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- sgiffy, on 06/09/2008, -17/+100I think that military recruiters should have access to schools. Students should be free to learn about and if they so chose join the military. There are certainly risks and negatives, but there are positives as well. However I think that right should extent equally to other groups such as Americore, Peace corp, etc, that offer alternatives.
- eir574, on 06/09/2008, -4/+41I never understood how a person can be against both the draft and military recruiters. Don't you need at least one? Given that military recruiters are going to do what it takes to find new recruits, I would think that having them in the schools where they're out in the open would be more desirable than having them approach kids in the mall and pretend to be their best friends. At least in school teachers can be around to hear what the recruiters say.
- inactive, on 06/09/2008, -5/+42So the schools can give my name and personal information to ANY college or University without my permission but giving the same info to military recruiters is bad?
How about if we make it a law that schools can't give my info to ANYONE without my (my parents) expressed permission.
Naaaaaaaaa that makes too much sense. It's so much easier to rail against the military. - BaseballGuyCAA, on 06/09/2008, -2/+28I see nothing wrong with having recruiters on high schools. For many students, the military is a great option if they can't pay for college. It's their choice to make.
- inactive, on 06/09/2008, -10/+36These stupid peace activists need to calm down. The military is an all volunteer force, nobody is forcing these adults to sign up. We could have it the other way, where people are forced into serving. I think every high school student should have the opportunity to learn more about serving in the military. I've been out of high school for a while, and every one of my friends who served say the experience was positive for their life. My experience with recruiters on campus is they are generally not pushy. They'll talk to you, and hand you brochures but that's about it. Now, they become pushy when you set foot in their office if you want more information. There's nothing wrong with that. In the end, these adults who sign up for the military know there is a commitment, know there is a risk, know there is separation from your family/friends, etc. They don't tell you it will be easy.
- Hetman, on 06/09/2008, -4/+26This is BS. It is a voluteer army. I mean seriously is there a kid that is so stupid that if there are military recruiters on campus he would automatically join. You have free will the army should be able to recruite it is up to you to say yes or no.
- ahhell, on 06/09/2008, -6/+27"No Child Left Behind Act" + military recruiters = waaaaaa????
I thought No child left behind forced schools to never fail any students (regardless of stupid they are). What does that have to do with the military? - inactive, on 06/09/2008, -9/+28Military experience gives people a leg up that can't be matched by any other training. They take KIDS, give them hands-on training that is more extensive than that given at any college and then give them discipline, jobs and responsibilities that are unmatched by any of their peers in civilian life. When I was just 21 years old, I was a supervisor at the Air Force Weapons Lab computer center, doing research into many of the weapons that are used today. My nearest civilian counterpart was in his late 40s. I took the management experiences I got in the military and levered myself into a job with a six-figure salary. I've made my first two million and am working on my third. It would go a lot faster if the government weren't confiscating half of everything I make. I actually feel sorry for people who have passed up a hitch in the military because they are operating at a disadvantage. And all this "go to be killed in Iraq" stuff is just stupid drama queenery by people who have no idea what the military is all about.
- inactive, on 06/09/2008, -4/+20It's more likely that they'll be raped in college than the military.
- DavidS9, on 06/09/2008, -9/+24The "real" facts these guys put out is nothing but over amped stats. I mean if you compare the percentages of attacks and suicides from the military to the general populations you can make it look terrible because your comparing a group of about 2 million people to 300 million people of course the military stats are going to look nightmarishly high, but I guess that kind of logic doesn't factor into your thinking does it. Yes, there are negatives to joining the military, like being called a baby killer by ignorant jerk-offs who don't know any better.
- DavidS9, on 06/09/2008, -7/+22I've been in the military for 8 years and 2 combat tours and you know what I have never killed a baby neither has anyone I have served with nor has anyone in any unit I've been attached to ever killed a baby or been accused of killing babies by anyone but you left wing morons who have an allergic reaction to serving their country. I've helped save several by bringing medicine to rural areas.
- slantyeyed, on 06/09/2008, -5/+18what's worse, getting recruited by the military OR getting brainwashed at let's say, LIBERTY UNIVERSITY? I'll take my chances getting killed in the military.
- noahhoward, on 06/09/2008, -4/+16I agree. Many of the most peaceful nations on earth have mandatory service, take from that what you will. It gives citizens and understanding of what it takes, it lowers the crime rate, it produces more disciplined respectful citizens.
- noupsell, on 06/09/2008, -25/+37A students name, address and phone number is none of their ***** business and that stupid law had better change when there is new leadership in Washington
- dnrdni, on 06/09/2008, -0/+12I care a great deal about human beings!! I was a paramedic/firefighter for 15 years and I served in the Air Force during Desert Storm. I knew the down side before I joined in 1985 I even knew the risk that we could go to war at anytime...I also know that it was a great opportunity to serve my country. All any kid needs to do to understand the risks is watch the liberal news on any television station in America...Or are you saying they can't read, or hear too?
- Deputy_Doodah, on 06/09/2008, -4/+15I joined the Navy at 17.
I had to fight like hell with my parents so they'd sign for their consent for me to enlist. I graduated high school and two days after my eighteenth birthday, I was sitting in boot camp with my head shaved bald. College wasn't something I wanted at the time, and in hindsight I can see that I'd be another loser in a trailer park with a job at Jiffy-Lube had I not enlisted.
I traveled. I learned. I grew up....fast.
Since then, I've gotten an engineering degree and I've become very successful. I'm now an engineering manager with a nice house, nice cars, a beautiful family, and a healthy income.
Every single success I've had as an adult is directly attributable to my time, experience, and training in the U.S. Navy. If I had died in combat I would have died honorably, but I didn't. If I had stayed a civilian I could have simply died some other way like getting shot for my car keys.
These ***** wish to deny people the free will to choose to join the military. They arrogantly assume that they know best and will manipulate, coerce, and lie in order to force their will on others. They are guilty of what they (wrongly) accuse military recruiters of doing.
If I ever ran into any of them, it would not be pleasant because I'd choose to exercise the rights that they believe only belong to them. - mtrip, on 06/09/2008, -3/+14Exactly. The military needs recruits, some people need the military (it certainly helped me with school $). Where's the problem? If you don't want to join, don't join. Problem solved. It seems like people on the far left are anti-freespeech. They don't want to hear the other side, they don't want their ideas on the table, they just want to shut them down, shout them down, ban them, etc (I consider myself on the left btw).
- Evildudetx, on 06/09/2008, -15/+25I'm all in favor of everyone serving one year of manditory service, whether it is military for those that are fit or civil service for those who aren't. A lot of the problems with have with today's kids will disappear.
- EricSchC1, on 06/09/2008, -9/+19When I was a senior in high school, and a freshman and sophmore in college, I was harassed day in and day out by "recruiters" who wouldn't take no for an answer...for 3+ years!!! The military (or at least the recruitment division) are worse than Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormon's combined. I even lied and told a recruiter "Its against my religious beliefs to engage in any kind of violent conflict." and that jerk actually tried to "convert me" to a new religion over the phone.
You can debate all day as to whether or not the MIC, at large are essentially hired killers (I say they are, based on 90% of the ex-servicemen and women I know personally...about 10% of those I know are good people w/honest intentions), but nothing about how the U.S. military operates, from the head down, falls within the guidelines of "educating young people how to better serve their country". - SpartanErik, on 06/09/2008, -1/+11All because you join the military does not necessarily you go off on the front lines and fight. My father was a Vietnam veteran and was stationed in the states at a military hospital to treat the injured.
The military teaches many life skills that are beneficial to many occupations. Manditory service would be a great idea - erasedgod, on 06/09/2008, -0/+10@reedatschool: Our rights are good, thanks. My recruiter handed me an abridged version of the UCMJ that I had to read from first word to last word and sign before I went to boot camp. 100% of us know exactly what we're getting ourselves into.
And FYI: I'd guess that most of these "mindless military supporters" who "don't give a ***** about the troops" are either current or prior military. - thedogfatherx, on 06/09/2008, -20/+30I need to grab some popcorn for the wacko liberals to come out and start commenting on this one. No offense to the normal liberals.
- Ruger11mcrdpi, on 06/09/2008, -1/+11Wow some of these comments are hilarious.
When I was nearing the end of my high school, my parents told me they were not paying for college. I did my own research, looking at tech internships, grants, scholarships, the military, peace corps, etc. I decided to join the Marines. The recruiter was up front, told me the chances of getting sent into combat, etc. I've been in over 5 years and now I'm in an officer program and I'm stationed AT the University of Texas. I'm paid as a Sergeant, get my full GI bill each month and get an ~$800 monthly housing alottment. It totals over $4K a month I'm being paid and my only job is to make a 2.5 GPA or better and stay in shape. I was stationed for two years in Spain, traveled all over Europe, then two years in Hawaii, and did one tour to Iraq. I was an infantry squad leader, and didn't come back traumatized, I'm not on meds, I'm not crazy, either. I even got a 42K tax free reenlistment bonus before coming to college... so I'm in college, making 4 k a month and drive a paid for car and have no debt.
That said, not everyone's cut out for the Marines, but someone could do 4 years in the airforce as a UAV tech, get out and get hired at a nearly $100K rate at several tech firms as those jobs are in unbelievable demand right now. You'd have around $60K in GI bill benefits for school not to mention however many thousands in signing bonus you got for your career field.
The military is an excellent opportunity for some. To say it's not is a lie. - cawpin, on 06/09/2008, -2/+11He's talking about the whiners complaining about the recruiters. THEY are saying that the recruiters don't have those rights.
- noahhoward, on 06/09/2008, -3/+12If recruiters didn't get this information I'd have never had the opportunity to kick the army recruiters ass, twice, in pool.
- Locnar, on 06/09/2008, -0/+9Chances are that you would not be posting on this blogg if you lived else were.. Did you really look for a new country? May I offer a few suggestions...
1.) China
2.) Any South African Country.. pick one.
Don't confuse your country and your countries leadership. Which I will point out you have the right to bitch about in public... Try doing that in ..lets say. Russia.. - inactive, on 06/09/2008, -8/+17Once again, chico shows how clueless, gullible and anti-soldier he is.
I'll bet you're going to vote for obama. - Juicediggs, on 06/09/2008, -10/+19Ain't that the truth. I sure did enjoy Digg a lot more before it was taken over by the Huffingtonpost, Daily Kos crowd.
Now it's more or less dominated by far left propaganda pieces and bitching about faux news. Yawn. - inactive, on 06/09/2008, -5/+13yeah because recruiters really want 12 year olds to sign an enlistment contract, great logic...... what grade did you make it to spooge? 8th grade?
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 06/09/2008, -2/+10God forbid parents let their children make decisions for themselves.
- kylere, on 06/09/2008, -0/+8This is silly, the military is a viable alternative if you do not have parents who can afford college, the desire to obtain silly levels of debt attending college or are one of the few who have a strong urge to serve their country. Anyone who wants to limit freedom of speech or options is an enemy of mine.
- avsfan987, on 06/09/2008, -11/+19"The group does not mince words -- a brochure on the table aimed at young women considering joining the military features the testimony of a woman who said she was raped while serving in the Navy, and says women in the armed forces are more likely to be sexually assaulted compared with women in the general population.
The volunteers told students that they would be sacrificing their lives to enrich private companies, that the military unfairly targeted minorities and poor communities, and that they would be sent to Iraq and "get your heads blown off.""
I don't have a problem with counter-recruiting in schools, but this group just sounds like a bunch of wackos with a extreme anti-war agenda to get across. If I was a principal at a school, or the head of a district, I would never let these people set foot in my school.
Here is another interesting quote:
"Inouye told the wiry teen he would end up in Iraq "killing a lot of innocent people," or could be killed himself."
All this sounds like to me is a bunch of anti-war protestors who are using typical gibberish to scare kids away from joining the military. If this group actually had rational points to offer than sure, let them go to schools, but these idiots are just anti-government, anti-military, and have an agenda that uses made up facts to support it. - SpartanErik, on 06/09/2008, -1/+9Unfortunately, judging by these comments many people believe that joining the military is a death sentence. They obviously have not had any first hand experience in the military whatsoever; the military allows you to study and pursue a profession of your choice. You get to develop plenty of skills that will contribute towards your future occupation.
The problem is if they are required to "opt in", nobody would bother to go out of their way. - Tenlow, on 06/09/2008, -0/+8Depending on what college you go to.
- Jimmerz, on 06/09/2008, -5/+13Is this group's literature propaganda? It is, just as much as military recruitment pamphlets are also propaganda. And those ads where a young man is transformed into a dragon fighting knight by the marines.
A person who is supposedly ready for college or adulthood should have access to all points of view, and should be trusted to see through the rhetoric. Anything less is an insult to their intelligence. - thanakar, on 06/09/2008, -0/+8How is this pandering to one career path with they are also provide the information to business and other interest?
- inactive, on 06/09/2008, -1/+8Let me guess, you've never walked through MIT and other large engineering schools and noticed who pays for their research and provides grants for buildings?
The Manhattan project started at the Universities. They're called PHYSICISTS. - cawpin, on 06/09/2008, -1/+8Good riddance.
- ftx437, on 06/09/2008, -3/+10If it's the government money that funds the schools, then the military should have a right to be there..if the military is banned from public schools then take some of the questionable class the schools have off the list too that parents have no choice in whether or not there kids take..i.e sex ed
- DreKor, on 06/09/2008, -2/+9can you explain how comparing per capita suicide rates between two populations isn't valid?
- erasedgod, on 06/09/2008, -0/+7Are you serious? I've been a Marine for almost five years... never murdered anyone.
As for it being un-Christian... I guess that's a hidden bonus. - dnrdni, on 06/09/2008, -1/+8Have you ever been in the military? If you have then you would know that you know right up front what you are getting into including the fact that it is an 8 year commitment not a 4 year commitment...and NOBODY twist your arm or holds a GUN to your head until you sign the contract.
- mstoneburner, on 06/09/2008, -2/+9They educate the people who do, they educate the people who design the weapons, quite often they help design the weapons.
- ftx437, on 06/09/2008, -6/+12If they ban recruiters from schools, then I want them to ban sex ed, and passing out free condoms to kids..or maybe give me the choice on what public school to send my kid.
- noahhoward, on 06/09/2008, -4/+11"They target low income youth" *****. Plain and simple *****. Both high-schools i went to had the reputation for being the 'rich kids' school. Both schools had JROTC, both schools got regular visits from the recruiters. You can say that my two schools don't mean anything, but if they were targeting poor kids they would never have been there.
- cawpin, on 06/09/2008, -0/+6"The military has continued to relax who they let in cause there just is not enough suckers around anymore. They even get kids under 18 to sign promissory notes that they will join up."
First, the reason they have had to relax rules to allow lower qualifications is that people like you won't take responsibility for the fact that it is up to the people of this country to fight for it.
Second, anyone under 18 is required to have their parents' permission to sign anything. - Alexandru25, on 06/09/2008, -1/+7That is true. These retards think that the recruiters actually put you in the military just by signing a piece of paper. It's actually a long pain in the ass process that gives you numerous opportunities to back out. The Military does NOT want to deceive people into joining because that is dangerous. The guy that thought the Army was all fun and games until he got to Iraq is now a damn liability to himself, his comrades, and the military in general.
Back to the process, its long and extremely accurate.(talking from experience with the NAVY).
1)Fill out a huge background information packet, financial info(you cannot join the military if you are in debt), criminal info(only the Army has lowered standards and this only applies to minor DRUG violations), etc. (the DOD handles these background checks)
2) Go to MEPS(Military Entrance Processing Station) and take the ASVAB and a full through medical test, drug testing, screenings etc.(This is the part that most people wash out in due to being overweight, sick, flat footed, bad vision, bad bones etc.)
3)Sit with a detailer(the guy that looks over your ASVAB and career goals) to pick your job.
4) At the very end of all this than you get a contract, if you don't LIKE the contract you do not have to sign it and either go home or just get it rewritten to your liking.
Once you sign the contract you are not in the DEP program until you ship out, average ship out time is 6 months from signing the initial contract.
5)When the time comes you go back to MEPS for another physical exam and you go over your contract one more time. Than you swear in finally and ship out.
Any time between the last contract on your ship out morning you can back out without any negative repercussions. As a matter of fact in the first weeks of bootcamp you can request to quit, fill out a packet, and you are given a non-damaging discharge. - solid12345, on 06/10/2008, -0/+69:00 is early in the morning? ***** boy wait till you get a job.
- solid12345, on 06/10/2008, -1/+7The irony is you've seen more of the world than all these stupid yuppie liberals who complain Americans are close-minded and need to get out more.
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