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- cdlavalle, on 10/12/2007, -14/+108Can we impeach him yet?
- Dradis, on 10/12/2007, -12/+89No, it would take him doing something REALLY bad, like sleeping around on his wife. So far all he's done is ram freedom in American into the ground. (End sarcasm)
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -9/+62When i read the title ("bush is destroying the constitution"), all i could think is "well, duh"
Sad. - bfdhud, on 10/12/2007, -11/+59Impeachment is not enough. He needs to be impeached then removed from office.
I could also stand to see a prison sentance for his various war crimes. - nefty, on 10/12/2007, -4/+52So what you're trying to say is that Bush and his administration are the snakes on America's plane.
- digitalsheep, on 10/12/2007, -8/+45When you can rewrite laws without oversight, you'll always avoid committing high crimes and misdemeanors.
And don't forget about Clinton's impeachment process. Everything was decided largely by party-line vote: Republicans had enough votes to impeach Clinton but not to convict him. In short, impeachment is a highly political process that is unlikely to succeed with Republicans controlling the Executive and the Legislature unless that party needs to ditch Bush to save face and survive. - redthirteen, on 10/12/2007, -9/+41Ever since G.W. Bush elected as our president, I felt the traditional American ethical value and principles on family lives, businesses practices, and justice systems are falling like a plane on fire. Similar to Titians, G.W. Bush is steering our country toward an iceberg without remorse and responsibility. I know for sure that he and his cabinet members will jump ship before everyone. I feel sad for our country. What can we do?
- d00ley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29@nogami -- Regarding your observation of a single party doing so much damage to their own country:
George Washington was the first to warn of the dangers of the Party (party politics). Below are portions of his Farewell Address of 1796. Very relevant to a situation today. Seriously, I hope you all will read this. He knew exactly what he was talking about.
"However combinations or associations of the above description [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion."
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"I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.
This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.
Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it."
Full address at:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/washing.htm - Valhalla, on 10/12/2007, -5/+29I'm not sure I should digg this, all that domestic spying you know.
- jarcoal, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26skinner says the teachers will crack any minute, purple monkey dishwasher
- TheIguana, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26I would not say it is so much President Bush that is the problem and the one running the show, but his goto man. Vice President Cheney is the one I am most concerned about, it is he who has people all over the administration controlling its every move. Cheney is this administrations true President not Bush.
Iggy - bfdhud, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24Thank god the Bar association has realized what most americans have already known.
Now how about you rich bastards help us do something about it
http://www.impeachbush.org - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19President doesnt have the right to legislate
he can veto
the congress has already tried to give clinton a line item veto
but the supreme court ruled that unconstitutional saying that pretty much made the president a legislator.
the signinging statements can be said as very simular to a line item veto
(especially when it comes to oversight and the president signs that he wil ignore such oversight when he feels it violates his powers.. if he thinks a law is infringing on his powers he should take it to court and not issue a signing statement)
No so much that the president will break the law enacted by congress but that a subordinate will read the signing statement and interept his actions as ok(which you can kind of legaly do)
Signing statements have been used before but never to this extent and never to contradict the meaning of the law itself. - nogami, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22It would be amusing watching a single political party do so much damage to their own country if it wasn't so sad...
But, it's up to you Americans to fix it. I don't live in your country, and Americans don't listen to "outsiders" when it comes to internal policy. So (shrug), deal with the problem. Just try not to harm the rest of the world too much during the coming collapse... - lengau, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18@ImTheDarkCycle:
For the record, uber is an English slang word meaning super (as in ubergeek).
Über is a German word meaning exaggerated, over, or beyond (example: über den Hecke [over the fence]).
Please note the Umlaut. Also, in English, it's very seldom to hear uber alone, as it is more often used as a prefix. (ubergeek) - computerdude33, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16In keeping with nefty's analogy, impeaching Bush would be like getting ***** snakes off of a ***** plane.
- addicted44, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Besides, a lot of courts have said that it is illegal. The whole concept of 'activist' judges is crap. They just interpret the law, and obviously the interpretations are colored by their own personal beliefs, however, most judges go out of their way to be extremely neutral and even. Many conservatives complain that the Supreme court is activist in facor of the liberals, but yet conveniently ignoring the fact that the majority of judges on the supreme court were appointed by republicans. Do you mean to tell me that your Republican leaders go out of their way to appoint liberal sympathising judges?
About gay marriage, mosts judges rule in favor of it, because there is nothing in the constitution barring marriage between man and man, or woman and woman. Also, because of people's privacy enshrined in the constitution, it becomes a personal issue, that the state should not be regulating. If some churches dont want to let gays marry, so be it. But if others do, then let them do as they please also.
Another thing is how hyprocritical the conservative movement has become, by merging with the uber-Christians. I am conservative, yet our doctrine of small government reducing its meddling in my affairs has been made a sorry joke of by this administration. For example, it is spending way more than the Clinton administration did. The govt is interfering in every part of my life, telling me what I can watch on TV, who I should be having sex with, that I should not be having sex with anyone, keeping track of everything I do within the borders of the nation, keeping track of my phone conversations and emails to my friends. The list goes on and on. The 2 areas this administration has reduced the role of the government is in saving and helping citizens (Katrina. Plans to charge Lebanese evacuees), and collecting less taxes in a situation where the govt expenses keep rising. - LaughingMan11, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14@helix:
While I concede that there is some sensationalizing of the actual statements, the intent of the ABA's statement is clear.
The ABA's statement is stated very lawyerly and proper, but it is scathing nonetheless. It raises serious questions about the President's supposed authority with these signing statements.
While it isn't saying "violating the Constitution" explicitly, the message is clear. The President has some explaining to do. - LaughingMan11, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Signing statements: when he signs a bill into law, for example, the McCain Detainee Amendment, aka the ban on torture bill... he has claimed to have the authority to issue a signing statement along with it.
They are proclamations that state the President's intentions on how to enforce or interpret the law he is signing. For example, for the aforementioned McCain amendment, he reserved the right to waive the law as he saw fit:
"The Executive Branch shall construe [the torture ban] in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary Executive Branch and as Commander in Chief and consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judicial power." - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16Put this in the no ***** sherlock section
- bfdhud, on 10/12/2007, -15/+25"Ever since G. H. W. Bush elected as our president"
Fixed, since Bush senior was the only bush elected by the people. - crilen007, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15Please America.. Wake up and smell the Monarchy.
- karmakanic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@Casedot
He has a habit of refusing to enforce laws he doesn't like. Since he's the head of the Executive Branch, it's his job to enforce the law. In some cases it's pretty questionable, because the failure to enforce the law means that certain people (who happen to be his friends and/or business acquaintances) aren't prosecuted when they should be. Kinda fishy, if you ask me... - Egoist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10You apparently haven't actually read that book, have you?
- tvc15, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9>What use is freedom if you are dead? It's not like you will be able to enjoy it anway.
What ever happened to "Give me Liberty or give me Death"? Are there no Patrick Henrys anymore? Is he no longer considered a patriot? - LaughingMan11, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Hmm... I'm pretty sure I remember the last time a President was impeached, Reid... it was a huge dog and pony show that clogged up the Congress for months, and rendered the Executive branch useless for the same time... in the end, nothing happened, it was a huge waste of time.
So... from the last impeachment, we learned that it's highly political, and because it's political, it can be really a stupid and idiotic power grab that may result in nothing but spun wheels... but I'm pretty sure I read about the LAST impeachment in American history as well...
Nixon's impeachment was more justified. It was the unravelling of the President's truly shady doings (outside of sex that is), and would have resulted in a removal from office if the dog didn't flee the last minute...
From that impeachment, we learned that it is the last great check against the President, if he has truly done evil. It can be a valuable tool of the American people against corruption. - LaughingMan11, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Yes... I read the ABA's statement. To me, it's a very lawyerly and proper way of saying that they disapprove of his methods, and that he's on constitutional thin ice...
As for the wording "concerned"... that didn't come from the report, but from the President of the ABA, as per CNN:
"This report raises serious concerns crucial to the survival of our democracy," said the ABA's president, Michael Greco. "If left unchecked, the president's practice does grave harm to the separation of powers doctrine, and the system of checks and balances that have sustained our democracy for more than two centuries."
I'd say that's pretty damning and tough to take out of context.
Read between the lines. The ABA is using language that is more proper but it's saying the same thing : Bush is on constitutional thin ice. - Yage2006, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10There wont be a constitution left to destroy in a few years, So don't worry about it. And enjoy the security of your police state
- Promantarius, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I don't think allowing two consenting adults to be married is quite in par with what President Bush has been doing really. I'm biased here, but what business is it of anyone else's whether two people are married or not? No one's really - what are they going to do? Whereas what business is it of anyone else's when their president is altering laws to his own ends frequently? Pretty much everyone's.
- ninjakoala, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13@Laughingman11
It's funny... in 40 years time I bet Nixon will be regarded as the lesser of the crooks. It's the same rhetoric and the same methods - but I'd estimate that the impact on the constitution is greater now than it was back in the Nixon days. Besides that he has openly admitted to breaking the law with wiretaps and invaded a country under false assumptions - assumptions that his staff knew perfectly well were false. As did everyone else in the world.
Personally I lost all respect for Powell, when he presented the so-called "evidence" of WMD in Iraq. He might as well have shown a picture of a phone booth. - Noods, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11We could start by not electing retards!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Bush: "It's just a goddamn piece of paper!"
2 terms... Way to go, guys. Hey, as long as the laws are going out the window, why not make it a third? - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I'm going to be shocked the day people like "wowbagger" can do something like make a valid point other than talk about "whining liberals". Because we do know that anyone who thinks bush is a national *****-up including republicans lawyers judges generals soldiers policemen NRA members and people who will shoot at the soldiers of an invading country(Which would be . . for the first time in history after the war of 1812 a soldier actually _defended_ the nation against something on a battlefield.) _must_ by a "whining liberal".
The civil war counts as an internal offense. - karmakanic, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12It's a good thing the ACLU's out there watching our backs...
Get a clu: http://www.aclu.org - LaughingMan11, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12While I admire your idealism at the thought that Americans may once again organize an armed rebellion to overthrow our oppressive government, you simultaneously give me the willies much like guys like Timothy McVeigh do...
That being said, the days that something like an armed Revolution can occur in this country is long over... and the Minutemen should be resigned to the history books... not our communities.
In short: the 2nd Amendment doesn't protect you from Bush and Cheney... Cheney probably has a bigger gun and isn't afraid to take cheap shots. - Akufen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"I am just glad we have a government in power who doesn't need to care about all these pussy things like liberty, freedom and the law - as at least this means they can get the job done."
Anyone still doubting the problems with American schools?
It's obvious the only ones still protecting this government are those who can't get their heads around the fact that this has nothing to do with left, right, liberal, commie, or whatever. You don't even realize that ALL you are capable of is dividing everything into two groups, the goodies and the baddies. Cause thats where your deductive skills end and your mirroring of the FOX view begins.
And you call other people dumb? You're a freaking disgrace to humanity.. - ramd3z, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13Will someone please blow him so we can impeach him!?
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Well, that would be true, but we aren't at war. We aren't at war with any country right now, we are occupying one.
"Maybe all of those who don't support the President should be locked up in Guantanamo with all of their terrorist chums? After all, this is America people, what is it that you imagine we stand for???"
GO BACK TO THE SOVIET UNION.
POLICEMEN AND SOLDIERS WILL _NOT_ LOCK UP THE TWO ***** THIRDS OF AMERICA THAT THINKS THE PRESIDENT IS ***** UP BECAUSE THEY WILL BETRAY THEIR COMMANDING OFFICERS BEFORE BEING SHOT BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE IF THEIR COMMANDING OFFICERS WERE STUPID ENOUGH TO SUPPORT SOMETHING ANTI-AMERICAN ENOUGH IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Go read American history. Go read what happened to the British. America ***** THEM UP because THEY ***** UP.
I won't even /bother/ mentioning the bombs in those towers since people who say such fundamentally flawed things to begin with are too stupid/emotionally attached to the idea our government isn't ***** up big time to pay attention to a simple thing we call: physics. - skytimelapse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5bclinton: you don't get it
- stylerm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Future GWB Signing statement - "Does not apply to me, biatches"
- Casedot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Could someone please clarify what Bush is really doing for those of us who are not so Constitution savvy?
In other words, I didn't get it :( - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13It is humourus to watch Bush's supporters here on digg try to spin this away.
Next lets claim the aba infitrated by a bunch of moonbat wackos..
everyone knows lawyers are a bunch of freaken liberals, thats why Cheney was hunting them. - mikeyeah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The ABA is a conservative group and for them to come to this conclusion should really make people think of how bush has ***** on Democracy ever since he cam into office. Now, Senator Arlen Spector (R, PA) said today that he will draft legislation to sue the president by the end of the week. This coming from a Republican should also wake up the 38% who support him.
I've always said that, "karma is a bitch." I can't wait to see it bite him in the ass. - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5It was just recent that congress voted no on a proposition that arms should be confiscated in the "event of a national emergency".
That someone would even utter such a proposition should result in marches down the streets with some policitians' heads on sticks (with bullets in them).
America has never been so sick. - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Dude "raid517" is being paid by some old fat guy to infiltrate our terrorist website.
Quick, hide the weed. - gridbread, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13Stay the course.....right into a wall.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7You're stupid.
- honkyman5000, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9So you want to disarm people by law first so it's easier. Understood.
- concertina, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@elebrio
Clinton didn't do it nearly as often, or as brazenly. Bush has used signing statements more times than all of his predecessors COMBINED, and has openly flaunted executive authority in them rather than simply using them as clarification or as commentary. - Wamzlee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well, alot of Republicans hate Arlen Specter because he does alot of things against the party and has alot of beliefs many would associate with Democrats, for example; he is pro-choice.
However, many Demcorats are frustrated with Arlen Specter because he keeps switching positions, before Arlen Specter was upset with the Bush Administrations domestic wire tapping and now he is cooperating with the Administration and not holding any serious hearings.
Who knows, maybe Arlen Specter will switch positions again, but who knows what he will do, especially since a powerful group like ABA has come out against the president.
Let's just hope that the conservative-base shell-shocked by 9/11 will finally wake up and realize what President Bush is doing. -
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