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- Goodanswer, on 12/31/2007, -47/+277Is Huckabee saying he is actually gay but he controls his "tendencies?"
- sonnybobiche, on 12/31/2007, -37/+193homosexual BEHAVIOR is a choice, as all behavior is. Whether or not homosexuality is a choice is not being brought up.
By the way, you have the most offensive name I've ever read in my entire life. - SheilaNoya, on 12/31/2007, -30/+121Republicans seem to be experts at hiding their sexual preferences - at least until they get caught.
- inactive, on 12/31/2007, -16/+101He is correct.
Homosexual behavior is a choice. ALL behavior is a choice. Look at priests, they choose not to engage in heterosexual behavior, even when they are heterosexuals.
The question is not whether homosexual behavior is a choice, but whether it is a "bad" or "wrong" choice for people who are homosexual. I am guessing it is a good choice for them and a bad choice for me, a heterosexual. - Minarchian, on 12/31/2007, -22/+101The only part of "choice" I can imagine is whether to follow through your natural tendency.
There comes a point where one get to make a decision...do I follow through with my desire/need to this? Or do I continue to ignore it and pretend to myself it doesn't exist?
There never is a decision on whether you're gay, just whether you'll follow through with it.
There a many people who are gay and won't make the decision to follow through. They are usually very unhappy and basket cases with acute cases of ulcers.
But, then again, being straight I can't really imagine what goes through a gay man's mind other than when I try to imagine the heartache they go through when dealing with it at first.
But no matter how I feel about this it really isn't any of the fricken Governments business and should not even come up during an election other than to say "I want to stay out of your private life". - alx1507, on 12/31/2007, -28/+105Digg me down, I meant to hit 'reply'.
- sonnybobiche, on 12/31/2007, -15/+91You can deny what Huckabee is saying, but not without losing some ground. If you honestly believe that individuals have no choice but to act on their impulses, then the entire penal system is nonsensical and all rapists/child molesters/murderers should be released. Criminals experience impulses all the time, and they act on them, and they are jailed. Our ability to control our impulses is what separates us from them. To say that someone cannot choose their behavior--cannot decide upon their own actions--is to say that they are never at fault for anything that they do.
I think the word play is getting to some people. Huckabee merely says that acting on homosexual impulses is a choice. He does not go so far as to say that homosexuality itself is a choice. - DeepFriedFetus, on 12/31/2007, -114/+175Right, so it's a choice...Cause there's a lot of 16 year old kids who are sexually troubled and confused about their true identity, so they decide to be gay and withstand society's backwards prejudices just because they want to. Wake up. Gay people are born that way, and we should respect that.
- robberry, on 12/31/2007, -6/+66"homosexual BEHAVIOR is a choice, as all behavior is. Whether or not homosexuality is a choice is not being brought up."
Exactly. You may be born with a sexual attraction to your own gender, but how you deal with that attraction is a choice that you make of your own free will. For example, if you run for public office on an anti-gay platform, then sneak into an airport bathroom looking for anonymous gay sex, then get busted by the police and try to pass it off as "just a wide stance", then plead guilty to disorderly conduct, then announce your resignation from office, then try to back out of your guilty plea and your resignation, all while vehemently denying that you're gay even though it's patently obvious that you couldn't be any gayer if your name was Gay Gayerson... *THAT* is a choice. - atdigg, on 12/31/2007, -33/+90No, he said that he doesn't know what make you feel what you feel, but you can choose what you do, can you deny that? I don't like the guy, but what he said is true.
- janeuner, on 12/31/2007, -14/+59Yes, it is a choice to act on your desires. That is one of the few things that seperates a sentient human being from an animal.
- apzdsx, on 12/31/2007, -6/+49Of course homosexual 'behavior' is a choice. I choose to have sex with men.
Although, I didn't choose to be attracted to men. - fantasticFlan, on 12/31/2007, -4/+44Yes, my behavior is a choice, the desire behind that behavior is not.
- inactive, on 12/31/2007, -2/+40Yes, you don't have to have sex to live. There are heterosexuals that abstain.
- alx1507, on 12/31/2007, -15/+50are you honestly saying that homosexuals are in the same category as pedophiles?
- inactive, on 12/31/2007, -11/+46True, but idiotic. What meaning does it have outside of the context of religion? The only time the subject of choice is brought up is in the context of telling homosexuals to choose to stop being homosexual. Who cares if the behavior is a choice, there's nothing wrong with the behavior.
- unicronband, on 12/31/2007, -10/+45I have an instinctual desire to eat food when I'm hungry. I can chose to deny myself this urge, but I will certainly pay for it.
- mikelieman, on 12/31/2007, -26/+60So then, HETEROSEXUAL behaviour 'is a choice', too?
What I'm taking away from this is that there is NO BIOLOGICAL FOUNDATION FOR SEXUAL PREFERENCE, right?
Therefore, yes, Huckabee is saying he controls his homosexual desires. - nblsavage, on 12/31/2007, -14/+48According to the Bible, so is eating shellfish.
- inactive, on 12/31/2007, -4/+35Who cares? What goes on between two consenting adults is their business.
- Neiby, on 12/31/2007, -10/+40But what makes it okay for heterosexuals to act on their desires but not homosexuals?
- nblsavage, on 12/31/2007, -12/+40Ignore IMJGalt, he's a typical closet case.
- inactive, on 12/31/2007, -17/+44So your heterosexual behaviour is a choice too, right?
- spudnic, on 12/31/2007, -5/+29By denying feelings like that and trying to keep them hidden you could undoubtedly cause yourself psychological damage.
You could also get into marriages and have children when deep inside you didn't really want it, leaving more broken homes.
Imagine if society said hetrosexual relationships were not okay, you think you'd be fine? - sindex, on 12/31/2007, -0/+23That's ridiculous. That would never happen.
heh. - sonnybobiche, on 12/31/2007, -2/+25I would argue that all three of your statements are potentially incorrect. We see cases of consensual pedophilia all the time. The issue is whether or not those minors are capable of making an informed decision about their behavior. Mostly curable with therapy? I can't attest to whether or not this is correct, and I'm studying neuroscience/psychiatry. However I will say this: if pedophilia is curable with therapy, then so is homosexuality as they are both simple deviations from a socially accepted sexual norm. But the notion of "curing homosexuality" probably doesn't make you all warm and fuzzy inside. As for being without emotional connection -- pedophiles and beastiality people are crazy. Who knows what's running through their head?
- inactive, on 12/31/2007, -2/+24Actually, I agree with you. However, I fail to see the relevance of the argument. There is no modern justification for condemning homosexuality, either in impulse or behavior that doesn't rely on religion. As such, we shouldn't even be having the discussion about whether or not homosexual behavior is a choice, because it doesn't matter.
- Rotzooi, on 12/31/2007, -7/+29Wow, I've checked your history and you are not being sarcastic. You really are a bad person.
- evandyk, on 12/31/2007, -2/+23So you're saying removing his brain would turn him into a conservative?
- lydecker, on 12/31/2007, -7/+27If you believe that, then let homosexuals be responsible for themselves. It's not your responsibility to comment on anyone else's behavior than your own.
- unicronband, on 12/31/2007, -7/+27I hear bigoted reactionary conservatism can also be treated with proper medical care.
- nblsavage, on 12/31/2007, -12/+30All that hate...in the name of your "god"
- kingmanic, on 12/31/2007, -11/+29You are an animal. Anyone who told you different obviously has a very poor biology background.
- kingmanic, on 12/31/2007, -5/+23I prefer skinny to slightly voluptuous skinny girls with mostly symmetric features and decent sized breasts, however I'm fairly certain it's partly biological that pushes me to like this type of girl. I've never been inclined to have sex with men and no matter how cute a guy is or even an over weight woman no matter how cute she is it really doesn't raise the flag so to speak. So a homosexual has the reverse biological prompt. Takes a lot of mental gymnastics for a homosexual to raise the flag for a girl. Should we legislate that such a preference on my part and on a homosexuals part be illegal? I must screw obese women and the gays must screw women? sounds terrible.
- ApokalypseNow, on 12/31/2007, -2/+20You are confusing the actions with the attractions. Just because you haven't banged a member of your own gender doesn't mean you aren't gay - being ATTRACTED to members of the same gender is what makes you gay, regardless of whether or not you have acted on that impulse.
If you really think it is a choice, then just for a moment, I want you to instead *decide* to become attracted to the same sex - just for a moment, a few seconds, CHOOSE to be attracted to a member of your own gender. If you can't do it, you're straight and you now understand. If you *can* do it, you really are gay, or at least bi, and are living a lie. You can lie to me, you can lie to everyone else here, but you can't lie to yourself about who and what you are. - inactive, on 12/31/2007, -6/+23I wonder if they have a cardboard cutout of this guy at Jesus Camp yet?
- spidamonkey, on 12/31/2007, -7/+24Well no ***** that's what he believes he was a minister in the Southern Baptist Church.
- ronpaul20008, on 12/31/2007, -15/+31Should this really be a topic for the presidential debate? shouldn't we be asking real questions, like how we can get out of this unwinnable, illegal & horrendous ***** of a war? People are dying everyday & we're spending $2,000,000 a minute.... who the hell cares about homosexuality? that's priority number 22,481 right now, right below to should i have beef or steak for dinner tonight. WHO THE ***** CARES???? STOP THE WAR!!!! It's as ridiculous a topic as the pope's new war on satan... now their going to start with the exorcisms, whatever that means.... The inquisition, what a show, the inquisition here we go....
- datdamonfoo, on 12/31/2007, -7/+23So, if by "natural" you mean "made by nature", then homosexual behavior is also natural.
- inactive, on 12/31/2007, -8/+24Here's where religion fails - you have this vendetta against a certain type of behavior, and you don't even know why. People are willing to kill homosexuals, but they can't say why. Oh sure, you can quote Leviticus all you want, but what you can't say is why God decided that was wrong. I can't believe that religion has the power to create such hate over nothing.
- krebcycle, on 12/31/2007, -3/+19rather most of society told him it was not ok, and he stuck with it because otherwise he'd be miserable
- ryanlynds, on 12/31/2007, -10/+25i don't choose to prefer to enjoy smooth peanut butter over chunky, i just do. it's not a decision.
- lydecker, on 12/31/2007, -0/+15There's plenty of things I don't WANT to see on TV or have shoved in my face at a parade. So I change the channel or look away. Fascinating idea!
- inactive, on 12/31/2007, -8/+23Yes, but the implication is that acting on those impulses is wrong. It really is quite irrelevant. I mean, you don't hear anyone talking about heterosexual impulses.
- Darkhacker, on 12/31/2007, -5/+20> "The question is not whether homosexual behavior is a choice, but whether it is a "bad" or "wrong" choice for people who are homosexual."
Thank you. As a homosexual who is currently in a relationship with another man, who the ***** cares whether or not I chose it? Hell, let's assume I *did* choose to be gay. Does that change the fact that I'm in a loving and consenting relationship and not causing harm to anyone?
I always get pissed off when people use the "it is/isn't a choice" argument. It's a stupid argument because it's irrelevant. It doesn't matter if it's a choice or not. What matters is that a homosexual relationship is a perfectly valid one, doesn't cause harm, and should be legal. - smackhero, on 12/31/2007, -7/+21the issue shouldn't be whether it's a choice or an innate/genetic predisposition. the issue is whether or not our society should be intolerant of homosexuals, or whether or not we want homophobes running the nation. this is all really just part of the bigger issue of whether or not we should allow religious fundamentalists to turn our government into an unconstitutional christian theocracy.
on a side note, let's not get distracted arguing about petty semantics. yes, all behavior can be consciously modified, but that's not the issue here. - inactive, on 12/31/2007, -8/+22It's amazing that anything associated with atheists or homosexuals brings out the fight in people. Too bad both sides can't get past their prejudice and aim that fighting spirit towards the criminals in DC. The US Constitution does not ban atheism nor does it ban homosexuality. As repugnant as both may be to the majority, the US Constitution was put in place to protect individual rights.
I don't care what you worship or what you prefer to screw. Just don't shove it in my face and expect me to accept it. - kingmanic, on 12/31/2007, -2/+16Remember being a teenager, all that pent up sexual energy made you a doofus. Imagine 80 years of that. yeah not pretty.
- pintomp3, on 12/31/2007, -8/+22religiously motivated bigotry is a choice.
- breadfred, on 12/31/2007, -2/+16Being a ***** is also a choice
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