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- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -11/+188About ***** Time....Hang The Bastard!
- mauiwowi, on 10/11/2007, -8/+163I think most states have laws against executing the retarded. I could be wrong tho "I don't recall"
- rasterbator, on 10/11/2007, -6/+124"Senators Call For No-Confidence Vote"
Oh, that is so Star Wars. - edverb, on 10/11/2007, -3/+63@eicos: /// but Congress has about as much ability to expel a sitting Attorney General against the president's will as the president has to change the procedural rules of the Senate. In other words, none.///
That's incorrect. Congress may impeach any civil officer of the United States, including the Attorney General. It requires a bare majority in the House (which you can be assured, would pass), followed by a Senate trial with conviction and removal requiring a two thirds supermajority.
This "no-confidence" vote is a precursor to impeachment. It expresses the will of the Congress, and forces elected officials (really though...the only ones who are being "forced" are Republicans) to publicly state whether or not they support Gonzales.
If two-thirds of the Senate vote "no confidence", he will be given a choice: resign now or face impeachment and removal from office. If on the other hand the Republicans circle the wagons and stand by Gonzales -- they become implicated in his wrongdoing. I doubt they'd stand by him -- many of the staunchest conservatives have already called for his resignation. But still....pick your poison. - deltree, on 10/11/2007, -8/+53BREAKING: adding these captions to your titles is ridiculous and unnecessary
- swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -5/+50About ***** time. But is a vote of no-confidence non-binding?
- dosterm, on 10/11/2007, -2/+45@rasterbator
So this is how Gonzales goes to jail... to thunderous applause. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+42"Whether it was the torture memo, whether it’s Guantanamo, whether it’s Geneva Convention, whether it’s U.S. Attorneys, whether it’s I don’t know I can’t recall, a department as major as this, I don’t think the American people are well served"
Gonzales got pwned when she mentioned "I can't recall." - swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -5/+39...its non-binding. You got my hopes up for nothing.
- openaddy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+35He doesn't recall, and he's already made his deputy the scapegoat. Now he just has to sit back until some D-list celebrity dies a curious death or drops her baby or something to distract everyone, and it'll all blow over. :-/
- ngageguy, on 10/11/2007, -5/+36"I nominate Senator Palpatine, the Senator from Naboo!"
- InfamousAtheist, on 10/11/2007, -4/+30Someone needs to take action. The longer our elected officials let this asshat continue to remain in office and ignore the charges against him, the longer we, the American people, will suffer an AG who places the president's interests ahead of ours.
I would like to see his replacement indict him for any number of crimes. - Artifez, on 10/11/2007, -3/+28What are they going to do with it? Write all their names on it and wave it at him? FFS it means nothing other then "Hey, were mad at you." I'm unimpressed until he is out.
- Konrad9, on 10/11/2007, -3/+27Nostoppingus, what would you prefer?
For them to ignore politically motivated firings?
For them to ignore economically motivated actions at all levels of the administration?
It'd be much better if they just sat by and let these people take advantage of their positions. : | - VANOS, on 10/11/2007, -3/+26I still love the nearly full page ad ALL of his Harvard classmates put in the Washington Post. Imagine just how much of a ***** you have to be to have those people using their time (which I imagine is billed out in massive amounts of money per hour) to print a letter to him in a widely distributed newspaper in order to remind him of his roots.
Sad that the reminder was necessary. I'm an attorney, and all I can really say about him is that he perverts the intention of the Constitution so violently that it sickens me to the point of utter disgust and disbelief. I'm sure the framers of the Constitution would have an ever more bitter reaction to his "reading" of the Constitution.
Those who think Bush is the biggest threat to privacy might want to put GW as #2 on the list behind this man.
But, hey, wiretapping is necessary to prevent terrorist attacks, right? In what section of the Constitution says that "all rights hereunder shall be subordinate to the War on Terror?"
I see no such section, and every time that crap is used as the scapegoat for raping our Constitutionally GUARANTEED freedoms, I get a little sicker. I really wish reality played more of a part in the governing of these united STATES, as that is what this country was meant to be... a union of SOVEREIGN STATES, not a Federal Bureaucracy of Unlimited Power.
My votes will continue to be placed with those who hold similar ideals, if such candidates exist. Now to convince the other 100+ million to quit thinking the entire political system can be made up of two parties... but, I digress...
He should step down now, and we should demand it. - edverb, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22@squeaker: //Do you have a source on that? I want to know how this process works.//
The source is the US Constitution. The power of impeachment extends not only to the President and Vice President, but to "all civil officers of the United States".
ARTICLE II, Sec. 4: "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
The process is also laid out in the Constitution (the basics anyway)...
Article I, Section 2 Clause 5: The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
Article I, Section 3 Clause 6: The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
There's a lot of good info on Wikipedia (about who is "an officer of the US", who presides over impeachment trials, the "bare majority" in the House to impeach, and other things). link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment#United_States
Here's a page on who has been impeached (two presidents, several judges and other officials including a Senator): http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h231.html - Eicos, on 10/11/2007, -3/+23Open, you are right. I weep for America.
- EntropyMan, on 10/11/2007, -2/+18Senator Palpatine is from Connecticut.
- UrbanVoyeur, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16The Constitution has a great system for expressing "no confidence" - it's called Impeachment.
Congress should use it. Gonzales was confirmed by the Senate, so he can be impeached.
In the absence of a parliamentary form of government, no confidence votes are pointless. - EntropyMan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14It's not a waste of time. Read edverb's explanation (below) of how things actually work.
- dohidied, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14Great, just what we need. Attorney General Palpatine.
- metalhead3767, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14Why hasn't anything happened already?
- Buelldozer, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12People blindly voting the party line as a reaction to the last party in office is what got us INTO this mess! Now you want to perpetuate the error? Stop voting the party and start voting for the INDIVIDUAL.
- edverb, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11sorry Squeaker...I should add that the "no confidence" mechanism would be via "Sense of the Senate" resolution. If you search Thomas.loc.gov for "sense of the Senate" or watch C-SPAN, you'll see the two houses doing this all the time...it's a non-binding opinion of the majority of members present.
Oftentimes the resolutions contain frivolities, stuff that is not essential to governance but nice to see -- congratulating winning sports teams for example. Sometimes they're expressing solidarity with some oppressed nation somewhere -- one recently passed resolution was "Expressing the sense of the Senate on efforts to control violence and strengthen the rule of law in Guatemala." Sometimes it reflects the opinion of the Senate that a particular week should have a designation, like "National Meth Awareness Week".
This one would be "(e)xpressing the sense of the Senate that" ("we have no confidence in AG Gonzales and the President should demand his resignation" or whatever language they'd decide upon). Then all the present members would vote, and they'd know what the floor count on impeachment would be, more or less. Those who vote against it would have to explain it to their constituents come election time. - snockhockster, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11@lostknight1
a) You might wanna inform United States Secretary of State Dean Acheson of that.
b) If you want to discuss the matter, at least have the courtesy to do so in an intellectually honest fashion. Comparing a customary changing of the guard with the inauguration of a new president is hardly comparable to eliminating non political appointments for political purposes (ie. not performance related) mid-second term.
More to the point, as the investigation continues, it further exposes the mockery the current administration is making of our Executive and Judicial branches with their disregard of law and precedent.
How anyone can find Gonzalez' testimonies anything but laughable and frightening, regardless of party affiliation, is beyond me. - diecastbeatdown, on 10/11/2007, -6/+16wow, you all fell for it?
i guess the whole scape goat thing really does work.
maybe this enthusiasm should be put into punishing the real guilty parties - president, vice president. - SickMonkey, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Gonzo's worst crime was going to Ashcroft's hospital room (when he was in critical condition and on morphine) to try to get him to sign off on expanded domestic spying when the Justice Department had already stated its opinion that it was clearly unconstitutional. Even Ashcroft refused to sign, but Gonzo still authorized the spying despite the fact that everyone in the Justice Department (from top to bottom) said it was illegal.
Gonzo shouldn't just receive a vote of no confidence, he should be impeached and imprisoned for treason! - smithco, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Edverb, thanks for the explanation. The American no confidence vote is certainly quite different than the no confidence votes of other countries. In most places, a no confidence vote dissolves a government. It makes the headline quite confusing for those of us not familiar with the inner workings of the American system.
- IADTatami, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11BREAKING: ii electric boogaloo
- DiscoLando, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8First Chancellor Valorum, and now this? Has the galaxy gone mad?
- MioTheGreat, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Maybe digg needs a filter. If a story tirle starts with "BREAKING", do a simple string.replace("BREAKING", "OLD NEWS") if the story is more than 2 hours old.
- Daedalus81, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9YOU can take action. Write you senator.
- edverb, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8@lostknight: ///a) There is no such thing as a no-confidence vote. Never has been in US politics. Never will be.///
It's called a "sense of the Senate" resolution.
link: http://www.c-span.org/guide/congress/glossary/sensesen.htm - perhapsimcrazy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Question: who's next?
- breadie81, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Time to go, bush yes-man..
- villageatheist, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7are we related?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -19/+24Que?
- fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7That's more like it.
- Eicos, on 10/11/2007, -6/+11A no-confidence motion is nice, but Congress has about as much ability to expel a sitting Attorney General against the president's will as the president has to change the procedural rules of the Senate. In other words, none.
- snockhockster, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6It will be interesting to see what they can determine about the Ashcroft beside visit.
From the sounds of it, Bush knowingly broke the law and was knowingly trying to subvert the the law by having his lackeys try to coerce a sick man into signing off on a plan he had already rejected (not to mention didn't have the authority at the time). If that's not impeachable, what is?
He only reversed his "stay the course" attitude to avoid the embarrassment of mass resignations. - iofthestorm, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Especially considering that since this story was submitted 7 hours ago, by now it's most definitely not BREAKING... And they could at the very least, put it in normal capitalization instead of that horrendous BREAKING-ness.
- totorototoro, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7are you crazy? that dude has a shotgun. Last guy who brought it up got shot in the face, and had to apologize.
- jm9206755, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Most thinkprogress submissions link to videos of actual events and have transcripts of what is said in them. Are you accusing them of somehow staging these? Try again and this time actually address the contents of what is said instead of shooting the messenger. Right now you just look stupid.
- UrbanVoyeur, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Not true. It's called Impeachment. Any elected or congressionally confirmed member of the executive branch can be removed from office by impeachment.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Twilight of the neocons.
- CourtesyFlush, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Unfortunately, empty symbolism is a valid substitute for real action for a great number of people.
- yujie, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5how bout no confidence on cheney?
- dragoth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Can we call for a no-confidence vote on everyone in the White House?
- CourtesyFlush, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I cast a "no confidence" vote for Congress as well.
With an approval rating of 29%, they'd better do more than showboat with meaningless symbolic gestures.
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27589 - obliviousfool, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/17/fired.prosecutors/index.html
Did you try going to cnn.com and typing "no confidence" in the search bar? -
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