About Sarah Palin: an e-mail from Wasilla

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Echota, on 01/05/2009, -29/+209FTA:
McCain is the oldest person to ever run for president; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being president.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there are a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.

Claim vs. Fact
1."Hockey mom": True for a few years

2."PTA mom": True years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since

3."NRA supporter": Absolutely true

4.Social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, but vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).

5.Pro-creationism: Mixed. Supports it, but did nothing as governor to promote it.

6."Pro-life": Mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby but declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation.

7."Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.

8.Political maverick: Not at all.

9.Gutsy: Absolutely!

10.Open and transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.

11.Has a developed philosophy of public policy: No.

12."A Greenie": No. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.

13.Fiscal conservative: Not by my definition!

14.Pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.

15.Pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents

16.Pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.

17.Pro-labor/pro-union: No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

NO McPalin in 08!!

NO WAY, NO HOW!
MommaKatz, on 09/03/2008, -16/+126This lady tells the truth like no other, crediting Palin where due, but not shying away from the cold hard facts either. It's a great, informative and important piece of literature on the issue of Palin's readiness to be VP.
kingUssop, on 09/03/2008, -18/+107"She inherited a city with zero debt but left it with indebtedness of more than $22 million."
Kenzan, on 09/03/2008, -7/+79Kang: Abortions for all!
Crowd: Boo!
Kang: Very well, no abortions for anyone!
Crowd: Boo!
Kang: Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!
Crowd: Yay!
huntress58, on 09/03/2008, -26/+93She drove that small town into debt, imagine, a heart beat away from the Presidency and we have the largest deficit ever, a war with no end, the threat of more from McWar, and the chance this woman could destroy our economy even more. Cripes, we see so clearly that it is McCain First, not Country First. We can't afford either of them.
Homerr, on 09/03/2008, -14/+55Sorry for the wall of text, but it's a good read - I promise.

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By Anne Kilkenny

Editor's note: The writer is a homemaker and education advocate in Wasilla, Alaska. Late last week, Anne Kilkenny penned an e-mail for her friends about vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, whom she personally knows, that has since circulated across comment forums and blogs nationwide. Here is her e-mail in its entirety, posted with her permission.
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I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Gov. Sarah Palin since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first-name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99 percent of the residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice for vice president and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe."

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.

She is "pro-life." She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved here; Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her lifestyle ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time) and less than two years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration, most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings, which had given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative." During her six years as mayor, she increased general government expenditures by more than 33 percent. During those same six years, the amount of taxes collected by the city increased by 38 percent. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax, which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefitted large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenue during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list, though — borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt but left it with indebtedness of more than $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? Or a new library? No. $1 million for a park. $15 million-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex, which she rushed through, on a piece of property that the city didn't even have clear title to. That was still in litigation seven years later — to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5 million for road projects that could have been done in five to seven years without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as governor Sarah proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenue: Spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits but on the basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was mayor of Wasilla, she tried to fire our highly respected city librarian because the librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the city librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys." Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the city and as governor, she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal — loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the state's top cop.

As mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's police chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a state trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than two dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town, introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal city administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

When then-Gov. Frank Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission — one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil and gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job, which paid $122,400 a year, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this commission (who was also the state chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club," when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Sen. Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects — which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance — but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork."

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The state party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla, there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiaitive that would have either protected salmon streams from pollution from mines or tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on whom you listen to). She has pushed the state's lawsuit against the Department of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as a threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for president; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being president.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there are a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.
Claim vs. Fact

* "Hockey mom": True for a few years
* "PTA mom": True years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since
* "NRA supporter": Absolutely true
* Social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, but vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
* Pro-creationism: Mixed. Supports it, but did nothing as governor to promote it.
* "Pro-life": Mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby but declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation.
* "Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.
* Political maverick: Not at all.
* Gutsy: Absolutely!
* Open and transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
* Has a developed philosophy of public policy: No.
* "A Greenie": No. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
* Fiscal conservative: Not by my definition!
* Pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
* Pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents
* Pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.
* Pro-labor/pro-union: No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

Why am I writing this?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name, you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "bad things happen when good people stay silent." Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the city librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerabl
Homerr, on 09/03/2008, -17/+56I must have read 3 dozen articles on Palin in the last few days but this is the only one that gives me a feel as to the person she is.
jimrin, on 09/03/2008, -21/+60If anyone wants to know the real Palin record, they should read this.
sambapati87, on 09/03/2008, -18/+50I swear to God I'm going to pistol whip the next person who says "heartbeat away from the presidency".
BreatheRhetoric, on 09/03/2008, -8/+39I'm going Obama, but I don't necessarily hate McCain. Palin, however, terrifies me!
agentVivid, on 09/03/2008, -9/+37She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million
gluecode, on 09/03/2008, -13/+41Is it Sarah Palin day today on Digg?
YEEK, on 09/03/2008, -7/+34Just what we need, another Bush.
kocurejd, on 09/03/2008, -1/+27Hey Farva, what's that restaurant you like with all the goofy ***** on the wall and the mozzarella sticks?
Br3ach, on 09/03/2008, -1/+23Dont blame me, I voted for Kodos
GoteamVenture, on 09/03/2008, -13/+34Very interesting read. It gave me a little bit different perspective regarding her pro-life, creationism views, in a favorable light. However, hearing how she brought Wasilla into debit is extremely disconcerting.
Hillsfar, on 09/03/2008, -29/+49Dig this up everyone! Anne Kilkenny, whos knows Sarah Palin and lives in Wasilla and knows the history has laid her reputation in the community on the line to bring us this news. If even half the things said are true (like getting the city into extreme debt) we need to get rid of Sarah Palin. We need to support Ms. Kilkenny for speaking out!
inactive, on 09/03/2008, -11/+28What continues to stand out, to me, is the growth of government, the spending on unnecessary items (while skimping on the necessary), and the overall fiscal irresponsibility.

Again, these are the things Republicans constantly try to pin on Democrats, yet Bush is one of hte worst, and McCain picks a VP that fits the big government, spend away profile.
zephc, on 09/03/2008, -9/+27"Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys." Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the city and as governor, she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal — loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the state's top cop."

Wow, that sounds familiar.
mywhitenoise, on 09/03/2008, -3/+21Obama:
- Graduates from Harvard Law School Magna Cum Laude in 1991
- Works with the law firm Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland between 1993 and 2004, litigating issues including constitutional rights and public interest
- Teaches Constitutional law at University of Chicago Law School for 12 years
- In 1992, directs "Project Vote" in Illinois, resulting in 150,000 more people registering to vote
- Elected as an Illinois State Senator and served between 1996 and 2004
- Elected to Congress as a Senator in 2004
- Announces candidacy for President in 2007, and officially nominated in 2008

Pailin
- Graduates from the Univ. of Idaho in 1987 with a BA in communications-journalism and a minor in political science
- Served on Wasilla city council 1992-1996
- 1996-2002, she served as mayor of Wasilla
- 2003-2004, She was appointed chairman of Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission
- 2006-present, serves as the Governor of Alaska
-2008 Chosen as Vice Presidential Candidate
hamobu, on 09/03/2008, -13/+29Good article. This should not be the only source of info but worth a read.
CeeAyy, on 09/03/2008, -4/+21So you basically disregarded everything else she wrote and got upset about the old age of McCain. The funny thing is that she is not wrong about Sarah being a heartbeat away. Is that all you could muster as a response?
Homerr, on 09/03/2008, -6/+23continued....

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Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

Caveats: I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending and taxation two years ago (when Palin was running for governor) from information supplied to me by the finance director of the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: Did I adjust for inflation? For population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall — they are swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000" up to 9,000. The day Palin's selection was announced, a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-1990s.

Anne Kilkenny is a homemaker and education advocate in Wasilla, Alaska.
funkyloki, on 09/03/2008, -5/+22The city had NO debt before she took office. But it is okay by you that she left a debt of $2200 for each citizen when she left. She couldn't even do the job; she had to hire a city manager to run the place (something the mayors before her did) at $60,000/year. She ran on a platform of fiscal conservatism, yet left the city with more debt than when she started. That is antithetical to fiscal conservatism. And the debt wasn't even for infrastructure, which was actually needed and could have been justified, it was for a sports complex that has not been completed seven years later because it has been buried in a legal morass over the land. All this comes from a resident of the town, whose opinion on the matter I trust a lot more than yours.
tonymancan, on 09/03/2008, -13/+30How come the truth never seems to come out? The only information people believe is the information they are told. If people did just a little digging they would easily see just what bad people McCain and Palin are. This is especially true of McCain. Their policies will only serve to undermine the middle class for the benefit of big business. Yet, there are a number of people that are convinced that this is good for them and their families, WTF.
Jeeum, on 09/03/2008, -6/+22That's the sort of thing that "fiscal conservatives" do. e.g. Reagan, Bush Sr., Bush Jr.
inactive, on 09/03/2008, -19/+35On the same day that the Republicans were forced to dramatically cut back their convention activities, the Palin Meltdown unfolded with extraordinary speed. It's worth pondering the totality of what happened in a mere half day...

* The news that Palin once backed the Bridge to Nowhere went national.

* It emerged that Palin has links to the bizarro Alaska Independence Party, which harbors the goal of seceding from the union that McCain and Palin seek to lead.

* The news broke that as governor, Palin relied on an earmark system she now opposes. Taken along with the Bridge to Nowhere stuff, this threatens to undercut her reformist image, something that was key to her selection as McCain's Veep candidate.

* The news broke that Palin's 17-year-old daughter became pregnant out of wedlock at a time when the conservative base had finally started rallying behind McCain's candidacy.

* Barely moments after McCain advisers put out word that McCain had known of Bristol Palin's pregnancy, the Anchorage Daily News revealed that Palin's own spokesperson hadn't known about it only two days ago.

* A senior McCain adviser at the Republican convention was forced into the rather embarrassing position of arguing that McCain had known about the pregnancy "last week" -- without saying what day last week he knew about it.

* It came out that Republican lawyers are up in Alaska vetting Palin -- now, more than 72 hours after it was announced that she'd been picked.

* Palin lawyered up in relation to the trooper-gate probe in Alaska -- a move that ensures far more serious attention to the story from the major news orgs.
nishuweb, on 09/03/2008, -16/+31Most of Palin's supporters tout her experience as an executive, but if the facts of this email turn out to be true, she is a horrible executive! I fear for this country. I find it odd that Republicans continue to claim they are fiscally conservative when repeatedly they spend more than anyone else. I'm getting tired of that tag line. Palin seems to be just as bad.
PatoLucas, on 09/03/2008, -2/+17More like Sarah Palin's week
I'm not complaining, this kind of ***** is important and I don't mind the articles as long as they're relevant
jonmlm, on 09/03/2008, -5/+20seriously? i hope mccain keeps that talking point up, because after reading this letter i think i have more experience than her.
kingofinternet, on 09/03/2008, -5/+20compassionate conservative right there folks.
enclaved, on 09/03/2008, -1/+16wow, you're a tool.
AndrewDB, on 09/03/2008, -5/+20Wall of text hits you for over 9000 damage!
kingofinternet, on 09/03/2008, -0/+14you got me quad, i didn't realize the people of wasilla were millionaires with $500k garages.

don't insult the people getting an education, even young people, when you've clearly squandered yours.
cannuk, on 09/03/2008, -4/+17According to a later posting on the same site it is not an urban legend. He talked to the lady who wrote the email.

http://fairlyconservative.com/the-race-for-preside ...
jotate, on 09/03/2008, -0/+12If you haven't been here since last Thursday, then yeah, it's Sarah Palin Day on Digg.
Revlution4ever, on 09/03/2008, -9/+21Personally, I like it. McCain is paying for his poor choice.
Kohaxx, on 09/03/2008, -0/+12It's been verified, you can check in Times. Anne Kilkenny in the article states she opposed Palin's book ban, this is the same Anne who wrote this article and conservative blogs managed to get ahold of the original document sent out on email lists.

Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/us/politics/03wa ...
Blogger Cindy Kilkenny (apparently a common name, no relation) with the original email minus address: http://fairlyconservative.com/the-race-for-preside ...
smingram, on 09/03/2008, -0/+12I want to pistol whip the next person who uses the word "maverick".
luthienrising, on 09/03/2008, -3/+15Cache: http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:6VO3oY1ZZKgJ:w ...
thelif, on 09/03/2008, -1/+13Later the same author in the comments section says she is real and she has the original letter.
BothBarsOn, on 09/03/2008, -6/+18"Ted Kennedy is older than McCain and has a brain tumour."

That would be a great point if Kennedy were running for president. He isn't though.
archiesteel, on 09/04/2008, -3/+14vexing, how do you feel about the fact that she raised taxes (up of 30%) while Mayor and took a city that had zero debt and left it 22 Million $ in the hole? Just so you know, 22 millions for a city of 7000 is about 3,000 $ for each soul...

She has Executive Experience, all right...but it seems to me she was a pretty bad administrator!

Also, how do you defend the documented fact that she wanted to ban books from the Library? Are you against Freedom of Speech, too?
booksnmore4you, on 09/04/2008, -1/+12WRONG.

See http://fairlyconservative.com/the-race-for-preside ... where she was contacted and all was confirmed.
DreKor, on 09/03/2008, -3/+14By McCain standards, yes. Remember, this is Alaska. The US purchased it for $7.2 million. Perhaps your friends would like to get together and buy a state?
sejanus2x, on 09/03/2008, -1/+11The term "flip-flop" needs to be buried for all eternity.

It doesn't matter what side of the political spectrum you are on, anyone that *never* changes their mind is far more of a danger to our freedom. Even GW Bush, the guy who campaigned on the idea that he was intractable, has changed his mind of late about several key issues.
CeeAyy, on 09/03/2008, -5/+15The funny thing is that this is actually a "sound bite" that matters. You c an try to minimize it, but his age is relevant and important. His age doesn't disqualify him, however it merits close scrutiny. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less important.

Oh, and again... what is this left/right nonsense. This is about what's important for the USA and not what's important for any particular party. He's an old man in bad health with bad judgement. Accept it. If you like him, your job is to sell everyone on his good points, not call people names like a child in a school yard or minimize opposing points of view by lumping them in a "liberal" or "neocon" box. To add a cliche... even a broken (analog) watch is right twice a day. That means that even your enemy is occasionally right no matter how much you dislike the idea.
kingofinternet, on 09/03/2008, -3/+13LOVE THOSE BULLETPOINTS!

love them! makes it almost look like you're making a point.
SatoriSeeker, on 09/03/2008, -0/+10Well then, she's president material!
inactive, on 09/04/2008, -0/+10"This kind of post makes me believe that there is no such thing as a knowledgeable Democrat anymore"

Well, since I am not a Democrat, I guess your whole argument is *****. But, adding 22 million for a sports center, while you ignore basic civil requirements, doesn't sound fiscally responsible.

But go on! Tell me how my years of researching both parties is *****! Very helpful in winning me over, comeimg from someone who is the same age as me when I had spent 6 YEARS in the navy, 4 on submarines, then was married with a career at your age.

Preach away, brother!
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