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- Beveridge89, on 06/23/2008, -24/+243"But I can confirm to you that we never tortured him. We never tortured any prisoners."
Does anyone actually believe that?
Buried for posters description. - SheilaNoya, on 06/23/2008, -63/+224True or not true - who knows? However, the Republicans should be used to seeing someone's military record smeared since they are masters at doing this to others.
With that said... I don't even give a damn about what did or didn't happen in Vietnam. Being captured as a "prisoner of war" doesn't automatically make you a military genius. Nor does it automatically make you the best choice for Commander-in-Chief. Pure logic should make you think otherwise. How about a leader who DIDN'T fall into the hands of the enemy? Wouldn't that make more sense?
Anyway - McCain already loses on the issues without having to try and smear his military history. - wonderchemist, on 06/23/2008, -20/+131"We don't torture" - G.W. Bush
If we don't, they didn't either. - Thumper13, on 06/24/2008, -10/+106Look, it's well documented what happened in the Hanoi Hilton. Let's be objective, this article is full of *****.
Can we all keep our heads on.
-Republican for Obama 08 - Ridgeliner7, on 06/23/2008, -34/+129"We can no longer afford to build ourselves up by tearing someone else down. We can no longer afford to traffic in lies or fear or hate. It is the poison that we must purge!" -- Barack Obama
- RuffRidr, on 06/24/2008, -8/+86Wow. And I thought swift boating a veteran was bad. This is a new low in elections.
- omnithought, on 06/24/2008, -5/+78I can't stand McCain, but for this guy to say they didn't torture anyone at the Hanoi Hilton is like Bush saying we don't torture at Gitmo. Just *****.
- rebotfc, on 06/23/2008, -60/+121McCain has only ever been about what he wants, he will twist any truth and betray any principle to get it.
That said I don't think you can take Mr Duyet's word, to say "we never tortured anyone" is probably not true. - waxoff, on 06/24/2008, -10/+69McCain holds a large number of views I strongly disagree with. (E.g.: Iraq, Abortion Rights) In my admititly non-medical opinion, his memory and cognitive skills seem to show signs of deterioration. (Maybe not to a degree so worrying now as much as maybe in 3-4 more years.) But I do not believe the man to be insincere, untruthful or willing to "betray any principle" to get what he wants. I also have no doubt he brutally tortured in Vietnam, probably under the direction of Mr Duyet.
Vote for Obama, but please, stop acting like the mirror image of the Neo-Con republicans. Leave the character assassination to them. - chrissku, on 06/24/2008, -4/+57I'm a Barack Obama supporter all the way.....however I will take John McCains word over this losers any day of the week.
"We didn't torture him"
Yea right. The guy can't even raise his arms above his shoulders anymore. - inactive, on 06/24/2008, -7/+55Only on digg could the veracity of a candidate be legitimately called into question by a torturer.
- mzito, on 06/24/2008, -2/+49Occam's Razor, please. EITHER, John McCain and the other prisoners invented his torture and trials - in fact, when he said, "I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate. I almost died and the Vietnamese people saved my life, thanks to the doctors.", that was his true feelings he was confessing to the VC....OR, he was tortured horribly, subjected to excruciating pain, and this is why he "confessed" to what he did, and this vietnamese man is trying to escape his own past and what he was part of.
I'm an obama supporter, and I think mccain is wrong for this country. However, mccain served his country with nobility and strength, through odds and situations that many of us here could not stand. It's fine if we want to attack his politics, but to attack his military service is the same underhanded technique that John Kerry faced in 2004, and we should all be better than that. - Beveridge89, on 06/23/2008, -4/+50Touché, can't argue with that.
- bloodmoney, on 06/24/2008, -7/+47They didn't torture my uncle either. He just went crazy for some other unknown reason and he lied to the family about being tortured so that he could appear to be a better uncle. Yeah.
- LeadOffMan, on 06/24/2008, -5/+44buried for the bs description
- akamurph, on 06/23/2008, -19/+57Nice comment poster you r-tard... take that one little section out of the article where the rest of the article the guy praises McCain. Oh, do you really think this gentleman in communist Vietnam is going to say they tortured the prisoners? Moron.
- swrostmore, on 06/24/2008, -10/+47I'm not saying he wasn't subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques, but I'm pretty sure he broke his arms in the air crash. In fact, it says as much in TFA.
- bernandoo, on 06/23/2008, -65/+102"But Mr Duyet's propaganda-perfect version of events is impossible to verify - and should be treated with caution in a country where the Communist authorities still keep a tight control over the media."
***** you and your liberal bias blinding you from actually reading through the article to see that this guy is full of *****. Obviously US soldiers were tortured at the Hanoi Hilton.. you are a naive piece of ***** to think otherwise. Give respect where respect is due. - FTWmovin2canada, on 06/24/2008, -3/+40And yet he supports it.
- inactive, on 06/24/2008, -8/+43So we normalized relations with communist Vietnam--after we lost 50,000 lives--and everyone's cool with it.
Can anyone tell me why the heck we still have an embargo with Cuba? - BGog, on 06/24/2008, -8/+36I couldn't agree more. I do not agree with McCains politics but he is not evil and quite frankly I believe an american war veteran over the enemy who was in charge of the prison.
- dinot, on 06/23/2008, -29/+56Liberal bias? Come children, let's dissect the parts of the article that are not in quotes:
Four decades ago, during the Vietnam war, Mr Duyet was in charge of the notorious Hoa Lo prison - the place where Mr McCain says he was brutally beaten and tortured during five-and-a-half years as an American prisoner of war. - LIBERAL BIAS!
said 75-year-old Mr Duyet as he feeds the caged birds he now keeps in his garden in this coastal city. - LIBERAL BIAS!
Navy pilot John McCain was shot down during a bombing raid over the North Vietnamese capital, Hanoi, in 1967. - LIBERAL BIAS!
He ejected from his aircraft and parachuted into a city lake - only to be dragged out by an angry crowd, barely conscious, and with two broken arms and a broken leg. - LIBERAL BIAS!
From there he was taken to Hoa Lo prison, known to its American military inmates as the "Hanoi Hilton." - LIBERAL BIAS!
McCain has since described enduring months of solitary confinement and systematic torture which drove him to try to kill himself. - LIBERAL BIAS!
Mr Duyet reminisces instead about how he often summoned the future US presidential candidate to his private office for informal chats. - LIBERAL BIAS!
So is Mr Duyet implying that that Senator McCain lied about his treatment at the Hanoi Hilton? - LIBERAL BIAS!
But Mr Duyet's propaganda-perfect version of events is impossible to verify - and should be treated with caution in a country where the Communist authorities still keep a tight control over the media. - LIBERAL BIAS!
Relations between Vietnam and the United States have improved dramatically in recent years, following the normalisation of ties between the former enemies in 1995. - LIBERAL BIAS!
.... that word "bias". I don't think it means what you think it means. - obliviousfool, on 06/23/2008, -16/+42If he wasn't tortured, how did his shoulders get so messed up?
- pnunn, on 06/24/2008, -1/+27That's us- you can't trade with us til we spend a few years killing each other. If Castro would get with it and have a lengthy and pointless war with us it'd be cigars all around! Instead we just sit there, cautiously watching each other and never knowing what might have been...
- minox, on 06/24/2008, -2/+27This ridiculous story reminds me of when Solzhenitsyn published The Gulag Archipelago, which detailed life under the Soviet regime. In it he claimed that at one point about 1/4 of the population of St. Petersburg was shipped to the Gulags. At the time this figure was rejected as being far too inflated. But after the fall of the Soviet Union their records were checked and proved that the numbers were higher than even Solzhenitsyn had speculated. There is a long tradition in the West of trying to minimize the cruelty of Communist regimes. I guess now we have one more chapter to add to the list of Western apologetics for Communism. This one is even more pathetic because it is not only minimizing McCain's personal experience, but also the experience of others who were treated savagely.
- Pedestrian101, on 06/24/2008, -4/+29As if sitting in that ***** for years wasn't torture enough..
- EnviroChem, on 05/22/2009, -5/+30I'm an Obama supporter saying Amen to rebotfc, waxoff and wishninja's first comments above. I've really grown to dislike McCain intensely (I used to like him in 2000), however, Mr Duyet is not credible. Just because we don't like McCain or because we are Obama supporters doesn't mean we should be using comments by McCain's captors against him.
- inactive, on 06/24/2008, -3/+27Duyet has no credibility 40 years later it is easy to talk about how you were really a nice guy and just "misunderstood" If we had our hands on him 40 years ago he would have been tried for war crimes.
- gryphon50, on 06/24/2008, -2/+25I'm not a McCain fan but do you seriously expect this guy to say, "Hell yes, we tortured prisoners." That is like expecting whoever is running Guantanamo to admit what is going on there. If this guy was running the place, maybe he was not present during the torture sessions but I'm sure he knew it was going on. Doesn't McCain have injuries or disabilities due to torture, also? At least according to the Wiki on him, other American prisoners saw him and he was in very bad shape and they did not expect him to live. Lastly, he signed anti-American statements, don't you think he was forced by some means into doing that? I'm not voting for him but I find this article dubious.
- Digger1123, on 06/24/2008, -7/+30Hmmm.
Let see, decorated war veteran vs. head of a POW camp, I think I'll believe McCain on this one. - gobbleplex, on 06/24/2008, -1/+21JHB, McCain has done a complete 180 on torture since the beginning of the year.
- EnviroChem, on 05/22/2009, -0/+20I don't believe either Mr Duyet or G.W. Bush. We can be certain they both condoned torture and that it took place with their consent and they probably used the very same rational to justify it.
- Apokalyps2547, on 06/24/2008, -4/+24The bulk of these comments seem to be "I'm an Obama fan but this article is full of ***** and McCain IS a legitimate war hero". The Dems ARE better than that.
- pdxmark, on 06/24/2008, -2/+21Yeah, I'm not voting for McCain, but I don't think Mr Duyet is reliable. I don't doubt that prisoners were tortured, and there's plenty of evidence that they were.
It would be a shame if some on the left attempted to swiftboat McCain. - PhilLesh69, on 06/24/2008, -7/+26He thinks it means that someone is attacking his belief system, and since he has a very tenuous hold on his beliefs, he has to lash out against anyone he sees as a threat to his ideology.
People who don't understand the reasons why they believe something do that. They get defensive. - apathist, on 06/24/2008, -3/+22No that's wrong...being a POW does make you a leader and a military strategist... so long as you have a lapel flag pin to back it up... And quit mentioning issues; this is America.
- zephyear, on 06/23/2008, -0/+18"we never tortured him, i can see why he's lying"
pro-mccain? - Ugoff, on 06/24/2008, -2/+20I don't support McCain but I kind of find this story fishy. Of course he's going to say that his prison never tortured anybody, nobody admits to that kind of stuff. Just look at the US military. I don't believe this guy at all.
- damndj, on 06/24/2008, -3/+19It's called being able to withstand months or years of abuse, torture, and imprisonment without divulging any intelligence you may have.
- mlwarrior, on 06/24/2008, -5/+21Buried as more of the same old worthless crap.
- Shuk, on 06/24/2008, -3/+19I'm digging this because its a very odd and interesting article to have the leader of the prison camp support McCain, I'm not reading anymore into it. Mr. Duyet is about as credible as George Bush in saying "we did not torture".
- paradox4190, on 06/24/2008, -5/+20Of course they didn't torture him, they used enhanced interrogation techniques.
- Sogui, on 06/24/2008, -3/+18So who should we believe, McCain's fellow captives, McCain's scars and brutal injuries (that he incurred AFTER the crash), the fact that he endured so much stress that he had white hair in his early 40s, or this guy who claims nobody was tortured in Vietnam (and all those other POWs are lying too?)
- PhilLesh69, on 06/24/2008, -8/+22bernandoo, I think you are incapable of basic, common comprehension.
I think the intelligent among us here realize that a guy that is guilty of war crimes will always tell a reporter that he did not take part in torture.
Nobody doubts that McCain was treated improperly, and maybe even tortured in the classic sense.
This article is only reporting what the guy who was his captor says.
Smart people have already read reports of the plans by the swift boat veterans for truth to smear McCain with stories claiming his torture claims are false, that he in fact was called "song bird" by the other POWs because he willingly told his captors anything they wanted to know without being tortured.
I'm a conservative, though I probably will not vote for McCain. I chose not to vote at all in 2004 because I could not bring myself to vote for Bush again. But I'm not a liberal. I am still a true conservative, not a neocon, not an ideologue, just a traditional republican. I know that might confuse someone who immediately lashes out at "those liberals" any time he reads a story that conflicts with his world view, but I can only say the world is much more complex than that.
Though I guess the fact that you are willing to lash out against any negative story against McCain would mean that when you hear the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ads in the coming months, you won't need fair warning, you've been given the opinion you feel comfortable with, and you're going to vote for McCain no matter what happens between now and then.
But if that's the case, you should just shut up, stop attacking people, and just shut your mind down until November, and go ahead and vote for the guy they told you to vote for on Fox News. Unless you need to reinforce your decision and make yourself feel better by arguing with people who don't think the same way you do. - internetass, on 06/24/2008, -6/+20yeah the good democrats at BBC news
- yellowsnowcone, on 06/24/2008, -7/+21Yes McCain was tortured. He can't raise his hands over his head because of it.
- SomeDrunk, on 06/24/2008, -0/+13You must've missed the part about McCain's work to improve relations with Vietnam.
- fatdefacto, on 06/24/2008, -5/+18Yes he's using his cronies over at the BBC to attack McCain.
All hail Obama, all powerfull controller of British Media. - vault, on 06/24/2008, -4/+16Because the Vietcong was known for being credible. You really need to read up on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_equivalence
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