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Al Gore: It Is ‘Obscene’ That Bush Has Approved Torture

thinkprogress.org — During an interview this morning on NPR, former Vice President Al Gore criticized Bush for approving the techniques, calling it “obscene,” adding that his use of signing statements is “a raw assertion of authority outside the boundaries of the law”

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  • xavier2010, on 05/07/2008, -95/+30I think it's obscene that this potatoe-faced half whit ***** still clings to global warming. I think he's just upset that he didnt win againt bush in previous elections don't cha think? HEY CAN WE GET A RECOUNT ON THIS GLOBAL WARMING ***** CAUSE THERE SURE ISNT JACK ***** HAPPENING RIGHT NOW!!!

    p.s. when it comes to terrorists, sure we should not torture them... we should sit them in front of their colleges and make them watch us gut them like they cut the heads off of others!!
    • chicofaraby, on 05/07/2008, -19/+56Right wing nutters say the funniest *****.
      • iii9ix3, on 05/07/2008, -20/+18left wing nuts say funny ***** too.
        • shadygrove, on 05/07/2008, -5/+17but it's typically more "ha ha" funny, and not "lock me up in the funny farm" funny.
          of course i have to question what passes as "left wing" these days. anyone to the left of newt gingrich is considered a flaming liberal in the corporate mediasphere.
          • oldhick, on 05/07/2008, -1/+11I don't know, being on neither side I hear stupid ***** out of both sides. You guys can try to pretend one party is good and the other is bad, but at the end of the day, its the two party system that got us here.
            Dems and Repubs both suck balls the majority of the time. Both give way to corporate interests. Both use scare tactics. Both have crazy fringe groups...
      • Kratos76, on 05/07/2008, -4/+2Thanks Chico! That was a Great comment, and it calmed me down!!
    • reeder, on 05/07/2008, -9/+25Talk about psychotic. Buddy, stop beating your wife, and get some mental help.
    • stonewaljacksn, on 05/07/2008, -19/+8Honestly, if you catch a KNOWN terrorist leader, im saying al-zawahiri or bin laden...i really don't care if you torture the ***** out of them for information.
      The problems come about when you torture any muslim joe blow because you think there's a slight chance he may be a "terrorist". IDK how to walk that fine line or if it's even possible, but the issue is a lot more gray than politicians make it seem. Let "terrorists" capture Gore's weed-loving son, and we'll see if he hates it so much if torture is the only means of obtaining the info to get him back...
      • noisician, on 05/07/2008, -5/+11what if the feds capture your weed-loving son and decide that if they torture him maybe they'll find some more terrorists?
        no trial necessary, since he's a terrorist
        • cygnus2112, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Have they been torturing common Americans not associated with terrorism, Afghanistan War, etc?
      • stonewaljacksn, on 05/07/2008, -8/+3jesus you people are such blind liberal sheep hypocrites.
        did i not say fine line? my bad for actually thinking about the situation from both sides instead of blindly following the misled liberal left. go on ahead and keep up the polarization. why think through the issue for urself?
        you didnt even respond to the situation i suggested, you just came up with an opposite situation, thus proving there are two sides to the coin.
        according to digg, there is only one, and that's just self-imposed blindness.
        • pushmouse, on 05/07/2008, -3/+6What's the other side of me knowing that torture is immoral regardless of who is performing it?
          • stonewaljacksn, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1the side of you that's not living in a utopian fantasyland. i get the whole idealism thing, but you gotta reconcile it with reality.
    • tracywood, on 05/07/2008, -8/+2Totally dugg! Totally not rightwing.
    • darmacc, on 05/07/2008, -3/+12You just admitted that you're no better than terrorists. Think b4u post please..
    • oldhick, on 05/07/2008, -6/+2I'm super cereal!
    • V0lk, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1by the way...it's "half-wit"....not "half-whit"...... (moran)
    • sanman, on 05/08/2008, -3/+2Another First from Gore! Give the man another Nobel Prize!
    • C3RV4NTE5, on 05/08/2008, -3/+2You're totally right, friendo. I don't get why people believes this global warming *****. There was another global warming alert back on the 70's, again false and based on stupid theories. This is like the 2000-Effect and all that kind of ***** that don't have any scientific base but they're known as universal-truths thanks to the media. Just check this on any graph: in the 40's temperature started to fall, and continued that way until the 70's!! And I think Industry was still growing from the 40's to the 70's and more and more "toxic, dangerous" products were released, so theoricaly far more C02... but Earth started cooling! :D. How I hate this idiot is one of the main guys at Apple.
    • jacobj, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2OK. So we have a load of amateur's making decisions based on what they want to believe about global warming. The notion that significantly screwing with the chemical balances of the earth's atmosphere and oceans, as well as decimating the plant life will have no impact on the biosphere is incredible, it is simply impossible to change an environment is such a way and for no change to happen. The next big question is: how will this change affect us? The truth is that we cannot know for sure and it is the informed speculation that is presented that empowers fools to reject the whole notion. So how big does the change have to be before humanity is massively impacted? The answer is probably very little: our current way of life is driven by global markets and should the change occur in parts of the world in such a way as to allow crop pests to thrive or for disease to spread, then we are all impacted. China has a booming economy and a massive population which it cannot support from its own land (the northern parts of china are undergoing desertification) and it will require more and more food from Africa and yet Africa is likely to be the most susceptible to any form of climate change. But then we in the western hemisphere also rely on Africa for much of our food. What happens next? I cannot tell you the answer, all I can tell you is that I choose to play it safe on behalf of my children and accept that the existence of our species is not a divine right, but a stroke of luck that we shouldn't be arrogant enough to assume that will continue regardless of what we do.
      As for torture: it worries me that if you disagree with the morality of others then all bets are off. Would Gore sanction torture to save his son: probably yes, but that is why the individual cannot be empowered to change the law and this I believe Gore would defend until the end. Just flip it to the other side: you are captured by Islamic terrorists and they defend their right to decapitate you for the greater good: I hope that you will have the courage of your convictions and allow them to do it. Please don't give me any crap about not having started it or stating that you are in some way not culpable for the actions of your government. In truth we are all responsible for those that act in our name (as are muslims) and if your government chooses to continue with its questionable foreign policy (not just in terms of military might, but in terms of foreign trade), and you choose to empower them by either vocally supporting them on places like Digg and it the polling booths, or by remaining apathetically silent, then you accept the fate of the world and your responsibility for it. You are only a tiny cog in a huge machine, but you have the choice on which way to turn and by your actions you have the ability to influence others on which way they go: please don't choose to turn toward greed, arrogance, supremacy and the unquestionable belief that your perspective is unassailably right.
      • C3RV4NTE5, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Those are great words, Jacob. I agree in part with you that we have to make a better world for the next generations and such, but even if you believe in Global Warming, is not happening. For example, 2007 was 0.5 Cº cooler than 2006. All of this is a bussiness to make profit of a natural event. All this climatology thing is caused by the Sun, whether it's a global warming, cooling, earthquakes, hurricanes... They're want you to buy their stupid solar and eolic energy systems (They're so expensive for what they produce, and they cannot if there's no light or no wind. Also, eolic towers make an awful noise), release new products like hybrid cars, and they charge every citizen of the planet with new taxes, based on what they contamine...

        In a few years when we'll have snow on May and June, everyone will blame Al Gore and all the global warming lie. Same as 2000 Effect, and the other global warming alerts of the 20th century.
        • jacobj, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Your confidence in the belief that it is all a great scam is a little worrying. The original perpetrators of the Global Warming notion were not commercial enterprises and a very basic grasp of the principles of biodiversity should make everyone concerned about our impact on nature. Whether it is warming, cooling, mass chemical imbalances: all of it cannot be continued without consideration. Our choice is now, not in the future once the impact occurs - at that time it is too late for us to reverse it: mass extinctions, desertification, it is all irreversible.
  • lucidguru, on 05/07/2008, -19/+127It's not just "obscene" it's ILLEGAL! Bush needs to go to jail!
    • RudeTurnip, on 05/07/2008, -7/+33It would be delicious to see Bush arrested for war crimes the first time he visits some foreign country after he's out in 2009.
      • dafragsta, on 05/07/2008, -3/+4Especially if that country is Iraq.
      • Spoomeister, on 05/07/2008, -2/+2What possible reason would Dubya have to visit a foreign country after his term is up? Wouldn't he just hang out on the ranch?
        • dafragsta, on 05/08/2008, -2/+1No. He doesn't have to put up with the charade any more. He'll be at the bar in Maine eating crabcakes and making up for eight years of lost drinking.

          The big joke is that "the ranch" isn't a ranch at all. It's just a big ***** piece of flair.
    • noisician, on 05/07/2008, -3/+7i'm ok with "obscene"
      torture is abhorrent and offensive to the mind
      • lennybird, on 05/07/2008, -4/+2Obscenity is partially protected under the first amendment - I don't believe torture is... So saying torture is obscene is partly untrue - it's far worse than obscene.

        I would see hope for the human race if Bush was put in prison...
        • ApeInago, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1read it again, torture isn't the subject being obcense.
    • johnomaz, on 05/07/2008, -16/+7No 'torture' as you like to call it:
      Interrogater: "Oh please Mr Terrorist. Give us the informatin we want."
      Terrorist: "No, i will never say!"
      Interrogater: "Ahh come on, you know you want to."
      Terrorist: "No, I really dont"
      Interrogater: "Well, let him go. I know he has the information we want, but I guess being nice just isn't going to work Hope we have better luck next time."

      With 'torure': Interrogater: "Tell us or we'll put these electrodes on your nuts and put 20,000 volts through them!"
      Terrorist: "You're bluffing!"
      ZZZAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
      Terrorist: "Fine, here you go.....blah blah blah"

      Guess what people, war sucks. Nothing is pretty about it. Our troops are tortured for information too. If you don't like it, go bury your head in the sand up in Canada or something. Extreme times call for extreme measures.
      What would you do if a group of terrorist were going to blow up a build that your children were in, or your spouse, or any loved one. And the authorities had a person in custody that could tell you when and where but wouldn't talk. Would you make sure he was confortable. Had nice clean sheets on his bed. Good food to eat? Or would you do like 99% of America and beat the ***** out of him til he talks. Go ahead and deny it, but you know its true.
      Most of you are just on the "I Hate Bush" bandwagon and don't care whats really going on. If he did it, it must be wrong. Get a ***** life...the hippies of the 60s and 70s are long gone. Make peace, not war is a slogan of propaganda for all the activists out there that love to talk talk talk, and who's ideas have no way of ever working in the real world.
      • goomba323, on 05/07/2008, -4/+6That's exactly what the suspect would say, "blah blah blah", anything for them to stop torturing him. What if the man is innocent and doesn't know information that the torturer believes the suspect knows?? Do you keep torturing him until he cracks and tells you false information that would be a waste of money to investigate further? It's a waste of money, it's illegal, and it hurts our standing with the world.

        If you haven't noticed, why we are distracted with this "war on terror" and "nation building", we are losing our spot as "#1" to Europe, China, and ironically, Arab nations. Yeah, keep torturing, cause as you said "desperate times call for desperate measures"....I think those desperate measures should be to STOP the torturing and this war for once and take a chance.
        • cygnus2112, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1Your post is all over the place. The war on terror isn't related to the tanking economy - that has more to do with weak industry, outsourcing, manufacturing jobs, housing market, CEO fraud, etc.

          Anyway, most countries have some sort of cruel or inhospitable environment for prisoners, detainees, etc. Have you heard about jail conditions in South America, France/Europe, Asia, Africa? They don't just border on unfriendly, a good many of them are deplorable.

          Torture shouldn't be condoned, but a lot of people have no perspective because they just want to be fervently anti-American. We should do all within our power to stop actual torture. But some people just get overboard by comparing Guantanamo to the Russian Gulags. Apparently, they've never actually read a history book.
      • pushmouse, on 05/07/2008, -2/+5What the ***** is it going to take for you to understand torture doesn't work except on television and in movies?
        • chicofaraby, on 05/07/2008, -3/+2Are you kidding? He's probably one of the 20% who STILL believe Saddam Hussein attacked the World Trade Center.
          • cygnus2112, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1Are you kidding? You're probably one of the 20% who STILL believe the US attacked the World Trade Center.

            One whacko isn't better than another.
      • SpudgeBoy, on 05/07/2008, -2/+2What a ***** *****.

        "Extreme times call for extreme measures."

        This folks is a Christian exremist wanting a holy war with a Muslim extremist. There is no difference between either group. Either side would kill you for not believing in their god, even though they are both one and the same god. ***** freaks.
        • cygnus2112, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Yeah, the world is full of nutty extremists these days. I just wish they'd kill each other off so we can continue to live in peace.
      • normlsparky, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1you are a complete idiot and a shining example of the neo-con mentality. stand on that moral high ground until it doesn't suit you. you have been watching "24" too much. it is not a reality show, dumbass. it is hollywood based justification tor a neo-con orgasm.
    • goomba323, on 05/07/2008, -3/+5I also find it ironic how Republicans call Democrats "cowards" and "unpatriotic" because we want to stop this war, all the while they are the ones who are unpatriotically sacrificing our troops for what is essentially a quagmire and are the ones who are using "fear tactics" to scare up votes. It seems that they are the true cowards. Are people still actually afraid of terrorist after the patriot act and heightened security EVERYWHERE??
      • jabberwolf, on 05/07/2008, -4/+4Because Democrats are
        They always think that doing nothing prevents war but it usually allows it to fester and blow up into a world dilema.
        Then Republicans have to step in and go to war to fix the problem, while democrats accuse the other of starting a war.
        You have to remember that peace is usually not accomplished by doing nothing or talking about it. It's almost always attained by fighting for it because stronger nations see "peacelovers that do nothing" as weak and take advantage of it.

        So yes, they ARE true cowards and the responsible party for allowing wars to happen. Would you like to make a bet that if obama get's elected, that Iran will attack Israel?!
        • pushmouse, on 05/07/2008, -3/+3Call me crazy but I have a strong sense that having the US do nothing in this cause would have prevented a needless war.
          • cygnus2112, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1I doubt it. Considering Saddam's short history in office, he likely would have started another war with another neighbor.

            Albeit, it wouldn't have been as big or as expensive. But the Iran-Iraq war was just as devastating.
        • Rammsteined, on 05/07/2008, -2/+3It's called diplomacy, something you have obviously never heard of.
        • SpudgeBoy, on 05/07/2008, -3/+2Says the dip ***** right wing ***** that probably hasn't served one day in his miserable little ***** life.
      • wakananda, on 05/07/2008, -3/+2Republicans are an unholy alliance between the very rich and the very stupid.
      • cygnus2112, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1I'm neither a Republican or Democrat - I'm Canadian.

        But before the latest "Bush Wars", wars usually started under a Democrat. Look it up. Vietnam, WWI, WWII, etc

        http://retiary.org/misc_pages/us_presidents_and_wa ...
    • jabberwolf, on 05/07/2008, -3/+4We need to torture MAN BEAR PIG !!
    • JettaMan, on 05/07/2008, -3/+6I think it's obscene that a hypocrite like Gore preaches global warming while running up one of the highest "carbon footprints" in the US.
      • SpudgeBoy, on 05/07/2008, -5/+3ANother stupoid ditto head comment. Can you think of something original, that is true?

        Al Gore has a ***** squad of people of course he uses more carbon and he pays for the off sets. Try again.

        Also, what the ***** does carbon footprints have to do with Bush okaying torture?

        Nothing. You just are trying to deflect off of your tinpot dictator wanna be.
        • cygnus2112, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1....

          Al Gore ditto head.

          Of course it's ***** true. He got busted on the *****. It was rather public, too. His mansion uses the energy of 20 houses. His jetsetting all over the world to reap praise on his movie, his involvement in starting an eco-friendly concert that many musicians bowed out of saying "The last thing the world needs is another big polluting mega concert."
    • robbob, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1Sometimes you gotta do, what you gotta do.
    • MaReKoKa, on 05/08/2008, -0/+0I agree 'torture' is brutal, but we are in a state of war. Why is it that the US has to follow 'rules' but those we fight don't? I don't hear anything about Al Quaeda discussing whether or not beheading/torture is right or wrong. If you are in a fight and the people on your side tells you no hitting in the face and your opponent is bustin' bombs and kicks to yours.... wtf man? Like I said ... I don't agree with the torture thing but c'mon. Right now we have people fighting a war for us... why are we holding them back? It's like a b*tch girlfriend holding her boyfriend's arms while someome kicks his a$$. We are in a war let us fight. How many people here have actually been in a fight? Would you want someone holding your arms?
  • JohnUSeed, on 05/07/2008, -16/+24http://www.ImpeachForPeace.org
    • Monk22, on 05/07/2008, -5/+3wasteyourtime.com
      • SpudgeBoy, on 05/07/2008, -5/+2Is that wher you ***** people hang out. I always wondered where your stupid ideas came from. Wow, knowing is half the battle.
  • duggtodeath, on 05/07/2008, -19/+29Can someone please give Bush a blowjob?
    • vault, on 05/07/2008, -2/+41go for it, big guy.
    • Terr01, on 05/07/2008, -8/+21Well, the Republicans do, in every way short of physically...
      • shadygrove, on 05/07/2008, -3/+12and, alas, too many of the democrats line up to lube him to ass-***** the constitution and the nation.
        • SpudgeBoy, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1It is your leader who called our Constitution a "God damn piece of paper." In one sentence he tried to trash what this country stands for and took his supposed gods name in vain.

          Way to be a hypocrite.
          • Terr01, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2AFAIK the "piece of paper" quote is hearsay that's somewhat difficult to corroborate, so I avoid bringing it up.

            Although some of his actions and positions against parts of the Constitution speak for themselves.
      • FearLess77, on 05/07/2008, -1/+3You could say the same about Obama.
        • Terr01, on 05/08/2008, -2/+1Obama / Bush man love? Say it ain't so!

          Seriously, wtf are you talking about? That doesn't make a damn bit of sense, especially given the split within the Democratic party between Obama and Hillary.
    • midbc, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1but then you have to hang yourself
    • Griberal, on 05/07/2008, -6/+2"Did someone say blow? Yes, please!" -Senator Obama
    • bcamp1973, on 05/07/2008, -1/+3we can't Pelosi is down there sucking away at the moment...oh, and handing him blank checks for the opportunity...
    • C3RV4NTE5, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3He wouldn't feel it, he's not human at all. Literally. He has no regrets when he and his Illuminati buddies burn, rape, torture and sacrifice kids and women in Bohemian Grove, CA every summer to their Owl Babilonian God.
  • Nhmarine, on 05/07/2008, -34/+3Bush's thinking: "as long as no one is torturing me I am ok with torturing terrorists." Oh, wait. That's how I think.
    • InfamousAtheist, on 05/07/2008, -7/+4I bet you "think" a lot like him most of the time.
  • itbescott, on 05/07/2008, -9/+31Things like this really make me sad about the results of the 2000 election.
    • LukasSmith, on 05/07/2008, -10/+4I think long boring ass lectures from President Gore would have been classified as torture. So no I am not sad about the results of 2000 election.
      • zombies187, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1If we read Gore lectures instead of waterboarding POWs, the repubs would find thier balls on tourture.
    • Malacandra95, on 05/07/2008, -1/+9Yep. We wasted 7-plus years and thousands of American lives persuing W's snipe hunt... when we could have been developing alternative sources of energy, weaning ourselves off of fossil fuels, reducing greenhouse gasses. We might have spent the trillons squandered on the Iraq war on things that would have moved us into the 21st Century.
    • LukasSmith, on 05/07/2008, -11/+1Yeah because clean energy turned out soooooo well. Thanks Gore for your crap biofuels that are destroying third world countries dignity and raising the price of food here and around the world. Didn't see that coming did you old man? Food riots and hunger the byproducts of Gores great vision. Oh and America we are not weaning ourselves off gasoline until you and I ween ourselves off gasoline. Walk. Jog. Run. Save the planet.
      • Rammsteined, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2Yes, better to run out of fuel to deliver produce around the country than to suffer some minor temporary economic stress. (sarcasm...)

        Honestly, there wasn't much choice in the matter, it had to happen sooner or later, personally I think sooner is better than leaving it to the last minute.
    • blankoboy, on 05/08/2008, -0/+3Don't torture yourself too much about it. It's pretty much certain that the last 2 elections were entirely rigged (like they always are?).
  • JimmySpaza, on 05/07/2008, -49/+17The only real torture going on is having to listen to the Goracle's ridiculous proclamations...and then watch as followers of his Church of Global Warming repeat everything he says without question.

    Ever since Al Gore's announcement that he didn't know he was in a Buddhist temple and wasn't allowed to accept foreign money for his campaign, I have found him to be completely untrustworthy.

    Maybe the Goracle's eyesight is failing too. After all, how could he not know he was in a Buddhist temple with all the monks running around with robes and shaved heads?

    Poor Goracle. He truly doesn't know how irrelevant he's become.
    • iii9ix3, on 05/07/2008, -4/+10"... Church of Climate Change..."

      *edited*
      • JimmySpaza, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2Al Gore changed the name of his church again?!?
    • NotAChickenHawk, on 05/07/2008, -8/+10Please - the crowd that professes not to believe in global warming are going to keep ignoring all the evidence that supports that global warming is real - right up until the time that all that money they think they're pocketing by ignoring the environment starts to spontaneously combust because its so damned hot.
      • tracywood, on 05/07/2008, -6/+8You know the sad thing.. you really believe what you just wrote...

        Sorry buddy, but in case you have not heard, there's been no warming since 1998, and 2007 was one of the coldest years on record. We are entering global cooling now, just like mother nature always has.
        • flip2trip, on 05/07/2008, -2/+9Which is why it is PC now to say "Climate Change"
          • JimmySpaza, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2In the 70s, it was cool (no pun intended) to say "global cooling". Remember that?

            In the 90s, it was PC to say "global warming".

            Now? Since the alarmists don't have a clue what is happening, it is "climate change".

            Well, hello?!? The climate changes every year. IT'S CALLED SEASONS!!!
        • aadyss, on 05/08/2008, -1/+0tracywood...how cool you are.
    • MattB123, on 05/07/2008, -2/+6So are you saying you think torture is ok, or that waterboarding isn't torture?
      • JimmySpaza, on 05/08/2008, -4/+2Yes, torturing confirmed terrorists in order to save the lives of children is OK.

        I'm not talking about torturing people who are SUSPECTED of being a terrorist.

        I'm talking about torturing the guy with bomb making materials, a picture and map of an innocent marketplace, and the words Islamic Jihad all over the apartment. It's not like the guy is simply an Amway salesman and was planning a sales conference.

        And yes, waterboarding is torture. So is listening to an Amway sales pitch.
    • nathanbutnet, on 05/07/2008, -4/+6Jimmy,
      Respectfully what is more irrelevant: a man who recently won a Nobel and had an extremely high grossing movie whether one agreed with it or not or someone who posts to a subject about torture simply attacking the messenger with his or her own pre-conceived notions?

      Color me tickled though with the irony.
      • JimmySpaza, on 05/08/2008, -2/+11) I wouldn't call it an "extremely high grossing" movie. Extremely high grossing movie = Titanic.

        2) ALL other things being equal, the guy on Digg, like me, would be more irrelevant than Al Gore.

        But, ALL things are not equal. Principle and truth still are more relevant than political expediency, bias, and agendas.

        Thus, ONE post on Digg may have more value and worth than a million political speeches and movies.

        Now, if you are judging everything on its popularity, public awareness, and market share of attention, then Al Gore is more relevant than a hundred thousand Digg users.

        All I said was that Al Gore's ideas have been tested in the public arena and found lacking. Heck, you even had a judge saying that his movie had serious issues. His life in politics has left him tainted. His foray into the world of environmentalism is not without serious problems. And his movie is no longer championed as the purveyor of scientific fact.

        To be blunt, Al Gore's stock is declining, his ability to command attention is weak, and he is, for all practical purposes, becoming increasingly irrelevant.
        • nathanbutnet, on 05/09/2008, -0/+3Apologies for throwing 'extremely' in there - I take it back. It was a grossing movie if that makes you feel better.

          Let me be clear though: attacking the messenger, as you continue to do, is a refuge for the weak minded. Best to argue the points and topic on the merit of said topic... to me anyway.
          • JimmySpaza, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1Agreed, except that Al Gore actually declared himself an expert and uses his name and reputation as a selling point, if you will, for his assertions about our global climate. Therefore, he, himself, is fair game. Otherwise, you'd be correct.
    • LukasSmith, on 05/07/2008, -6/+4I think what is irrelevant is these same bitching and moaning about Bush. Ok guys you have had 8 years to convict this guy throw him in jail impeach him something. You have failed. Continuing in this direction is pointless. 8 years and nothing to show for it Democrats. sound familiar? Besides bleeding heart liberals could care less about torture right now. They are spamming for Obama. Bush wont even be president in a few months. Give it a rest.
      • al3efroman, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3I see what you did there. You just belittled the problem with no substantive defense or counterpoint. Clever.
  • suzywang3000, on 05/07/2008, -42/+20I absolutely detest Al Gore.
    • toxicityj, on 05/07/2008, -6/+12so do I, but I completely agree with him on this one.
    • prosayik, on 05/07/2008, -6/+6I absolutely detest torture.
    • chicofaraby, on 05/07/2008, -5/+4So what? You are only a right wing nut with a dozen Digg IDs.
      • toxicityj, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2yeah? well you're a chicken wrapped in bacon wearing a human suit! see? making wild and crazy accusations is stupid.
        • SpudgeBoy, on 05/07/2008, -1/+1What does him being a chicken wrapped in bacon wearing a human suit have to do with suzywang3000 being a right wing blow hard with a dozen DIgg IDs?
  • TEHxINTERWEBS, on 05/07/2008, -35/+18People care what Al Gore think?
    • mal1964, on 05/07/2008, -5/+7Some diggers will depending on if and who he endorses.
    • prosayik, on 05/07/2008, -2/+7Yes, some people agree with him and care what he thinks and some people don't agree with him and care what he thinks.

      Unfortunately, people you don't agree with don't just disappear. That would be cool though.
      • mal1964, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2You want to live in a world where everyone agrees with you?
    • enzomedici, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Apparently people on digg drink the Al Gore Kool Aid. I guess it is an indication of just how poor the US educational system really is.
  • carbonetc, on 05/07/2008, -12/+26He's super serial about this, guys.
    • Kronikle, on 05/07/2008, -4/+2God shut up already. It stopped being funny a year ago.
    • da_bradler, on 05/08/2008, -2/+1cereal you mean
  • ColonelJessup, on 05/07/2008, -35/+13***** Al Gore.
  • stonewaljacksn, on 05/07/2008, -18/+4THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS
  • mattdawg305, on 05/07/2008, -20/+10who the crap is Al gore?
  • HoratioHellpop, on 05/07/2008, -30/+8Gore. Please STFU and go invent fibre optics.
    • moolaismyfriend, on 05/07/2008, -9/+5hey look its an anti-troop redneck.

      Why do you hate our troops?
  • thcobbs, on 05/07/2008, -10/+21So, now that obama doesn't look to be in jeopardy of losing any more momentum, its time for the digg machine to cue up for Republican bashing.


    Oh Goody.... how long is it till november?
  • shyboy2008, on 05/07/2008, -28/+2define obscene, Gore?

    isnt it obscene you haven't endorse Mrs.Clinton yet? I find that obscene.
  • moolaismyfriend, on 05/07/2008, -10/+9I can't wait for the anit-troops rednecks to come in and say Al Gore doesnt matter.

    ...ohh wait the grunts have already made their way in. I guess Limbaugh is on break today.

  • fleischner, on 05/07/2008, -5/+6Shouldn't "approved torture" be in scare quotes too?
  • DaDrake, on 05/07/2008, -13/+10I don't care for the views of fear-mongering-profiteers.
    • Arcan, on 05/07/2008, -1/+6The contraction! The ambiguity! The doublethink! It's suffocating!
    • Rotzooi, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2...so you voted for Bush. Twice. Good thinking.
  • LMControl, on 05/07/2008, -13/+8Is this "Mr. No governing authority" commenting on what is and what isn't within the boundaries of the law? I find it highly amusing.
    • inavat, on 05/07/2008, -4/+6Yes, god forbid an EX SENATOR (you know, the people who make the laws) and EX VICE PRESIDENT (you know, the people who enforce the laws) comment on what is and isn't within the boundaries of the law. Instead we should pay attention to the commentary of some douchebag on digg.
      • ADA531, on 05/07/2008, -1/+4It is the pot calling the kettle black. For example:

        According to Clinton administration official Richard Clarke:
        “ 'extraordinary renditions', were operations to apprehend terrorists abroad, usually without the knowledge of and almost always without public acknowledgment of the host government…. The first time I proposed a snatch, in 1993, the White House Counsel, Lloyd Cutler, demanded a meeting with the President to explain how it violated international law. Clinton had seemed to be siding with Cutler until Al Gore belatedly joined the meeting, having just flown overnight from South Africa. Clinton recapped the arguments on both sides for Gore: Lloyd says this. Dick says that. Gore laughed and said, 'That's a no-brainer. Of course it's a violation of international law, that's why it's a covert action. The guy is a terrorist. Go grab his ass.'
        --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_Renditi ...
        • SpudgeBoy, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1Wait, you people always say Clinton didn't do anything abotu terrorists. Or do you just post whatever is convenient at the time for trying to make your rediculous points?

          Also, isn't it you peolpe that always pooh pooh Wikipedia.

          Ah ***** it, you people are too wishy washy for me.
      • PolishLogic, on 05/07/2008, -0/+4Why is it obscene now, but it was ok when it was the Clinton Administration doing it?

        Did somebody ask him that question? I doubt it.
        • SpudgeBoy, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1Remember, dittohead, CLinton didn't fight terrorism. He let Osama do whatever he wanted, so your lie is just a lie.
          • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Lie?

            I guess you're right, Bush created torture.
    • dafragsta, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2Is this "Mr. I no governing authority over Al Gore" commenting on what someone can and can't do with their own time, or better yet "Mr. I think free speech is better in theory than practice?" It's within his rights as much as any other American to question the powers that be. Maybe you should try it some time.

      I don't even LIKE Al Gore because he's a hypocrite.
      • Rammsteined, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1"Don't just question authority, Question everything.
        Don't just question authority, Don't forget to question me!"
        -- Jello Biafra and The Melvins, Enchanted Thoughtfist.
  • Hoogs, on 05/07/2008, -19/+6Torture gets results. Ever watch 24? Sure it's just a TV show, but what else are you supposed to do when slimeball criminals don't cooperate?
    • ace429k, on 05/07/2008, -1/+5i haven't seen too much of a result from this torturing. and 24 is a TV show. reality isn't TV
    • Rammsteined, on 05/07/2008, -0/+4There are legal ways to pressure a criminal into testifying, one method would be to threaten to make a press release stating that said criminal has already testified. Depending on the situation, this would disassociate said criminal from his "buddies", who might decide said criminal needs to be taught a lesson in respect.

      Of course, you're still threatening violence, but that's pretty much unavoidable.
    • normlsparky, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1wow, who could argue with the logic of hollywood? i learned how to shoot my glock from watching gang banger movies. who could deny the tactical advantage gained by ignoring the sights on a pistol completely? holding the gun sideways above your head as far as you can reach with one hand while blasting away aimlessly has really helped me at the shooting range. thank you hollywood for the educational opportunities you provide to retards all around the world.
  • Salisme, on 05/07/2008, -6/+18Interesting, especially since when he was VP he was quoted as saying:

    "Gore laughed and said, 'That's a no-brainer. Of course it's a violation of international law, that's why it's a covert action. The guy is a terrorist. Go grab his ass.'[16]"

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_renditi ...

    • dafragsta, on 05/07/2008, -4/+2I've always said he's a hypocrite.
  • Bamont, on 05/07/2008, -5/+11A civilized society doesn't torture prisoners of war.

    Having said that - I also don't pretend like I *know* what goes on behind closed doors because I read out of date memos on the intraweb, or because Rawstory misplaces or tosses up some facade about it on their daily "rip into everyone who disagrees with us" drivel.

    Doesn't make torture justified in the least - but as citizens, we don't have the first clue about what kind of information they've received (whether fact or fiction) and what's been done about said information.
    • VAXcat, on 05/07/2008, -2/+3 A civilized society doesn't torture anybody.
      • PolishLogic, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2I suppose that means that the world is lacking a civilized society then.
        • rewinn, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2When's the last time one of the Nordic nations tortured anyone?
          In fact, the European Union's prosecuted torturers (...and the USA used to...).
    • rewinn, on 05/07/2008, -1/+5Technically, we DO have the first clue about the sort of information "we" got from torture. Look at the Al-Libi case, in which "we" sent a guy to Eqypt for torture. He revealed massive details on Saddam's gigantic WMD operations, which Cheney promptly cited ... and still does. NOT ONE WORD of that information turned out to be true, and in fact when Al-Libi was returned to us he immediately recanted his confession, stating that, after all, he'd been tortured and would say anything. And so would you.
      So that's one clue. Another clue is, of course, John McCain's confessions under torture, which turned out to be phoney. That's another clue.
      • Bamont, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2Two instances do not equal quantifiable evidence. Torture has been used in virtually every major conflict, and in many circumstances has been successful. But again, this is not the only form of interrogation and I do not believe it is the most effective (on top of being both cruel and inhumane).
        • rewinn, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2First you said we don't have a clue, so I pointed out that we DO have a clue.
          So now you're changing the subject, to whether torture is effective. You are simply wrong to claim that is has been successful "in many circumstances". I challenge you to cite ONE instance in which is was "successful". I assure you, I can find MANY MORE to the contrary. starting with the Salem Witchcraft Trials and the Spanish Inquisition on through the "People's Trials" of the Chinese Great Leap Forward and, of course, the torture of American POWs by the North Vietnamese.
          Oh yes, we HAVE a clue. The torture is not and never was to get INFORMATION; it is and always was to get CONFESSIONS.
          The purpose
          • rewinn, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1I note that whoever neg'd this comment couldn't come up with ONE instance in which torture was "successful". Give neg points all you want; inarticulate rage is no substitute for facts!
  • jayscot, on 05/07/2008, -21/+6It's obscene that AL Gore made up that crap about climate change.
  • tracywood, on 05/07/2008, -15/+6I agree, but it's also obscene that you continue to lie to the world about global warming while making millions from it and living a life in total contradiction to what you preach. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
    • corbettkroehler, on 05/07/2008, -5/+3Mr. Gore isn't perfect, that's for sure, but he faces a very broad uphill battle to convince entrenched interests to mend their ways and go green. He won't do that sitting home.
      • tracywood, on 05/07/2008, -2/+5Maybe if he TOLD THE TRUTH about climate change more people would actually take notice.
      • Monk22, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1he faces a very broad uphill battle to convince entrenched interests to mend their ways and go green.............and buy carbon credits (*****) from a company he sits on the board of directors for, and makes tons of money on.
  • killq, on 05/07/2008, -14/+6I find it obscene that Al Gore is allowed to spew ignorance. He should have been re-educated long ago.
    • ace429k, on 05/07/2008, -3/+1hey! i use my forehead to type with the keyboard too!!

  • corbettkroehler, on 05/07/2008, -14/+5Make sure to check out Mr. Gore's update to An Inconvenient Truth. It runs just under 30 minutes and is available free of charge at HotAsVenus.com

    Scroll to the very bottom of the page at the above URL and you can watch a bonus interview with Clive Anderson for the British broadcast premier of his Oscar-winning film.
  • uberchaoslord, on 05/07/2008, -11/+5While I certainly don't support torture, why are we listening to Al Gore? Democrats should be embarassed by him in the same fashion Republicans are embarassed by GW Bush. He bent the truth about CO2-driven climate change, so why listen to him about anything?
  • VitriolAndAngst, on 05/07/2008, -9/+9When progressives mention they don't like someone, you usually get some examples.
    I'm sick of hearing how BAD Gore is, based upon people not liking what he has to say. Even if I don't LIKE what someone, like perhaps Murtha or Ron Paul has to say on economic topics -- I don't HATE any of those people. I don't trust Hillary Clinton and am not voting for her because her support of NAFTA in the past -- sure, she might have been pressured by Republicans to do so -- but why do I need to endorse a pro NAFTA politician when I have an option? I also don't like that she has a world-class Union busting consultant who she just let go (only after some heat) and she runs as the Pro-Union candidate.

    But I don't hate Hillary -- I don't trust her. I also don't trust Ron Paul with economics -- but he seems a "straight shooter" but that is only based upon here-say. I've heard the media give McCain that title -- so I'm pretty sure it is worthless.

    But we have people buying Hillary "nutcrackers" -- we only get this idea that she is such an emasculator, from the people who always worry about this issue, and go to foreign countries with viagra in their pockets. But somehow, she has a rap for being a nutcracker. I'm wondering if these people see Barbara Bush and think "milk and cookies" -- I think there is a lot more of a smoking gun with that lady who gets a free pass. But of course -- she isn't the opposition here.

    Now Al Gore is really BAD. Because people don't like his GW message. OK. Well besides having a message you don't trust -- I don't see him being dishonest and doing bad things. No war crimes, no profiteering,... I think I'm wasting my breathe.

    The demonization will continue, until we've ousted the last corrupt NeoCon, and then the cry will be heard; "can't we all get along?" Yeah, about one day after these BushCo folks have served their sentences.
    • Rotzooi, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2I wish I could see which 8 asswipes dugg you down for writing this thoughtful piece, so I can befriend them and laugh at their stupidity.
  • Blueflie, on 05/07/2008, -21/+4Torture needs to be in our arsenal, you panty wastes that are on this train will be crying "we should do something about it" after the next attack. Gore is an idiot...... Not saying Bush is the right choice, but Gore was/is an idiot.
    • Hetman, on 05/07/2008, -1/+15Torture is wrong for any circumstance. It has proven not to be affective. And it makes us look like an evil empire.
    • GhostyBoy, on 05/07/2008, -1/+12Do you have any idea what people like you are doing to your country?

      You are the laughingstock of the entire world right now and it's because of scumbags like you.
      • Monk22, on 05/07/2008, -6/+1to bad for you he has the right to feel that way.
    • empirefalling, on 05/07/2008, -1/+10Gore: Concerned with the Planet and welfare of Mankind.
      Bush: Concerned with how to torture, bring death upon, wage war and genocide against Non Americans.
    • ssn697, on 05/07/2008, -0/+11Torture has been proven ineffective for decades. Oh, you can get someone to say ANYTHING to stop the torture (ask Colin Powell. He reported ***** info, received from torture). Getting people to tell the truth is a different thing.

      I am NOT willing to accept it is just fine to take the low road. I didn't serve my country so people like you could lower our standards down to the people we are fighting against.
    • JohnReb, on 05/07/2008, -0/+8Torture is unacceptable. It is neither moral nor effective.
      We can debate if something is torture, we can debate what laws apply to prevent torture. No one who flat out endorses torture is right. There is no acceptable place for the statement "Torture needs to be in our arsenal".
    • wakananda, on 05/07/2008, -1/+3Just keep pushing the neofascism - for your love of leather, or whatever, I don't care. Just don't be surprised when history repeats itself and ***** like you get tarred and feathered for promoting this blood orgy. I think the French dragged Nazi collaborators out into the street and shaved their heads; they also met with unfortunate accidents, when they happened to escape prosecution...
  • swrostmore, on 05/07/2008, -6/+22I lol so ***** hard at how pissed off wingnuts get at the mere mention of Al Gore's name..Oh *****, here it comes...Its like Pavlov's dogs. Ting-a-ling@
    • Treoinmypocket, on 05/07/2008, -13/+3You mean like how the DIGG-nuts masturbate over every Obama story?

      Talk about you Pavlovian responses.....
      • swrostmore, on 05/07/2008, -2/+7No, I mean like how right-wing conservative republican ideologues, on Digg or on right-wing talk radio, or roaming the streets in a daze of fear at the latest Orange Alert, hear the words "Al" and "Gore" and immediately start foaming at the mouth and spontaneously develop fits of tourettes, screaming nonsensical phrases like "manbearpig!" or "Goreacle!"
        • Treoinmypocket, on 05/07/2008, -5/+3Oh I see.

          It is similar to how Left-Wing Liberal Democrats - wherever they be found - hear the words "Barack" and "Obama" and immediately start masturbating and drool all over themselves while mumbling "hope" and "change" in a nonsensical, uninformed kind of way.

          So I do see your point. Nuts abound in all groups.
        • swrostmore, on 05/07/2008, -2/+6OH EMM GEE, Democrats have a presidential candidate that they actually LIKE?? Who could have guessed that getting elected was contingent on being a POPULAR FIGURE?
          ...You're completely filled to the brim with fail, man. If I were you I'd just stop trying.
        • PolishLogic, on 05/07/2008, -3/+2You really see the world like that? A world were republicans live and die by what the "threat level" is, and democrats pursue a world based solely on peace, love, and equality?

          I've got a pretty good cross section of friends who are all over the political spectrum, and I don't think any of us has looked at the threat level color since a week or two after it was unveiled. Some of my republican friends have maybe heard a 1/2 hour of Rush Limbaugh (probably from news clips), and some of my democratic friends could give two ***** about Tibet or Darfur.

          Jesus, apparently somebody really loves bigoted blanket generalizations. Bravo.


          By the way, am I a republican ideologue for pointing out that Al Gore never uttered a peep about the evils of torture when it was occurring under the Clinton administration, or while he was busy serving on the House Intelligence Committee? Or, am I merely pointing out the partisan based hypocrisy of his statements?
          • swrostmore, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3Are you a republican ideologue? Lets see.... Creating a straw man position and then declaring the person to whom you attribute that straw man to be a bigot based on the position you invented? CHECK. Blaming Clinton, including baseless claims that the Clinton administration tortured suspects? CHECK. Attacking Al Gore? CHECK. Defending Bush in every post you make? Check. Yeah, you probably are a republican ideologue.
          • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1You're a complete and utter fraud if you are going to sit there and tell me that the Bush administration created torturing of suspects. My point on Gore stands true. Why not speak out about our torturing of suspects when it was happening while he held any of his federal offices?

            Democrat ideologue: Blame Bush for everything wrong in your life and the world.


            psst............ I didn't defend Bush in my above comment, did I pumpkin.
  • snobrder218, on 05/07/2008, -13/+7People of Digg:
    I'm here to educate you on the single biggest threat to our planet. You see there is something out there that threatens our very existence. And may be the end to the human race as we know it. I'm talking of course about ManBearPig. It is a creature which roams the Earth alone. It is half man, half bear...and half pig. Some people say that ManBearPig isn't real, well I'm here to tell you now that ManBearPig is very real and he most certinally exists. I'm sereal. ManBearPig doesn't care who you are, or what you've done. ManBearPig simply wants to get you, I'm super sereal. But have no fear, because I am here to save you. And some day, when the world is rid of ManBearPig, everyone will say, "Thank you Al Gore, you're super awesome!"

    The end!

    Excelscior!
  • zenithmbr, on 05/07/2008, -5/+8Obama-Gore '08
    • bphicke, on 05/07/2008, -7/+1That is the one thing that would make me vote for McCain.
      • bphicke, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1To clarify, I was referring to Gore.
  • shadygrove, on 05/07/2008, -5/+5it's too bad that al gore became a candidate worth electing *after* the 2000 election. he was so stale in 2000 that no one i knew could bare to vote for him. we all voted nader (in ny, where the state was in no risk of tipping to dubya) because we couldn't stand the way he pandered to the corporate profiteers. the work he's done since florida was stolen from him has been *very* valuable and the speeches he's delivered on the violations committed by the bush / cheney regime have been passionate and completely on point. alas, the al gore of the past five years wasn't the same one who ran in 2000. he's as much as said so on the daily show. the new al gore is passionate and principled and worth listening to. the one who ran in 2000 played it safe and only said what he thought people wanted to hear. too bad, 'cos i think more people would have voted for the passionate and principled al gore and it would have been harder for the repugnants to steal it from him. let's hope that obama can keep florida and ohio from getting fixed by the repugnants.
  • Hetman, on 05/07/2008, -2/+8I wish al gore was running for president. It angers me that he lost in the first place. And now his popularity is so high there is no way he could lose a general election.
    • FinStrat, on 05/07/2008, -2/+0Too bad Gore took the election to the court
      • shadygrove, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1my perspective is "too bad gore didn't immediately call for a statewide recount." instead, he tried to get recounts in districts where he thought he'd gain votes... had he called for a statewide recount, he would have had more credibility with the public and not just looked like he was playing politics to come out ahead.
        fact: thousands of minority voters who would have voted for gore were disenfranchised in florida. had gore tried to defend the rights of all registered voters instead of simply the ones he wanted counted his column, he would have been declared the rightful winner. as my dad put it after florida "the republicans stole it, but they stole it fair and square" ie within the boundaries of the corrupt system by having control of florida's political process. we'd all be feeling very different about the direction of the nation if gore had been in office. he was a sell-out, but not a complete scourge upon the earth.
    • enzomedici, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1haha, you are one dumb bastard. Al Gore would lose in a landslide dude.
  • Treoinmypocket, on 05/07/2008, -6/+9Gore has been torturing baloney sandwiches for over a decade now....what's HIS beef?
  • Ricemanstm, on 05/07/2008, -10/+3Wing nuts...nice. Uhmmm...speaking of wing nuts...Mr. High Priest of Global Warming Paranoia has no ground to stand on. The fact that he's conned the whole f-ing planet into believing his BS should be a high crime unto itself. But hey, when you've got a planet full of socialist sheep...what more do you expect...
    • al3efroman, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2So you are sincerely more upset over perceived inaccuracies in a film than torture sanctioned by the federal government? How are these even part of the same conversation? Utter nonsense.
  • socketman, on 05/07/2008, -16/+6Al Gore = Michael Moore = lying liberal loser = Epic Fail = Buried
    • malex, on 05/07/2008, -1/+4So, you're okay with torture. Great. Nice to see you America haters being honest for once.
  • rodgerse, on 05/07/2008, -14/+5You know what else is "obscene", Captain obvious?.

    Your home/mansion uses 20x more electricity/energy than the average americans.Talk about hypocrisy, huh?.Isn't that an "inconvenient truth"?.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/gorehome.a ...

    By the way, not that anyone cares, but you gonna endorse anytime soon????.You see a winner yet???.
  • nathanbutnet, on 05/07/2008, -3/+6Ok, I think the obscene word is a bit played out in this thread. Move on people.

    Might I suggest how to move on? Forget the messenger and perhaps discuss the actual topics. They are of course vitally important to our society.
    • Nutmegan, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1The messenger is the topic. Al Gore's name is the only reason this is on Digg, aside from the anti-Bush nature of the headline, of course.
      • rewinn, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2So torture is not important to you?
        I assure you, it is important to America, our reputation, and the greatly increased danger to our military personnel from Bush's practices.
      • al3efroman, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Ummm.. what about the obvious anti-torture nature of the headline. Al Gore isn't selling anything to anyone at the moment. He's not running for office. His movie came out several years ago. This is about torture. Dismissing this point because it was made by Al Gore, while fun for some, certainly doesn't make what he says about our governments participation in torture any less accurate. It just makes you look bitter.
        • Nutmegan, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1I didn't dismiss the point. He dismissed Gore as not part of the topic when it starts with his name and ends with his picture.
          • al3efroman, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Sure you did. You're still tiptoeing around it.
          • nathanbutnet, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1I would not necessarily say that I dismissed Gore as part of this topic but rather that I was dismayed to read most of the comments preceding mine not about this important torture topic and rather about the messenger. I had hoped people would in fact move on and address this, to me, critically important topic namely: our highest elected (and appointed) representatives sat around a table to discuss specific torture techniques and torture subjects.

            To further this discussion I will say to me personally that I would not use the word obscene in particular but rather: I expect more from us and all our citizens (elected or otherwise)... we are above this.
    • shadygrove, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2stay within the bounds of the topic?
      OBSCENE!
  • omgTHEPATRIOTS, on 05/07/2008, -4/+7President Obama ought to immediately order Bush and Cheney arrested at the Inauguration.
    • amightywind, on 05/07/2008, -6/+3My hope is Bush has Obama executed for treason before he leaves office.
      • omgTHEPATRIOTS, on 05/07/2008, -4/+2Don't worry, we'll have you executed too for supporting treasoners.
    • Hetman, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2Politicians do not eat their own when it comes down to it. Republican or Democrat they are not going to arrest any former politicain. Actually it is way more likely they would give him a pardon. It is good for the democrats and republicans to be the only two powers in America. They know eventually one of them will win a couple of times and then the other will win. It is more of a facade than an actual choice.
  • Hetman, on 05/07/2008, -2/+2If I was Al Gore I would not endorse anyone yet either. Why put yourself in front of a ***** storm unless you have to. Regardless of who you endorse you are dealing with people who will smear you all to hell if you go against them. Both sides.
    • shadygrove, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1do we really know this about obama's camp yet? i don't believe we do.
  • oldcyborg, on 05/07/2008, -5/+4Al Gore is obscene!!!! Pot calling the kettle black, as we used to say..... I won't even get into it.....

    Cyborg
    • al3efroman, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Pot calling kettle? Is Al Gore now the Commander in Chief? Has he been approving torture concurrently with his movie and book tours? How about a comment that is on-topic?
    • shadygrove, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1please do "go into it"... we'd like to know how gore's behavior is even comparable. he was a lame candidate in '00 but since leaving office, he seems to have regained something that might be called "his soul"...
  • amightywind, on 05/07/2008, -15/+6It is more obscene that this slob has a $30000 electric bill while telling me my usage is too high.
    • martynda, on 05/07/2008, -3/+6RIGHT! Because your electric bill trumps people getting tortured and killed for the personal gain of a select few. Wave that flag in your avatar proudly, it shows you care!
      • amightywind, on 05/07/2008, -4/+2I wouldn't call it torture. I would call it aggressive questioning of enemy combatants. I remember Abu Zarkawi beheaded some of ours. Even Stephen.
        • PolishLogic, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1Save your breath. It's been pointed out that he stood by quietly when it was happening while he was VP, and now that it's the "other side" doing it he finds it appalling. Yet, for some reason people just can't face that part of reality because they don't want to believe that it happened.
        • banderwocky, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Your pixels are made in China.
      • PolishLogic, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1It trumps it in my opinion.

        Stopping torture affects a select few (those being tortured), responsible energy usage and conservation affects our entire planet for generations to come. So take that.
        • martynda, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2Take what? You being Polish and logical should know how awesome torture is, it happened in your back yard to a FEW million people. There is a reason it's a crime against humanity. The childish attacks on Gore over his yearly electrical Bill for a 20 room mansion (forgive the guy for being successful, you let me know what your electrical bill is for a cardboard box) are just a way to change the subject to something completely unrelated. If you care about the environment so much, why don't you research this administration's environmental policies.

          Thousands of lives are lost in Iraq, but look, Britney spears shaved her head, there's something to be outraged over.
          • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Ok, how about Gore's silence on torture while serving as VP or maybe will sitting on the House Intelligence Committee. You'd have thought he would have been a little more outspoken about our techniques back then.
  • empirefalling, on 05/07/2008, -6/+3America has begun a state of degeneration. Even with the election of Barack Obama as it’s Leader, it can not recover from it’s decline. It can not survive in it’s present form for much longer. Currently there is discussion amongst other nations more advanced than the US of how to deal with such a debilitated monster. Many considerations have been laid out upon the “drawing board”. One such initiative that has gained favor amongst this assemblage of Advanced Nations is the division of the former US into separate regions. Each region would be administered to by a group of Nations. Each region would be governed according to it’s needs. Each group of governing nations would report to and receive plans for directing it’s region from a higher body, most likely the United Nations. By splitting the former US into separate regions it would insure that the US would not return to fascist state. Eventually, autonomous regions would be formed for Native Americans, Blacks and Hispanics.
    • Hetman, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2That sounds like a quote from slaughter house 5 is it. But anyways we are 1 union. And we will stay 1 union. If you believe that you could actually split up the U.S. You would have to do it by force. And by force I mean we would blow the rest of the world up we are madd.
      • empirefalling, on 05/07/2008, -2/+3Your decay was caused from within and your eventual transformation to an antiwar, anti-aggressive grouping of peoples will be completed with assistance. That assistance has been requested repeatedly by the citizens of the US.
        • ilikea, on 05/07/2008, -3/+2Empire? Have you lost your senses?? We are the greatest nation on this earth, I'm so happy and lucky to live here, I checked you out, and I see where you are really coming from. If it was up to you, I'd have to wear a burkha, and not work, not drive, yeah, I know you. We have the most freedom you will ever know, and you are so farkin' jealous, you really think some morons in some smoky room are gonna chop us up? How little you know this country or it's people. Where is your country? Are you heading on over to Bhurma to help out? We are. suck it.
          • empirefalling, on 05/07/2008, -1/+3Your freedom comes from monetary gain and collection. Millions in the US who do not have vast amounts of "money" are destined to a life of hardship, ill health, decrepit living conditions and minimal education.....all the while being looked down upon and ignored by the rich upper classes.
      • Hetman, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2Please pick up an american history book. You seem to lack an understanding of american history. We have not been anti-war or anti-aggressive since the beggining of our nation. I could list all the wars and lands we took but it would take to long. Since 1776 we have faught on almost every continent against almost every type of people. I cannot really even list them all I was trying but my list got to long. Anyways I dunno what you are talking about. And the same can be said about Europe but I do not see you crying for their downfall.
        • empirefalling, on 05/07/2008, -2/+2Europe has learned a great lesson from it's Fascist Period and has now surpassed the US on almost every point of civilization.
          Europe does not have a "military". It does not invade countries to obtain what it needs. It asks and cooperates.
        • Hetman, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2In a few years people well be begging us for food. And we will be using alternative fuels. There will be no need for asking or cooperating. But being the great nation that we are. We will still provide as we are doing now free food. And we will provide it to the rest of the worlds population that cannot support themselfs. I hope someone learns out how to make bread from oil for your sake. Because we can make oil from bread already "grain".
    • shiftclick, on 05/07/2008, -1/+5You know, you think you're smart - but you're really not. We are not French. We are close to Canada, but still, not French. American's believe in protecting our freedom and will and have fought to the death. I also seem to remember us fighting for other peoples freedoms as well. Oh, and don't ever mention the United Nations again. That organization is as useless as peace in the Middle-East. And will end much sooner.
      • empirefalling, on 05/07/2008, -1/+1America believes in protecting your oil reserves. It could care less about Canada's citizens.
      • Hetman, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2He is not saying we are protecting Canada. He is saying we will not allow a foriegn power to come into our country and disturb us. Much of which is happening to the french right now.
    • mweflen, on 05/07/2008, -0/+3We began our road to ruin when we all forgot how to use apostrophes.
  • rheaume, on 05/07/2008, -9/+3You know whats obscene? Is a rich guy flying private jets! Torture is cool!

    Fire up the stars and stripes hummers *****! Were going ridin'!

    USA! USA! USA!

    /Moron
  • yngtimmy, on 05/07/2008, -4/+11We need to take global warming and put it into a "lockbox"
  • lead2thehead, on 05/07/2008, -14/+2I see a lot of dishonest people here. Your outrage is not based on compassion for the insurgents... it's based on your hatred of Bush. The people you're defending are the same people who are sawing soldiers heads off while videotaping it and chanting "Allah Akbar!" And you're is outraged because we poured water on somebody's face? I'm not buying it.
    • Hetman, on 05/07/2008, -0/+4I am outraged that we would act like monsters. We are supposed to be the moral authority for the world. That means we do not torture for any reason. "He who fights monsters should look into that he himself does not become a monster. When you gaze long into the Abyss, the Abyss also gazes into you." ~Friedrich Nietzsche
      • blackprizm, on 05/07/2008, -1/+1@lead2thehead - If Iraq invaded your neighborhood and killed your aunts and uncles, you can bet your ass that you'd be sawing the heads off of Iraqi soldiers off too. I'm not saying it's right, but it's easy to see why it's happening.
        • lead2thehead, on 05/07/2008, -2/+0No I wouldn't, actually. And I find this selective moral outrage to be a little disturbing. Bush approved waterboarding?! THAT BASTARD! Throw him in jail!! Wait... what?... Al Zarqawi sawed a reporter's head off? Oh well... boys will be boys.
      • lead2thehead, on 05/07/2008, -4/+0I agree... but I don't consider pouring water in someone's face to be an act of torture.
    • empirefalling, on 05/07/2008, -2/+5The Freedom Fighters to which you refer only wish to retain their liberty and customs. They did not ask nor want to be invaded by a hostile government whose only purpose in its assault was to steal and control the natural resources of their land. The US propaganda cabaret of 9/11 was seen for what it was almost immediately after it’s commencement.
      • lead2thehead, on 05/07/2008, -1/+0Al Qaida is not fighting for freedom. They're fighting for power and control. Back when they had their "liberty and customs", they used them to bomb the USS Cole, the WTC (1998), two of our embassies, the WTC _again_ and the Pentagon. Call me crazy, but I don't think they should get to keep their "liberties and customs" anymore.

        And if we were going to steal their oil, we would have done it 5 years ago.
        • wakananda, on 05/07/2008, -0/+3It's THEIR COUNTRY. We have no business invading them (coincidentally apportioning their oil wealth) to bestow "freedom" upon them. This was a "premptive" attack. That is, UNPROVOKED. Try that defense in court: "He was a bad, bad man your honor. He gassed his own children - I know, because I sold him the gas (he was supposed to gas his neighbor). So I had to go to his house, break down his door, and shoot him. And his wife. And a bunch of his kids, who got in the way. So the ones that remained alive could be FREE."
          • lead2thehead, on 05/08/2008, -1/+0Iraq is Al Qaida's country? Apportioning oil wealth? What? I would love to respond to that if I could figure out what the hell you were talking about.
  • Plantagenet, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1Gosh...three mass murderers captured after 9/11 were waterboarded for 45 seconds to find out about other planned terrorist attacks. Then, for the next 6 years, the dems spent more time complaining about the 45 seconds of waterboarding then about the murder of 3000 Americans on 9/11.
  • Griberal, on 05/07/2008, -1/+1I think that it's obscene that Al Gore spent 8 years as vice president, and he didn't do anything to stop global warming. As soon as, he was out of office, he bitches and moans about the new administration not doing anything to stop it. This fat clown needs to shut the hell up and stop killing out planet by flying around in his private jets and running up $10,000/month electric bills. This is our only planet and he is killing it while profiting off of the fear-mongering.
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