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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+102You know what we do if the election is hacked?
"Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo - use in that order." - david76, on 10/12/2007, -3/+96What's pathetic is these are some of the same companies that make ATM machines. When was the last time you ever had an ATM machine debit the wrong account?
- skankyBacon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+91You'd think if a machine was designed for ONE THING (like count votes), it could do it without "bugs" as ridiculous as these. That's like designing a calculator that can't do math.
- WellArmedLibral, on 10/12/2007, -1/+90The question is not "if the vote can be hacked". Digg readers, being technologically literate know that the electronic voting machines & tabulators can be easily hacked, and well read enough to know that they have been hacked in the past. The issue is what to do if they are hacked in this election . . .
http://webapps.wellarmedliberal.com/roller/page/WellArmedLiberal?entry=this_is_the_movie_that - megaloid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+84Stalin:
"He who cast the ballot is nothing. He who counts the ballot is everything." - appetite, on 10/12/2007, -2/+82We should get a Diebold voting machine and hook it up as a castration machine to anyone who says the voting machines are secure. There will be one button for 'keep my balls' and one for 'cut off my balls'. Then we'll ask them if they are confident enough to press the 'keep my balls' button 1000 times in a row.
- zweben, on 10/12/2007, -1/+74"If it is hacked, then hopefully the win will go to the side whom will benefit us as Americans, the party who will respect our privacy, and will best lead America in the future."
If it is hacked, the purported 'winner' is not a party that deserves to lead America at all; republican or democrat. - appetite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+71Use video cameras when you vote tomorrow!!!
Video phones, digital cameras with video capabilities, camcorders, or whatnot.
Get some proof on YouTube and Digg tomorrow if your votes get flipped by the machines!!! - jackhole, on 10/12/2007, -2/+68Because they, not you, are the ones voting.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+61If the elections AREN'T hacked, it's only because no one cared enough to do it, and I don't think that is terribly likely.
- Hellman109, on 10/12/2007, -6/+53Lucky that Bushes family doesn't run Diabold and one of the other major ones.
oh wait. - bloomanchoo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+46agreed.
What do we do (as disenfranchised citizens) if this is the case...?
I would like to hear someone's opinion who maybe in the know on such things. - otheruser, on 10/12/2007, -2/+39Someone needs to bring democracy to America!
"Wanted: Foreign nation to occupy and rigidly enforce democracy. Extended stay welcome!" - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37yeah i wish diebold made their atms like their voting machines.. it would be cool to withdraw $100 to only find it deposited $1000
- TheLlamaIs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+38You can't hack good old fashioned paper ballots...
Sometimes sticking to the traditional ways is much better... - appetite, on 10/12/2007, -2/+37If one person gets proof of this on video, that's worth a lot more than one vote.
But good point--be discreet. If you get footage of vote flipping, you'll be a hero. If you don't, don't show anyone your camera. - Avengelist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+35In Canada, we use paper, pencils, and printed ballots, along with a cardboard box... and guess what... we don't have vote counting problems.
We also have a smaller population, and can all go vote at the national igloo, while being watched by Mounties. - masgrada, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35Two words; diebold still tallies those votes too.
- diehard2k5, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35That's six words.
- pap3rw8, on 10/12/2007, -3/+34two words: absentee ballots.
- fortressgame, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29WHAT THE HELL DO WE DO IS THE QUESTION
I'm serious. What? I am not trying to sound helpless, but what action can i take right now. I want to know so we all can do it. What brings the media's attention to this? Who can I call? - Jerichop, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28If they can't properly count votes, why are we calling them voting machines?
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26Perhaps we should consider voting by applause meter, It might be more reliable.
- dnthomps, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25We can send people to the moon... but we can't get our voting machines to work properly.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24If I were to see just ONE vote be switched from REPUBLICAN to DEMOCRAT, then I'll move away from my right-wing conspiracy theory. But EVERY report I've seen is about a dem vote switching to rep, this makes me ***** furious.
How the ***** do they even call themselves Americans? They are trying to destroy this country from the inside out, and they are succeeding. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23Actually it's more the typical non-retarded person reaction: if someone is an utter failure as a human being, ban them.
- sokz, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28Hulk smash!
- michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27Is it really possible to film the vote being flipped?
Does it actually show your vote being flipped on the screen?
Someone HAS to get that on Video!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OSAMA IS STILL FREE!!!!! - appetite, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25Do Republicans have balls? Or do they suck balls? (Foley, Haggard, Sean Hannity...)
I did hear that Ann Coulter has testicles, though. - uptown, on 10/12/2007, -9/+28welcome to my banned list
- Hellman109, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Or simply print a paper trail that the user can see (but not touch) that is stored internally.
IE when you have made your vote, it prints onto a paper receipt straight away what your voted for, it shows you that through perspex so your sure of it, then rolls away after a couple of second (so that its not there for the next voter to see).
They already have perspex, Diabold make ATMs that can do this, so its a damn easy way to get tamper proof recording if they need to be sure of the counting. - Bob042, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Who's up for making Mickey Mouse win a congress seat?
Kidding, of course, but it seems like that's what it would take for people to catch on... - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Seriously, we need to get NASA's Space Shuttle OS programmer to program these damned machines. It's not that hard to make an unhackable, perfect voting machine -- make a custom OS, make yourself a touch-screen program, make sure that there's no possible way to exit the program, or have any functionality at all without a keyboard connected, and then just have the program add the votes to a tally, print a paper receipt that goes into a large box in the background, and just make sure that the damned computer doesn't even have the ABILITY to access the internet, and lock it and its keyboard in a box with a padlock on it in another room. If the computer is offline, you can't control it without a keyboard, and the computer tower itself is in another room in a locked box, there is no room for tampering, especially when you have paper receipts.
And I'm sure the open source community could whip something like that up in about a month and make it cost ~$500 per machine.
EDIT: @steelmaverick:
Obviously not the Democrats and their ilk, either. People seem to forget that voting for the party in which you hate less is not the best way to vote -- you should vote for someone you agree with. Unfortunately, because everyone will just vote for the party they hate less -- the Democrats -- we're going to move from the Fascist Republicans to the Socialist Democrats. Where the hell is a TRUE conservative party when you need one? - brutalentropy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Live Free or Die Bold.
- EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17"You can't hack good old fashioned paper ballots..."
Sure you can, it's just not as easy to affect a large number of votes and not get caught. Vote "hacking" has been around as long as there have been votes. - Hellman109, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21Im sure that the republicans will close the "paper hole" in time.
- PurgueFlantar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17@ rgck60
Typical neoconazi response: Don't like it? Attack the ***** out of it. Because that's what you were told to do. - masgrada, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Why don't voting districts have a control group voting machine??? You know, one RANDOM voting machine to do a RANDOM number of RANDOM votes and verified.
- strebalicious, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Still don't know what's wrong with paper ballots.
- Lososaurus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16@rgck60: You know why people are so pissed off with your comment? Because you're telling them to shutup about the one thing that this country was founded on and the fact that it's being stolen from them.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16ZOMG, TAKE TO THE STREETS! REVOLT! RISE UP FELLOW DIGGERS! OUR DEMOCRACY IS AT STAKE!
- MAdaXe42, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14I just keep getting 'Republican'.
- smoothmedia, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16http://www.duggmirror.com
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I can only hope you're not serious. Check out pap3rw8's two words below.
- omnithought, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14I think we're all going through that right now. How do you MAKE change happen without being labeled a "terrorist"? ***** sure have our nuts in a sling, don't they?
- Capta1nA, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15@ appetite
A good idea, but using cameras at polling places is illegal in many places. Make sure you vote before you do anything like that. - nogami, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Not to mention that if it's a touch screen system requiring calibration, it would be trivially easy for any programmer that had 1/2 a clue to design a system where the screen would be re-calibrated for EACH NEW USER.
Just like PalmOS or PocketPCs, require the voters to press "OK" through 2 or 3 "how to vote" information screens, and put the "OK/NEXT" buttons at strategic locations on the screen so as they're pressing OK, they're also calibrating the screen for themselves.
If the machine can't calibrate automatically from the user's input (or after a pre-set timeout), it automatically disables the touch-screen interface and switches to an alternate keypad/button interface to register a vote.
I mean, this isn't rocket-science folks. What kind of incompetents are you letting design the system that runs your democracy, and why the hell are so few people outraged?
N. - mabhatter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I find all the ATM jokes funny, because ATMs have PAPER TRAILS! Listen carefully next time and you'll hear a second one inside the machine buzzing away. Banks won't trust their money without them, but Diebold expects us to trust their machines for the country?
That's enough said for me, if Diebold can find a way to make the banks happy and secure why can't CITIZENS get the same technology? Anything less is criminal. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12They can't be fixed easily.
- michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11That's what i want to know also.
There was a single person somewhere in the approval chain that made the decision to buy these crappy hackable vote machines.
Who was it? I want a full investigation. I want to know whose pocket he is in.
We all know this administration is not big into investigations or balance of power or checks and balances.
All hell is going to break loose if the republicans win narrowly after all the polls show a substantial Democratic lead in most states.
OSAMA IS STILL FREE!!!!! -
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