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- mtnmusicman, on 11/08/2008, -120/+1437The Mormon Church was invented by a guy in 1830s that said he found golden plates by his house in New York. He decided that a man could marry 12 and 13 year old girls, and have as many wives as he pleased. And why should these people have any say in how another human being runs their life. I really don't think a gay couple is going to intrude on their lifestyle, so why do they feel God gave them the right to intrude on others? No sense to me....Sorry
- nosecohn, on 11/09/2008, -20/+292More to the point, the Mormons themselves endured decades of legal battles and extreme persecution as a result of the US government's determination to tell THEM who they could and could not marry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmunds_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmunds-Tucker_Act - charm803, on 11/08/2008, -89/+342"Bob Malone, CEO and president of the Park City Chamber of Commerce and Visitors Bureau, said it is unfair to try to punish certain industries or parts of the state over an issue it had nothing to do with."
Tell that to the Mormons! Their fake religion can kiss my FSM's meatballs! - inactive, on 11/09/2008, -20/+265I live in Salt Lake City, Utah and I'm an atheist.
60% of SLC is NOT Mormon. The rest of Utah is mostly Mormon. When people visit Utah they mainly visit SLC and Park City which is mostly not Mormon.
The ski resorts and Sundance film festival is mainly ran by non-Mormon liberals so it doesn't make much sense to boycott those things. Other than those, why the hell else would anyone come to Utah? - inactive, on 11/09/2008, -17/+179There's actually Mormons in every state in America, I suggest a boycott of all America, and immediately moving out of America. I highly suggest this. In the name of progress.
- Demonbird, on 11/09/2008, -11/+156I've met quite a few Mormons in my life, and what I have found is that while I disagree with their religion, they are incredibly nice people. They were totally fine with my point of view and were always ready and willing to help us out.
The way to try and convince Mormons to open up on homosexuality is not to go after them tooth and nail, but to be as friendly to them as possible.
Also, don't blame Utah when it was us, California, who shot it down. - JenniferInMO, on 11/09/2008, -93/+228I think boycotting Utah is a good idea. While it may not be fair to others in Utah, the vast majority of the population is Mormon and SLC is their religious HQ. I suggest putting pressure on the Sundance to cancel the film festival for next year.
- ColRanger, on 11/09/2008, -78/+207BOYCOTT, you better believe it. They let the church mix with the state.
- SRSco, on 11/09/2008, -42/+151As a Utahn who would have voted against 8 if I had lived in California, I have to say this boycott Utah stuff is utter nonsense. The Sundance Film Festival takes place in Park City and Salt Lake City. Boycotting the festival would impact the economies of cities very in favor of equal rights for gay citizens. Salt Lake City and Park City have pretty progressive tolerant populations where Mormons are a minority. It is the suburbs of SLC and the rest of the state where you will find large numbers of Mormons. Film festivals are also there to benefit the stereotypical liberal Hollywood crowd. A mass organized boycott of Sundance wouldn't have the impact on the people you want it to.
Perhaps you should also look into boycotting black Californians, since 69% of them voted for 8. That'd do as much help as this boycott Utah nonsense. - michelsonmorley, on 11/09/2008, -20/+117I realize I'm in the minority here, but that's ridiculous.
This will not change anything with the Mormon church.
Sure, it may have 1 million members in Utah, but there are another 12 million outside of Utah. The people who live in Park City or who run Sundance or the ski resorts are typically not Mormon. Most Mormons don't profit from the tourism, even in Utah.
And I'm pretty sure it won't change who visits Utah, since those who visit Utah do so because of all the national parks, regardless of the major religion. - rascap, on 11/08/2008, -77/+172At the following site you can report the Mormon church fro breaking the church/state laws:
http://lds501c3.wordpress.com/ - inactive, on 11/09/2008, -22/+112Dum-dum-dumb...
- schnikies79, on 11/09/2008, -16/+103Why not boycott California? They are the ones who voted for it.
Take some responsibility. - binky79, on 11/09/2008, -18/+105Hold on a sec... We want to punish them for an aggressive get-out-the-vote campaign? Maybe I'm confused but isn't that a good thing? We (liberals) can't be mad at conservatives for suppressing the vote and getting out the vote too.
- booksnmore4you, on 11/09/2008, -1/+78And the government DID restrict their "right" to polygamy.
- mmittimm, on 11/09/2008, -27/+100Some Mormons came to our door once when I was in college and gave us some pamphlets and a little copy of the Book of Mormon. It was printed on really thin material that made for excellent rolling papers.
- thinkart, on 11/09/2008, -5/+72that's what people said about interracial marriage too.
- phatsi, on 11/09/2008, -3/+64Hmmm. I know the LDS church put in an obscene amount of money towards getting Prop 8 passed (yes I live in CA and voted no) but I don't think this is really about the LDS church and Utah but more about race and religion in general. If you actually look at the exit polls (this is just one example http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#CA ... then you will see that white people actually voted no just slightly more than yes. Anyone who knows anything about the Mormon church knows that it is about 85% white. People forget about the strange ways that the black and Latino population are conservative in that they voted for Obama in huge numbers in CA but yes on Prop 8 more often than not. If you guys think the Mormon church is the only one that teaches that same sex marriage is a no no then you are blind. As for the Mormon church being fake and or made up and based on some magic book... well that is pretty much how I feel about all religion, but that's just me.
California has become an odd state for politics in general over the last 8 years. I know everyone thinks of it as an uber liberal state but this is the same state that voted in favor of an illegal recall election for gov. a few years ago and voted in a hardcore repub celebrity to the office.... - jimchap, on 11/09/2008, -78/+138Mormons are as crazy as it gets. They are Fundamentalists with money and they are nuts.
- stonecircle, on 06/11/2009, -35/+94I don't believe a boycott of the film festival is the way to go. We have a successful film festival here in Traverse City, and it seems to be the place to bolster and unite the Progressives. In fact, the first year, a right-wing Christian group tried to upstage and compete with Michael Moore, and have their own "family values" film festival at the exact same time. Despite loads of media press about the event (especially because they were fighting Michael Moore), they had less than 100 in attendance at their "annual" film festival which died the first year. Traverse City Film Festival had 50,000 in attendance, which is pretty impressive for their first year. Turn Sundance into a mouthpiece for people's rights, work with the film festival. Many of the folks that attend these events are going to be sympathetic to the people wanting to make a statement. I would think a better approach would be to contact the founders and board of directors to see if they'd work with these folks to further their cause, rather than using the boycott to make a statement.
- vault, on 11/09/2008, -31/+89Some Mormons are opposed to gay marriage, therefore you are boycotting the entire state of Utah which includes the ones who don't and non-Mormons? What kind of progressive tolerance is that?
- JenniferInMO, on 11/08/2008, -5/+62It is in Sundance, Utah
- bythewar, on 11/09/2008, -11/+65Yeah, but in reality, Mormons don't care about polygamy much any more. All they do is roll their eyes when others mention it. To them it's dead.
- anarchyinthekr, on 11/09/2008, -1/+54you made the most important point: the ski industry and sundance are the few parts of the utah economy that are not controlled by mormons!
- PxCxG, on 11/09/2008, -16/+67"it is "disturbing" that the church is being singled out for exercising its right to speak up in a free election."
This statement couldn't be more true. These protesters (and all of you jumping on the bandwagon) should be ashamed for trying to bully people for exercising the most fundamental right we have in this country. If you don't like the outcome of the vote, then you should get a proposition on the next ballot to try and change the law. - pennvneff, on 11/09/2008, -26/+76What's the bigger ***** cult operating in the US today? The Mormon Church of the Scientology Church?
Who is the bigger fraud? Brigham Young or L. Ron Hubbard? - TheBadWolf, on 11/09/2008, -5/+54Another Utahn here. Just want to confirm some things that have been said. Sundance is primarily a Salt Lake City/Park City thing, which are the two massive blue dots in an otherwise red state. Boycotting these cities will only hurt the people who were most likely to be against proposition 8. I also agree wholeheartedly with schnikies79, the citizens of Utah didn't vote in California's election. Sure, the Mormon church tried to help push the bill in California, but why punish innocent people because their neighbors don't support something that they weren't even allowed to vote on?
- inactive, on 11/09/2008, -4/+49I think Scientology edges the Morons by a few points due to the fact that it is a pay to play cult.
- amoro99, on 11/09/2008, -7/+50The main focus is going to be going after the Utah brand," he said. "At this point, honestly, we're going to destroy the Utah brand. It is a hate state."
Seems like the hate state here is California - Branchex, on 11/09/2008, -7/+50This is foolish, not everyone in Utah is Mormon and not all Mormons live in Utah. So basically you will harm some innocent people while letting some you wish to target to get off scott-free. That is not justice.
- rendersan, on 11/09/2008, -19/+61On the tax issue, don't forget that the Mormon church had *no control at all* over how much money its membership decided to donate to the proposition. Did the church involve itself in politics? Yes, but no differently than any other church did. That individual Mormons responded with an outrageous amount of money cannot be attributed to the larger church.
But by all means, continue ignoring and failing to address the real reasons why the proposition passed, and ignore the demographics of the voters and don't poll them to find out their motivations so that you can create a platform for a counter-initiative and get popular sympathy for your cause. Just pick the biggest scapegoat possible, concoct a doomed plan to get back at them through tax law, and assemble a mob to vandalize their property. So the Utah church donated no money of their own but took a position on the issue and California residents donated money in amounts beyond the control of the church to a campaign in their own state that was not run by their church? Sounds like a conspiracy to me. To arms! - carpeclunes, on 11/09/2008, -9/+50I'm pretty sure the Bible is just as easily refuted.
- JenniferInMO, on 11/08/2008, -9/+50A voter may not pay attention to a canvasser, but their money sure buys a lot of advertising, organizing and propaganda. They poured millions into California to support Prop. 8.
The Mormon Church is extremely wealthy since they are required to tithe to stay in good standing in the church (I think it's called something else in their church). - pintomp3, on 11/09/2008, -13/+54This cartoon pretty much sums up the issue:
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o221/eminem-12/ ... - 16x9, on 11/09/2008, -5/+46As a resident of Salt Lake City, I'd like to lend support SRSco's comments. Salt Lake City and Park City are like islands of deep blue in an otherwise very red state.
Granted that the LDS church is headquartered in Salt Lake but the people here are not quite like those in the rest of the state (a fact that our extreme right-wing state legislature reminds us of with every restrictive law they can pass).
By hurting those people of Utah who by-in-large wish the LDS church would have stayed out of the California's business (and more to the point would have liked to see Proposition 8 fail), boycotting events like Sundance would actually amuse the hell out of those you are hoping to piss off. - nmanguy, on 11/09/2008, -32/+72Why are you going to boycott Utah? You don't see anyone who voted for Prop 8 upset that Apple, Google, Comcast, and pretty much any other company donated ***** of money to no on 8 campaigns.
In fact, if anything, why don't you blame it on Obama, or even Black people? They had a 70% anti-gay marriage vote compared to 50-50 for most other races, so just blame Obama for making black people vote. But, no, that would make your God-King Obama responsible, so just blame it on the Mormons.
Your scapegoating is disgusting. People didn't want to see gays get married because it is wrong, so they voted for prop 8, and if the Mormons donated nothing it would still have passed. - jerbaker, on 11/09/2008, -7/+45Don't forget that God knocked up a virgin just so he could have a son to send on a suicide mission. Bizarre ***** man.
- nosecohn, on 11/09/2008, -8/+45The reason it passed is because it was on the ballot. The people will almost always vote to limit the rights of a minority they don't understand or relate to. That's why protection of minority rights is left to the courts or legislature rather than a direct vote of the people.
James Bovard's famous quote (often misattributed to Benjamin Franklin) puts it best: "Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner." - Cuchanu, on 11/09/2008, -6/+42Make that 38% aren't Mormons, but who's counting? Either way the state is run by them.
- deepthot42, on 11/09/2008, -17/+52Boycotting is the easiest way to do nothing and thinking you are doing something.... next to prayer of course.
- Tyrghast, on 11/09/2008, -49/+83Mormonism should be the perfect lens for Christians. All the crazy ***** that Joseph Smith came up with? you find a lot crazier ***** in the Bible. Example: The universe was created in 6 days, and then God decided to take a day off.
- publiclurker, on 11/09/2008, -5/+38And we all know how separate but equal works out when the bigots are in charge of it now, don't we.
- nickallen74, on 11/09/2008, -4/+37Nothing - they're all fake.
- vat0r, on 11/09/2008, -3/+35I'd venture to say that most if not all religions are cult like.
- youannoyme, on 11/09/2008, -4/+35A difference is tax benefits. As far as the religious connotation of marriage goes, you are right. But one religion doesn't get to dictate another religion (or lack of religion). However as far as legalities are concerned, if you let multiple people enter into a legally binding arrangement like that you open the doors wide for abuse, and large groups of people can pretend to be together just for the tax benefits. With gay marriage you have no larger a chance of abuse than a man and a woman has.
Churches should have no say over matters of state, and state should have no say over religious matters. I voted no on 8 because that was the battle that is being fought now, but really the state should *only* hand out and recognize civil unions, and if people want to get married in one church or another, it will be up to that church to decide. - greenroom628, on 11/09/2008, -11/+38the point is that the utah mormon church should not have had any right to influence any election in a different state. communities in california don't bother any election proceedings in the state of utah, so why should an organization in a different state care?
they shouldn't care and should leave the organization of california to californians. any money spent on influencing californian elections should have been sent back and never used.
that's why i would support this boycott. - linagee, on 11/09/2008, -11/+38Half of us in Utah are not morons!
- Beautyon, on 11/09/2008, -13/+40"A Democracy is three wolves and a sheep voting on dinner,’'
You all love it when it works in your favour, but when it does not, you shout BOYCOTT!!!
America was designed as a Democratic Republic, not a Democracy. You should not be able to vote to deny peole their rights in America, Period. Living in a Democracy means that Mormons can control you if there are enough of them, Or Muslims. Or any other demographic that has enoug numbers; all of these people are wolves to someone; that is why we need to be protected from ALL of them by an iron clad Constitution.
The state should have no part in marriage of any kind whasoever. Marriage and religion are completely private areas of life that have nothing to do with the state, that the state should not sanction or approve of or license or control in any way.
Anyone who wants the state in their business is insane. Anyone who has no dealing with the states and then who campaigns to get the state to regulate them is MORE than insane, whatever word describes that madness. - Cattywampus, on 11/09/2008, -7/+33I also think boycotting the entire state of Utah is a lame idea. It's the people of California who voted for the proposal, not the people of Utah. If people want to boycott or protest, maybe they should focus on politicians or businesses or lobbying groups who were in favor of the Proposition.
What is boycotting Utah going to achieve? The state of Utah can't force the Mormon Church to change its position. And the Mormons are not going to change their stance, no matter what protesters do. - Vesuvias, on 11/09/2008, -8/+34@bythewar This is only partially true. My ex-girlfriends family was considered a part of the "traditionalist" mormons...these to not turn away to the idea of multiple wives... of course it is becoming less and less everyday, but they are still out there illegally...
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