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- forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -25/+74"This is like trying to claim that all Democrats are racists because Robert Byrd used to be a grand-dragon for the KKK."
No, it's certainly nothing like that at all. If there was an extensive list of Democrats who were also members of the KKK, then we could call it a pattern.
You don't get to blame Democrats for things Republicans do. If you'd like to blame Democrats for something, cite a source. No one cares what you WANT to be true. All that matters are facts.
We don't live in a "faith-based" reality. We live in reality. - forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -13/+45"It's obvious that this proves that democrats are moral!"
Logical fallacy. It says nothing about Democrats at all.
All it shows is that there's a suspiciously large number of Republican pedophiles. Defend that all you want. It's sort of creepy that you'd try, though.... - eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32It is given from the list that:
"Many republicans are pedophiles."
"All pedophiles are immoral."
From that you can conclude that "many republicans are immoral."
You cannot, however, conclude anything about democrats from this information. - forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -19/+46"Go choke on your own *****."
Angry != Smart
I understand that it bothers you when people point out enormous lists of pedophiles within a party that you refuse to accept is capable of wrongdoing. But being upset about it isn't going to magically make it go away.
If you'd like to support your assertion throughout this thread that "just as many Democrats have been found guilty" of pedophilia, then I'm afraid you'll have to cite a source. Just wanting it to be true isn't going to make it so.
No one cares what you think. Can't you folks ever find any evidence for any of the crap you claim? Ever? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Uh... anyone want to start the "Committee to Tattoo Ex-Representative Foley's Forehead with His Victim's Names"?
- postaboy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21nvm im deleting my account
- Denver80203, on 10/12/2007, -17/+33So, why did Hastert let Foley go for nearly a year after finding out about this? CONS are out of control... time for a change
- Eleo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17I'm going to get downed for this one; but having sex with a 17 year old doesn't really count as pedophilia. At age 17 you're damn near adulthood. It's illegal (in many but not all cases in the United States) and many people would reject the concept, yes, but I can't say that it's anywhere near as wrong, morally or ethically, as having sex with a kids who are as young as 10 or 11.
People forget that pedophilia involves prepubescent minors, and always equate adult + minor as pedophilia when that's not precisely the case. - bennyboy371, on 10/12/2007, -9/+23You know what? This is just going to be a big flame war.
As a democrat, I have to say that the generalization of Republicans being pedophiles is disgusting. I know theres a good list, but I'm sure there are plenty of democrat pedophiles. How about we throw pedophiles in general into a ***** up group instead? I understand that its pretty simple to start talking trash to people whose views are different than yours, but come on, this is ridiculous. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Pedophilia is not a function of any conservative views, except to the extent that social repression and denial doesn't help stop the behavior nearly as much as proper treatment. It's more the other way around. If pedophiles tend to be conservative, it's likely that they also tend to seek positions of power which allow them to continue as such.
Along those lines, it's a certain class of people--specifically, ones who have stunted emotional development, an insensitivity to others, a belief in their own moral infallability, and a strong lust for power--that are most succeptible to pedophilia.
It just happens that this also describes a good number of people in leadership positions in the GOP as well (though not necessarily the rank and file) and some Dems too, no doubt. And some of the traits I mentioned do indeed overlap. But it doesn't mean that someone who naturally believes in lower taxes or smaller government has any desire for sex with children. That's a non-starter.
But the emotional/sexual stunting combined with a lack of empathy is critical, as pedophilia is not always rape from the adult's perspective -- sometimes a pedophile genuinely believes (incongruously) that a child can or does consent to sex (see NAMBLA). The fact that the adult is attracted to children in the first place indicates the mental sexual age of the pedophile is stuck near the age of the victim. We are all, generally speaking, attracted to people of our own mental age.
I wrote more about this a while back if anyone is interested: http://www.brownianemotion.org/2006/04/05/the-mental-age/ - TrevorBradley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Except that "Many" is a weasel word. How many? Most? Half? 5%?
I appreciate the attempt at critical thinking though. At best we can get from "Person 1, 2, 3, .. 50 are pedophiles. Person 1, 2, 3 .. 50 are Republicans. Pedophiles are amoral." to "Not all Republicans are moral" or "Some Republicans are amoral" as a conclusion.
Still, this list creeps me the ***** out. - deanlowe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I think we can all agree that one is one too many.
- psylion, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12"What's with the huge influx of political stories on digg now?"
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they added a political news section.
"This is like trying to claim that all Democrats are racists because Robert Byrd used to be a grand-dragon for the KKK. Lame." During the post-reconstruction period after the abolition of slavery Democrats were racists. That was a huge part of their party platform. It is only relatively recently that republicans have taken over as the southern centric racist party.
It probably isn’t fair to paint all republicans with the pedophile brush but I have noticed a disproportionate number of evangelical Christian perpetrators in my work with sexual abuse victims (I am a psychotherapist). I don’t care if they are republican or democrat I just think they should be thrown in the jail with the other inmates knowing exactly what they did. - forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17"The reason so much more is made of it when Repubs do it is that morality and family values are part of their party platform."
Well, and also the fact that there's a huge list of Republicans that have done it.
I'm sure it's true that there are plenty of Democratic pedophiles. But that's purely speculative, on all of our parts, because no one seems to be able to come up with the evidence.
I've just linked to a big long list of Republican ones. Somehow, despite this, the issue is still up for debate. - johndi, on 10/12/2007, -11/+19Looks like rhetoric, not logic, to me. Interesting that you talk about logic fallacies and then blindly do the same by assuming allthewhile is defending Republican pedophiles. It is just as bad when committed by either party.
The reason so much more is made of it when Repubs do it is that morality and family values are part of their party platform. - CoolWind, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"it's a certain class of people--specifically, ones who have stunted emotional development, an insensitivity to others, a belief in their own moral infallability, and a strong lust for power--that are most succeptible to pedophilia. It just happens that this also describes a good number of people in leadership positions in the GOP"
Excellent description, except "a belief in their own moral infallability" is backwards, and it doesn't "just happen". These conservative people are all too painfully aware of their own immoral nature. They hide it by living a lie, because the truth would require them to be behind bars where they belong.
Look at Republican values and then look at Republican behavior. They are diametrically opposed. Don't hold your breath waiting for a Republican administration to run a small government. Do you still believe Bush loves freedom after everything he's done to destroy it? Can you see that Cheney is evil? It's right there on the surface for everyone to see.
Yes, there is a pattern, conservatives are more deviant, and more dangerous, and more hypocritical than liberals. - eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13hooray!
- forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@ mike1207
"I hope "forumgirl" is raped and butchered."
Wouldn't it be easier (and somewhat less messy) to just digg the article down? - ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9What a liar, your account is still there apparently, I'm dissapointed.
- littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8What the hell are you talking about? NeoCONS turned infidelity with an adult woman into the biggest bogus political issue in modern history. Not to mention making an embarrassment of themselves to the entire world! Spending 40 million on nothing and drawing pictures of vaginas on the Senate floor. Go sell it to someone with no capacity for independent thought.
- forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16"I'm sure there are plenty of democrat pedophiles."
I'm not really sure why this keeps coming back as some kind of valid response.
Sure, there probably ARE lots of Democratic pedophiles. But it's purely conjecture - there isn't any evidence.
Meanwhile, there are vast lists of Republican pedophiles.
You can't will that not to be true, just because lopsided partisan arguments make you feel icky. Go sing kumbaya somewhere else. The time for "can't we all just get along" is over. - forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10@ Imus
"Because evidence only relates to specifics. Lists are statistics."
But it's a list of SPECIFIC Republican pedophiles. It's not an op-ed about suspected Republican pedophila. It's names and crimes. What more, exactly, would you need?
"Now does his list somehow compel someone to believe that Democrats are pedophiles? If he had a larger list perhaps?"
Yes, exactly right. If he had a larger list, I'd think suspicion of a pattern would be warranted. My hypothesis really is that simple. - evazan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9It's hardly politicizing the story when multiple Republicans within congress actively tried to hide the fact that one of their own is a pedophile. If anything, the Republicans are the ones seeking political gain by aiding and abetting a predator of children for god's sake.
Are you sure you want to defend the kind of people who lie and cover up for a creep who preys on teen boys because they are worried it will make them look bad?
Now that's astonishing. - pintong, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I'm waiting for the article on Democrat pedophilia, because with numbers like these, there's bound to be a few Democrats, too.
- richmanwisco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I can't believe I had to scroll halfway down until the true point was made. Well done, CoolWind.
It's the dichotomy and hypocrisy that's the point here. This is the party that purports to be the keepers of values in this country. When you say you set the standards, you had better live by those standards. When "thou shalt" doesn't, then you deserve the ridicule and scorn.
Look, I once considered myself a conservative, and to large extent I still do. But when the fundamentalists coopted the Republican Party for their own greedy ambitions, I got off the bus. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8For a balanced assessment there should be a list of Democrats who have been convicted of pedophilia, until then we can't make accusations against either party. While I understand your warranted frustration, I would point out that the handful of individual cases that you provided is not sufficient, nor does it in any way balance the scales of this urbandictionary list.
- forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Glad to see so much activity on this topic.
For those of you who are getting all riled up at the hate-mongering, perhaps you need a reminder about the hordes of sweatsuit wearing flyover-country janitors who, to this day, get steaming mad just thinking about what Clinton did with that intern - that ADULT intern.
Now, faced with a catalog of Republican child predators, you insist that the very existence of the thing is nothing more than partisan mudslinging. Well, no, it's a catalog of Republican child predators. The fact that it exists should tell you something about THE PEOPLE ON IT, not the people who compiled it.
None of this is surprising, though. You're the party that has shown, time and time again, that facts just aren't as interesting as what you wish to be true. The term "Reality-based community", you should realize, was used by a Republican as a PEJORATIVE term, to decry people like me who get swayed by evidence.
Sometimes, your heroes get held to account for their actions. Sorry that bothers you. - NapoleonGold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I am sad to say that all people in power have a prediliction to power over others,
and somehow it seems that translates to children.
I really do not know but over the years I have heard to many cases of this sicko ***** from all sides involving everyone in power. God I hope I am wrong, but it seems that their is an institution of abuse at this point.
I really hope I am wrong about this one, but after hearing about boys town I am waiting for proof that institutiuonlized pedophelia does in fact not exist.
And yes I am comfortable to get Dugg Down for this comment.
But please prove me wrong. - psion01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Holy crap! I thought this was just a list of Republican congressmen who had molested children, but it turns out to be a list of any child molester who happened to be a known Republican. It's pretty clear that whoever put this list together has a political axe to grind ... an effort at a Democratic October Surprise? Is this list comprehensive?
According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, law enforcement agencies estimated that there were 96,000 reported cases of forcible rape in 1996, and that of these, 45.8% of the victims were aged 17 or under. So around 45,000 children were raped. Forcible sodomy, forcible assault with an object, and forcible fondling are counted separately and would drive the total number up considerably. Assuming that 1996 was a typical year and things have not changed appreciably since then, over 450,000 children were raped in the last ten years. It would not be unreasonable to double this number and arrive at an estimate of 900,000 total cases of child molestation, including rape for that same period.
Of the molesters, 45 were known Republicans. - fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Democrats ARE NOT PEDOPHILES.
We are womanizers and sluts, but at least our sexual preferences are for those of legal age. - TrevorBradley, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6<colbert>You can just take your partisan "facts" back to Cuba, comrade... </colbert>
- UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7mike1207 should be banned from digg for the above comment.
- forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"All I am doing is pointing you out as a smear merchant who turns a blind eye to your own party."
By all means, come up with your own data then.
Don't you folks get it yet? No one cares any more what you WANT to be true. All that matters is evidence.
We don't live in some sort of silly "faith-based' world, where evidence that things we don't want to know is irrelevant while fantasies about things we wish were true suddenly become true. It didn't work in Iraq, it doesn't work about global warming, and it isn't working for you now.
No matter how much you want Democrats to be equally culpable, until you can show some evidence that they, in fact, are, then you don't get to have your way. That's how it works.
I'm sorry that you don't like it. But instead of coming back for more humiliation from me, if this is really something you care about then I suggest you get to work. - hootdoodie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5There must be lots of bad people in both parties. But the big sales pitch from the Republicans is on gays abortion and family values. Here we've got one of their leaders not having very good family values and acting gay.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9There are also vast lists involving the old 1998 "Clinton Conspiracies and Murders" or better known as the "Clinton Body Count" but it turned out much of it was untrue. I'll give that and this the benefit of the doubt, it is indeed ridiculous.
http://www.jeremiahproject.com/prophecy/clintbodycnt.html
Both lists look remarkably similar in style and format. - HickJew, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Gotta love those Republican Family values!
- forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9"My point is that lists like these are a fallacies in and of themselves. They serve only one point of view. I couldn't tell you if Republicans or Democrats are more likely to be pedophiles but I know for sure you will never find the truth from a list like this."
You're absolutely right. But the list isn't really what's interesting.
The LACK of an opposing or "bi-partisan" list is what's so compelling. Maybe supporters of the DNC are just better at fact-finding. Or maybe there's a pattern.
"I know for sure you will never find the truth from a list like this."
How else, besides evidence, can we ever converge on any truths about anything? Unless you're advocating a faith-based approach to pedophilia prosecution....in which case, again, all bets are off. - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@tigerdyr
Right on the money. As I have said, anything short of the way Digg works is no longer acceptable, like Yahoo! "discussion" of news articles. I love Yahoo! but their discussion of news articles has become an Asylum.
What you see on Digg is repressed majority opinion coming out. - forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10"Want me to go on?"
Sorta, yeah, I do. I mean, kudos to you for actually taking the plunge and trying to come up with some sources. A couple of those articles have to do with a perception of lenience on the part of Democratic officials when sentencing CIVILIAN pedophiles, as opposed to actual Democratic officials being accused of pedophilia. But I'll give you points for effort.
You've got......6.....sources. Scales look balanced to you?
"I suggest to my democratic friends that if they are going to get themselves into the business of judgemental generalizations, that they should pick and choose topics about things of which they are beyond reproach."
Beyond reproach? Won't you settle for "overwhelmingly less guilty than the other guys". I like the idea that we're hypocrites because there are, in fact, cases of Democratic pedophilia. But the Republican pedophiles who attempt to pass legislation protecting children....[crickets.....]
"Again....hypocrites, the lot of you."
Again....angry != smart.
Happy election season. - neptytune, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Even though I do not agree wholly with compiling the list, the thing that disturbs me the most is that the Republican party pushes for family values. The Republican party doesn't want gays to marry. The Republican party doesn't want gays to adopt children. The Republican party pushes that being gay is a choice, and doesn't deserve any sort of safeguard as a minority. Maybe part of that fear of the Republican Party is brought about by what they do to their own children and the people around them. The even scarier part is that many in the Republican Party knew what Foley was doing, but they didn't even stick up for "family values." Maybe "family values" means keeping your skeletons in the closet, and preaching against them in public. This is what makes the list striking. In addition, I'm sure there's a list of Dems too.
- tigerdyr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6You do realise that digg has moved beyond technology right? If you actually read this page once in a while it should be hard to miss that.
Along with the change, they made it possible for you to CHOOSE what categories you wanted to see. Stop bugging us with silly nostalgia, it's entirely unnessecary. - ka2err, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5This says very little to nothing.
Now, give us the size of the group and the time-interval this data is about.
And the number of pedophiles in different groups of different size (eg. general population in the US).
Then we could start analyzing the data for trends.
Of course the data says that a child molester sometimes tries to hide by pretending to have a strong anti-abuse- anti-sex anti-abortion so-called-christian-values opinion.
That's not news.
(I think that the most annoying "Think of the children"-extremists live in great fear of themselves being molesters and that the loudest gay-bashers are afraid of the gay person inside themselves, but this is FELT STATISTICS and not science.)
k2r - Alcorsu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6http://www.digg.com/offbeat_news/Pedophile_inmate_gets_pwned
Nice. - forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"Hypocracy much?"
No.
I can't help that you're angry. I guess it makes sense, if you're more concerned about sticking with your party than you are about pedophilia.
I mean, it's creepy that people like you think the way you do. And it's even creepier that you tend to keep getting others like you in positions of authority. Hopefully, someday that will change.
But I'm not here to argue with you, any more than I'm here to argue with a pedophile. Defend whatever you want. It's certainly only going to make one of us look worse....
That moral high ground your party is standing on? It's smoke and mirrors. - forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"the girl in question was 16"
You're right, of course. It's clearly completely innocent.
What WOULDN'T you folks defend, when done by a Republican?
(By the way - where's the "girl" in this equation? The page was a boy.) - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4That's part of the problem. They never seem to get convicted. Foley goes a whole year without the GOP leadership barring him from working with minors.
Justice, for GOP bigwigs, has nothing to do with being innocent until proven guilty, I'm afraid. It has everything to do with being tolerated by the powers that be until you're outed in the media, and then you're hung out to dry to save the rest. - forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8@ gojeda
"There are those who would say that hose who make the lives of pedos easier (as seen in the Vermont judge) are just as culpable."
Careful, your justification engine is overheating.
Just as culpable as whom? The guy who's actually trying to touch little kids on their peepees? That's an interesting legal/moral compass you've got there. Might want to get that recalibrated.
"Funny how you did not question the urbandictionary article, yet you question anyone else who doesn't buy the tripe."
Actually, I take it for granted that every single one of your sources is 100% accurate and verifiable. I question only the PEOPLE here who think Foley, and the rest of that extensive list of Republican pedophiles, is somehow defensible. I'd never question facts.
"the KKK was bourne out of democratic frustrations in the South"
You seem like a pretty smart guy, so I'm not going to humiliate you by pointing out the fact that the Democratic and Republican ideologies have traded places in the last 150 years. Oh, whoops, I just did.
"As opposed to democrat pedos who do the same thing you mean?"
Cite a source.
"What comes around, goes around. Remember that :)"
I have no idea what this could possibly mean. Are you suggesting that the GOP is going to win this election BECAUSE of all the pedophilia? - rspeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Eleo
Exactly.
There's a completely separate term for that, which I can never recall. I think it starts with an e.
Regardless, what really bothers me is the cover-up and the incredible hypocrisy. Makes me sick. - squarooticus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Hey, where's the list of black murderers? Or latino illegal aliens? Or Italian mafia? A similar implication made by the authors of any of those lists would result in condemnation, but it's all good when picking on Republicans.
This posting is nothing more than ad hominem nonsense. Don't take the bait. - forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -13/+16"now digg is just a liberal-run (mob ruled) propaganda machine."
Tip: Digg has always been mob ruled. People vote on the stories they want to support. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.
Nowdays, those stories tend to be be political. It's not a coincidence that educated people happen to frequent this site, and that demographic tends to be liberal.
No one cares what people like you think anymore. You're the minority now. -
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