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American CheckMate Near at Hand

roncan.com — The pieces are in place, the trap is set, all they need is a match: PNAC, Chertoff, Gulf of Tonkin, Cheney pushing Bush, Congress on a break, Bush's new Exec Order, USS Enterprise moving into place, and warnings from insiders. P.S. They're not just going after Iran.

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  • apexim, on 10/11/2007, -69/+43spread info to police and military folks we need to inform them so they dont shot us in the streets......

    get involved with Ron Paul movement to stop this fascist tyranny before its too late !
    • gernblansted, on 10/11/2007, -5/+5Ron Paul doesn't have the power to do anything.
    • hmunkey, on 10/11/2007, -8/+4If Ron Paul became president he would abolish the Department of Defense and Homeland Security. Terrorists would have a party.

      This is why I vote for Clinton, she has Liberal views, but economically is moderate. She also won't get rid of vital agencies.
      • LordSalisbury, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I'd rather have to shoot terrorists myself, than give tons of my money to one particular department so it can buy tons of weapons and enable the government to do things like what's been done to Iraq and risk the Executive branch use that militant faction of the federal government to enforce it's will.

        Also, it really pisses me off that because you are scared ***** of a particular type of criminal behavior, you think I should have to sacrifice, to the government, part of the wealth that I PRODUCE for other PEOPLE (not governments) so that YOU can feel more at ease with the knowledge that ...

        1) you don't have to worry about actually upholding YOUR responsibility to defend yourself, your family, and your property since you've made that the job of an organization that sends you and your family to fight ITS wars and takes your property to build highways and for other reasons that government determines to be in ITS interests

        2) in the name of the GOVERNMENT'S assumed job of carrying out YOUR responsibilities, it can take large chunks of MY wealth, by force if deemed necessary.

        You are the road down which tyrants march their armies toward free societies.
      • 4chin8, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Have you checked into the mysterious deaths that surround the Clinton's? I don't think supporting Hillary and the associated drug cartel is anything to brag about.
  • LoneRanger85, on 10/11/2007, -147/+42Man, there isn't enough medication in the world to treat all the paranoid delusion disorders out there. Buried as wrong topic. This is NOT news.
    • Onetrack, on 10/11/2007, -18/+32Not news? Open your eyes man.

      You'll say its not news when you get drafted, and your house is seized for saying no
      • jcm267, on 10/11/2007, -10/+12And just what do you base this assessment on?
      • unreg, on 10/11/2007, -23/+11
        This delusional message brought to you by the fine folks of "Ron Paul - Tin Foil Hats For Everyone"

        • tremor_tj, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Unfortunately, it only takes a few conspiracy nuts to make all of us look bad. But please, don't lump us all into that group. Many of us just want to get back to a constitutional government.
      • Pixelante, on 10/11/2007, -11/+3And why should you say no? Don't want to fight? Here's finally your chance to show your l33t sk1llz. You mean all those hours playing Counterstrike were just, hm, playtime? You mean you're not such a total badass in RL? Now you're telling me you would lead the rebellion against the US Government but are AFRAID TO FIGHT?

        Man, you let me down.
    • mrfreeziexp, on 10/11/2007, -8/+31I used to think that. But as I thought of what I was going to say in response to you, in which I would probably bash Bush, the new anti-war law flashed into my mind. I then thought I wouldn't say anything, in fear that the possibility of having all my assets seized was a reality, just for saying something against the war. I then realized how immensely sick, and disturbing that is. I asked myself, in horror, "what kind of President would do this?" Obviously it would have to be one very disconnected from the people. But isn't that Bush? He doesn't even want to hear their opinions anymore! He has outlawed it!

      So why would he start listening to us now about iran? He wouldn't, and won't.
      • jcm267, on 10/11/2007, -12/+7You seem to think it's unprecedented.... but sedition has been a crime in this country and wasn't overturned. Congress just let it expire.
        • mightyzug, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4and that makes it ok doesn't it?? you dumbass neocon piece of *****.
    • DestroyFascism, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7LoneRanger85 You have no concept of history!
    • feckineejit, on 10/11/2007, -7/+4no concept of reality either.
    • goodkidyo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2There is definitely more than enough medication. The problem is Americas health plan.
    • computergod, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1This whole thing (including the Digg story) reads like something you would hear on Art Bell's Coast to Coast radio show.
  • Chas555, on 10/11/2007, -15/+47There is alot of truth to this ... Syria has called all of there citizens to move from lebanon by Jul 15 too ... there is alot of things transpiring. Weird that a third aircraft carrier will be in the gulf on the 30th of July when Congress has recess for the month of August
    • iamlutheran, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Yeah, and it's a coincidence too that Chertoff says he has a gut feeling there might be another terrorist attack. Hmmm... Gee, I wonder what false flag attack they will think of this time. :-/
      • neozeed, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I think they are going to torpedo the Enterprise. What crazy nutball thing do you think Cheney has on the go?

        Either way it will end in Martial Law & the annexing of Canada & Mexico...
    • Sukrillux, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Yeah, what's not news is that there were 3 there two months ago or so. I think that the total is up to four or five now. (I have heard that this recent carrier arrival is to replace one... so it may just be four... one of which has nuclear capabilities)
      • ShadowMerchant, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3They all have nuclear capabilities.
  • tyywebb, on 10/11/2007, -27/+99I can't believe there's really a USS Enterprise.
    • bigboy101011, on 10/11/2007, -3/+40the name is older than star trek, there has been ships named Enterprise for centuries, just watch the intro to "Enterprise" the show.
      • microchp, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7And almost every episode is based on historical events from the first Earth we lived on.
        • unreg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2
          That was before the rag tag fleet, right?

    • hippykiller, on 10/11/2007, -7/+5Ya and I also can not believe you could call an entire aircraft carrier expendable. But we shall see.
      • LakeshoreBaby, on 10/11/2007, -6/+11LBJ thought the USS Liberty was expendable when he ordered Israel to attack it in 1967 and blame it on Egypt to provoke war.
      • neozeed, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2When it's the oldest of the fleet, yeah I call it expendible. Just like the trillions that the DoD can't account for, admitted it, then the next day the accounting department was blown up in the Pentagon....
    • Moskie, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17Someone needs to rent Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.
    • localzuk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Yep, there is - and it is a name that has been in use since 1775 whilst there have been HMS Enterprise's in the British Navy since 1705 following the capture of a French vessel of the same name.
    • DestroyFascism, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6USS Enterprise Used to transfer Gold from Australia......in the 1800's but then she had 3 masts...///
    • ph33rpwn, on 10/11/2007, -6/+3CAPTAIN JEAN-LUC PICARD OF THE USS ENTERPRISE!
      • tyywebb, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2You don't deserve to wear that uniform.
    • SushiCW, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Chekov: Admiral. We have found the nuclear wessel.
      Kirk: Well done, Team 2.
      Chekov: And Admiral... it is the Enterprise.
    • ihate2reg4u, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Yes, and it's a nuclear wessel.
  • Junkyarddawg, on 10/11/2007, -54/+22Heh, the Prisonplanet ***** are working overtime lately!
    Geez, they'll sure be disappointed when the US isn't a dictatorship in a years time. Oh wait, they already think that it is - and is run by the UN and the Illuminati!
    • jcm267, on 10/11/2007, -15/+23How the ***** did digg deteriorate so fast? Until this troofer nonsense took over there wasn't much we could agree on. Now there's hardly any debate, just a bunch of us supposed government plants or members of the "bury brigade" ridiculing these imbeciles.
    • TopherT, on 10/11/2007, -7/+30Yeah, this stuff is junk, but what would things look like it it were true? What are the warning signs in a country which is slipping into fascism? Certainly we've seen some unprecedented moves, some rights we've lost only opening the way for new levels of government influence. Shouldn't we be at least conscious of a past in which nation states have fallen into the hands of elite power brokers, strongmen and military types?
      • Junkyarddawg, on 10/11/2007, -13/+10Oh, I agree the US is inching towards fascism, that this is a bad thing, and that it should be opposed.

        In fact, that's the reason I oppose troofers and conspiracy nuts: they completely discredits the whole debate with their paranoid delusions. There are real, important, issues at stake here, and they ***** the debate up with their fantasies about NWO, Illuminati, space aliens, Satan, NAU, and their ironically named "9/11 truth".
  • billymumphrey, on 10/11/2007, -23/+10I once checkmated an opponent in a game of chess.
    • Asianwaste, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7But you've lost every other time?
  • Al89, on 10/11/2007, -27/+12Mad as a bag of spanners
  • overtoke, on 10/11/2007, -12/+41Preempt Bush
    • cfulp, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1My roommate just got out of the army after serving in Iraq. And my other roommate has been out of the marines for about 3 years. When they get letter that renew thier contracts, then we're going to war. Until then, I'm unconvinced.
  • Samzo, on 10/11/2007, -18/+4damb.
  • expat001, on 10/11/2007, -48/+9If you vote for Ron Paul your ignorant, selfish, and an idiot.

    • Sukrillux, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Is that a fact? Give me a link to where it says that in the Constitution or Bible. You sound as if you are stating a fact. I have never seen that. Who do you suppose that we vote for? Since you are so knowledgeable. If you vote for Ron Paul, you're educated, concerned, and an American patriot! ...imo
    • EmmanuelGoldstn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@Expat001 - I'd be interested to hear your opinion of those who voted for Bush.
  • thedailycolumns, on 10/11/2007, -22/+3George Bush KILLED by a wannabe rapper
  • thedailycolumns, on 10/11/2007, -20/+1http://thedailycolumns.wordpress.com/2007/06/27/50-paise-vs-george-w-bush/
    GEORGE BUSH KILLED BY A RAPPER
  • BonerMachine, on 10/11/2007, -23/+59dugg to piss off the anti-Ron Paul crowd.
    • andrewgreve, on 10/11/2007, -8/+22No one is actually anti-RP. They're all just pentagon spam-bots.
      • DragonI2od, on 10/11/2007, -7/+4I doubt it. They're not that smart.
    • newsninja, on 10/11/2007, -19/+6Buried to piss you, the lone Ron Paul supporter, off
      • mike17032, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2We will get our laughs on election day, when RP gets less than 1% of the vote and fades back into nothingness.
    • Junkyarddawg, on 10/11/2007, -14/+6Sure, Boner. At least be honest and admit you're deluded enough that you really believe this crap.
      OH LOOK OUT, A BLACK CHOPPER! RUN!
    • omarciddo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2This story has almost nothing to do with Ron Paul himself! It's just telling what moves the administration is making and the possible dire consequences. Both Ron Paul zealots and anti-Ron Paul zealots need to shut up and look at what's actually there.
  • topace3000, on 10/11/2007, -19/+14It's not going to happen. I hope everyone out there who sincerely believes this stuff will re-evaluate their way of thinking 4-6 months from now when they realize the war with Iran never happened.
    • expat001, on 10/11/2007, -6/+7They won't just like they haven't since the last time we went through this in October.
    • unreg, on 10/11/2007, -12/+7These ass clowns are the same ones who believed that civilization would collapse on 1/1/00, that 9-11 was an inside job and the Iraq war was about boosting Haliburtons profits.

      They're like religious zealots, but without a religion. They'll just find something new to preach about.
      • Airforcefalco, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7FYI the name of the war in Iraq was first called Operation for Iraqi Liberation or for short OIL. Doesn't get much plainer then that.

        Not to include the payoff Chaney has received and will continue to receive and all those no bid contracts over there.
    • williamdyer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Have you considered that the pounding the failure in Iraq has taken from the people might have prevented war with Iran, if, in fact, we manage to avoid it?
    • ryryindo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6i was told the same thing you said when i was protesting against the upcoming war in iraq back in early 2002.
      ...funny how that one worked out
  • Pootle4rthur, on 10/11/2007, -5/+46There is cause enough to concerned about the machinations within the White House, and it's clear that the VP is chomping at the bit to have a pop at Iran. The concern that once there is a proper state of war or an excuse (terrorist incident on US soil) for the President to suspend the forthcoming elections and not stand down, is not utterly unreasonable given the current administration's limp regard for law, the US constitution and due process.
    To attempt to summarise such concerns in weak bullet point form of varying validity, and attach it to a election manifesto is unfortunate, and detracts from the value of those points which aren't utterly unfounded causes for concern.
    • fredgarvin1138, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2"is not utterly unreasonable"

      Yes, it is.
  • Pootle4rthur, on 10/11/2007, -19/+7There is cause enough to concerned about the machinations within the White House, and it's clear that the VP is chomping at the bit to have a pop at Iran. The concern that once there is a proper state of war or an excuse (terrorist incident on US soil) for the President to suspend the forthcoming elections and not stand down, is not utterly unreasonable given the current administration's limp regard for law, the US constitution and due process.
    To attempt to summarise such concerns in weak bullet point form of varying validity, and attach it to a election manifesto is unfortunate, and detracts from the value of those points which aren't utterly unfounded causes for concern.
    • LakeshoreBaby, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Two double negatives in one post. Makes it really difficult to understand what you are trying to say.
  • MrHappy123, on 10/11/2007, -5/+9So what will be the Sacrifice be for this time's checkmate against Iran?
    • oirvine, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4The USS Enterprise from the tone of the piece. Not that I buy what the guy is saying.
  • UtopiaInTheSky, on 10/11/2007, -21/+33Everyone blames the US government for controlling the people with fear. And now this article? Now even the nutjobs are trying to control us with fear. Give me a damn break, please!
    • MrHappy123, on 10/11/2007, -7/+9It's always been the media that has been spreading fear, not the gov't!
      • egrumling, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5No, the media is no longer doing their job when it comes to reporting the government message. They are not providing any context, like they used to, because they get a lot of pressure from the corporate parent, who wants to avoid pissing off the government. (man that was a long sentence). It is not an intentional conspiracy, but simple laziness and poor reporting by a bunch of people who were hired because they are pretty, not smart.
      • nmapper, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Dear Tax Payers, duct tape your vents and windows.... tyvm... Dubya
        • kuzotz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1yea people forget tat the media literally did that. Dammit If I was 18 at the time I would've been selling duct tape like it was crazy. Damn that was like the duct tape boom.
    • KafirGuy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4but global warming is true!
  • gentlax13, on 10/11/2007, -11/+32The idea of Iran being surrounded is kind of old news. Afghanistan is their largest eastern border and Iraq is the western border. To the south is the Persian gulf. Anyone who has ever played Risk knows that Iran is now on the defensive and better be building up troops. Furthermore the remaining countries whose leaders are not in bed with the US are Iran, Pakistan, Syria, and Iraq (b/c they lack 'leaders'). It would not be militarily difficult to secure the area enough to plunder the resources and let every thing else go to hell.

    Politically, however, it's impossible. Even if we do end up with 8 years of Pres. Cheney it's still not going to happen. Not with a volunteer army or congressional budgetary control.

    Sorry conspiracy folk. The Iranians would have to strike first AND claim responsibility. But the Ayatollah knows that road only leads to death.
    • williamdyer, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2Iran tested their plan in the Lebanon war. They have it wired. It will be much worse than Iraq.
    • MrHappy123, on 10/11/2007, -7/+28"Sorry conspiracy folk. The Iranians would have to strike first AND claim responsibility."

      -You mean just like what Iraq did?
    • LakeshoreBaby, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11I'm not sure how you arrive at that conclusion Gentleax, given Iraq didn't claim responsibility for 9/11, and in no time at all we were there.
      • zspitfire04, on 10/11/2007, -7/+5Remember the WMD? And the "War On Terror"?
        How soon you potheads forget...
        • kageki, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2No I don't recall ever seeing nuclear weapons. What about the "War on Terror"? There were no Al-Qaeda in Iraq before the invasion. What did I exactly forget?
          • Atomic1fire, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1but I'm sure you do recall the resistance sadam insane put up to UN weapons investagators
      • gentlax13, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6During the Iraq invasion the Gov't still had 9-11 carte blanche. The population doesn't trust it anymore. People won't join the armed forces out of patriotic duty as they did in '01 unless there is absolute and irrefutable proof that Iran posed an imminent threat to the lives and safety of American families here in America. Also, congress knows that any spike that may occur as a result of "remember the enterprise" will be eroded entirely by the next election and a pro-war vote will be a death-knell on their careers.
    • vertinox, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I wouldn't put it past the US to have a pure air war for 6 months.
      However, that might backfire when "volunteers" stream into Iraq to help the insurgency.
  • Sterango, on 10/11/2007, -9/+20Guys i really dont think the author is saying omg a war will definately happen, I think hes saying beware as there are pieces here fitting toegtehr very well for something to happen, so really, can the "haha u libs will see when there was no Iran was 6 months from now!", cause I don't see anyone saying there will definately be one.
  • FreydNot, on 10/11/2007, -18/+16Let me see if I understand this correctly...

    a) a prediction of the US government slipping into an oppressive dictatorship

    b) This guy want to be the leader of the USA

    Seems like a self fulfilling prophecy to me.
    • dview, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Fact is that this is posted on the Ron Paul website, yet written by Estanislao Carter. As far as I know, he is not running for Presidency.
      • zspitfire04, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Carter was his Minimum wage mexican slave who only typed what was given to him
    • kuzotz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1From the view point of the minority within the US... The US government being oppressive is nothing new except for the fact that now white people will be opressed along witht he brown and darker skinned people.

      anyway goodluck
  • madroneDorf, on 10/11/2007, -17/+12If nothing happens by november will you guys shut the ***** up about this crap? (wasnt a very similiar article on the digg front page yesterday)
    • tonyt11, on 10/11/2007, -7/+19No, because people "shuting the ***** up" was the reason why we got stuck in iraq in the first place. the public's gotta give a dam otherwise you give the administration free-reign to do whatever they want.
      • madroneDorf, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8The funny thing is that the constant barrage of stuff, lessens credibility.

        Its like the boy who's cried wolf, keep on going on and on about something is just around the corner to turn the US into a Tyranny, and so when people go on about it, it just becomes background noise.

        I fear for a time that we actually have to worry, because no one will pay attention, cause everyone will think "oh hey its those crazy people ranting again"

        christ you guys have less credibility than the bush administration
        • iamlutheran, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Those that don't open their bloody eyes and look all around them are as stupid as the Bush administration.
    • williamdyer, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6Not until Bush's finger is no longer on the button.
    • inobla, on 10/11/2007, -9/+5Of course they won't shut the ***** up. If nothing happens by November they'll pat each other on the back and believe their movement actually thwarted it. Ron Paul and his disciples will have saved the day!!
      Job well done morons!
      • BelXul, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2In otherwords, if nothing happens because people know about a planned atrocity and try to do something about it, that means they were all crazy if they succeed. Is that how you meant it? What if no one does a thing and the atrocity happens? Hmmm... Better look to the years 2002 and 2003 to find out!
  • zeromancer, on 10/11/2007, -4/+24well. i try not to dive into conspiracy theory. and i know that everything on digg is extreme leftist, but at the same time, why do you need to pass a blanket EO that could possibly be used against war protestors. If DC was attacked, marshal law isn't good enough, bush needs more power than that? People like bush, as dumb as they may seem, don't do these things for no reason. I would be willing to bet there's a very good reason for everything that has happened. If not, no big deal and people will forget all about the conspiracies. But if they're right, it will be simple for the history books to pieces together the events that led up to it.

    are there any statistics to prove terrorism is any more of a threat than prior to 9/11? would we know if there were? does anyone care? no. because america has the mindset of "i don't care, as long as it doesn't happen to me," which is why nothing is getting done. this wouldn't have lasted this long in the 60s or 70s. america has turned into a bunch of pussies that watch tv all day and don't care about the long term consequences of their lack of action.

    /rant
    • art42, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17" i know that everything on digg is extreme leftist"

      *Extreme* leftist - not even close. The neocons have gone so far to the right the middle seems to be to the left. Additionally, the cons call truth and *everything* they don't agree with leftist. Cuba is "extreme leftist".
    • localzuk, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Leftist? There are about 15% right wingers on here too you know, else there would be hardly any comments dug down on political news items.
    • crapmatic, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1I quit reading when I saw "marshal law".
    • shuffle2, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3well said zeromancer
    • kageki, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Bush may appear dumb but let's not forget he has a whole staff of people behind him like Cheney and Rove. No one denies those too are rather sharp in a not so good way. They do have the power to influence Bush's decision by giving him "advice".
    • Kevmike, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2and i know that everything on digg is extreme leftist,

      Because most left's know how to find digg better than right's?.
  • Toshibi, on 10/11/2007, -5/+42I distrust the government. Everyone should. But there is a fine line between distrust and paranoia. Unfortunately, this administration has really pushed my distrust towards paranoia. I'm not a truther, I'm not some "Zionist, Illuminati, Lizard men" control our government whack job. I am a Libertarian (some may say that's nutty enough...

    Anyhow, I really don't put much past this administration...
  • batshitcrazy, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!
  • JimmyTheClam, on 10/11/2007, -18/+10"Paranoia will destroy ya"
    Buried
    • sticksnstones, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Even paranoids have real enemies.
  • newsninja, on 10/11/2007, -15/+13So the basic jist of this is "something serious will happen at some point, and the President will react to it somehow, resulting in something that we're not quite sure about... at which point we'll say we told you so?"

    This is just the kind of crap Alex Jones was pedalling pre-9/11, and now he won't shut the hell up about how he supposedly predicted the attacks.
    • LakeshoreBaby, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12Alex's I told you so pisses me off too. But he did predict 9/11. I don't think you are able to accept that.
    • maxtangent, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2You mean the way Chertoff's gut works?
  • Lone1, on 10/11/2007, -12/+7In Soviet Russia, dictatorship overthrow you!
  • tonyt11, on 10/11/2007, -4/+21I wrote about something similar to this in this post:
    http://vocalnation.net/posting/341/A+Growing+Dissonance+in+the+World/

    Something that I think a lot of people don't get is that things aren't necessarily going bad for the Bush Administration and the NeoCons. In the Plan for a New American Century, they outlined their plans for an endless war. This is good for those elite who rule the economy (endless contracts to the defence industry) and also means keeping oil prices high by reducing the supply from Iraq. Iran & Venezuela (and increasingly pakistan) are definately the biggest obstacles in America carrying out its agenda.
    • LakeshoreBaby, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10Yah, it's really sad how there are people here who haven't even heard of the books 1984 and Brave New World, let alone have read them.
      • mike17032, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2Whats sadder is the idiots who follow them as their bible.
        • BelXul, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Goerge Orwell was in the British Military before writing his books 1984 and Animal Farm. That's kinda funny. Let it sink in.
  • mtrip, on 10/11/2007, -13/+6Digg is a effin blockathon nowadays with all these troofers. It's like playing a videogame, "block, block, block, 1up!"
    • Asianwaste, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Don't block too much. The other guy will start to throw you around.
  • Flestrin, on 10/11/2007, -9/+16***** this is big. It raises difficult issues. Do you think Paris Hilton will be drafted??
  • dbzer0, on 10/11/2007, -7/+36I can't believe how many American are still in denial on all this...
    • n0ydz, on 10/11/2007, -14/+6I can't believe how many diggers have forgotten to take their meds...
  • yergi, on 10/11/2007, -9/+15what's with these assclowns always using Ron Paul's likeness with this filth?
    This has nothing to do with Ron Paul.

    from the whois:
    Clearwater, Florida
    stanxcarter@yahoo.com
    Admin Phone.......... +1.7274476159
    • WilliamDavis, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8I don't understand why you are being dug down. It's not Ron Paul's website. Anyone who thinks so must be pretty easily manipulated. If some clown with a website is doing it, imagine what the msm must be doing to those people.
    • Tsujigiri, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Agreed. If I had to speculate I would say that you're likely being dugg down because what you're saying is factual, as opposed to entertaining.

      Ron Paul's actual web site:

      http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
  • nebel, on 10/11/2007, -11/+4It is bad enough that we see political campaigning a year before the election and now they have this crap on the front page of digg...
  • ZackWolk, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9Ever wonder why the war in Iraq is always just called the war in Iraq - and was never named something fance schmance like The Gulf War? - it's a part of the War on Terror... which includes Iran and Syria.
    • hittnrun, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3Yes, I lay awake at night wondering about this.

      loon!
    • art42, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Operation
      Iraqi
      Liberation
  • openbah, on 10/11/2007, -14/+4Why would I want a conspiracy theorist president???
    • newsninja, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1Because if you're gullible and ignorant enough to vote for one, you deserve one.
      • MrHappy123, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4If only half of the people ranting actually voted ...
    • LakeshoreBaby, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4To consider all options in an investigation is a good thing. Would you want cops and DA's not investigating possible involvement of government officials in a crime that could have involve them? I hope not.
    • 15charmaxwtf, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7If you actually looked more carefully, e.g. listening to what he said, you would find out he is not a conspiracy theorist. Some of his supporters are, but I think that a 3 year old child would notice there is flawed logic in saying: a candidate is what some of his supporters are.

      He simply said he was worried about a Gulf of Tonkin type incident happening.
  • belman420, on 10/11/2007, -14/+8Yep, we have just about everything.... All we're missing is the tinfoil!

    If Bush/Cheney walked into Iran, impeachment wouldn't take much time. Perhaps those of you who are fear-mongering should consider that.
    • MrHappy123, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Why do everyone gotta talk about the tinfoil crap .. jeez
    • Matrix_Prime, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Yeah, because Congress has really stupid up to the Administration in the past.
    • Airforcefalco, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Did you ever look up what happened at the Gulf of Tonkin or any other false flag operation for that matter? They attacked their own ships and blamed it on Vietnam. After doing that the public and Congress was behind the war in Vietnam and it wasn't until later that it was found out to be a set up and the Vietnamese did nothing to provoke us. So if they stagged some attack on one of the three carrier groups in the waters there, made it look like someone else did it, and blamed it them, then the people will back the conflict.

      P.S. The Democrats are in bed with the Republicans. What you don't believe me? Just look at what Nancy Pelosi said about impeaching the President even though there is so much evidence against him that it would be an open and shut case. Look at the bills passed by a Congress that was elected to get us out of Iraq; they gave the President the funding to continue even though they could have stopped it. Or how about passing that bill that told the President to get out of Iraq but not having any consequences for not doing so and thereby the congress did nothing to get us out of Iraq.

      Congress wouldn't impeach the Bush administration even if they all started to drink baby's blood with every meal.
      • newsninja, on 10/11/2007, -4/+0The Gulf of Tonkin Incident has not, to this day, been proven to be a false flag operation. There is some speculation over the nature of the second of the two attacks, but to make an outright claim that it was a false flag is misguided and simply cannot be substantiated.

        I suggest you do a little reading up rather than watching 'Loose Change' on a loop...
        • Airforcefalco, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Newsninja is obviously a troll. Hell he hasn't dugg anything for over 212 days!
    • iamlutheran, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Please tell me how impeachment will take place when Bush and his neo-con freaks declare the Constitution null and void with an executive order? Martial law will be IMPOSED, elections in 2008 SUSPENDED, and Congress DISSOLVED. How is it going to happen then? After most Americans get off their lazy asses and actually do something about it? What a joke!
      • mike17032, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1And when Bush quietly leaves office in 2008, will you shut the ***** up and figure out what an idiot you really are?

        You really havent thought this through have you? Go watch Star Wars Revenge of the Sith for a little education. There is no danger of a vastly unpopular president ever becoming a dictator.
      • BelXul, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"What?! The Emperor dissolved the Senate? How will he maintain control?"
        "The regional governors will have direct control. Fear will keep the locals in line."
    • mightyzug, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3cheny and bush should have been impeached a long time ago.... if you think it would happen if they went to iran you're a ***** retard.
    • belman420, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0I believe I've made my point.
  • darrenpauli, on 10/11/2007, -6/+6Is much of the American general public interested in learning about political strategy, ideology and history? I mean this in the passive sense, like sitting in a lounge room and watching a doco or a debate, as opposed to pouring over textbooks and attending parliament?
    I agree that dig bloggers are generally very leftist which I believe discredits elements of truth and further polarises debates, but I am impressed by the level of knowledge on all sides of the debates. I'm down in Australia, where our local political clime is far more subdued, but there is a broad consensus that the war is counter-productive. We only have 5 free-to-air stations - the two that are government owned/subsidised are the most worldly and politically orientated and are absolutely fantastic. The others have either sport, local drama or fu*king Big Brother - and Foxtel.
    Not sure what the last point has to do with it, but I think everyone should post their ideas and justifications, rather than just bickering and burying dissident. Dig would be better off for it.
    /deluded post
    • eqisow, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6"Is much of the American general public interested in learning about political strategy, ideology and history?"

      No, but oh how I wish that were true.

      They're to busy watching American Gladiator. :(
  • futureisours, on 10/11/2007, -10/+3Idiots. Oh yes, let's allow Iran to dominate the Persian Gulf and our supply of Oil along with our allies in the region. Just be thankful when it happens.
    • LakeshoreBaby, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9"Our" oil supply?
    • art42, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10How dare they dominate their own resources!
    • oirvine, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2So you want another war?
    • iamlutheran, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Were you present during Bush's colonoscopy? Your comment just reeks from sticking your nose up Bush's arse. Just what America needs... another war. :-/
    • mightyzug, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5that's right it's our oil... how dare they hide our ***** under thier land, ludicris!!!

      how about we stop using oil altogether?? ***** hybrid cars, we have the technology for biodiesel, it would be easy to implement. that way they can keep thier oil and go ***** themselves
  • fatesdefiance, on 10/11/2007, -13/+6You know, I like a lot of Ron Paul's positions. But he is dead ass wrong on foreign affairs, in my opinion. In addition, the more I read of his actual writings, the more he comes across as a hysterical loon. Like many Diggers here, he seems to be fabricating immense and illogical scenarios from very few (and often unsupportive) facts.
    Now, I know I'll get buried instantly here...but for heaven's sake, why doesn't Paul (and you folks here) actually give some solid, factual reasons for the positions he (and you) hold? Something more substantive than "OMGZ, Bush is the lying debil!!"
    • 15charmaxwtf, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10His position comes from the constitution and what the founding fathers envisioned: free trade with a non-interventionist policy. There have been lots of completely failed wars this century that would have been completely avoided if this advice was heeded to. I find it to be just common sense.
      • mike17032, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1He has no ***** clue what the founding fathers envisioned.


        • kuzotz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2actually he is right. The US was originally designed for just commerce, and only to use military force when commerce is threatened. Of course ever since the 20th century we use the military to start commerce or pretty much force trade.
    • iamlutheran, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Also, do your research. Look on the Web for concentration camps in the USA. What you find will shock you.
      • Tweekster, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1not really, because it is more propaganda, how does it feel to be a sheep believing that idiocy
      • mike17032, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1I found a bunch of paranoid ***** based on non-existant "facts" from ***** sites, I was not suprised in the least.
    • WilliamDavis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10This has NOTHING to do with Ron Paul. Pay attention.
  • RoundysSince, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2I hope all my fellow Americans sleep peacefully at night. Our country was built like this.
  • postmaster3000, on 10/11/2007, -5/+17Misleading site. Who the heck is Stanley Carter and what is his relationship with Ron Paul? The site masquerades as the Ron Paul campaign website, but it's not the actual official site.
    • eqisow, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Hardly, the main page links to the freakin' official site.

      You've never heard of a fan site?
  • Detritus, on 10/11/2007, -5/+6First Ron Paul story I've ever dugg.
    • zspitfire04, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1Same here, Credible? Now thats another story
    • WilliamDavis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5It's not a Ron Paul story, genius.
  • newmoon69, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17impeach Dubya and Vice President Chicken Hawk. Start at the state level. If all the states agree to impeach...
    • novask, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1If not they can rule over those states that support them. It will be glorious, especially considering the fact that my money will be put to better use and won't suffer from massive inflation.
  • art42, on 10/11/2007, -12/+3Dumbya brought US to the edge, R Paul will push US over!
  • Reshesnik, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Digg used to be useful... Now it's used almost exclusively by paranoid self-important morons (I guess I must be self-important to pass judgment on everybody else, but, whatever).

    The end.
  • tsbardella, on 10/11/2007, -12/+8Why does this page remind me of a UFO site?
    • moxley, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Because you're retarded?
    • mightyzug, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1yea that's probably it.
    • Tweekster, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0Because that is this idiots night job. Whatever the topic, he will have something retarded to say about it.
    • tsbardella, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Checkmate Near At Hand -
      Bush is strategically setting the board for an UFO sighting checkmate.
      RonCan.com | Digg this story
      If you've ever played chess or any strategic game, you must first put your pieces in place before you spring your attack. All evidence suggests that the NeoCon coverup on Area 51 is about to be sprung.
      This is what I see:
      First we have the PNAC agenda
      This clearly calls for a 3 - 4 front coverup. It calls for domination of resources and it calls for military oversight of those resources indefinitely. This has been the neocon controlling agenda even before Bush's Presidency.
      Second we have Chertoff's gut feelings
      A coverupning of more sightings supported only by a "gut feeling". And now he predicts simultaneous LA and SanFransico dirty ufos. Plus a wave of sightings rhetoric.
      Third we have coverupnings from insiders
      Former Reagan Advisor , Pat Buchanan, Carter's National Security Advisor and Ron Paul coverupning of a possible Area 51 incident creating another coverup.
      Fourth we have Cheney pulling strings
      Cheney is pushing Bush to act on Area 51.
      Fifth we have Congress on a break
      August may be the hottest month yet for UFO sigtings
      Sixth we have Bush's Executive Order outlawing coverup protest
      This EO is written so generally, that it essentially kills the 5th Amendment
      Seventh we have the "Fall guy" moving into position
      Aircraft carrier "Enterprise" the oldest in the fleet, moves into the Gulf to replace the USS Nimitz.
  • biercenator, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2Talk about moving the goal posts. So let's suppose that the nation is not seized by an apocalypse of American values. Suppose that it is _not_ transformed into a totalitarian nightmare out of Starship Troopers (where the bugs win). Suppose it remains what is is today. That would be, like, okay I guess.
  • hittnrun, on 10/11/2007, -8/+1I've accidently discovered a coo-coo's nest.

    Get a life losers.
  • scut, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I don't doubt the neos would love a shot at Iran and may, in fact, have plans for it. I also believe that many members of the administration are actively keeping Americans focused on fear so we won't really look at what they are doing. But did any of you look at that site and check out the links? Those who are saying these guys are loony are absolutely right. Most of the text reads like a textbook on paranoia. These people make it harder for us to get serious-minded people to see how our basic rights have been trampled upon by a corporate-focused administration.

    I also agree with those posters who are concerned that this seems to come from Ron Paul's camp. While it attempts to use some of Ron's straight-forward approach, it has none of the facts or reasoned thinking behind it. Ron would not support this non-sense (and I'm not really a Ron Paul supporter...just like the fact that he speaks the truth and has the guts to stand up to his party).
    • mtrip, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1This is from his 'conclusion', just so you know who you're dealing with here:

      "Our military forces are overseas. Our national guard is overseas. We have an occupying force already within our borders (illegal aliens), who have demonstrated seditious intent.

      Unfortuneately, the only scenario left, is the worst case scenario.

      This means:
      • Martial Law - and suspension of elections
      • Police State with Blackwater oversight
      • Economic Collapse
      • North American Union with new currency Amero
      • New socialist constitution
      • National ID and restricted travel
      • The Draft will be reinstated
      • Massive population detention."

      In summary, you people are dumb beyond imagining. It really is amazing how dumb you all are. Really.
      • iamlutheran, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Don't forget the FEMA concentration camps all over the USA. They are in Canada as well - therefore nowhere to run.
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