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- hblask, on 06/26/2009, -9/+26It's good to know there are sensible voices in politics somewhere (even if none are in Washington DC).
- populist, on 06/26/2009, -7/+24This kind of thing actually worked in resisting real id too. Guess we've got a precedent to follow now...
- NorthMass, on 06/27/2009, -6/+20Good for Arizona. This claim that the government option is a choice is a joke. For one many employers will simply stop offering medical coverage since they don't have to if the government does. Then many insurance companies will fail because they can't compete with the government who can subsidize its losses at will. Then more and more people are out of work as our economy continues to crumble, so more and more people get stuck on national health care.
- pbd1637, on 06/27/2009, -7/+19Since they are going to tax my health benefits to pay for your healthcare, I won't be able to afford private insurance, and then I will be forced to go with Obamacare, as will many others. Then, since no one will be paying taxes on the benefits we won't have any more, there will be no money to pay for Obamacare. So, what will we do then? Just keep borrowing from the fed, which will cause higher inflation, and a weaker economy. All thanks to a stupid campaign promise to get a bunch of idiots to vote for him.
Oh, and by the way, get ready for a whole bunch of new regulations regarding your private life. If Obama is paying for your healthcare, he will take control of your life, just like GM. Since when does the president have the authority to fire the CEO, since he took control of the company.
Keep smiling shupy, as our country gets flushed down the toilet. - BuzzFriendly, on 06/27/2009, -7/+18Good for Arizona. I really don't understand why people want the government to be responsible for their health care. Is it because social security and Medicare how been so well managed? Or that we operate VA hospitals so well? If you believe that then I suppose you think the government will do a good job with your health care. Nationalized health care is just a bad idea pure and simple. Not everyone needs health care but we all need food ,water and shelter why not demand that from your government as well? Don't we need to feed everyone is who is hungry or thirsty or doesn't have a place to live? People need to wake up to the fact that when the government gets it hooks in your personal medical care you have relinquished all of your control over you.
- JustChillin12, on 06/27/2009, -5/+13Good!
- mollydog12, on 06/28/2009, -1/+6there will be winners and losers. some of the winners will be non us citizens, folks who can afford insurance but don't purchase it, and business's that off load the cost of thier private plans.
the losers will be anyone who pays taxes, the health of the general public, and everyone who has worked hard and earned good private coverage.
the sum of all the reasons the healh care industry should be improved doesn't equl a need for obama care. not even close. another manufactured crisis to cloak a grab for power. - mollydog12, on 06/29/2009, -0/+5"Apparently, you're ok with hard working, productive people getting screwed." what !?
unlike you i don't consider it being "screwed" when i pay for what i get. i consider it getting screwed when i have to pay for what someone else gets.
in the last 7 years i've had 3 major surgeries and been hospitalized 4 times. the average hospital stay was more than a week. each surgery has required months of physical therapy. one of the surgeries required a month of in patient care.
each surgery put me out of work for at least 6 months. the last surgery put me out of work for a year.
all this care cost you and everyone else nothing. i didn't even have to go on disability. my full pay and medical costs were all covered by private insurance. insurance my company provided which i supplemented at my own expense.
now here's the part you won't understand. i'm on the hook for over 30,000 dollars for out of pocket expenses, deductables and copays. but my insurance has paid out over a quarter of a million and that doesn't include the short term disability payments they made.
i didn't take the easy way out and file for bankruptcy. i worked out agreements with all the people i owed and paid them. i'm still paying them. i don't feel screwed at all. i feel fortunate. i really would have been in a bind if i hadn't had the coverage i did have and if i hadn't the good sense to also carry a private disability policy.
i was fortunate to have coverage but believe me i worked for it. 12 - 14 hour days. weekend work. sometimes i've worked more than 1 job. i had enough sense to not buy my house until i could afford it and i didn't mortgage the equity and i've kept my dept within my means. when i was hit with these catastrophic expenses i was able to take the blow because i've always known not to spend what i don't have. guess i was just raised right.
like i said. i don't feel screwed even though i've had to do without in order to pay my bills. i don't believe you or anyone else should pay for me. never occured to me that someone else should carry my weight.
oh yeah. i also pay more than 50 % of what i make in taxes. too bad more folks don't live the way i do. we'ld all have more to spend on our families if they did.
- inactive, on 06/27/2009, -7/+11well mr TTHE...just pull out your wallet and pay more taxes..and get all "those" people you know to do likewise...
Obambi's solution is RADICAL for the US..maybe not for CUBA or Venezuela now..but it IS radical for the US
a government BIG enough to give you everything is BIG enough to take it away....who chooses who they take it away from?
give me liberty or give me death
live free or die - Stevanoski, on 06/27/2009, -5/+8Don't forget, if you are a union member then your health insurance will not be taxed.
- mollydog12, on 06/28/2009, -2/+5i'ld love to see that blood sucking obama fail.
- Njon, on 06/29/2009, -1/+4More socialist propaganda. Why do you assume that this has anything to do with party? Today's Republicans tend to shred the Constitution just as much as Democrats; they just do it in different ways.
- Stevanoski, on 06/28/2009, -4/+7Much hate inside you fiat, the reason I could never be a Leftist.
- Stevanoski, on 06/27/2009, -5/+8The USA does not have a healthcare crisis. It has a healthcare insurance crisis. The solution is simple, though not easy.
First pass a federal law that overides all state laws so we could buy insurance any where we could find it cheapest.
Second, let every company give every person the cash the companies spend on healthcare insurance and let the employee find the best solution for them and their families. - Striker101, on 07/29/2009, -0/+2"Needs" is a dirty word, invented within
"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
Therefore that statement is not ridiculous.
Now then, moving to "Wants", all we Want is to preserve the natural human right called Choice. A moral person might say instead "not everyone Wants government to run our lives, make our Choices, or stead our money to redistribute to the unknown and unworthy."
Or Not everyone Wants Liberty... we find that hard to understand. - NorthMass, on 06/27/2009, -5/+7Your viewpoint on insurance companies is analogous to folks like John McCain who will go "to the gates of hell" to capture Osama Bin Laden. Hurting your own country through war or through socialism to extract revenge serves no purpose.
- Stevanoski, on 06/28/2009, -4/+5lol, good way to start my Sun. morning.
- Temlakos, on 06/27/2009, -7/+9Whom are you trying to kid? "No one's forcing anything on you." Oh, yes, they are. By the time Obama gets through there'll be no *private* option. And under your so-called "public option," the only medicine reliably available to anyone will be battlefield medicine.
- Striker101, on 07/29/2009, -0/+2@fiat. Yes, all of us certainly do have "Mine".
Quit claiming what's Mine is Yours.
Go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass Go. - Njon, on 06/29/2009, -2/+4So just because someone opposes socialist trampling of the Constitution in the area of health care, that means they must support an imperialistic foreign policy?
False. - Stevanoski, on 06/27/2009, -6/+8" all at the expense of the poorest and most vulnerable in our society."
God tells the NYT, WaPO and WSJ the world is going to end tomorrow.
WSJ: Markets in turmoil in response to God's warning.
WaPo: Congress to hold meeting to discuss the earths end.
NYT: World to end tomorrow, poorest and most vulnerable in our society to be hit the hardest. - mollydog12, on 06/28/2009, -4/+5there's realy little doupt in my mind that you paid as little in tax for that road as you probably will for this proposed healthcare. democrats are so free with spending because it's always someone els's money. show me someone in favor of this absurd health care plan and i'll shoe you, 9 times out of ten, someone who's gonna get something for nothing.
i have because i worked hard. you don't have, why ? - mollydog12, on 06/28/2009, -5/+6 "... and all at the expense of the poorest and most vulnerable in our society."
yawn. you make me puke. - mollydog12, on 06/28/2009, -4/+4when government spends to protect us from those who would do us harm, i support that spending.
when they steal from some citizens to subsidize the usual suspects i resist. - fiatjustitia, on 06/28/2009, -2/+2But isn't the government *stealing* from you when they tax you to build bombs or train troops to fight terrorists? what if it protects someone you don't know from being attacked? Isn't that the "redistribution of wealth"?
- fiatjustitia, on 06/28/2009, -4/+3People who work hard and pay their health insurance premiums on time are still getting screwed, and something about that needs to change. Don't you get it? Working people are getting nailed to the wall because private insurance companies do everything they can to get out from under covering them the instant someone gets sick.
Apparently, you're ok with hard working, productive people getting screwed.
I thought conservatives were *for* the working American? - CosmicSurfer, on 06/28/2009, -4/+3Well frankly my dear I don't give a damn....The arrogance that continues to be spewed by the exceptionalist elitists claiming so hard that they aren't elitists is getting tiresome at best...at worst is enough to make me want to scream....
Oh you work so hard...Oh, ain't it awful...you poor pitiful "thang" and no one knows your pain..so sad, so very sad...And the MILLIONS out there working hard that STILL CANNOT AFFORD HEALTHCARE COVERAGE OR HEALTHCARE WITH THEIR CRAPPY COVERAGE, are taking advantage of all you poor hard working thangs.......You have to cover our sorry asses because we believe "we are entitled to it"?
Your arrogance is only exceeded by your willful ignorance
Now, Fiatjustitia, you, my friend, got it right! - fiatjustitia, on 06/28/2009, -4/+3Then the next time you drive on a federally funded road, I demand that you mail me a check for the tax dollars that I paid that I am not directly benefiting from.
- fiatjustitia, on 06/28/2009, -3/+1How do you know?
- fiatjustitia, on 06/27/2009, -8/+6@pbd1637
'Since they are going to tax my health benefits to pay for your healthcare, I won't be able to afford private insurance"
What if the benefit of government care in that you won't go bankrupt from co-pays alone outweighs a potential increase in your taxes? - CosmicSurfer, on 06/28/2009, -4/+1Go ahead...Find a private insurance policy that comes close to a group plan....In fact go out and get the private policy, get diagnosed with, say, carcinoma in situ, Rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes, migraines or even MISDIAGNOSED and see what happens to that cheap policy you found...Then when you are PAYING $1000 per person per month or MORE for your healthcare insurance with a deductible up to $5000 a year, no vision, dental or prescription and getting only 80/20 on hospitalization...come back and talk to us about your great plan of being the great plan for healthcare.
The insurance companies are raping everyone and when it comes to those over 50 or ever diagnosed with an illness, they are gang raping us - fiatjustitia, on 06/27/2009, -8/+6"Obambi's solution is RADICAL for the US..maybe not for CUBA or Venezuela now..but it IS radical for the US"
Radical for you, but not for America:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/19/opinion/ ... - fiatjustitia, on 06/28/2009, -6/+2Just remember: if the government taxes and spends money to blow up people in nations that average digg wing nut can't even pronounce, then it's "teh war on terrah".
If the government taxes and spends to provide education, health care, or some basic level of survival for Americans, then it's "evil commie pinko hippie socialism". - fiatjustitia, on 06/27/2009, -10/+6"***** you, I got mine."
That right there defines the current psychosis of the Republican party.
"Me and mine don't suffer like you and yours do, so I don't care!" Is their motto. - chrisjj, on 06/27/2009, -11/+6Pity the poor people of Arizona. This kind of paranoid rejection of any social programs provided by the Federal Government is Neanderthal to say the least, and all at the expense of the poorest and most vulnerable in our society. I guess you like your federally authorized guns but not federally authorized health care - how sick is that?
- rhabdomancer, on 06/27/2009, -13/+8"Not everyone needs health care"
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on Digg.
Congratulations. - Maddoktor2, on 06/27/2009, -13/+7Since "The Party of Family Values" is pretty much down the ***** by now, the GOP needs a new motto.
Lessee here..how do most Republicans think...hmm...
Ah, I got it.
"***** you, I got mine."
Yep, that'll do nicely. - shupy, on 06/27/2009, -21/+14Considering there is no suggestion of forcing anyone into anything, this is a pretty safe way for Arizona Politicians to appeal to right wing nuttery.
Obamacare won't need to be rammed through. Obama ran on healthcare reform. He is fulfilling that promise. I for one will sign up the minute it is available as will about 50 million other Americans. If you folks don't want it, we are just fine with that.
But I hope you have no plans for ever going on Medicare and I hope you tell your lazy parents and grandparents to quit sucking off the system by using Medicare.. - THETEH, on 06/27/2009, -14/+7"He will take control of your life." You do know that every other civilized country in the world has government-run healthcare except us, right? You'll notice that none of them are dictatorships. They just have government-run healthcare programs. There are many people (myself included) who wouldn't mind paying slightly higher taxes so that other people can get basic healthcare. Our people have been at the mercy of insurance companies for quite some time (insurance companies that sometimes refuse to give sick people coverage!). Obama's solution is nothing radical, just a public option for those who want it and a bit more regulation of insurance companies.
- rhabdomancer, on 06/27/2009, -12/+4Good. I'd love to see those blood-sucking insurance companies fail.
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