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- lukifer, on 12/16/2007, -5/+58Kucinich vs. Paul 2008. Make it happen, America; let's take our country back.
- SeethisPass, on 12/16/2007, -12/+37When a good man is not supported by the people, guess what they will end up with? I donated to Kucinich. Where were you all?
- Shigatsu, on 12/16/2007, -4/+29I'm in favor of both candidates, Id like to see them both bring in a good size haul in time for end of quarter. I have a hunch the RP teaparty will be more successful. I think Kucinich would be a better choice for the president, but Paul seems to have a more active group of supporters. I sincerely hope that Dennis brings in his expected goal, or at least enough to make turn heads. Although the bill of rights probably couldn't be more appropriate an anniversary for such a great candidate, I suspect it will be overshadowed by the Ron Paul campaign raisings.
It sucks that someone didn't come up with the idea a bit earlier on, because many of those who support Paul also support Dennis.
However with the two fundraising dates back to back, it sort of puts supporters in a one or the other position especially this close to Christmas. That established I think given the popularity of Paul that the tea party should be a good success. I think given the prospects of how close it actually is, the success of this will be interesting, as it will show that Freedom is the best Christmas gift America can get.
I live in Canada, so I cannot donate, but I make sure to do my part and spread the word around when events occur. I'm well aware of what Canada's facing if things continue on the current trend in the US. The same can probably be said all over the world. The failings of foreign policy, to the economic struggles over the horizon affect much more than just one nation.
Good luck, I'm hoping for the most from the kucinich money-bomb, and I'm also hoping to see a Kucinich/Paul ticket 08, I think that paul working with Elizabeth and Dennis would be a solid force in the white house, yet a balanced one. They would keep each other focused on pushing the best for America. Let us hope... because if one of them doesn't get in.. well I don't think I need to finish that for this particular thread, we all know what's at stake by this point. - posttime29, on 12/16/2007, -2/+25strength through peace
- askantik, on 12/16/2007, -9/+26KUCINICH '08!
- spyd3rweb, on 12/16/2007, -2/+13Wasn't this yesterday?
- bluesnowmonkey, on 12/16/2007, -3/+14So, 12/15 is over. How did the drive go?
- thebellmaster1x, on 12/16/2007, -3/+13Fantastic. So keep it in a story that's actually ABOUT Ron Paul.
- ncairns, on 12/16/2007, -12/+22Didn't you get the memo?
This ISN'T ***** ABOUT RON PAUL. - betterth, on 12/16/2007, -2/+11Wtf?
Paul has been INCREDIBLY OUTSPOKEN about how our constitution has been ripped up, trampled on and pissed on (not those words, but basically ) by this current administration.
Please go watch ANY youtube video on Paul.
You'll find at least four references to reinstating the constitution as the supreme law of the land as a first and foremost goal of a Paul presidency. - thebellmaster1x, on 12/16/2007, -2/+11Where did you ever get the idea that he wouldn't end the war?
http://dk2008.us/endthewar - andrew1193, on 12/16/2007, -13/+22Kucinich supporters are not supporters of the Bill of Rights. To be a supporter of the Bill of Rights, you must support all of them. This includes:
- Amendment I, which recognizes and protects the right to commercial speech and prohibits anti-discriminations laws enforced against private entities,
- Amendment II, which recognizes the rights of individuals to own guns,
- Amendment V, which also prohibits anti-discrimination laws applied to private entities without just compensation, prohibits environmental takings without just compensation, etc.
- Amendment IX, which recognizes those rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights,
- Amendment X, which says that the powers not granted to the federal government under the Constitution are left to the states or to the people.
Dennis Kucinich and his supporters are against the Bill of Rights, as they do not support the full scope of the Amendments I mentioned. - swoopdog, on 12/16/2007, -1/+9Kucinich and Paul
the bill of rights and the constitution bringing it back to the basics! - maiku00, on 12/16/2007, -5/+13Kucinich is the only person who is running for a not-for-profit single payer health care system, like EVERY SINGLE OTHER WESTERN DEMOCRACY besides the USA has. He hasn't been bought out by the multibilion dollar corrupt and inept insurance industry.
- thebellmaster1x, on 12/16/2007, -3/+11I can't possibly imagine why you guys are accused of spamming.
- avengingturnip, on 12/16/2007, -4/+11It was all downhill from there.
- zappa717, on 12/16/2007, -1/+8I did too.
- arcooke, on 12/16/2007, -0/+7Now that's a war worth fighting.
- sclifford, on 12/16/2007, -1/+8Thank you, Dennis! Would that Senator Paul Wellstone was still with us.
Give 'em hell! - betterth, on 12/16/2007, -4/+11I'm watching the Paul graphs... the Tea Party in the first hour doubled the donation rate and beat the max number of Nov 5 donaters by a large margin, almost double. If it continues at this pace it will be an EPIC day, lol.
Actually, after looking at the numbers, if it continues at this rate he will in fact reach the goal of 10m in a single day. Lunacy. - jdaniel284, on 12/16/2007, -5/+11I dugg this article, but I already gave Ron Paul $200 today.
- Akaji, on 12/16/2007, -4/+10Thank you, UtubReptilian. You convinced me to log in just to bury and block you for linking to your own story.
- Tweekster, on 12/16/2007, -3/+9ron paul supporters are not spammers, i cant believe anyone ever come to that conclusion.
i wish you an early happy 18th birthday, in 2012 - pintomp3, on 12/16/2007, -2/+8this is digg. it's always about ron paul.
- DiggzDE, on 12/16/2007, -1/+7Sadly, I think everyone is busy mourning the death of it.
- snapcase, on 12/16/2007, -2/+7I'd love to see Paul vs. Kucinich.
The one thing I don't like about Kucinich is that he says he wants to make the government Constitutional and that he supports and believes in the Bill of Rights yet he doesn't support all of it. Just as the easiest example I'll mention his stance on the 2nd Amendment. In my opinion you either support the WHOLE Bill of Rights or you don't. I don't like when a politician picks and chooses which parts they want to support.
That being said, he's still the best democratic choice we have and would like to see him in office second only to RP. - Anub1s, on 12/16/2007, -0/+5Okay, so you linked to an article you submitted, which had another link to another story you submitted in it....wow, you are like the ultimate tool.
- inactive, on 12/16/2007, -2/+7Talk about damming with faint praise
- jdaniel284, on 12/16/2007, -5/+10Yeah, I have real trouble with Kucinich's obsession with banning private gun ownership. I love his excitement over the U.S. Constititution, but this is the one reason I could never support him. I don't support the "pick-and-choose" philosophy when it comes to our rights. That is what got us in this mess in the first place.
- JDex, on 12/16/2007, -3/+7So where's the number? How much was raised? I like Kucinich because he's honest, irrespective of my disagreement with most of his views.
- swoopdog, on 12/16/2007, -1/+5I love em both for different reasons.
my money is with paul lets let freedom ring america! - Borramakot, on 12/16/2007, -4/+8Wait... Dennis is constitutional? Universal healthcare is one of the seventeen enumerated powers now? Paying for healthcare must be the same as regulating commerce between the states. (Seriously, that is the most likely constitutional support for a single payer system).
Ill give you most of those, but when did he ever say the flag burning thing? - Borramakot, on 12/16/2007, -1/+5He has said that he regretted sinding the impeachment bill to committee. He said the he supported impeachment, but thought it should go through all the proper channels, like Clinton's.
- shunter99, on 12/16/2007, -2/+5Still a couple of hours left in the day for those on the West coast.
- colberrep, on 12/16/2007, -0/+3With the exception of Dennis Kucinich, the Democratic presidential hopefuls sidestep an inconvenient truth: only a single-payer system of national health care can save what we estimate is the $350 billion wasted annually on medical bureaucracy and redirect those funds to expanded coverage. Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Edwards and Mr. Obama tout cost savings through computerization and improved care management, but Congressional Budget Office studies have found no evidence for these claims.
- redfox2600, on 12/16/2007, -3/+6Paul is a doctor, he obeying his Hippocratic Oath.
"I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art." - andrew1193, on 12/16/2007, -0/+3"The right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is an independent clause that does not depend on being a member of a militia.
- inactive, on 12/16/2007, -4/+7Where in the Constitution or Bill of Rights is the Separation of Church and State clause?
- njcarlos, on 12/16/2007, -2/+5He DOES think Bush violated the constitution... why do you think he said he would rather NOT have Bush's recommendation -- he thinks it would hurt his credibility! Hell, regardless of every other violation, he thinks Bush declared an illegal war. What else do you want?
- SolCheetah, on 12/16/2007, -2/+5rjwusa, you are taking the 1st amendment out of context.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion is quite clear. Churches are a religious establishment. Laws which respect them, that treat them as special rather than just another organization, are unconstitutional. It's simple. This in no way damages religion, or bans it. It it fact strengthens it by removing it from government. The phrase 'wall separating religion and government' is a shorthand for the meaning and purpose of this section of the Bill of Rights. Look up the origin of that phrase (hint: Thomas Jefferson). It is a mandate that church and state are separate.
Similar shorthand is used speaking of the 'right to privacy'. Those words don't appear in the Bill of Rights, but they are still a right, implicit in parts of the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 9th and 14th amendments. Parts of those rights can't exist without a right to privacy.
Wall of separation between government and religion in no way pushes religious expression out of the public square. It pushes it out of the government square only. Stand on a public sidewalk and say anything you want on religion? Sure. Put up a religious monument in a government building? Unconstitutional. Get the difference?
A President having a private dinner where he talks about religion? All good. A President speaking to the nation telling them to pray? Now we have problems.
People that read their own interpretation of these documents rather than reading the letters and writings of the founding squabbling brothers that wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights are doing the US a disservice. - inactive, on 12/16/2007, -0/+3"There are many constitutional scholars who think this only refers to the right of any member of the militia"
No there aren't, unless by "constitutional scholars" you mean ***** lobbyists who have no voice on matters of constitutional law. There are much better arguments against gun control. Why do you insist on clinging to the weakest one? - gibbwake, on 12/16/2007, -0/+2Huh? No they got it backwards, today is the Ron Paul money bomb day, hes raised over 2 million so far this morning. Dennis' money bomb was saturday, he got like $150k Ron Paul gets that every minute or so.
- colberrep, on 12/16/2007, -1/+3just because ron paul is against illegal wars does NOT make him fit to be president. he would privatize everything and hand it all over to corporations to run over us unregulated.
- bwjacket, on 12/16/2007, -18/+20As a proud Clevelander, lemme just say... Ron Paul '08.
Dennis has some fantastic mojo, don't get me wrong, but Paul is more likely. - purzzzell, on 12/16/2007, -0/+2I was wondering about that.
- thebellmaster1x, on 12/16/2007, -0/+2Borramakot, I'm quickly coming to the realization that you're just an idiot. FFS, America is an indirect democracy. Believe it or not, the population is well aware of the fact that we don't vote directly on legislation. Stop being a pedantic ass.
By the way, you're lucky that I read your post right--you switched around democracy and republic in your first sentence. - 3tcp, on 12/16/2007, -0/+2I tried to find out but it's impossible to know, he doesn't make his fundrasing information public in real-time the way ron paul does (I only mention him because he's the only other candidate to use 'money-bomb' events).
I would expect them to have some kind of news release though if it was a significant amount, that's the only way to get it mentioned in national media. - pintomp3, on 12/16/2007, -3/+5try the first amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
- fraterm, on 12/16/2007, -0/+2This is from a Ron Paul supporter, not spamming, just recognizing that Kucinich is a respectable fellow and an ally of Rons where their interests coincide. I wish you the best today. Dennis vs Paul would be a great and meaningful contest, unlike for instance Clinton vs Romney.
- 955701, on 12/16/2007, -0/+2Remember, Paul is running for the Republican nomincation, Dennis for the Democrat. Donate to both until after the primaries. It won't hurt the other.
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