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- pintomp3, on 07/13/2008, -9/+29you need a whole library to house "my pet goat"?
- EntropyMan, on 07/13/2008, -7/+23More than just the access, he offered US Foreign Policy for sale -- the US State department would give a reviled exiled leader of Krygystan its public endorsement for the small price of:
$200-$250k to the Bush Library
$500k in fees to Payne's company
1 video tape busting the whole crooked administration for business as usual. - inactive, on 07/13/2008, -5/+19This is no big deal..Hell, Clinton sold a pardon to Marc Rich for $100,000 donation to his library. That's far worse than access
- redmannine, on 07/13/2008, -8/+21this is a pretty sad state of affairs
- infodoc1, on 07/13/2008, -8/+18USA: the best democracy that money can buy.
- Cadenzah, on 07/13/2008, -4/+14this is how politics works everywhere. it'd be more surprising if this ***** didn't happen in the U.S, as the only exception in the history of governments.
- badnewshotel, on 07/13/2008, -4/+13Didn't Clinton sell his whole library to the Chinese?
- IamJustinM, on 07/13/2008, -9/+18So this administration is a whore now. Can it get any worse?
- pauliusuza, on 07/13/2008, -2/+10Let me ask you just one thing: is it legal?
- HanFastolfe, on 07/13/2008, -1/+8"The Mark Rich incident affected Mark Rich"
Just him?
"In 1983 Rich and partner Pincus Green were indicted by U.S. Attorney and future mayor of New York City Rudolph Giuliani, on charges of tax evasion and illegal trading with Iran. They were indicted while they were in Switzerland. The pair failed to return to the U.S. following the indictment, and were on the FBI's Most Wanted List for many years."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich
Apparently Mr. Rich involved himself with Iran, in oil trading, during the hostage crisis (a real dirtbag thing to do at that time particularly).Which, since the oil trade is global, Mr Rich did effect the entire world. As someone who evaded their taxes, and was a fugitive (requiring the Feds to invest time, and money to seek him) he did affect (negatively) the nation. You act like his crimes were committed in a vacuum.
I know you would wish to cling to partisanship, but that ship (on this issue) is sinking, I suggest you bail. Don't worry you can have it another day, but for today, it's not gonna work. - Naieve, on 07/13/2008, -3/+9Google Marc Rich.
He sold pardons. - prahareturns, on 07/13/2008, -0/+6It's amazing to see now naive the vast majority of those replying to this post are about fund raising. This is not unique, not news, and definitely not confined to Republicans or Bush. This is simply how fund raising works and is common practice for Presidential library's including Democratic libraries.
If you really want change I suggest voting every current congressperson out of office regardless of party affiliation. With the congressional approval rating under 20% (based on the majority of polls) they all deserve to go and future representatives should be restricted to two terms. - Rotzooi, on 07/13/2008, -12/+17The Republicans are making America resemble a banana republic. Disgusting.
- portnoy, on 07/14/2008, -0/+5Kind of an irony, so much money for a president that goes to such lengths to avoid reading.
- inactive, on 07/13/2008, -2/+7So? Clinton rented out the Lincoln bedroom. This is a more honorable method of fund raising.
- Pinkertinkle, on 07/13/2008, -8/+12Bush administration corrupt? No way!
- peticsu, on 07/13/2008, -5/+9nice to see the British press doing the job the American press doesnt have the balls to do.
- TheRhinoceros, on 07/13/2008, -0/+4It's not surprising that this kind of thing is going on. Disgusting but not surprising. And that's the part that bothers me most. We have come to expect Immoral behavior from our political leadership. And from the comments I have read here, I am not the only one who feels that way.
We need honest leadership and honest leaders. We need to find some way to reconnect to our leadership here in America. Not be partisan, Not point fingers. Just be American. Yes this guy is an *****, but his actions didn't happen in a vacuum. He can't be the only one. If it's Stephen Payne, it's thousands of others with him and like him in both parties (or did you miss the mention of Joe Biden), who even if they disagree with it, condone it by turning a blind eye to it. BTW I am not saying Joe is part of it, but that this bum can offer visits like this with these people speaks to a need for heavy regulation in Washington of lobbyists and the Big Money Machine.
Washington is corrupt because we let it get that way. Washington is corrupt because people will abuse power if we let them. Lobbyists need to be reigned in. Government needs to be reigned in. We can legislate this issue away, if congress and the next president let us.
But somehow I doubt that'll happen. Too many people get paid too much money to let this go that easily.
Bastards.
election-coverage.com - HanFastolfe, on 07/14/2008, -0/+4The same level of shadiness, Clinton still wont release a complete list of the names, and dollars (or whatever foreign currency) donated to his library. It happens, it sucks. I'd like to see the whole process be transparent, but for now this is a non-partisan issue. The next President will being doing the same thing.
- MacBookForMe, on 07/13/2008, -0/+4That's exactly how the politics works from the beginning of the civilization):
- lordkoos, on 07/13/2008, -4/+7This is a big deal, and it should have been a big deal when Clinton did it as well. Two wrongs don't make a right, as my dad used to say.
- tenspeedogbb, on 07/13/2008, -6/+9Buried as duplicate...this was on the front page like an hour ago.
- BOFH2, on 07/13/2008, -9/+12Yeah, the Democrats are poster children for honesty
- Stevanoski, on 07/13/2008, -0/+3Barf, well at least your committed, the asylum may be next.
- appleseed1234, on 07/13/2008, -1/+4The Democrats have a long way to go to catch up to the corruption and dishonesty that is the hallmark of Republican policy.
- Stevanoski, on 07/13/2008, -0/+3lol, too good.
- chrissku, on 07/13/2008, -3/+6What's up with the all this shadiness that surrounds presidential libraries? Maybe Congress needs to get involved and make the donation process %110 transparent. This is ricockulous.
- Naieve, on 07/13/2008, -4/+7Google Clinton and pardons.
The truth is POLITICIANS are making us resemble a banana republic.
Acting as if it is all the Republicans fault is like saying Clinton balanced the budget.(If you don't understand that reference go do some research on the Social Security Administration under Clinton.) - HanFastolfe, on 07/13/2008, -0/+2Protesters? Having a library? What about those groups not represented by such a library? Could they protest outside, and demand their own library?
- IphtashuFitz, on 07/13/2008, -6/+8Wow, this abuse must be really widespread. I see two other articles on the front page of Digg saying the same thing! It can't all be the same lobbyist, can it?
- IMJGaltstill, on 07/14/2008, -0/+2No he sold the Chinese missile guidance systems.
- stretch611, on 07/14/2008, -0/+2Bush proves that our democracy can be bought, but he also proves that it is far from the best that money can buy.
- inactive, on 07/14/2008, -1/+3There's nothing shady about it. Politicians routinely grant access for donations.
- mOdQuArK, on 07/13/2008, -2/+4Ooo, the "they're just as bad" defense! I suppose that's a tad more honest than the "it wasn't our fault" defense.
- zip000, on 07/13/2008, -1/+2I've dugg this same comment (I think from different people) in all three of the current front page stories about this issue.
- growler1, on 07/13/2008, -2/+3And yet, somehow, another conservative is saying "This is okay because Democrats are __________."
I might actually consider ever voting republican if one of them ever had spine enough to be held accountable for something. - Troy64, on 07/14/2008, -0/+1Were you not old enough to know what went on in the Clinton administration.
- 2Bnor2B, on 07/13/2008, -3/+4I am digging this one because its the actual source of the information not some blog with a link..
- Seidoger, on 07/13/2008, -2/+3You make it sound like it's a bad thing someone would be ticked off by this.. (not that a library isn't a good thing..)
- ravenswing2, on 07/14/2008, -2/+3being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry, because the MSM will always look the other way.
Phew!! Get a new line. Like fish and guests, this continuing whining about the leftist leaning main stream media started to stink after 5 days, and has not stopped. As has been pointed out here many a time, the audio/visual media in this country is owned by 6 of the biggest corporations in the US, if not the world. The print media is not far behind. I haven't taken a poll lately, but I don't think you will find too many card carrying Commies, or (gasp) "Liberals", and damn few minorities, in their board rooms. - VBDon, on 07/14/2008, -3/+4Wow!!! A Republican accused of doing the Democrat thing!! And, instead of slapping him on the back, the Democrats are complaining!!! Just like them.
- ravenswing2, on 07/14/2008, -1/+2Probably, but WTF does that have to do with now?
- ravenswing2, on 07/14/2008, -0/+1Well, my smart friend, just who the hell do you think HIRES the writers and the commentators and all of the other people you think bring so much leftist leaning spin to the news? Didn't it enter your head that any time the suits on the 53d floor decided to change tunes, they could? Why don't they? Do you think it could be because they are pretty sure that the stuff is being pushed out in a fairly straight forward manner, and they see no reason to drift off of center? .....Dude.
- MWeather, on 07/14/2008, -0/+1It is the best money can buy. Name another country that gives you more bang for your lobbying buck.
- goodinohio, on 07/19/2008, -0/+1Both sides are corrupt. America needs to clean house, vote third party.
- Asheis, on 07/14/2008, -0/+1who was burying anything? This is front page news.. unless you're talking comments.. ? of which, i've seen plenty that have enough to say about the democrats as well...
I'm just confused in general. This seems like a stupid, out of context swipe at Obama.
Also.. can somebody explain why this is relevant (In all seriousness, I don't quite understand what the issue here is)..
Is he selling secrets? Besides extortion for a lame cause, I don't see anything wrong with this.. ? - ChildeRoland420, on 07/14/2008, -1/+2Exactly. How is this any different from Clinton offering pardons for donations to his library? In fact, that seems worse. Or, what about renting out rooms in a taxpayer funded building for campaign contributions?
- BlacklabelSAR, on 07/13/2008, -1/+1Did you actually say: "Or is this another Bush Sucks Thread? How many of those have we had? About a brazillion???"
- BlacklabelSAR, on 07/13/2008, -1/+1Agreed that both sides of the same coin is an illusion of choice. So be on your own side, or the side of We the People.
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