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- littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+58Let's see:
Republicans = No Support
Democrats = No Support
American Public = No Support
Bush = Support
I just don't know what needs to happen? - utcursch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+39http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/04/19/us/20attorneys-600.jpg
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+39"Republicans = Some Support
Democrats = No Support
American Public = No Support
World = No Support
Bush = Support"
With just a little change you can sum up Bush's entire presidency! - swrostmore, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33highlights of the hearings:
Hatch asks Gonzo to explain minute details of how the Justice Dept. works in order to take up time in between softballs.
Leahy asks Gonzo, given that Gonzo had no recollection of the meeting in which he made the decision to fire the 8 attorneys, how he could be certain that he did, in fact, make that decision. Protesters in the gallery burst out laughing. Leahy verbally berates the protestors but its obvious he is holding back a smile.
Upon a recess being called, protesters in the gallery begin screaming 'fire him now.' A senator (possibly Schumer) overheard laughing and saying "there are too many of them to throw them all out"
As the hearing is adjourned, the gallery sings "na-na-na-na...gonzales...goodbye..." very tunefully.
Most fun I've ever had watching c-span. - happyfappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22Ouch.
Some videos to go with the article:
Specter vs. Gonzales:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcxLcXRSeJ4
All opening statements and numerous exchanges between Gonzales and the senators:
http://www.politicstv.com/blog/?p=2383 - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21I watched most of the hearings. Gonzales' best defense throughout was that he was clueless.
But when asked if those 8 prosecutors should have been fired, he still stands by the decisions, even the "performance related" BS he claimed back when he was admittedly misrepresenting the situation. So all that's changed is he's now taken responsibility for the mistakes, though it's not clear what will change unless he leaves.
Specter, for all his attempts to get Gonzales to help himself, seemed to almost give up -- almost. He fell short of calling for a resignation too, but on the News Hour later, barely defended Gonzales. The best he could do was say it wasn't intentional criminality, but mere _incompetence_ that caused these problems.
Well, incompetence is also grounds for removal. Judy Wood-for-brains didn't press the issue. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Gonzales is an evil man.
This U.S. Attorney scandal is the least of his crimes. - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16"What's wrong with Utah?"
You got a few hours? - jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Maybe he would "recall" more under torture.
- CannedMango, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@EntropyMan
I have to agree with your assessment on this. If Gonzalez is going to play the "I didn't know" or "I forget" cards, then he is implicating himself as completely incompetent for this job. Not a job that should taken lightly either or should excuse such a lack of competence. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10On Olbermann last night, he pointed out that Gonzales said "I don't know" or "I don't remember" 45 times... before lunch.
- indietroy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Gonzalez = Fall guy
- magnusdopus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9As a democrat, it's good to see the questions the Republicans are firing. I love Lindsey Graham's question. "But at the end of the day, you said something that struck me: that sometimes it just came down to these were not the right people at the right time. If I applied that standard to you, what would you say"
Brilliant. How can anyone defend that. - davesbrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8It's appalling that these guys with their high levels of education and work experiences cannot remember much about what they do when they're making decisions that affect the entire country.
- diggsIt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I keep thinking about the comment GW made after the hurricane, 'Brownie, you're doing a great job'. Well, as he kept reminding us during the election campaign, at least we know where he stands - wrong, though he may be.
- realyst, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Then lets change that sentence a little bit:
Gonzales is a crazy, greedy, diluted, ***** eating, poor specimen of an *****. - warmonger48, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I listened to the testimony on NPR. He seemed REALLY dodgy about the questions. The best was a senator asked if he should suffer the same consequences as the fired attorneys for making mistakes (which he readily admits) and he was stuttering like a boat motor.
- sizzzzlerz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8If you ever want to know what the bush administration is really like, you need look no further than Torture Boy. He represents them at their finest.
- gthrank, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Republicans are finally realizing that everything that Bush touches turns to *****...
- jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"It's appalling that these guys with their high levels of education and work experiences cannot remember much about what they do when they're making decisions that affect the entire country. "
It's called lying (as you know). Who cares what they remember....in the end. I'm sure the evidence is there to bust him...and maybe even his predcessor who was on the same team. - HypocriteDigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Being from Utah, the reddest state in the union, Orrin Hatch would support Osama if Osama said he was a Republican. And in general, most of the Republicans here would do the same.
- EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6By the way, I wouldn't strictly say Gonzales had "no support." Orrin Hatch did his "Mr. Rogers" routine and coddled poor little Gonzo from the tewwible Senators out to get him. I honestly thought he was going to bring out a hand puppet at one point and start doing voices.
His credibility should be as low as Bush's at this point, yet he still survives re-election. What's wrong with Utah? - xGeneric, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"I prepare for every hearing, senator," Mr. Gonzales replied.
Mr. Specter seemed to view it as a smart-aleck retort, and the exchange that followed ended poorly for the attorney general. "Let's move on," Mr. Specter said sharply. "I don't think you're going to win a debate about your preparation, frankly."
Zing! - InfamousAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"You got a few hours?"
More like a week or so... I lived there for eight very long years. It's a shame that some of the most beautiful land in the country is for all practical purposes, a theocracy.
So I moved back to Texas... not quite as bad since I live in a city, but I'd gladly leave here for a more open-minded state. - jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6United we stand.
lol - BrianNowhere, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5verersite wrote:
"I will give him this: Gonzales hasn't managed to attack and then mis-manage a religious cult into burning themselves and their innocent children alive (and thus give zealots like Tim McVie an "excuse" (sarcasm intended) to later blow up the Federal building in Oklahoma City) He hasn't sent trigger-happy federal agents to a place called Ruby Ridge where a sniper killed an unarmed (and pregnant) woman. Two less "gun-nuts" in the world is a good thing to a Progressive, I suppose. Gonzales hasn't sent in a fully armed Swat team to tear a terrified boy from the arms of his relatives while the camera's clicked away. What a PR nightmare _that_ one was - regardless of your views on the overall topic"
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Ah you bring back fond memories of the days when the President would appoint an independent Attorney General and not a White House lapdog like Gonzolez. Those were the good old days. The days when the AG would actually go after the president when he was accused of wrongdoing. Your post also serves to remind me to ask you what the moral difference is between an Islamic terrorist who blows ***** up because they feel wronged by our government and a white red-neck NRA member who blows ***** up because he feels wronged by the American government? - laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Neither random, ambiguous or justified. They threatened Bush's stranglehold on his new one-branch government.
- mt066, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I wonder why this guy thinks he should be able to keep his job despite the fact that he feels it's OK to fire US attorneys randomly for ambiguous reasons.
- stepnw1f, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I seriously thought Hatch was going to give the guy a hummer. What the hell kind of embarrassing kiss assing that was displayed yesterday? Yet it wasn't near enough to help that sick twisted lying freak. Stick a fork in him......
- grendel59, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's a typical dodge many Bush supporters try to use when their intellectual midget of a leader (or his underlings) falls on his face....blame Clinton. It's rather pathetic to watch, but not surprising when they cannot bring a real argument to the table.
- EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@veersite, you don't even believe that crap about minorities, and no one here thinks for a second you do. Not even a valiant attempt to play the race card. It's downright pathetic.
The only "minority" that upsets me is the minority of US government officials that are criminals. That minority happens to be in power for the moment. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4No one is missing that story. But Gonzo wasn't going to name names to save himself and he deserves to be hung out to dry. That doesn't mean that the rest of the administration is off the hook for turning the DOJ into the enforcement arm of the GOP.
- EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You have a point, albeit a terse one. By taking responsibility, Gonzales somewhat inoculates Rove and Bush from these decisions. He's not outright quitting, but the writing is now on the wall. However, he failed to confirm those meetings he had with Rove and Bush over these decisions, which are the real issue -- executive pressure deep into the Justice Department.
And as Republicans keep pointing out, the law allows THE PRESIDENT to fire USAs at will. Should I repeat that this means THE PRESIDENT is responsible for the firings, even if he delegates the decision-making?
I mean, if my boss gives me a task, and I assign it to one of my underlings and that person screws up, who's fault is it? I can't reasonably go into my boss and say it's not my fault, because in this case, the law gives the responsibility and power only to THE PRESIDENT.
Thanks, Republicans, for keeping us informed of that important fact. - grendel59, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5A quick summary of the AG's testimony:
"I don't recall.."
"I don't recall.."
"I don't recall.."
"I don't recall.."
"I don't recall.."
"I don't recall.."
"I don't recall.."
...add 30 more "I don't recalls..."
"I don't recall.."
"I don't recall.."
"I don't recall.."
"I made the decision, but I don't recall when it was made..."
"I don't recall.."
"I don't recall.."
"I don't recall.."
"I don't recall.."
"I don't recall.."
"I don't recall.."
"I don't recall.."
"I can assure you nothing improper occurred..."
With a memory like that, I'm not sure he can assure anyone of anything. It's a sad day when the Attorney General of the United States lies in a congressional hearing. Note: if he's not lying (a possibility) he's too incompetent to run the Dept. of Justice. - Eivo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Something seems weird about this, to me at least. This guy is offering no defense at all to protect himself or his job. Seems like this might be a political sacrifice or distraction for something larger the bush might have in the pipes.
- davesbrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I know he's lying, I forgot to put the /sarc at the end of my comment, I always do that.
- vann, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Do you have any clips of these? I'd love to see them.
- jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Republicans are finally realizing that everything that Bush touches turns to *****... "
King Midas in reverse. Of course it's just a tad bit too late....I'm sure they will listen to the other side in the future (lol). - Gella321, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Totally Incompetent
- lonelymiddle1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ veersite
"I just want to remind everyone on this board that all this wailing and gnashing of teeth by the Left was conspicuously absent when it was a Democratically appointed Attorney General making twice the mess. I don't seek to excuse Gonzales from his actions,"
then don't excuse him..........
b-b-b-b-but Clinton.....jesus washington christ!! Why!?! who cares what clinton did. Nothing bad he did makes anything bad Bush does any less bad. Although, I should say that maybe i'm not as up in arms about this as you. You see my memory is a little sketchy since everything you refer to happened when i was like 10..... - akatherder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This administration and the RNC has mastered pinning the tail on a donkey and throwing it under the bus.
Sorry, I heard it was metaphor day. - tenrec, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If Gonzales suddenly finds a need to "spend more time with his family" then the confirmation hearings for the new AG are going to be worse for the White House than keeping Gonzales in place. There are many (maybe hundreds of) Harriet Miers caliber nominees in the White House if/when Gonzales goes.
- Pfhreak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2C-Span has a page dedicated to this now, including pertinent documents and video of the morning and afternoon sessions:
http://www.c-span.org/special/attorneys.asp - daye, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'd like to move to Utah, Fox News is not as entertaining as it used to be nowadays.
- EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2And Specter was obviously trying to help Gonzales too. Gonzo still had to make that smart-ass remark that totally undercuts his newest claim that he only "misspoke" on two, three, four occasions. Well, if he was prepared for everything, then he obviously didn't make a mistake. He lied, and in a premeditated fashion, as he does now.
- ThisIsBob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Waterboard the mutha - we'll find out what he knew and when he knew it.
- SirSpangler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Regardless of the current controversy and if you're on the right or left, Gonzales has never had the stature to be Attorney General. It's as though an assistant attorney's assistant got the top job.
- spalVl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Good, I don't care why he is outed as long as he is outed. This guy has been in bed with RIAA & MPAA too. Deserves a good kick out the door for that alone.
http://p2pnet.net/story/8388 - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2He knows. He was White House counsel before AG. He knows who pulls what strings and why.
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