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- DeadElephantORG, on 02/06/2008, -11/+73 Support our troops?
* Lie about Iraq's "role" in 9/11.
* Lie about Iraq's supposed weapons of mass destruction.
* Lie about how cheap and easy the war is going to be.
* Send the soldiers on endless tours of duty.
* Treat them like sh#t at Walter Reed.
* Question the manhood any soldier suffering with PTSD.
* And never even allow their coffins to be photographed. - inactive, on 02/06/2008, -15/+75I also gotta say this even though the obama supporters hate to hear it........There is apparently a few levels of "anti-war" ......Starting from the top:
Ron Paul: never funded, was against it before, after, now, and always.
Obama: funded it, says he was against dumb wars (generally speaking), and now opposes it.
Hillary: funded it, in favor of it, now says she isn't for it
Now tell me, where else on the earth can being "anti-war" mean so many different things? You guys need to get your heads on straight, this issue is black and white...you either say and back it up with actions or you don't. - toddcat, on 02/06/2008, -4/+38C'mon now. Yeah, there are some bad troops, but the biggest war criminals are sleeping quietly (hopefully not well) in Washington D.C.
- inactive, on 02/06/2008, -13/+41***** mccain is only talking to generals and higher ups who have power. Those idiots are feeding him *****. The real troops in harms way are voting for Paul because he is honorable and takes his oath seriously, not just paying it lip service. I'm assuming the troops respect that kind of thing because they too take an oath.
Mccain, romney, and huck wipe their ass with the constitution and only give it lip service. - toddcat, on 02/06/2008, -3/+31Those of you troops active or vets: thanks.
- arcangelgabriel, on 02/06/2008, -1/+25I've killed enough people to know. There is no victory. There is only stability, and that is marginal. The ghosts will haunt me forever. All for stability. All for someone else's agenda. Men who sent others to fight for the sake of saving face.
I feel for my marines deployed. I wish them a safe tour, make good decisions. You'll never be perfect, none of us were. Just do the best you can. Be safe and come home. - etjrowe, on 02/06/2008, -1/+21I can't believe anyone would be surprised by this. Only the ignorant support the war. It's depressing that so many people believe that simply because someone like me is on active duty, that I must be a complete moron that blindly believes everything we do is right. I took an oath to support and defend the constitution, this administration doesn't believe in the constitution. But I also swore to obey the orders of those appointed over me. So I will continue to do my job, and hope that enough people vote to end what I consider to be one of the biggest missteps in American history.
- hoffey, on 02/06/2008, -3/+22Innocent people die everyday over there. Doesn't have to be because our troops shot them or not. Our troops being there adds instability to the region. Believe it or not.
- inactive, on 02/06/2008, -11/+29Being against the war is a lunatic fringe position. At least that's what the voters claim, since all the anti-war candidates are being run off (Paul, Kucinich, Gravel). The rest are for the Iraq war and for more wars against Pakistan or Iran.
Ah well. You morons are the ones that are going to be drafted, I have dual citizenship. :) - hoffey, on 02/06/2008, -10/+28I would hardly call Obama 'anti-war'
He continually says he will go into Pakistan when he feels like it, and Iran of course is always on the table. He doesn't want to really bring the troops home, he just wants to move them around the region. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure thats how it plays out.
Dr. Paul on the other hand... now thats a man with a head on his shoulders. We don't have to be policemen of the world, and we can't afford it even if we wanted to. Unless you enjoy being taxed to all hell and losing all your personal liberties, then you might have found your candidate. - hoffey, on 02/06/2008, -1/+16Yeah maybe the draft will open their eyes, only after it is too late though. Damn this country, why can't everyone be a free thinking individual and look at the facts?
- hoffey, on 02/06/2008, -3/+16I'd say 85,000 dead Iraqis is pretty fuct up any way you look at it.
iraqbodycount(dot)org - ussoldier, on 02/06/2008, -2/+15...along with hand written notes that reads "get us the ***** out of here...!"
- purpleviolin, on 02/06/2008, -2/+15Fox spins it "Do the troops hate the troops?"
- XanderDee, on 02/06/2008, -11/+24Also the only man that can stop what is coming...
http://www.digg.com/business_finance/Federal_Reser ... - inactive, on 02/06/2008, -6/+19Why would anyone change who they are voting for because a 'majority' feel he has no chance. This is why a full democracy is retarded. People think "majority rule" is how it should be... It is hardly that and anyone who does change was never a supporter in the first place (probably a bandwagon groupie) .....Paul even said it himself.....he's a conduit for the message of freedom. It won't die with him. The message will continue and I will follow that message wherever it may go. And for the remainder of this election, I'll write in Paul's name if I have to......because I'm not going to jump ship to support some lesser of evils... That is ALWAYS what it comes down to.
I'll let you throw your vote to the downfall of our nation. Personally I'd like to see hillary try to run this country because the only place she's taking it to is into the ground. If that's what the American people need to wake them up to the constitution and Ron Paul, then so be it. - MindStalker, on 02/06/2008, -1/+13Whats REALLY classic is the military obviously knows who's Anti-War, while McCain is STILL winning even today among anti-war republicans, and among republicans who think Bush has done a terrible job.
WTF.. Is it a requirement that you have to leave this country in order to know WTF is going on in it? - XNihil0Zer0, on 02/06/2008, -2/+12All very good points again, But Paul is running as a republican, and most republicans are blinded by the need to confront terrorism, so that they can sleep at night, which is why the other candidates are getting more votes. I wish Paul would win, but to be honest, the country is too stupid for that.
- LinuxGalore, on 02/06/2008, -2/+12The reality is this war in iraq is destroying the USA bit by bit both economically and morally. If you were a terrorist you couldn't plan this mess any better and do as much damage to a proud nation like the USA. The days of imperialism are long gone and if you want to make a difference you have to go out and build schools and offer assistance for nations to grow. With the equivalent money that the USA spends in Iraq every day one could build a training hospital or a University in a poor nation. You know for every dollar the USA spends to help countries develop they get six back in trade. It doesnt take an idiot (although you can vote for one) to realise being a good global citizen has very high dividends but the USA has forgotten this fact over the years. I truly hope the USA gets back on its feet because it would be a shame to see them fall due to such simple minded stupidity.
- PhilLesh69, on 02/06/2008, -2/+12No, ignore ImpeaCheney, and just think logically.
The troops are tired, worn out and confused about what their mission really is, or serves.
Many soldiers are on their 4th and 5th rotations, serving their 4th or 5th tours in Iraq or Afghanistan. None of them imagined they were enlisting into the military for this level of conflict.
Think about it. These kids grew up in a time where we went overseas, did a job, and returned home within a few weeks, or a few months. It was never years, or year upon year. These guys volunteered with the idea that we were so strong that we could knock out any threat in weeks, maybe months. They weren't signing up for serving 3 or 4 combat tours.
You have to wonder why suicide rates are as high, or higher, than during the Vietnam war. These guys are coming home ***** up. Seriously ***** up. They wanted to serve their country, and they got put through the grinder. Then, many of them were turned around and put through that grinder again, and some of them were then put through it again.
Have mercy on these guys. They know more about what our political leadership will do to further a goal than any of us mortgage paying SUV driving Nascar fans will ever know. We can support the troops by putting a magnetic "support our troops" on our SUVs, which makes us feel patriotic, but these guys were blown up, shot at and had to live under seriously harsh conditions.
Unless you ever sent a care package to anysoldier.com, to be sent to some random, anonymous soldier, you should shut the ***** up. If you support Bush, but have never sent a pack of ziplocks, a 32 pack of AA batteries and a dozen socks to some random soldier, you are a poser who wants to feel good about war while sitting at home enjoying your drywall or plumbing job.
Some of us even sent a refrigerator to troops in Camp Anaconda.
But we're just liberals.
That shows how stupid the neocons are. I'm a lifelong conservative, but I disagree with Bush. I especially disagree with Rumsfeld and his theory of the evolution of military affairs. The military believes in winning, not some evolution. - SC4RP, on 02/06/2008, -2/+12May God Bless you and I thank you for what you have done. I do not agree with the powers that sent you but you did the job given to you and I believe each American owes the armed forces a thank you.
- GoKings, on 02/06/2008, -3/+12So wait... The message wasn't "Let us win"? ***** McCain...
- moskaudancer, on 02/06/2008, -1/+9This really is a "well, duh" kind of statement. Soldiers know better than the folks back home how horrible war can be. I guess McCain is must be the exception that proves the rule.
- inactive, on 02/06/2008, -2/+10Well then we agree with each other, this country is too stupid :-)
- jorazzle, on 02/06/2008, -4/+11sorry vet but the ***** on you. these numbers have been independantly confirmed by many, many sources over the last few days. thinkprogress didn't just make it up.
not only that, but Dr. Paul got more contributions from active military members THAN ALL OTHER CANDIDATES COMBINED - Chandon, on 02/06/2008, -1/+8If it were just an issue of numbers, Ron Paul would have gotten much more coverage than he has. Interestingly, the media changed which numbers they were interested in as Paul met their goals. Fundraising is the most important number? He's #1 for the quarter, so they switch to rigged polls. Then he comes in #3 in Iowa, but he was still a "fringe candidate". No way it's just about numbers.
- lasenorita, on 02/06/2008, -1/+8Forty cents of every dollar spent in Iraq goes to private military contractors. We're not spending that money on proper safety gear for troops. We're giving it to corporations like KBR so that they can provide lousy laundry service and charge $99 a bag. They're holding lavish parties at our expense while our troops are languishing in battle zones. If you think that the money is being used to take better care of soldiers whose tours of duty has been extended yet again, please re-evaluate. I highly recommend the eye-opening documentary "Iraq For Sale: The War Profiteers".
There's a reason why the Constitution gives Congress the sole power to declare war and the power to control the purse strings. While the President oversees the actual war, Congress has the authority to put an end to it by withholding all funds for the mission. If sitting Congress members will not stand up for the long-term well-being of our men and women, then they're not fit to be Commander-In-Chief of the U.S. military. - jmpeagle, on 02/06/2008, -3/+9too bad the troops hate America and don't support the troops. Also, the troops are government shills...guess who pays them...the government.
- Niirs, on 02/06/2008, -1/+7Actually the Law just prohibits troops from actively assisting a party (can't work at their HQ), can not wear a military uniform to a rally or parade, can not solicit votes (and obviously we can not tell subordinates who to vote for, some places even will not let you have a bumper sticker if you are high rank) but we are free to donate money to a candidate.
- OMGIAMTHEMAN, on 02/06/2008, -0/+6huckabee went from nowhere to a major contender - it had everything to do with media allowing him to pitch himself as the evangelical candidate
- TDDM, on 02/06/2008, -7/+13Extra extra, read all about it, people don't enjoy dying!
- dualboy24, on 02/06/2008, -0/+5Funding it is what has kept it running. And a great deal of the money spent doesn't help the troops stationed. Then again I suppose its got to increase health care costs for them after with 20% troops suffering head injuries.
- inactive, on 02/06/2008, -3/+8Obama's explanation, once again, is a cop out for voting for the war man. You show support by sending further supplies. The troops wont be put in harms way if they dont have supplies so it's a moot point. He knows he made the mistake in funding it now but he has nothing else to say to recoup the bad decision he made. I wish you guys could see past his excuse and lay into him about it. He's not a perfect candidate.
- cheesehead, on 02/06/2008, -3/+8He has/had better numbers than the America's 911 Saint, Ghouliani,
- Herostratus, on 02/06/2008, -1/+5Dude, you might want to consider coming back to the states for a minute so you can see how much of a Totalitarian police state this once great nation that was supposed to be free has become. Maybe you will pick up arms to defend it from itself for a change instead of blowing the ***** out of some poor brown people cause your commanding officer told you to, cause the Military Industrial Complex told him to.
- inactive, on 02/06/2008, -5/+9Its good to know that the military doesn't have a complete stranglehold on its rank and file. Though i would like to point out that Obama is more an anti-war candidate in speech then actual action (and definitely when compared with Kucinich or Paul).
- inactive, on 02/06/2008, -1/+5Like I said random19, how you can support Ron Paul and Obama? Two entirely different outlooks on the issues. I mean if you look at obama in comparison to hillary, yes he looks a bit less of a disaster but that disaster is going to happen one way or another. Writing in Paul's name in the general election is similar to not even turning out to vote. Once enough people are so turned off by the election (likely hillary vs mccain EEEK), it'll show the population that nobody cares anymore because the deck is stacked.
- PhilLesh69, on 02/06/2008, -1/+5Just think logically.
The troops are tired, worn out and confused about what their mission really is, or serves.
Many soldiers are on their 4th and 5th rotations, serving their 4th or 5th tours in Iraq or Afghanistan. None of them imagined they were enlisting into the military for this level of conflict.
Think about it. These kids grew up in a time where we went overseas, did a job, and returned home within a few weeks, or a few months. It was never years, or year upon year. These guys volunteered with the idea that we were so strong that we could knock out any threat in weeks, maybe months. They weren't signing up for serving 3 or 4 combat tours.
You have to wonder why suicide rates are as high, or higher, than during the Vietnam war. These guys are coming home ***** up. Seriously ***** up. They wanted to serve their country, and they got put through the grinder. Then, many of them were turned around and put through that grinder again, and some of them were then put through it again.
Have mercy on these guys. They know more about what our political leadership will do to further a goal than any of us mortgage paying SUV driving Nascar fans will ever know. We can support the troops by putting a magnetic "support our troops" on our SUVs, which makes us feel patriotic, but these guys were blown up, shot at and had to live under seriously harsh conditions.
Unless you ever sent a care package to anysoldier.com, to be sent to some random, anonymous soldier, you should shut the ***** up. If you support Bush, but have never sent a pack of ziplocks, a 32 pack of AA batteries and a dozen socks to some random soldier, you are a poser who wants to feel good about war while sitting at home enjoying your drywall or plumbing job.
Some of us even sent a refrigerator to troops in Camp Anaconda.
But we're just liberals.
That shows how stupid the neocons are. I'm a lifelong conservative, but I disagree with Bush. I especially disagree with Rumsfeld and his theory of the evolution of military affairs. The military believes in winning, not some evolution. - carlieq25, on 02/06/2008, -0/+4It is unfortunate that you would confuse anti-war and anti-bush with "no sense of duty, honor or country, and you don't appreciate in the slightest what our troops are doing for you". I have nothing but respect for the American troops. I also believe that we should stop policing the world. I don't agree with the war in Iraq and I never have. That is not saying I am against the troops. This is not like Vietnam where some confuse being against the war with being against those fighting it. People in this country have great respect for the sacrifices that the troops make; however, the majority also believe this is a bull-***** war and the troops deserve to come home. All we want is for people like you to be able to come home and be with your families, stop risking your lives and in too many cases losing them for a mentally deficient man's self-serving policies.
- bmdubya, on 02/06/2008, -0/+4America as we knew it is long gone. But thats what we get for spending so much time in front of a television screen.
- keenfrenzy, on 02/06/2008, -0/+4I'm pretty sure Rome was greater than the USA in terms of land control and economy, and they fell, just as we will for falsely assuming that our greatness gives us the authority to promote our agenda everywhere else on the planet.
- 89992, on 02/06/2008, -3/+7The problem with this article is Obama is not Anti-War, he just says he is. Ron Paul actually is.
- AustinMandi, on 02/06/2008, -0/+4Yeah, and Paul is more anti-war in action. Which is better, talking the talk or walking the walk?
- keenfrenzy, on 02/06/2008, -0/+4Nowhere in the Constitution does it say we are supposed to control governments, kill citizens and build military installations abroad in order to promote the agenda of the rulers of the United States. You can't even say it is in the interest of the people when a vast majority don't believe in the war and want it ended immediately.
The government we elect is supposed to represent us as citizens and keep our domestic interests at the forefront of all decisions made, but instead they spend the money they steal off of the paychecks we've earned to promote their own interests abroad, whether they be for personal gain or for the benefit of some false crusade to punish those who believe differently than they.
It is not our responsibility as a nation to police the world, nor do we have the resources to do so. Our policing the world makes the false assumption that we are the law makers for all humanity and that what we as Americans believe and do is the infallible truth. When we can't even take care of our own people and keep our own economy under control, how can we tell other nations how to live their lives? Stop thinking that just because you're (most likely) white and (in comparison to the world standard) rich that we have the authority to dictate how everyone else on the planet lives. - piktograf, on 02/06/2008, -1/+5What do you think these troops joined the armed forces because they are patriotic ? These poor people were looking for free tuition and jobs at the expense of the government. GI bills and other hand outs. Now they are in the thick of war they realize what they got themselves into. It is always the poor who is the pawn in the game. No wonder why they are contributing money to the anti-war candidates. I haven't heard of any member of the armed forces who come wealthy educated families. Have you ? They are either rural or inner city as always. Have you ever seen any advertisements (bill boards and such) displayed in very upper middle class neighborhoods in this country ? I dare you to put one up near a wealthy exclusive neighborhood !
- inactive, on 02/06/2008, -2/+6this is highly revealing.
- cathpah, on 02/06/2008, -2/+6you read too many internet conspiracy pages and not enough scientific facts/realities.
- QuantumBios, on 02/06/2008, -5/+9Buried as inaccurate because Obama is pro-war.
- Benjaphil, on 02/06/2008, -2/+6 they have them(bumper stickers) all over the police cars as well as the busses/ambulances in canada now, Or at least where i live.
Does anyone even bother to put serious consideration what exactly constitutes supporting our troops?
it just seems ridiculous to have such a vague statement plastered all over the place. I don't know what it makes you think but it immidiately makes me assume that we should support the war, and not the troops. - theelectricafro, on 02/06/2008, -3/+7Obama vs Paul : let the voting record speak for itself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVKSfwfy0h8
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