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- LOLDOORS, on 10/12/2007, -19/+222"The bag of meth and a male prostitute penis *somehow* just formed itself by accident into my ass"
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+173Root of All Evil Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1501157684453512889&q=root+of+all+evil
Root of All Evil Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1808651100501597451&q=root+of+all+evil - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+128It's amusing to hear Haggard say that Dawkins do not understand evolution, and is being guilty of intellectual arrogance when he says the world is more than 6000 years old.
Seriously, I don't care who Haggard is screwing or how much crystal meth he does. His *real* sin is being good at spreading known, proven, lies and having gullible people believe them. - Koopa, on 10/12/2007, -8/+93"I agree with his views, but Dawkins comes off as kind of a dick."
I thought he came out as kind of a dick too, but I think Pastor Methy McGay came off as a huge pompous douchebag, so it all works out. - DisposableRob, on 10/12/2007, -10/+80"he also implies that faith in itself is somehow irrational"
Faith is irrational. That's pretty much the definition of the word. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+82I watched the movies of this a few months ago. It's called "The root of all evil" There are two parts 1 + 2. Search for them on Google video, they are really good. First one is prolly better. Pretty long though.
- elroy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+70I love the frames where he's standing in the middle of the congregation looking PISSED OFF. Dawkins is quite the character. I welcome more videos from him.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+62According to a study published in Science, between 1985 and 2005 the number of adult Americans who accept evolution declined from 45 to 40%, the number of adults who reject evolution declined from 48 to 39% and the number of people who were unsure increased from 7% to 21%. Besides the United States the study also compared data from 32 European countries (including Turkey) and Japan. The only country where acceptance of evolution was lower than in the United States was Turkey (25%). [11] (See the chart)
When it comes to human stupidity, NEVER underestimate yourself. I wish I could find the poll that had to do with how old the earth was = - joshman5k, on 10/12/2007, -17/+71There is no God, so this won't be an issue.
- answer42, on 10/12/2007, -22/+72@dmoney22:
Nope, you're still an asshat - ashlvsya, on 10/12/2007, -18/+65I like this definition of religion (Urban Dictionary):
"The biggest lie in human history. It has been responsible for more deaths throughout human history than all other unnatural causes combined. For a thousand years the Church was a tyrannical dictatorship that used religion to control the uneducated masses. Free your minds and come into the 21st century" - mushoo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+54"As a Christian, i dont see what the big deal is."
The big deal is that this ***** met once a week with the President of the United States. Looking at the policies and stances of this White House it's sickening to realize that they're guided by the beliefs of a hypocrite and an ***** not on research and implementation that has been proven elsewhere. You might be OK with someone running a country based on beliefs, because they happen to line up with yours, but remember that you're not the only one living here. This policies affect everybody, I don't want some troubled man living a lie to have any influence in them whatsoever. - zerocomm, on 10/12/2007, -5/+51Haggard has such a weird looking face
- gardnert1, on 10/12/2007, -22/+67The Root Of All Evil is probably the best documentary on the argue for atheism. Richard Dawkins is great, but I think he could have made a better argument with the faggy pastor. Although people like that usually get out of hand when confronted with logical reasoning, as seen in the video, so it's understandable.
- CandidateZero, on 10/12/2007, -6/+47@ kypt
Yeah, I agree. I think Haggard is a total douche, but he knew how to frame the argument better than Dawkins. The fact that Haggard was saying everything with a smile and Dawkins was grimacing and over-blinking through a lot of it makes Haggard appear as the better positioned one.
Dawkins did seem to come off as arrogant and pissed while Haggard was maintaining a cool demeanor. However, Dawkins may have been on the wrong turf. Being a pastor by profession, Haggard is skilled in verbal manipulation... and also happens to be a massive hypocrite.
He lost some credibility towards the end when he got all "get off muh land" on them, too. - kevinmotel, on 10/12/2007, -4/+46crystal meth will do that. it is a hell of a drug
- afzilla, on 10/12/2007, -8/+49http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6112338.stm
Pastor Ted Haggard is a hypocrite. - therage96, on 10/12/2007, -12/+52Free will?
Ok, cool, then I'd like to use my free will and say that I do not wish to be subjected to either heaven or hell when I die, and more importantly, I would like to be put outside of Yahweh's control. - baloo0, on 10/12/2007, -19/+57This video is hardly a battle of equals, its not hard to "own" someone with the intellectual capacity of a pea so stop patting yourselves on the back
- AmishRefugee, on 10/12/2007, -6/+42i wouldn't call it ownage, but Haggard obviously never really tried to learn about evolution from an actual scientist
- neave, on 10/12/2007, -16/+50Thank goodness (not God) for Dawkins. Somebody needs to stand up to these insane neo-Christians and their bible bashing ways. Professor, I salute you.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+39Christians on this thread seem to be defending their faith by alleging that it's more comforting to believe in eternal happiness than being eaten by worms.
I've always been more interested in the truth than what's comforting. I can't understand why people are willing to believe a lie just to avoid a harsh reality.
Your personal religion is largely dependent on the GEOGRAPHY of where you are born. If you were born in Thailand, you would most likely be Buddhist today. If you were born in Afghanistan, you would most likely be Muslim today. How's that for free will? - Kypt, on 10/12/2007, -32/+63I'm sorry but I don't see how he got owned. Where I was brought up the guy that gets mad first loses. Dawrkins lost his cool from almost the very beginning while Haggard kept his cool. As to what happened on the end is anyone's guess.
Now this is going to get dugged down because I'm somehow in league with these "nuts" and a gay pastor which I'm not. I'm just looking at it with no bias... - jguy584, on 10/12/2007, -5/+37I agree, but thats how you make a documentary such as the one he was making, thats what the audience likes to see. Besides, I'm sure that Haggard agreed to this interview, and knew when they were coming and what they would talk about. I doubt they just stormed in their and started ripping him apart.
- mfratt, on 10/12/2007, -8/+39The Root of All Evil was an awesome documentary, and I think Dawkins and Ch 4 did a very good job with it. The Haggard bit was one of the best parts. I love it when Teddy boy goes "But please, in the process, dont be arrogant," while he is spewing arrogance. You can mute your volume and you are still bombarded with his arrogance.
Not to convict him based solely on an accusation, but when I first saw this clip (well before this whole thing came out), I did get the feeling that he was gay. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+40You realize Dawkins was just like yea ok w/e idiot. I mean this ***** up said evolution is random, and Dawkins let him get away with that. Arguing with people of "faith" is just a useless thing to do. No matter what they say, they are always right. And then he gets his panties in a bunch and kicks him out of his brain washing facility.
- TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -14/+45Everyone claims that Dawkins was being an arrogant prick, but that's what it takes when arguing with a religious zealot. These people WILL NOT accept modern, factual science and instead have devoted their entire lives to a fictional character.
We shouldn't be nice to these people anymore. They are causing all of the worlds pain and suffering because they are stupid. Yes, Christians, Muslims, and Jews are, you guessed it, stupid. - CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -13/+44***** sucking lips like mark foley
- mushoo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+37He's Stiffler's dad.
- mushoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32It's widened in recent years. Just as the nation keeps getting fatter, so does the belt expand in girth.
- w0rd, on 10/12/2007, -7/+36I think it's important to note, if you've seen the whole film, that Dawkins does not come off as a dick so much as a man passionate about saving humanity from what he considers a disease, an affliction that has plagued mankind for centuries, causing unsurmountable amounts of hatred and violence.
He gets angry because he sees how we are going backwards, going back towards irrational fanaticism. Not just Christians, but Hebrews and Muslims get dissected in this film as well.
I understand that many of you think that he is trying to press his belief structure on other people but it isn't a belief structure. He isn't trying to get people to believe in "Dawkinism". He is trying to get people to see the truth. Scientific fact. He is trying to get people to stop having irrationality and faith control their lives. It's a rather noble cause in my opinion. - admirabumblebee, on 10/12/2007, -32/+59Where was the ownage again? Looked like a discussion between 2 opposing viewpoints.
ar‧ro‧gance [ar-uh-guhns] –noun: offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.
Walking onto somone's complex with a video camera simply to tell them they are wrong, and you are right (and more educated and obviously 'have a clue') Would certainly be arrogance, no matter how right you are.
I dont disagree with dawkins viewpoint, but the going out of your way (looked like he had quite a crew and traveled a long way) to tell someone they are wrong and you are right.... fairly sure that's the essence of arrogance right there. - dBLiSS, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30Dawkins is far from a douche. He may come of as pretentious but the is still a brilliant man. Go ahead and read one of his books (Not necessarily the God Delusion) like Unweaving the Rainbow. An eloquent brilliant book and If it doesn't give a you a knew perspective on science then.. well so be it.
I did enjoy his quote on The Colbert Report, and I'll paraphrase.
A lot of people are atheist about gods such as Thor, or Zeus, but some of us just one one God further.
Now, it's not that insightful but it does make for a good sound bite. Cheers to Dawkins, Sagan and the rest of the wonderful Scientifc authors that try to bring the beauty of the world around us to the masses without clouding it in Supernatural Mystery. - erkokite, on 10/12/2007, -7/+34Ted Haggard disgusts me.
- Sonderiaom, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31I agree; I couldn't watch it for too long, not because of the content, but just because I wanted to deck Haggard and his weirdly stapled-up top lip.
- erkokite, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30@gardnert1
Lies can be known and proven to be lies. What's the issue? - atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28I agree, "ownage" sounds pretty stupid.
However, Haggard showed what a moron he is and taking into consideration the recent discoveries about him shows how hypocrites the self-righteous people could be. - erkokite, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30His lips kinda remind me of horse's lips.
- rippyd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25To many evangelicals knowledge = arrogance. It's amazing to me that after hundreds of years of scientific advancement, people of faith still react with fear and anger to anything the see as a challenge to that faith.
It seems crazy to us now that Galileo was imprisoned for supporting the idea that the Earth revolves around the sun. American evangelicals are doing the exact same thing with evolution. They see it as a threat to their beliefs are literally trying to have it outlawed in some parts of the country. Science has taken us to the moon, but theologically we're still in the middle ages. - oOLiquidNightOo, on 10/12/2007, -20/+42this was ridiculous. dawkins came across like a complete *****. that's not to say that his points aren't valid but he went into this interview completely on the offensive. he starts off by comparing the service to a nuremberg rally.
i'm not defending haggard but if anyone got owned here it was dawkins. not because haggard had the "truth" or the "moral high-ground" on his side but because when dawkin's arrogance became evident, haggard shut him down.
dawkins could've had a much more powerful report if he had kept his personal bias in check and questioned haggard respectfully. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26"...but here is the million dollar question. If faith in a god is stupid, should you put your faith in other things? How about science?"
I don't need faith to believe in gravity. I don't need faith to believe in facts. It's humorous that your only argument against science is that everything is a faith. Everything is not a faith. - neave, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25Yeah I agree, he can sometimes come across as an arrogant, all-knowing scientist. He's softened a bit since this programmed was filmed (especially since publishing The God Delusion). I just think he got a bit riled up by the pastor's assumption that evolution is an 'accident'.
- neptytune, on 10/12/2007, -9/+30Did you notice how he manhandled guys compared to the way he greeted women? I mean come on!
- ashlvsya, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25He also has a book out "The God Delusion"
- hypoxide, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24@someguyyouknow
What I find interesting is that as our scientific knowledge increases, the Bible is constantly being reinterpreted in order to sound more feasible. If you were to read a translation of the Bible from the 14th century, there would be no metaphorical representation of eons of time passing from the creation of the earth because it wasn't in the scope of knowledge. In Revelations, you would see references to a "dome" covering the earth that held out rain water until God opened it. There are many vague remnants of this archaic lore in current translations.
You have to remember how absolutely little the people who wrote the Bible knew about the natural world. And you must also realize how easy it would be for the Bible to evolve along side of science in order to stray from sounding ludicrous and also become more and more ambiguous so as not to violate political and scientific correctness. (I wouldn't be surprised if Leviticus [certainly the most entertaining and humorous book of the Bible–yes, I realize it was merely ground rules for early Jewish communities] becomes extinct in future revisions.)
Essentially, as one becomes more versed on both science and their faith, they will inevitably be faced with the act of willful ignorance from facets of either as they simply cannot coexist. - ellimist, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26NO! The Allied Atheist Allegiance!
- someguyouknow, on 10/12/2007, -18/+37Well... i dont think most Christians believe that the earth is only 6000 years old. I mean, it even says in the bible that a day to God is like the blink of an eye. Last time i checked, i blink quite a bit in a days time.
- Twango, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24Interesting: in this video Haggard points out that no two scientists, in any field, agree. But daily, Haggard asserts that he knows, for certain, all kinds of things ... based on no evidence ... while claiming that Xtians "embrace the scientific method."
In this video we see *why* scientists with Dawkins' ferocity are necessary. Amazingly, Haggard is surrounded by, and relies on, countless fruits of technology made possible by scientific inquiry ... with no apparent sense of gratitude. - Burly, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21Watch the whole program, Dawkins explicitly explains why it is a big deal.
- ViktorVaughn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21@patience
And I bet that makes you feel better knowing, in you head at least, that someone who doesn't share you fantasy will be eternally damned. -
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