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- AndyO3000, on 10/11/2007, -3/+109Yes, let's return honor to our nation.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -1/+45Yay for something that shouldn't have been needed in the first place!
- SpookyET, on 10/11/2007, -0/+40Yes, but will it pass?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+34this sounds too good to be true, we need to watch this carefully. these things arent always what they sound like
- Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -0/+27Uh... *what*?
Habeas Corpus and due process applies to ALL PERSONS. It says so literally in the Constitution, and plenty of precedence since has established that it doesn't matter if someone's a US citizen or not so long as they are under US jurisdiction. (Yes, that includes Guantanamo.) - ConfusedONE, on 10/11/2007, -0/+23Hopefully so, but more importantly: Will it blend?
I kid I kid. But in all seriousness, It's up to the other side of the house if they are willing to play nice so that we can have our rights back again. - Urusai, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23Habeas corpus can't be "restored", since it was always in the Constitution and illegal laws can't take it away. What a mockery of jurisprudence this government has made. ***** 'em all.
- psygnisfive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18Maybe we should, you know.. just enforce the CURRENT legislation on Habeas Corpus..
- mancat, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19It will fail the instant that the average voter is convinced that "terrorists will be set free," which will probably happen the very first time they're told about it on their favorite cable news channel.
The same people that support the war effort are most likely of the mindset that, if people are imprisoned there in the first place, there must have been a good reason for doing so. Effectively, they're no less than guilty in their minds. - PhilMoskowitz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13Your redemption should start with restoring habeas and end with Cheney being airlifted to The Hague.
- MasterThief117, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Finally, they are starting to understand that you cannot spread democracy when your own country is loosing it.
If this is not passed, I will leave this country and denounce my citizenship. - ksosez, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12The problem is the republicans, it will pass, the democrats have the majority but Bush will veto. Its all up to the republicans, will they side with the Democrats to override the veto (unlikely). If not, we wait 2 years till a democratic president (hopefully).
- jgzman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9If we deny this right to anyone, anyone at all, then we deny it to everyone. I'm not just spouting slogans, either.
First, Habeas Corpus means that I have the right to argue that I don't belong in prison. Note that: just the right to argue, to make the claim.
Suppose we deny Habeas Corpus to any particular group, let's say the Denebians. That's fine, you aren't a Denebian. But suppose that I say that you are a Denebian, and lock you up. What now? You can't say that you are not a Denebian; I said that you are, and Denebians are not allowed to argue the point. If we allow you to argue that you are not a Denebian, then you are exercising your right of Habeas Corpus.
QED - if we deny Habeas Corpus to anyone, we deny it to everyone. - roadtrippy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9It's nice to see even just a little bit of sanity returning to our government.
- mancat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9I don't know? You tell me.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Don't worry... Bush'll veto it.
- dukeeeey, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10actually bush ***** all over the constitution
the patriot act means they can lock you up.. no trial
no chance of bail etc - Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8I don't see what the big deal is about letting our judicial system deal with these guys. We've incarcerated over 2 million of our own people.
I guess it's the mostly that the charges they've locked a lot of these "illegal combatant" guys up on (if they've even bothered to charge them) are based on ***** and they don't want that demonstrated in greater detail. - knomevol, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7all men are created equal, this truth is self-evident.
- laserblazer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Hey, we're getting habeas corpus! Yes! We earned it!
I'm off to check my choco ration futures! I bet they're up, too! - Insightful, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7He can't. The answer is zero. You know how government hyped up Padilla, Miami, Fort Dix terrorists who hate you for your freedom and will eat your babies? If they actually caught someone on the battlefield who was released from Gitmo, you bet Fox will drop its Paris Hilton coverage and go 24/7 on war on terror blah blah. Republicans = fearmongers.
- laserblazer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6+1 agree 100% A+++++++ good poster would read again
- OneAndOnlySnob, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Who's this mysterious Ron Paul guy? His name sounds so familiar, as if I've heard it over a million times in the past couple of months, yet I cannot place a face with this name!
- Arbus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6This man is a smart man. This jgz man.
- rdoger6424, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6no, it would end with the next VP taking cheney on a quail hunting excursion
- daonlyfreez, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Good thinking, too bad the U.S. doesn't recognize the International Court in The Hague, there's something else that needs to be restored...
- fantasticFlan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Not if the President obeys his oath, however...
- Xeth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Human rights and democracy and different concepts, though they do work together nicely.
/pedant - Xeth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Oh come on, that was funny!
- datenshi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5D-MS? What? Ike Skelton is D-MO. Wow, for once I can be proud of something somebody in Missouri did. That doesn't happen too often.
- Jordan117, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5"I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies ... and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States."
Mutually exclusive, no? - Egoist, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I take it that you've never actually read the constitution. In the same paragraph where the right of habeas corpus is given, it is also written that the President has the right to take it away in certain circumstances. So yes, it can be "restored" just like it was restored after the Civil War.
- TeatimeGrommit, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4At which point the Republicans have to vote with the 26% that approve of Bush and against the 74% that don't. This President is going to have a veto overturned, or he'll start signing some surprising bills into law.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Double plus good!
- rdoger6424, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Two-thirds majority in congress overrides a presidential veto.
The founding fathers really planned ahead - Tsen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4By the way, you look like a real dick when you post your website's url in all your posts.
- boobees, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5John Conyers makes me proud to be from Michigan. Where all the other Congressmen at?
- Yage2006, on 10/11/2007, -5/+9Nice. Sad though that your emperor will simply veto it along with whatever else he don't like.
Nice try though keep it up. - Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Look, we're REALLY sorry about the Ashcroft thing. Had we known he would have been appointed AG, we probably wouldn't have voted for his opponent, the corpse.
And at least he showed SOME measure of sanity when they tried to strong-arm him in the hospital. It almost makes up for the blue curtains in front of the statues and all the unconstitutional stuff he supported. - Karmalary, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Well we sure can't be too proud of our governor, the RIAA contribution grabbing prick.
- tidu, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5And another note, suspension of habeas corpus isn't unconstitutional, since it is described as a "privilege" in the Constitution. So it means it's up for interpretation. But it should definately be a right, though...
And yes, our Constitution regards all people and guarantees their life, liberty, happiness. Not just us. - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 08/11/2008, -3/+6Would digg this down because of this moron's use of BREAKING, but this is good enough news to let this MORON off with a warning. :)
- enlightenme, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4It would be hilarious if they successfully sued our government for civil damages.
- darkmule, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Silly joe..
I think you're thinking back to the days when the Office of the Vice President was actually part of the executive branch. - knomevol, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3yeah, you'd think things would be a lot different when the military is swearing an oath to the Constitution:
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God. - tkdguy89, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I'd like to mention being from Missouri, Ike Skelton would be representing Missouri not Mississippi.
- rdoger6424, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4It would be AMERICAN if they successfully sued our government for civil damages.
- robdiggity, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"this sounds too good to be true, we need to WATCH this carefully. these things arent always what they SOUND like"
Were you in Ghostbusters?
BTW, I would have loved to have been able to reply to your post directly... but well... you know... - elsJake, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3And at this point they just do mock trials for everyone they have and execute 'em ... no need to release anybody.
- raddlog, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Ike Skelton born December 20, 1931
He-Man and the Masters of the Universe 1983
That made him 52 years old before anyone knew who Skeletor was. Ike Skelton is a good man, and you are a dumbass. -
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