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- KlayBorg, on 10/12/2007, -23/+155I loved Obamas reply. "If you are so concerned, send more troops into Iraq". Our current PM (John Howard) is a right wing moron, who is a lapdog for the republican party. It will be a great day when he is voted out, which given his current popularity, will be at the election this year. His opposition, Kevin Rudd, is the leader of the Australian Labor Party, which is like the Democrats of Australia. Hopefully both Rudd and Obama will win, and we can stop entering pointeless wars and start dealing with important issues, such as education, Health and the enviroment.
- AReallyGoodName, on 10/12/2007, -13/+94Damn Liberals.
(for those that don't get the joke, Australia's prime minister is a member of the Liberal party, a right wing party in Australia) - DanThePainter, on 10/12/2007, -15/+73Am I the only conservative with misgivings regarding John Howard's proclamation about Barack Obama? Howard, the Prime Minister of Australia and a great friend to the United States, wants to wage an aggressive war against al-Qaeda and radical Islamist terrorists. Australians have been brutally targeted twice in Bali, with hundreds of them dead from suicide bombers, and their proximity to Indonesia makes them well aware of the dangers of appeasement to Muslim extremists. However, I think Howard went too far today in involving himself in the next American election........>> more:
Even Our Friends Should Butt Out Of Our Politics
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/009138.php - jivatmanx, on 10/12/2007, -13/+56I have a lot of respect for Obama standing up for himself and telling it like it is. I don't want to see the next democratic candidate get all walked over by some asshats like the swift boat veterans.
On the other hand, attacks can be so absurd that they represent an opportunity to earn him good publicity. The prime minister here, probably the #2 supported of Bush's war, (behind blair) holds a tremendous responsibility for the increased terrorist strength in the middle east today, b/c of the war.
Obama has long held the correct stance: Completely disfavored the war, yet favored strong diplomatic, without ruling out military, actions against Iran.
Unfortunately we no longer have the credibility to involve other countries for diplomatic action, nor the military power to disable Iran.
@doctorfungi
"A lot of people over here don't want the war but we understand that the job needs to be done."
define "done" and the time, troops and money you think would reasonably acheive this goal - reticulate, on 10/12/2007, -3/+42Please note this man doesn't represent me or anyone I know.
We apologise for this rude interruption into your political process, and ask you to forget the funny dwarf with the eyebrows. - reticulate, on 10/12/2007, -3/+39He called a million anti-war protesters a 'mob'.
A million people. On the Harbour Bridge.
A ***** MOB?
We've only got 20 million people! - dailygringo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+39Howard's more concerned about the Australian elections around October this year, and the declining value of his 'special relationship' with Bush. An attack on Obama from him is really an indirect attack on the local opposition leader Rudd, who shares Obama's perspective on the war.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+46I agree. I have supported Howard in the past, but lately he is especially disingenuous and his reactionary nature is becoming more and more obvious to me. I won't support him again.
- KlayBorg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+34The UN? America? Britain? Australia?
Thats just such an ignorant statement, I think my head might explode. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33@unloud
I think it would really benefit the community here at Digg if you began following some kind of religion... - HeRarelySpeaks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25As an Aussie, I can say that our PM deserves the smackdown he got from people on both sides of US politics. On the upside, he's saying it because we've got an election at the end of the year, and he's getting slowly reamed by the new Opposition Leader (Kevin Rudd).
Hopefully we'll see the end of this smug little toad, and we won't be bothering you all with any further bouts of Prime Ministerial verbal diarrhoea from down under. Our apologies :) - drmatto, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27Howard has done this before (with Kerry), he is often a tool for Bush and the US republicans, it is an attempt by him to point out that Obama has little experience and can't deal with the other countries or foreign policy.
I wouldnt be surprised if this was planned outside Australia. Howard is just as much a war criminal as Bush and Blair. They are all trying to save each other. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+25some days it sucks being an aussie
- Twango, on 10/12/2007, -13/+30With friends like Howard, who needs enemas?
- giveaphuk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19FYI, in a recent poll posted by Australian newspaper, The Age, 89% of people surveyed disapproved of John Howard's comments..
I guess this just goes to show that Aussies & Americans have something in common, that being our governments actions going against the wishes of the people they were elected to serve. - redwire, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17And this didn't help Howard much, his loosing as preferred PM by 10% after these comments. Lets hope it stays that way.
- abbott75, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20We are right next door to Indonesia. We are very much in the reach of "terrorists". I am not in support of any anti-terror war, but I do not want and radical Indonesian burning down my house.
- thushan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19As a fellow aussie, I'd like to apologise to the american's for our PM's comments. We dont really like him either... but there's no better candidate (yet?) to replace him...
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"I would also note that we have close to 140,000 troops on the ground now, and my understanding is Mr Howard has deployed 1,400, so if he is (ready) to fight the good fight in Iraq, I would suggest that he calls up another 20,000 Australians and sends them to Iraq."
"Otherwise it's just a bunch of empty rhetoric," he added.
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Obama's a smart guy, i dont think our PM was quite expecting that.... pwned! - BeefBaron, on 10/12/2007, -8/+23Howard's approval rating is dropping a fair bit with the arrival of new opposition leader Kevin Rudd (who slammed Howard for the anti-Obama comments in todays Parliament session).
The elections are not too far away, hold onto your hats for a Ruddy good time Australia :) - paxmaniac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Why would Al-Qaeda want Obama to win? Bush and Howard's foreign policies have resulted in the greatest recruitment icon for Islamic extremism since the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. I'd say Osama is a Bush man all the way.
- TehChosen1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2769/image001tv6.jpg
That guy with the shirt on needs to be voted Australian of the year... - mobtek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Howard is merely trying to distract the australian public from his crap standing in the polls. Doesn't seem to be working though.
- Thex1138, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21John Howard's now a lame duck, Howard's End.
- Murdats, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15yes they do, unless you think america is the only somebody in the world
- orientis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14It was a million people across Australia, total. That's 1/20 of our entire population turning up to say NO.
- Viva43, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18(From the age)
(http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/02/12/1171128842139.html)
"Republican presidential candidate Duncan Hunter has defended Mr Howard.
"I think the Aussies have earned a right to comment on the world stage about their partner in this endeavour because they've been fighting side-by-side with us in Iraq," Congressman Hunter said."
I agree with that guy, the effects of internal American politics go way beyond American borders, it IS the worlds concern and he DOES have a right to comment.
"I would prefer that Mr Howard stay out of our domestic politics and we will stay out of his domestic politics," Texas Republican senator John Cornyn said.
Since when has the American government stayed out of OUR internal politics? I seem to remember quite a few examples of butting in from the 2004 Australian election.
Iraq is a disaster, but withdrawing now is stupid, we cant go in there, pull down a government and then leave to let them desend into civil war. Whether it was right to go in in the first place is no longer the point. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12@ Our Aussie friends:
We know what it's like having to put up with the lesser of two evils. It's all good ;) - LavaHot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15There are Indonesian terrorists? Man, life sucks everywhere.
- XTheEliminator, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14We're not that right wing. The majority of Australians have really only been voting with Howard because of his economic policies and a complete leadership vacuum from the other side of the house.
Kevin Rudd, and Howards little excursion into the Middle East has changed things some... - whichDan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14What has he done for us? Given our sovereignty to another nation, ignored human right and the environment, increased the disparity between the rich and the poor, lied and made us a target for what terrorist there might actually be.
Why does that deserve any respect? - the6thReplicant, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17To be honest, it's more of an insult to Australia's intelligence that he's been in power for so long (even more of an insult than for American's electing Bush twice - or not, you get the picture)
The guy was an utter failure during the Fraser years but somehow the scum floated to the top and he was elected PM. Unfortunately, he came right at the time Australia could have moved forward in the areas of our Constitution and Aboriginal affairs but instead stuck to a Menzie's like agenda.
Even though Keating was an arse he was a smart, power-hungry, ambitious arse, driving for Australia to be a world leader in social and political fields. Howard just wants everyone to believe things will get better, somehow, without debate or new ideas.
Ciao
Ciao - the6thReplicant, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I can break it down like this (without calling people names). I would love people to add arguments for the pro-war and withdrawal side.
These are what I can think of( while still at work)
Pro-war arguments:
1. Make OBL think they they have defeated a superpower...*again*, hence they are the chosen people and God is on *their* side
2. Show that the US made a mistake and question their whole foreign policy
3. Make US "irrelevant" in the diplomatic circles (US can never be irrelevant in the global stage, but they can sure be delegated from a power that leads to just another seat at the conference table)
4. The civil war will get worse (before it *may* get better)
5. How can you respect anyone that brings the bull into the china shop and refuses to clean up the mess it's done
Withdrawal side:
1. Show US can admit their mistakes and change course
2. Show US isn't driven by an ideological elite, and so the world can start talking to it again knowing that that they will now listen
3. Save US lives
4. Force OBL to think of new propaganda tools instead of depicting the US as an imperialist nation wanting to destroy Islamic states
5. Force Iraq to commit more to creating an efficient army and to secure it's borders
And then there's Iran's involvement with Iraq too.
Man, this is complicated. Of course, we should never of gone there in the first place, but we're not allowed to say that because it makes the pro-war body look like a stupid bunch...hold it, no name calling...whoops
Ciao - whichDan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13I sure hope so - 10 years is 10 years too long.
- Jaste, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Wow I don't remember there being a backlash like this at the last Aussie election when the US President spoke against Labor's policy in the last election:
"George Bush is not tiptoeing around the Australian foreign policy debate. Despite the risk of being accused of intervening in the domestic politics of a friendly nation, the US President has stated baldly his belief that Mark Latham's Iraq policy is wrong."
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/06/04/1086203625046.html
I guess what comes around goes around (not that I agree with either of them commenting on another countries internal politics). - orientis, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Our close neighbours are the exact reason we should never have joined in on this war. Imagine if, when the US came calling for back-up bullies, Australia flatly rejected joining in and instead focused on building stronger political and economic ties with Indonesia and the rest of South-East Asia. We'd be in a far better situation. I don't think we should have many trade ties with the US because frankly we don't need them. Our natural resources are sought-after everywhere and we don't want to be dragged down when the US behemoth falls.
- MewTwo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Damn, I felt that burn.
- Shizlanski, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Difference is US has 2.7 million troops, we have 50,000...
- Dewhead, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Nuke the red states? Why because you don't like the President? Grow up, *****.
- orientis, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12kloo that is a load of crap. We're still riding on the economic policies of former labor governments - now when Howard loses and the economy goes to ***** as a result of HIS policies, the Libs will blame it all on Labor. Talk about short-sightedness and short memories.
He's become popular through the same political tactics as the Republicans in the US - lies and disinformation. Remember last election? 'I promise, no interest rate rises." What happens the week after he's elected? The interest rates rise. Perhaps he forgot to mention the Federal Bank sets interest rates, not the government in power. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Howard and Bush won't be in power much longer.
I heard that they will both retire to Crawford and start a relationship that Laura Bush could never understand. - thushan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12dude wtf has johnny boy done for this country or for anyone living in this country?
Lets rewind a little...
John Howard in 1995 - "There's no way that a GST will ever be part of our policy. Never ever. It's dead. It was killed by the voters in the last election. Any suggestion that I left the door open is absolute nonsense. I didn't. I never will. The last election killed the GST. It's not part of our policy and it won't be part of our policy at any time in the future."
3 Years later, GST! Children Overboard Issue???
Other stuff found here:
http://chargejohnhoward.tripod.com/cgi-bin/chargeJohnHoward.pl?PageToOpen=15
@reticulate
amen brother...
If anything I bet Johnny's pal Bush just gave him a call and asked him to make a few comments on Obama if they want to continue their friendship - so fearing he'll have to return the cowboy gear he got when visiting Jnr's ranch in texas Johnny boy got talkin...
http://www.basta.no/lars/nyhetsbilder/john_howard.jpg - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Seriously, this stuff borders on comical. "If you don't vote republican, the terrorists will attack your family!" I don't doubt that, but the terrorists sure wouldn't be middle eastern if you catch my drift. Anthrax mailed to war critics anyone? The Project for a New American Century fascists need to go to hell and give up the conservative facade.
- Spoonicus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@paxmaniac
"Why would Al-Qaeda want Obama to win? Bush and Howard's foreign policies have resulted in the greatest recruitment icon for Islamic extremism since the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. I'd say Osama is a Bush man all the way."
That is the BEST point made this entire discussion, thank you. - deesnutz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Who wants to be that Fox News will be all over this and start slamming Obama again?
And as for the Australian's, I like their people. But their leader, like ours, is a *****.
Why is everyone so afraid of Barack Obama? Is it because he's the real deal? And that he is against this war-profiteering war? Wow, now even other heads of states are taking notice. Must tell you something about Barack Obama. Barack Obama for President in 2008! http://www.bobama.com - TehChosen1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11As an Aussie, ***** I hate howard. Most ignorant, arrogant and ugly looking prime minister.
Remember the time when he asked an asian student receiving an award where he came from even though he was told he was australian born.
Complete n00b. - XTheEliminator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7It wasn't 1,000,000, it was more in the vacinity of 190,000.
Still, in a city of 4,500,000 during a workday, that most certainly isn't a 'mob'. - the6thReplicant, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8let's not forget how bad he was in the Fraser government
(sorry, I've already said this but the guy was an idiot then and he's still and idiot)
Ciao - lua21, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10no but we are a neighbour of Indonesia actually making us closer to the Muslim world than the US. you should probably learn your geography buddy.
- esssee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6John Howard ......... a cowboy ........... Bahahahaha! The mental picture is hilarious.
- dime, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8...aaaaaaaaaaand the Crazy Train has just pulled into the station...
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