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- pintomp3, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16here's a better idea. fund the school's equally and give them the same resources. why punish the children of poor parents for the parents failure? they have it hard enough growing up in unstable homes surrounded by drugs and violence. then they go to overcrowded schools with very limited resources. is it any wonder the majority of the poor stay poor?
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11People should be allowed to chose their school districts REGARDLESS of their race. Restricting kids by race is RACIST.
- DavidYeah, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10And yes, you're right- it does remove racial considerations from public schools, and that on the surface seems like a good thing. But it places the segregation instead within the lines of the districts, instead. If the schools systems aren't artificially creating diverse environments, then district lines are instead artificially creating segretated environments. Don't pretend like racial considerations are just going away with this decision-- it just puts it into different hands.
- raisputin3, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I just always choose "Other" and write in HUMAN, which is the ONLY race of people on this planet.
- thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8As in where people chose to live? I know that when I was shopping for houses, the school district to which it belonged was a major factor in my search. And you're saying it's ok to negate my personal decision(and freedom) just because the school board thinks a classroom needs to have more minorities in it?
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Asians don't get any special treatment, and they succeed. STOP using the crutch of racism, and get involved with your kids education.
- DavidYeah, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5As the article mentions, a conservartive judge from the 9th district said the following of the public school plans for racial integration:
UPDATE VII: Roberts’s classification of the integration plans as “discrimination on the basis of race” is directly contradicted by well-respected conservative Judge Alex Kozinski, who wrote in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals opinion of the case that:
"The plan does not segregate the races; to the contrary, it seeks to promote integration. There is no attempt to give members of particular races political power based on skin color. There is no competition between the races, and no race is given a preference over another. That a student is denied the school of his choice may be disappointing, but it carries no racial stigma and says nothing at all about that individual’s aptitude or ability." - ViperDaimao, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Kozinkski is one of my favorite judges, what other judge was on the Love Connection? If you ask me, they both make good points. This isn't a cut or dry, right or wrong issue, each side has points, but then that doesn't play to the liberal or conservative blog base much does it?
- trghpy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7You're using too much logic for old white rich guys to understand.
- Kles, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5For the love of whatever deity you believe in, can we PLEASE stop using "BREAKING" on stories that absolutely are far from it?
- shiftt, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Buried for unnecessarily sensationalist title.
- jeffiek, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”
How many decades has it taken for the Supreme Court to figure that out? - thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3And how much would it cost to replace the existing fleet of buses?
- cactus476, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Limits aren't good enough, I want them abolished.
- thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7So you're saying that you want to override the parents' wishes because you find them bigoted and paranoid?
And while you brought up the kids on buses thing... How much more fuel are the buses going to use running convoluted routes that will move children to schools far outside of their district? How much more tax money is going to be required so that you can have your perfect world of racially integrated classrooms? I went to a school where I was a minority as a white guy. Did that affect me? No. Do I think pompous airbags like yourself need to stop trying to be a nanny? YES - cjdunn, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3From Update II:"a key study by University of Wisconsin professor Douglas Harris, using empirical data gathered from No Child Left Behind, shows that desegregation remains the most effective way of closing this gap:
– African Americans and Hispanics learn more in integrated schools. Minorities attending integrated schools also perform better in college attendance and employment.
– Controlled choice and other forms of desegregation benefit minority students.
– Racial integration is a rare case where an educational policy appears to improve educational equity at little financial cost." - Conwaysb0718, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2dont forget "mochaccino"
- Conwaysb0718, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Go take a shower hippie.
- thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Race and culture are NOT one and the same.
- DavidYeah, on 10/11/2007, -6/+7Finally, whites will be able to move away from areas with blacks in them so their kids can go to dominantly white schools, and put their bigotry and paranoia behind the veil of their seperated districts, thus recreating the segregated schools we had in the first half of the 20th century. Only now it will be done on with reference to "distrcts" as opposed to state sponsored segretation-- this somehow feels less racist.
In my opinion, that's six of one, half a dozen of the other. But don't you right wingers attempt to see the full context of this decision or anything-- it's just kids on buses, right? - XombieRobot, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Because of my half white/Latino mix, whenever I filled out one of those surveys or questionnaires, It never had a place for "halfies", "oreo's", "twinkies", "mulatto's", or even more than one choice, so now, because of any affirmative action BS, I always choose Hispanic
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Or you could skip the mass slaughterings and just do that last step you were talking about.
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Checks and balances.
- hbweb500, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1This limited the use of *race*. The problem with public education that we are speaking of here often is mistaken for race, when it can be more appropriately be attributed to location. Think about it: inner city schools have a great number of minority students, and are usually subpar when it comes to education.
So instead of school districts saying "lets move the black children to the suburban schools" they will say "lets move the inner city students to the suburban schools." The wording will change, thats it. - SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Learning in school takes more than going to classes and listening to teachers. It takes PARENTS taking interest in their kids' learning. It takes PARENTS to drive their kids for success.
Kids from families where the parents don't give a ***** about education are less likely to even TRY to learn in school. - Akaji, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Please tell me this means that Affirmative Action is going away soon. AA is the most likely thing that we currently have that could convince white men to be racist and sexist.
- lived666, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Just wait, one of them is going to ask
Why should I have to pay for the poor kids' education? - Hananda, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2That's workable for public schools, sure. But once more of the middle class moves its children into private schools to get the level of education they were getting before tax dollars started getting pumped into poor schools, aren't you back where you started?
Edit: Didn't think of the mandatory taxation, can't think of anything worthwhile to say, go ahead and bury. - Akaji, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Actually, it could be argued that race (specifically, Asian culture) is what allows Asians to succeed. However, the only reason that other minorities may fail is that they do try to use race as a crutch, and that's a crutch that can't carry you very far.
- SampaChic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0after you, racist
- fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2"Submitted: 11 hours 23 min ago"
Not quite "BREAKING", is it? - geminitojanus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3This is about PUBLIC schools not PRIVATE schools. If you want to send your kid to an All White, All Blonde haired, Blue eyes school, feel free. But public schools should be balanced to prevent artificial segregation. Let's break down how segregated school districts suck for those who are in them:
Schools pay their teachers based on how much money they get from the state in order to do so. The state decides how much money each district gets by how well the students in that district are performing. When people have the ability to go looking for schools (the financial means), they will pick the district with the highest scores, and the one with the lowest scores will end up being devoid of not only good scoring students, but of well paid teachers (because the scores are too low), and the only people who will stay in those schools are the people who can't afford to go anywhere else.
Where it turns into racism is the fact black people, as a whole, are more impoverished than white, which means the schools with the lower scores are going to have a higher concentration of black students, and that's not fair to the kids who would do well if their school could challenge them.
It's a nasty situation any way you want to cut it. Either a) prevent the states from partitioning the districts to level out score disparities, or b) prevent pupils from maximizing their educational possibilities.
All of this, however, shows off just how bad the school systems in America are set up in the first place. Those students who have the ability to excel are never given the outright chance to excel because the schools are slowing them down. Students barely have the choice of what they want to get out of their education, let alone the schools they are in and the teachers that teach them. And trust me, I've been there; I grew up in Kentucky, went through the school systems there; it wasn't easy, it was boring and almost nothing got taught. Those whose parents had the financial means put them in the Magnet schools or Lexington Catholic, and the rest of the kids were left out to suffer in constantly overfilled (33+ students) classrooms of the County schools. [IIRC, at one point one of my classrooms had 41 students to one teacher; they didn't even have desks for all of the kids].
I'm not saying the Supreme Court's ruling is necessarily the wrong one, but I am saying that we should look at the problem more critically before jumping to conclusions and pulling out words like "Personal Freedom" into a economical-sociological problem. We're looking to best serve the largest amount of people possible and not exclude anyone. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Please tell me you're kidding.
- PATSCRU, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1David's right, this blows open the door for such practices as blockbusting and racial covenants.
- Renton, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1OMFSM, I know what you mean. It's really getting annoying.
- SampaChic, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1well.... how many years does it take to get new judges in the Supreme Court? Explain again why they stay there as long as they want?
- Hortnon, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2I stopped reading when you made the Nazi reference.
- DavidYeah, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2So you're saying that you want to override the parents' wishes because you find them
bigoted and paranoid?
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As someone who is against bigotry, yes. I'm sorry if they find having blacks in their school to being so awful. I'm not going to sit back and be an enabler of bigotry. But at least, for future reference, I know you're in the pro-bigotry category.
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And while you brought up the kids on buses thing... How much more fuel are the buses going to use running convoluted routes that will move children to schools far outside of their district?
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I can't tell if you're concerned for the environment or not. If you are, I bet there's a pro-electric vehicles post somewhere on this site-- why are you misplacing your frustration for wasted gas in a thread about segregation?
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How much more tax money is going to be required so that you can have your perfect world of racially integrated classrooms?
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Electric vehicles would cost a fraction of the cost of gas. Once again, your concern is misplaced in this thread.
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I went to a school where I was a minority as a white guy. Did that affect me? No. Do I think pompous airbags like yourself need to stop trying to be a nanny? YES
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And everyone's experience is EXACTLY like yours, it's true. - SampaChic, on 10/11/2007, -4/+0Kill the blacks.
Kill the yellows
Kill the reds.
Kill the whites and kill everyone that has a color until we live in a society where we see people by who they are instead of their color - thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -13/+6So.... How is this going to be turned against Bush for putting 2 "right-wing" judges on the court?
Oh, there it is... It hinders the school's ability to maintain racial diversity....
A ruling that removes racial considerations from public schools and it's a bad thing! - BushOwnzLibs, on 10/11/2007, -9/+1Douglas Harris argues that busing white kids because of the color of their skin to prodominately black schools makes sense. This proves that we need to keep racial profiling because it works.
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