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- SaraLiberty, on 08/16/2008, -7/+304"Under law, during a national emergency, FEMA and its parent organization, the Department of Homeland Security, would be empowered to seize private and public property, all forms of transport, and all food supplies. The agency could dispatch military commanders to run state and local governments, and it could order the arrest of citizens without a warrant, holding them without trial for as long as the acting government deems necessary. "
Wow, our rights, civil liberties and freedom as American citizens rendered null and void at the drop of a hat. We have no more "rights" than street people in Iraq. Our Constitutional rights have been superseded. No 'radical Islamic" could have ever accomplished that. "You tax dollars at work." Such disgusting rape and destruction of our Constitution and Bill of Rights by the fascists in power. Bin Laden didn't give us a wrongfully-named "Patriot Act" or Hitlerian "Department of Homeland (in)Security" either. Who are these evil terrorists who hate our American freedoms and way of life again? - inactive, on 05/20/2008, -11/+154Does Main Core exist? And if it does, where would Bush put all the people on the list?
Ask yourself, why was Halliburton paid to build all those concentration camps? Which are now done and ready.
Why were there massive terrorist-event-response exercises recently all over? With participation of local law enforcement. And news of them blacked out?
Why does Bush refused to release the Annexes describing COG to Congress? The depth of planning to support a police state has substantial.
Enjoy your 4th of July celebration this year, because it'll probably be the last free one the United States has. Bush, Cheney, and all the NeoCons know they'll be imprisoned if they don't seize overt control under a pretext for martial law. I have a bad feeling about all this, we're coming overdue for another stage-managed terror event. Remember that mysterious missing-nukes event recently. Which major city gets hit this time? - lazerus9, on 05/20/2008, -3/+116No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please.
Hiram Mann - Konrad9, on 05/20/2008, -3/+1039/11 didn't scare me.
This terrifies me.
Who are the real terrorists? - inactive, on 05/20/2008, -9/+78Be sure to booby trap your compound and basement so you can go down taking out a lot of NWO jackbooted thugs with you, to Hell.
- eyepatch100, on 05/20/2008, -4/+71How to get on the list:
1. ***** with the TSA.
2. Be name "Mohammed."
3. Want things to change. - georgemason01, on 05/20/2008, -4/+64Digg this if you're on the list.
- Erich100, on 05/20/2008, -3/+58FTA-- It is, of course, appropriate for any government to plan for the worst. But when COG plans are shrouded in extreme secrecy, effectively unregulated by Congress or the courts, and married to an overreaching surveillance state—as seems to be the case with Main Core—even sober observers must weigh whether the protections put in place by the federal government are becoming more dangerous to America than any outside threat.
That sums it up for me. There is no outside threat to the American people and the American Constitution than our own government. - str1fe, on 05/20/2008, -2/+54It's gotten to the point where this kind of stuff coming from the US government doesn't surprise me anymore, it only deepens my disappointment at what my country has turned into. If I don't see some major changes from (what will hopefully be, if there is any decency left among our citizens) the Obama administration, I'll be making plans to move to Australia. I don't want to live with this kind of thing anymore.
- GunsGermsSteel, on 05/20/2008, -0/+48Noam Chomsky is fuuuuucked.
- inactive, on 05/20/2008, -0/+42As of right now, the ACLU has over 970,000 on it's terrorist watch list counter. I have no idea how accurate that is, but that is an INSANE number. http://www.aclu.org/privacy/spying/watchlistcounte ...
- astronomical, on 05/20/2008, -3/+44Martial law is not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, but the suspension of habeas corpus is mentioned in Article 1, Section 9, and the activation of the militia in time of rebellion or invasion is mentioned in Article 1, Section 8.
Through out United States history are several examples of the imposition of martial law, aside from that during the Civil War.
During the war of 1812, General Andrew Jackson imposed martial law within his encampment at New Orleans, which he had recently liberated. Martial law was also imposed in a four mile radius around the camp. When word came of the end of the war, Jackson maintained martial law, contending that he had not gotten official word of the peace. A judge demanded habeas corpus for a man arrested for sedition. Rather than comply with the writ, Jackson had the judge arrested. After the civil authority was restored, the judge fined Jackson $1000, which he paid, and for which the Congress later reimbursed Jackson.
In 1892, at Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, rebellious mine workers blew up a mill and shot at strike-breaking workers. The explosion leveled a four-story building and killed one person. Mine owners asked the governor to declare martial law, which he did. At the same time, a request was made for federal troops to back guardsmen. Over 600 people were arrested. The list was whittled down to two dozen ring leaders who were tried in civil court. While in prison, the mine workers formed a new union, the Western Federation of Miners.
In 1914, imposition of martial law climaxed the so-called Coal Field Wars in Colorado. Dating back decades, the conflicts came to a head in Ludlow in 1913. The Colorado National Guard was called in to quell the strikers. For a time, the peace was kept, but it is reported that the make-up of the Guard stationed at the mines began to shift from impartial normal troops to companies of loyal mine guards. Clashes increased and the proclamation of martial law was made by the governor. President Wilson sent in federal troops, eventually ending the violence.
In 1934, California Governor Frank Merriam placed the docks of San Francisco under martial law, citing "riots and tumult" resulting from a dock worker's strike. The Governor threatened to place the entire city under martial law. The National Guard was called in to open the docks, and a city-wide institution of martial law was averted when goods began to flow. The guardsmen were empowered to make arrests and to then try detainees or turn them over to the civil courts.
Martial law and San Francisco were no strangers - following the earthquake of 1906, the troops stationed in the Presidio were pressed into service. Guards were posted throughout the city, and all dynamite was confiscated. The dynamite was used to destroy buildings in the path of fires, to prevent the fires from spreading. Troops were ordered to shoot looters. Though there was never an official declaration of martial law, the event is often cited as such. However, at all times it appears the troops took their orders indirectly from the civil authority.
Though not a state at the time, Hawaii was placed under martial law in 1941, following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Many of the residents of Hawaii were, and are, of Asian descent, and the loyalty of these people was called into question. After the war, the federal judge for the islands condemned the conduct of martial law, saying, "Gov. Poindexter declared lawfully martial law but the Army went beyond the governor and set up that which was lawful only in conquered enemy territory namely, military government which is not bound by the Constitution. And they ... threw the Constitution into the discard and set up a military dictatorship."
On 8/26/2005, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans was placed under martial law after widespread flooding rendered civil authority ineffective. The state of Louisiana does not have an actual legal construct called "martial law," but instead something quite like it: a state of public health emergency. The state of emergency allowed the governor can suspend laws, order evacuations, and limit the sales of items such as alcohol and firearms. The governor's order limited the state of emergency, to end on 9/25/2005, "unless terminated sooner." - inactive, on 05/20/2008, -1/+411984
"Freedom is slavery" - str1fe, on 05/20/2008, -1/+38Protecting our country, and providing us our freedoms? That's a concept I can agree with. I like what the Bush administration says it is giving us. Unfortunately, they aren't. What Bush and Co. are doing is stripping us of our freedoms for the sake of "national security", and it has to stop.
It disgusts me that our Constitutional rights are being taken away from us, slowly but surely, under the guise of protecting our nation and making us feel "safe", and I can't continue to live in this country unless the next administration does something to change it.
I'm not just saying that either (like some people like to do) - I have a town in Australia picked out already, and friends there who could help me move and get situated. I'm just holding out to see what happens in our government. I'll do my part to change us for the better, and if that turns out to be futile, I'm packing up and heading out, - SquigglyP, on 05/20/2008, -3/+39Bin Laden and his buddies killed a few thousand people in new york and washington.
Bush and his administration have effectively killed the constitution and our republic.
who's the bigger terrorist? - CloakandSwagger, on 05/20/2008, -3/+39This comment is provided in part by average American citizen, and monitored in whole by an agency or group of agencies which chooses to remain unidentified and may or may not be American.
Thank you, and go ***** yourself. - LocalMotion125, on 05/20/2008, -1/+35"It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad." - James Madison
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
- Abraham Lincoln - WTFppl, on 05/20/2008, -2/+32Hang Cheney and 15 people close to him for treason! There, that should have me on the list, if I was not already there!
- SilverBlade2k, on 05/20/2008, -1/+30President Bush, and whoever HIS boss is (it's not the voters, or Congress), use 'Problem-Reaction-Solution'. They create the problem (terrorist attacks), then they wait for the reaction of the people demanding change, and their solution (under the guise of 'Security'), is to make laws SO vague, SO broad, that it would be legal for them to round up ANY American citizen, even if they are 'suspected' of 'terrorist' involvement, or KNOW someone who is. And their definition of a 'terrorist' is so vague, and so broad that it literally can include anyone..
If you even *mutter* something that is against the American government. You're sent to jail. Or if you resist/rally/protest in ANY way shape or form, that is now seen as an 'terrorist attack'...and then you are jailed.
Freedom doesn't exist if it can be removed legally at the drop of a hat. - Princeamor, on 05/20/2008, -7/+34That's why we need Ron Paul!
- fixty, on 05/20/2008, -2/+28"The federal government has been developing a highly classified plan that will override the Constitution in the event of a major terrorist attack"
...so basically in the event the US is attacked these ***** are laying plans to finish her off. This is ***** treason. - maasox74, on 05/20/2008, -1/+27I think one of the fundamental problems is the typically American view that rights and freedom are somehow "given" by the constitution or the government. The immediate consequence of this view is that the government owns the citizen's rights and freedom and can give or retract it as it wishes. Actually this is the exact postulate on which the gruesome Soviet Union was built (I know it, I lived there).
Rights and freedom are an inherent part of being a human (NOT of being a citizen) and they exist for everybody, Americans, Canadians, the "street people in Iraq"... The mission of a democratic government (like in a small and decreasing number of countries) is not to "give" rights but to protect existing rights. A greedy totalitarian government like in China or, presently, in the US, will pretend that people have no rights outside of what it wishes to give them, and only those people that it chooses (call them "citizens" or "party members"). - chkdg8, on 05/20/2008, -25/+48Does anyone else still think that Alex Jones is a kook? Again, he's been crying out against this subject for years.
- shig, on 05/20/2008, -1/+24If you are not on that list you're unAmerican.
- apophenic, on 05/20/2008, -1/+23Duplicate, but I'll digg this one too. This is important, god dammit!
- apothekari, on 05/20/2008, -5/+26 So long as a man can look into the eyes of his oppressor, he is free. ...
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* Fascism is not defined by the number of its victims, but by the way it kills them.
Jean-Paul Charles Aymard Sartre "On the Execution of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg," Libération (June 22, 1953) - yaddayaddayoda, on 05/20/2008, -0/+19Amen to that. He's the only one seriously espousing *reducing* the overreaching power of the govt.
- GraceHead, on 05/20/2008, -2/+20Chicago will be hit. (pure guess, but an educated one at that)
towers will fall
panic will occur
food will be hard to find
STOCK
UP
If that does not happen, look for a "false-flag" attack to blame Hezbollah and Iran or some other kind of trumped up reason to goto war with someone to divert attention to the crumbling economy (18% + currency devaluation according to shadowstats.com) - evozero, on 05/20/2008, -0/+18and you are now on the list.
- WiredLain, on 05/20/2008, -1/+18This makes me even more paranoid. A few days ago 5 combat helicopters flew low over my apartment complex, (I spotted the missile tubs on the sides). I do not live near a military base. I live in Houston ,Texas.
- lacronicus, on 05/20/2008, -0/+17It all depends on who you want to believe is smarter. Was it Bin Ladin's plan all along to get us all scared enough to bring about our own destruction, or was Bush simply waiting for something to happen that would allow him to gain control? Or, if you really feel like pulling out the triple-strength foil, were they both working together, so that they might further both their needs?
- bjornski, on 05/20/2008, -0/+17Camps have been being built for years. FEMA is in charge of them.
Do some digging on "REX 84", "NSPD 51" and "Executive Order 12919".. There are maps, photos, and videos showing these camps.
They're things written in to preserve the "continuity of government" in the event of ""....any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions; "
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20 ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6981490430 ...
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentr ...
Again. Do some research. Don't trust the media to tell you about this. - n8o8, on 05/20/2008, -0/+17Did I just get added for digging this?
- AzureRise, on 05/20/2008, -0/+16On January 24, 2006 Halliburton’s subsidiary KBR (formerly Kellogg, Brown and Root) announced that it had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build "temporary detention and processing facilities" or internment camps. According to Business Wire, this contract will be executed in cooperation with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Fort Worth District. Critics point to the Guantanamo Bay detention camp as a possible model. On the other hand, according to a press release posted on the Halliburton website, "The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. The contingency support contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish, operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halliburton - 4degrees, on 05/20/2008, -0/+16no rights = every right to whoop ass! *****, if you have no rights in their eyes why comply with their demands?
- StaticThunder, on 05/20/2008, -0/+16I was with you to #3. Must be a ***** long list then. Easier to list who DOESN'T.
- Barackalypse, on 05/20/2008, -7/+23The government, the only real threat your civil rights ever really have. Now, lets go elect Obama, McCain, or Hillary to make it bigger and more powerful!
- spawnfree, on 05/20/2008, -1/+16In 1933, group of wealthy businessmen that allegedly included the heads of Chase Bank, GM, Goodyear, Standard Oil, the DuPont family and Senator Prescott Bush tried to recruit Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler to lead a military coup against President FDR and install a fascist dictatorship in the United States. And yes, we're talking about the same Prescott Bush who fathered one US President and grandfathered another one.
A good rule of thumb: never trust a man named Smedley to run your hostile military coup for you. Besides being no fan of fascism, Smedley Butler was both a patriot and a vocal FDR supporter. Apparently none of these criminal masterminds noticed that their prospective point man had actively stumped for FDR in 1932.
Smedley spilled the beans to a congressional committee in 1934. Everyone he accused of being a conspirator vehemently denied it, and none of them were brought up on criminal charges. Still, the House McCormack-Dickstein Committee did at least acknowledge the existence of the conspiracy, which ended up never getting past the initial planning stages.
Though many of the people who had allegedly backed the Business Plot also maintained financial ties with Nazi Germany up through America's entry into World War II. But at least the United States never ended up becoming a fascist dictatorship (unless you ask Ron Paul supporters).
cracked.com. yeah its a comedy site but i cant remember where i first heard this.
Looks like daddy's crazy boys found a way; slowly sneak up to you while wearing the disguise of a patriotic idiot, then handcuff you and make you a slave to guarantee profit for sociopaths. - shig, on 05/20/2008, -1/+16IF there is a list, it's a death-list. Internment camps are for the masses, not high-level targets named in a secret list.
And there are internment camps, facilities, unused bus terminals, piers, bases, etc. Some are for immigration authorities, some are for inmate labor, and some are for detained citizens and purposes unspecified. They exist under many different programs and directives. I'm not saying there are secret military bases underneath every manhole cover like some schizophrenic, but I'm just saying there are some military bases that have no known listing, record, or name.
Here's a headline from lasts Saturday's LA Times showing DHS taking bids on construction of an immigration camp: "Immigration agency plans new family detention centers"
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la- ...
Here's one from the Village Voice way back in 02 describing some camps with plenty of references, etc:
"General Ashcroft's Detention Camps"
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0236,hentoff,3800 ...
Here's, really, all anyone could know about internment camps in the USA without actually having been to one: **WARNING** It's really old.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm - sonicularulus, on 05/20/2008, -1/+16sounds like the House of Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) all over again....
- SIRBERUS, on 05/20/2008, -6/+21Operation Northwoods.
Look it up. - A11YND, on 05/20/2008, -1/+15The Homeland doesn't need to be secure, the rights of those in the Homeland need to be secure, to say we must have national security so that the United States may continue to exist is merely fascist nationalistic rhetoric that must be stopped. There is nothing to protect other than the rights of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness those are the only things that MUST and SHOULD be protected, ***** the Homeland.
- jroyale, on 05/20/2008, -1/+15It is a long list. There are 8 million people on it and odds are, if you're reading this, you're one of them.
- Princeamor, on 05/20/2008, -1/+15The truth is right in your face and you still don't notice!
- capitalismKills, on 05/20/2008, -5/+19I'm so glad I'm not an American.
I really genuinely feel bad for anyone who has to live in fear & distrust of their government.
BTW something like this would be impossible to happen in an anarchist/social society - dcshiderly, on 05/20/2008, -0/+14Freedom can always be removed. The tree of Liberty must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
- Hangly, on 05/20/2008, -1/+15If I'm not on the list the list is seriously flawed.
- ninjadeathcult, on 05/20/2008, -1/+15Nope The only bad thing is sometimes his presentation and interpretation of facts can be a litttle dramatized for effect (which can be offputting for some), but he does not lie After I listened to my first Alex Jones Podcast I was very doubting as most people are so I went through every statement he made on his 3 hour show and was able to find the documentation online for nearly everything he said. I challenge everyone not to right him off as a nut but to actually look at what he says and research it its the least you could do being as your country is in the state that its in and he's one of the only prominent voices of truth you still have, I mean the guy knew about 911 FFS! visit youtube
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