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- geomon, on 10/15/2007, -11/+100"christain filth"?
Wow! I'm an atheist and even I'm a bit stunned by that statement. - CannedMango, on 10/13/2007, -26/+110Expanding religion through the military??
WTF?
Am I living in bizarro world or is this the Spanish Inquisition part 2? - iching, on 10/10/2007, -14/+96For Mr. Weinstein – a former Air Force judge advocate and assistant counsel in the Reagan White House – more is involved than isolated cases of discrimination. He charges that several incidents in recent years – and more than 5,000 complaints his group has received from active-duty and retired military personnel – point to a growing willingness inside the military to support a particular brand of Christianity and to permit improper evangelizing in the ranks MORE THAN 95% OF THE COMPLAINTS COME FROM OTHER CHRISTIANS.
The religious foundation Operation Straight Up (OSU), tried to send our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan copies of a religious "video game" called "Left Behind: Eternal Forces" in care packages. When it was brought to light that the video game entailed "soldiers for Christ" trying to convert non-believers and killing them, the Pentagon put a halt to it. But, keep in mind, the Pentagon only put a halt to it after America learned about it; not when it was proposed.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-aslan22a ...
Take, for instance, the recent scandal involving Christian Embassy, a group whose expressed purpose is to proselytize to military personnel, diplomats, Capitol Hill staffers and political appointees. In a shocking breach of security, Defense Department officials allowed a Christian Embassy film crew to roam the corridors of the Pentagon unescorted while making a promotional video featuring high-ranking officers and political appointees. (Christian Embassy, which holds prayer meetings weekly at the Pentagon, is so entrenched that Air Force Maj. Gen. John J. Catton Jr. said he'd assumed the organization was a "quasi-federal entity.") - str3ama, on 10/14/2007, -27/+85"It is perfectly acceptable to have an imaginary friend, so long as you call him God"
- Hobbes24, on 10/14/2007, -6/+56Everyone knows invisible fire breathing dragons live in cellars.
n00b. - tmlee, on 10/15/2007, -15/+64"Christian filth?." Please report news without adding your own personal views. It's like you are force-feeding us something
- Crimsoneer, on 10/14/2007, -32/+77The US is being force fed Christianity.
- inactive, on 10/14/2007, -30/+74I have an invisible fire breathing dragon in my garage, prove me wrong.
- iching, on 10/10/2007, -7/+4795% of the complaints are coming from Christians........get it? But a christianity not acceptable to the evangelist. You need to get off of your dinosaur and walk to the edge of your flat earth.
- iamthewalrus, on 10/10/2007, -27/+65Does the description for this really say "christian filth"? This is pitiful. The person who posted this should be ashamed; that's about the most outright discriminatory statement I've heard in a long time
- jscnet, on 10/14/2007, -7/+39Ya know... here's an interesting story.
I was in the US Army in 1986 - 1989. During my 13 weeks in basic training I (we) received one day somewhere in the middle called a "Free Day" where there'd be no training -- we can do whatever we want. Well, as it happened -- none of us had a car on base, so most of us pretty much stayed in our barracks. But the excitement was building for later in the evening when we'd all be bus'd to a church, thats right -- a church off base. Well, I told my loving Drill Sargent that I really wasn't interested in going to a Church but was open to Mc Donald's. This comment turned his smile upside down and he took it upon himself to chastise me in-front of everyone (a good time.) Basically saying that I either go to the Church or stand 24 hour guard. I chose church... it was nice after all getting off the damn base! How bad could a little Jesus be, I thought. We got there late... seemed like an hour long bus ride... I sit through the all cult talk and cool music... standing, sitting, kneeling, whatever... I'm just happy as a pickle in my Drill Sargent's ass to be off the base... or so I thought.
Out come the Converters like an army of ants approaching a pile of dog *****. They select a couple of us and disperse throughout the Church where they begin "converting"... whispering a kinds of Jesus stuff our ears, their voices are so soft and pleasant... quite a departure from my Drill Sargent. I made my converter speak to me for about 30 minutes simple because I found is voice soothing and relaxing ... it was like he was massaging my brain. Well after that I said "Nah... oh, look -- the bus is boarding. Lateron."
I suspect my Drill Sargent got a "report" on my lack of Jesus motivation and found myself running around the barracks for no rational reason -- for about an hour, then doing push ups in front of his office for another hour. The whole time wondering if Jesus ran or did push-ups.
I suspect the DOD uses the break down process in Basic Training to further grab control of trainees by trying to grab their minds and "souls." What better solder than one who will die, if not for his country, in the name of Jesus. - Revwilkinson, on 10/14/2007, -4/+34I'd rather they were force fed delicious chocolate pudding. At least there's no dogma involved with pudding.
- nousplacidus, on 10/10/2007, -14/+40This website is no longer a forum for discussion when phrases like "Christian Filth" are used. A moderate and informed view of a topic is the best way to approach change, phrases like the aforementioned will do nothing but offend and alienate those you wish to inform.
I am a devout Christian and I agree with many of the things people say on this website but broad brush stroke offensive statements, and the lumping all Christians and people of faith into one large category with fanatics is certifiably stupid. - Asianwaste, on 10/14/2007, -2/+27Prove to me you can afford a garage.
- gmprunner, on 10/10/2007, -16/+39You can't force-feed someone an idea. You can show it to them all you want, but they are entirely capable of rejecting it if they wish. Now, if they're being _forced_ to _practice_ the idea, and thus show acceptance to it, then yeah, that's not good at all (and certainly not Christian).
- woodenturkey, on 10/14/2007, -10/+33Well after spending 8 years in the Army I can tell you that Christianity is a little to prevalent, I am a Buddhist and when ever we would have a function a Christian Chaplin would always lead a prayer. This always made me feel very uncomfortable. I would not bow my head and would always get dirty looks from others. I know if i tried to have everyone sit and meditate i would have been laughed at sent away
- Bahimiron, on 10/10/2007, -3/+25Probably because the Christian Science Monitor is one of the most even-handed, accurate and respected news journals in America today.
- Fordi, on 10/10/2007, -2/+24How DARE you impinge upon the name of His Noodly Goodness! May He lay the smite upon you with his Meaty Orbs and all their Power!
- chase001, on 10/14/2007, -28/+50Maybe we could use the military to spread logic and reason and expunge the virus of faith then we wouldn't need armies.
- eximious, on 10/10/2007, -9/+31Mmm. "Christian filth." I love the smell of radicalism in the morning.
- Bahimiron, on 10/10/2007, -8/+30On one hand, I'm prone to digg anything that comes from the CSM and this looks like a pretty important article.
On the other hand, the description is disgusting enough to make me want to block the poster.
Love it or hate it, by referring to it as 'filth' you are officially the one spreading filth. - gmprunner, on 10/10/2007, -8/+29Not all wars are over religion; many are secular, concerning things like resources or territory.
- nullvector, on 10/14/2007, -10/+31Yeah, you're exactly right.
What if the article said "black filth"...."jew filth"....."muslim filth".... then it would be labeled as rediculous and hate-inspired. Seems like picking on one religion specifically is a little biased, especially when the username of the submitter is "ChristPissed"
No, I bet he doesn't have an agenda here. - BrainInAJar, on 10/10/2007, -9/+30historical documentation ? really, because the archaelogical record disagrees with you.
You can just as well say you have historical documentation that one time, long ago, pigs built houses and wolves had sufficient lung capacity to huff and puff and blow them down, provided they weren't made of stone.
some fairy story told to your ancestors at bedtime isn't a historical record. it's a fairytale - jperras, on 10/14/2007, -0/+19No need to prove you wrong, I believe you, cause I have faith man.
- Elwood19k20, on 10/10/2007, -4/+23Obviously neither of you are are familiar with Carl Sagan.
- pintomp3, on 10/10/2007, -7/+25it's a stupid quote.
- Loonacy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+19I have extensive documentation about events that happened a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. Probably a lot more extensive than your documentation about this God guy. What does it prove? That imaginative people can come up with a good story.
- Elwood19k20, on 10/14/2007, -2/+18I agree. When I served, I was never offered the option of having "Atheist" on my dogtags. Instead I was given "Non-Demonization" I guess that meant that I was not a demon. j/k /sarcasm. Actually that is what it means by definition though. Who would have guessed. Evangelicals are just as radical as the jihadists and that is the problem that we face today.
- wtfpwned98, on 10/14/2007, -0/+16Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
- geomon, on 10/14/2007, -3/+19@xen0blue
"There is no room for hate on digg, go back to fellating richard dawkins *****."
What's with Christians and Richard Dawkins?
Is he some kind of Dark Lord, or something?
Keep in mind that he is one scientist (a good one, at that), an atheist (and not the only one, nor does he represent even MOST atheists), and he just writes books (pretty good ones at that).
What, exactly, does that do to you to incite such vile commentary?
Talk about hating... Pot, meet kettle. - webkeeper, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17Yes, wiccans and satanists have prayer meetings, too. They do not, however, have them IN uniform on US government property. It's a little concept called "Seperation of Church and State". I think there's some reference material on the subject in a little document I like to call The Constitution.
- knobidy, on 10/10/2007, -9/+24*****
http://www.atheistfoxholes.org/ - oxigen, on 10/14/2007, -1/+15My friend recently went off to boot camp for the Marine Corps., and he is apparently forced to attend church even though he is an atheist. I don't get it.
- dafragsta, on 10/14/2007, -5/+19Most brainwashing is completely voluntary. I can't even imagine, as I sit here, a day when Christians watched a video of a brainwashing session being performed on a willing audience by a fringe cult. The similarities to their standard Sunday affair might be unsettling.
As an agnostic, I believe that everyone has an innate strong desire for spirituality. As If you are starving and someone offers you a ready cracker, as Eddie Murphy says, that'll be the best damn cracker you've ever had. - FortyCaliber, on 10/10/2007, -3/+16He doesn't have to, nor doesn't he have to, he chooses to "bash." And that is his right.
Once again, what records? The Bible is hardly a "record." - geomon, on 10/14/2007, -1/+13"Pat Tillman was an atheist, and it is widely accepted his death was a result of his "radical" view upon our world."
The only place I've ever seen that statement presented was here, by you.
So much for widely accepted.
Pat Tillman died as the result of friendly fire, but I have never seen nor heard of any report that claimed he was killed because he was an atheist. - tjolson, on 10/14/2007, -0/+12More like the Crusades 2k7
- mushoo, on 10/10/2007, -11/+22You got that right. They're out there fighting while punk bitches like you don't even have to guts to cower in a foxhole because that would inconvenience your prissy douchy life.
Show some ***** respect.
http://www.maaf.info/about.html - PATSCRU, on 10/14/2007, -6/+17Nope, it's happening today! right now! At least the spanish weren't trying to hide anything while it was going on.
- 10001110101, on 10/10/2007, -19/+30Maybe I'm just getting older.. Or maybe I've grown numb from the past 7 years of "Empire Bush".. But, I'm really believing that Vonnegut hit the nail on the head when he said "So it goes."
- jscnet, on 10/14/2007, -2/+13no anger, just relaying story. if you want to find anger, go to a church.
- geomon, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14Yeah, yeah... We've all heard about how school districts across the country are forced to stop saying prayers at official events.
The trouble with these stories is that they are made up. No one can stop anyone from saying a prayer anywhere in the US. Saying a prayer is protected speech under the First Amendment, both as free speech, and as a religious observance. Anyone who tells you differently is lying. That includes all of the fundamentalist organizations who have been posting these ***** articles on numerous forums and throughout USENET for *years*.
The fact is, the only thing that _is_ unconstitutional is a government "sanctioning one religion over any other religion". That is why prayers were removed from schools in the first place. No one could come up with a religiously neutral prayer that ALL denominations and sects could agree on. The state would have been sanctioning the religious observance of one sect by permitting a prayer that only one group could agreed to, but others objected, like Christians over Jews.
So religious groups who would like to re-institute prayer in school try to inflame the discussion by posting these "stories" in the hopes that people will rise up and forget that we live in a constitutional republic, throw out the First Amendment, and force people to follow their beliefs.
Not only is this anti-American, it is anti-Christian. - GreatDrok, on 10/14/2007, -2/+12Our species has an innate strong desire to learn and understand. For most of our history we haven't had the tools to observe reality so we made stuff up to fill in the blanks. Over time, the stuff we made up became accepted as truth and when we were able to observe reality some people got upset that it didn't match their 'truth'. Religion has a long and ridiculous history for being wrong about everything that can be observed. We have pretty much got to the point that the only stuff left in the 'God bin' is stuff that is made up but untestable so the religious people consider untestable == undeniable == true. To protect their 'truth' they talk about 'faith' being needed i.e. don't try and test it. More to the point, their 'truth' doesn't agree with other religion's 'truth' and the resulting arguments can never be won unless one religion wipes out the other. So here we are with people essentially still arguing about how many fairies can dance on the head of a pin......
You can stick your religions, I'll take science any day. - geomon, on 10/10/2007, -8/+18@ZenMojo
Re: expunging faith -
"Didn't Hitler and Stalin do that? Isn't China doing that right ***** now?"
Hitler, no.
Stalin, tried.
China, tried, now regulates. - Fordi, on 10/14/2007, -2/+12Eh. I think of religion as more a mildly contagious emotional glitch.
- Gtitian, on 10/10/2007, -7/+17All religions are equally false, but here in America most of us deal with and relate to Christianity more regularly than other relgions, hence, that's what we talk about. You're right thought, the Christian god is no more false than Odin or Ra or any other deity.
- Pirate45, on 10/14/2007, -2/+12*emotionally charged, hate-filled, intolerant comment*
- sodoh, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10You are aware there are now two seperate churches of the Spaghetti Monster. So you should explain which religion you are talking about so as not to offend the other.
- Fordi, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13Except to show that there actually are atheists in combat, who don't hypocritically turn to a higher power when they're being shot at.
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