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- geekee, on 02/21/2009, -33/+102This is Obama's idea of change? Why am I not surprised?
- supercandy, on 02/21/2009, -25/+86More change you can believe in...
Does anyone remember that Senator Hillary Clinton said she would have never gone to the Olympics in China, and called for President George Bush to boycott the Beijing Olympics about 6 months ago?
another big fat LIE.
the Democratic Partisans are always being dishonest.
Hillary dodges sniper fire, Obama bans lobbyists while appointing lobbyists, Biden plagiarizes, Kerry takes magical trips to Cambodia, Daschle didn't understand the tax code (he helped create), etc., etc. - inactive, on 02/21/2009, -19/+80She's just on track to score more money from the Chinese than Bill did. A friendly little competition between spouses. All you little people just shut up and pay your taxes or you'll be real sorry. Got it?
- demicritter, on 02/21/2009, -28/+85The Hildabeast has a truth and integrity problem.
- geekee, on 02/21/2009, -7/+60You realize she's speaking on behalf of Obama, right?
- emmettgolf, on 02/21/2009, -8/+58What do we stand for if we don't stand for human rights?
- cornfeed, on 02/21/2009, -2/+48Obama and Hillary have to be nice the Chinese. They're holding a lot of our bad paper. If you think the economy sucks right now, imagine what it would be like if the Chinese called in even part of that paper.
- TopTenJesus, on 02/21/2009, -18/+58Hmmm, doesn't sound any different from the Republicans and Bush. Obama is really starting to disappoint me. Was everything lies to get into the White House? What happened to all those promises?
- inactive, on 02/21/2009, -15/+53Don't let piddly things like 1100 labor camps, harvesting organs from condemned prisoners, torture, censorship, imprisoning dissidents, forced abortion and sterilization, corruption, suppression of religion, zero civil rights, etc. get "in the way," of trade. It was the Clintons who opened up trade with Vietnam, where the same things are going on. Apparently, democrats have no problem doing business with commie thugs.
- supercandy, on 02/21/2009, -22/+58a real disaster...
the liar who said she 'dodged sniper fire' shows how unethical she is...
once, long ago, the Clintons made it their policy to lie about Genocide in Rwanda.
they only care about themselves... - inactive, on 02/21/2009, -5/+38Well, he promised to continue the occupation of Iraq, promised to expand the colonization of Afghanistan, promised to attack Pakistan, promised to let Israel do whatever they wanted to do. So far, he's delivering. He also promised to expand offshore drilling ( fast-tracked on second day in office ), embrace nuke power, "clean coal", ethanol, just to round out his anti-environmental platform.
He's embraced Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy, vowed to expand the military, embraced the Bushian 'states secrets' doctrine, and has managed to keep intact the worldwide gulag archipelago.
He's promised to hand over great sums of money to his Wall Street buddies, which he went the extra mile to do back in October. He voted for the PATRIOT act, for immunity for felonious telecoms, and for illegal wiretapping.
Was anyone listening to his speeches and watching his votes besides me? - lohphat, on 02/21/2009, -3/+35Rule number one:
Don't piss off people who can foreclose on your country. - TigerStar337, on 02/21/2009, -0/+26Who are these activist? Why do Americans buy goods from China, but whine about "Human Rights" issues? The bottom line is that the banks that have the biggest piles of money are in China. Americans should be on their hands and knees, kissing Hu JinTao's feet. Americans are naive if they think they can influence issues in China. They are wasting their time.
- sundancekid503, on 02/21/2009, -5/+29Why isn't this administration pressing China harder? It literally cannot afford to. Taking a strong stance against China while our country is on VERY SHAKY economic footing would not be a very wise thing to do at this point in time.
For those of you who want to take a strong stance against China, would you be willing to do so if it meant devastating your own economy?
Choose your battles wisely... - normlsparky, on 02/21/2009, -6/+27I don't remember the Republicans having any problem doing business with them during the last 8 years either.
- Flytrap, on 02/21/2009, -3/+23Since when have Human Rights ever stood in the way of American interests anyway? American allies, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Kuwait and several Central American dictatorships have some of the worst human rights records, yet they are long standing American partners (in the war on drugs, terror or whatever) – heck, even Russia may just get a seat at the table if it plays its cards right.
So, what’s new here... we now have a war on poverty, recession, joblessness and all things that threaten our capitalist way of life... who better to have as a strategic partner than the next great economic super power to help you out. So, let’s not kid ourselves, Human rights has never been the primary driver of American foreign policy, unless it can be used as a means to an end... in America's interests, that is.
I don’t see anything wrong in what Clinton has said... she is simply echoing a sentiment that the American public have been expressing for over a decade now, by continuing its thirst and hunger for all things made in China. If American’s did not like China’s human rights policies, they would long have boycotted Chinese products (and American products made in China), much as they did with Apartheid. The American public have driven a so much money (and jobs) towards China, that the American government has no choice but to deal with China as an equal partner, whether its agrees with its human rights policies or not... the stomachs and jobs of Americans must be prioritised over the rights of a few grumbling Tibetans and overzealous human rights activists. - rieuwa, on 02/21/2009, -3/+22I'd love to see how some of the above diggers would 'stand up to China' in a diplomatic meeting....
Things are always easier said than done. - inactive, on 02/21/2009, -14/+32Nader and McKinney tried to warn you about this bunch of gangsters that President Rahm Emmanuel was putting together. But, you wanted to hear "hope" and "change". Jesus H. Christ.
- mikeni1225, on 02/21/2009, -3/+21human rights is nice to talk about when everything is going great for us Americans, but when our economy is in the gutter, human rights is not a priority. China has lent the US so much money that US has kiss China's ass for the next 30 years. It's like your neighbor lent you $300,000 and you are complaining that he beats his kids. Right now the US has to suck it up.
- mfc5200, on 02/21/2009, -2/+19Having been to China multiple times, I can definitely say that things are improving over there.
Then there is the issue of what right we have to tell the Chinese government how to behave. We vote for our own politicians, but we don't have a say what happens in other countries. Just saying.
This is not an attempt to condone their behavior which is often repulsive, I just thought I would throw these comments in. - dcodrea, on 02/21/2009, -4/+21She's not concerned about human rights here--why should she be concerned with human rights there?
- pookydirt, on 02/21/2009, -5/+22mmmpphhh... mmmpppphh...mmphh.
Why is this digg button only working once? Mmmmmphhh..mmmph... - SpeedyThing, on 02/21/2009, -1/+18I'm not standing up for China here, but what options does the US have here?
1. Threaten China - yeah that'll work!
2. Express disapointment with China and say they can't be friends. This will probably next-to-no effect on anything.
3. Be China's friend and hope that over time they will come round.
And as someone above has pointed out - now is not the time to be pissing China off. You think your economy is bad now but they could quite easily make it 10 times worse IF they wanted to. - fxu1989, on 02/21/2009, -0/+14Democratic... Republican.
Different party, same ***** *****.
It's politics. - masamunecyrus, on 02/21/2009, -1/+14You know, back in the Clinton era, there were always jokes on SNL and late-night talk shows about Bill Clinton in bed with the Chinese, or comedy skits of Bill Clinton in a hot tub surrounded by Chinese women.
...Just replace Bill with sexy Chinese women with Hillary with sexy Chinese women and it still works. ;-) - inactive, on 02/21/2009, -0/+12@wonderchemist
yes, I remember that spyplane. I was in that squadron when that incident occurred. The squadron was VQ-1 Worldwatchers or Fairecon1, which is still short for Fleet Air Reconnaissance Squadron One. http://vq-1.ahf.nmci.navy.mil/ The plane your were referring to was an EP-3E Aries II, which is a modified P-3 Orion submarine hunter. The Aries II's were modified with sensitive radar and surveillance equipment under the "m&m" like radomes. Heres is a pic: http://images.google.com/images?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS31 ...
Just to fill you in on what actually happened, our squadron at that time, pre 9/11, was just like many others in the intel community, put to "peace-time" tasks. We were on one of these tasks. The purpose of the mission was to just barely breach Chinese airspace. As soon as we do, we use our sensitive equipment to monitor and time the Chinese (or whoever's) response. What was supposed to happen was, the Chinese scramble a couple Migs, and they show up beside us. We say something like, "Oh, *****! Are we in your airspace? Our bad! We'll leave, sorry 'bout that, guys ^^ "
But that isnt what happened. What happened, was, the Chinese Mig pilot decided to give us a little bump. When he did, it damaged his wing and disrupted his lift, sending him crashing to his death. But it also damaged our plane, causing it to leak fuel, forcing us to do a crash landing in China. After we landed, we spent the next several hours locked inside the plane destroying as much sensitive material as we could, as we had been taught. Eventually, the Chinese took us, and put us in barracks. We spent the next 2 weeks being questioned by the Chinese, rather lightly I might add, we fully expected to be tortured, and playing volleyball. We had no idea that the incident had been reported and the media knew.
The only thing Bush had to do was getting the "Whidbey 24" (named after NAS Whidbey Island, the location of VQ-1) home. He had nothing to do with the mission. We had been doing the exact same thing during the Clinton years, it just happened to be Bush was president when we crashed.
Sorry to mess up your little conspiracy theory, but I was there. If you need any proof, ask any questions about VQ-1, or that situation, and I can answer ***** people in the media don't even know. - TigerStar337, on 02/21/2009, -1/+13Corporatism. All hail Walmart, Coca-Cola, KFC, Target! I for one welcome our overlords.
- inactive, on 02/21/2009, -6/+17Once Pandora's box is opened, you can't close it again.. Imagine the howling if Bush had cut off trade ties with China.
From Reuters, here is a list of some of her past comments:
.. Clinton criticized Chinese policy in 1995 at a U.N. conference in Beijing without citing China by name.
"(Freedom) means not taking citizens away from their loved ones and jailing them, mistreating them, or denying them their freedom or dignity because of the peaceful expression of their ideas and opinions," she said.
"It is a violation of human rights when women are denied the right to plan their own families, and that includes being forced to have abortions or being sterilised against their will," she said. Under Chinese law, most couples are restricted to one child.
.. Clinton angered China last year with calls for a strong U.S. stance on religious freedom in Tibet after protests against Chinese rule there escalated into riots.
"I think we should be speaking out through our administration now in a much more forceful way and, you know, supporting people in Tibet who are trying to preserve their culture and their religion from tremendous pressure by the Chinese," she said.
.. Clinton urged President George W. Bush to boycott the opening ceremonies of the 2008 Beijing Olympics unless China improved human rights. She cited violent clashes in Tibet and the lack of pressure by China on Sudan to stop "the genocide in Darfur".
.. Clinton said she would not shy away from human rights issues during her trip this week.
She said in a speech that Washington should work to create a world that respects human rights and where "all Chinese people can enjoy religious freedom without fear of prosecution". - TheInformer, on 02/21/2009, -7/+18Change, indeed.
- Hetman, on 02/21/2009, -7/+18Since we stopped caring about human rights, why would we care what China does?
- lpse2000, on 02/21/2009, -0/+11No, Who is on first.
- Biscuitz, on 02/21/2009, -1/+12I'm sorry, but when did China become part of our country? I thought they were their own country with their own rules? Don't we have some ***** to clean up here?
I'm so confused! - kingofinternet, on 02/21/2009, -8/+18under bush the us lost standing and credibility economically, diplomatically, and in terms of human rights.
1. human rights? we tortured. 2. free market reform? our economy tanked and china owns a lot of our debt. 3. diplomacy? we invaded a country.
if clinton went over to asia to lecture china they'd laugh in our faces. besides, we need their cooperation to deal with north korea, the real threat and human rights disaster in asia. - inactive, on 02/21/2009, -4/+13 BEIJING (AP) -- Chinese police are monitoring dissidents and confining some to their homes during this weekend's visit by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, a rights group said Saturday.
According to China Human Rights Defenders, several of those under watch had been signatories to "Charter 08," an unusually open call for civil rights and political reforms that has garnered considerable attention since its release last December.
They include constitutional scholar Zhang Zuhua, who was told by police stationed outside his home since Friday that he would not be able to leave or meet visitors for several days, said the group, a network of human rights activists that collects information on abuses.
Zeng Jinyan, the wife of imprisoned activist Hu Jia, was also barred from leaving home, the group said in a statement e-mailed to journalists.
Rights groups have been dismayed by a statement from Clinton ahead of her arrival in Beijing that issues such as climate change, the world financial crisis and security threats like North Korea would likely take precedence in her discussions ahead of traditional U.S. concerns about human rights.
Amnesty International said Clinton had damaged future U.S. initiatives to protect human rights in China, while Human Rights Watch said she had overlooked the connection between strengthened legal protections and press freedoms and progress on the issues she cited.
"Secretary Clinton's remarks point to a diplomatic strategy that has worked well for the Chinese government -- segregating human rights issues into a dead-end 'dialogue of the deaf,"' Human Rights Watch's Asia advocacy director Sophie Richardson said in an e-mailed statement. - DirtyVicar, on 02/21/2009, -0/+9Worship of the global market.
- inactive, on 02/21/2009, -5/+13Honestly? She's just trying to be a diplomat. We hear you, and we also hear you.
- inactive, on 02/22/2009, -0/+8The woman has less morals than an alley cat, and nothing she says or does should surprise anyone. As for China, the best thing we could do for America would be to cut ALL ties with them and stop buying their junk slave labor products!
- Zapple100, on 02/21/2009, -1/+9Sucker.
- ShindeKudasai, on 02/21/2009, -0/+8You trusted a politician?
- inactive, on 02/21/2009, -3/+10When China held the Olympics a few month ago and they passed the "torch" over to us, our Prime Minister was out and about sucking up to the Chinese officials, mind you if Mugabe came to Britain he would be sucking up to him to, our PM is the type to invite Stalin for tea, if he was still alive and boast how moderate and progressive he was, politicians will always been known being two faced.
- henri3, on 02/21/2009, -1/+8yep!
- Sasha56, on 02/21/2009, -4/+11I personally was very disappointed with Emmanuel's appointment, and I'm Jewish.
We are not that blind. - Ne007, on 02/21/2009, -1/+8did you not read the first line of the topic?
Looks like you didn't get past the header. - Ne007, on 02/21/2009, -1/+8His actions do speak clearly.
- bluesman3535, on 02/21/2009, -1/+8It's up to the Chinese people to revolt. With their 100 spoken language dialects I'm not expecting that soon. The best we can do is try to bring some manufacturing back here and avoid supporting China's trade which is nearly impossible. At all costs I avoid their kitchen products such as cutting boards, etc simply because I don't trust what toxins may be infused.
- inactive, on 02/21/2009, -10/+17Look at all those Republicans here all the sudden becoming humanitarians. So funny.
- Sasha56, on 02/21/2009, -0/+7Ummm...May I remind the court here that the US under Bush gave millions away in bribe money to dictatorships in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other wonderful Arab states who really, really, really respect human rights. Especially in Saudi Arabia, where if you are anything but Arab, your bible, your crosses, your stars of david are confiscated as you enter the country...I've been to Vietnam recently, and compared to Egypt, Vietnam is heaven.
You folks need to get out of your armchairs and travel to really understand how the world functions. - Elranzer, on 02/21/2009, -1/+8Can we replace more US politicians with sexy Chinese women, please?
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