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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+77I see that aaaz & his sockpuppets are burying Techie1. Too bad. If there's any humans around, feel free to digg Techie1 up again - the "gaming" and "duping" he's complaining about is that aaaz steals stories, buries the originals, then trumps up his copy through mates & sockpuppets.
- DarkXanthos, on 10/12/2007, -9/+31Did you just "PWNED" someone using VB (broken VB I might add)?? lol
- eastshores, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17In case you are as curious as I was about what waterboarding is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding - alanspach, on 10/12/2007, -4/+151+1=terrorist
- Philodox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Damn, and here I thought this was going to be a story about basic arithmetic.
- washingtonydc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11we shouldn't judge ourselves by comparing our conduct to that of others. we should uphold ourselves to the kind of conduct worthy of being the greatest country to ever exist--the bastion of liberty that is an example to the entire world. we shouldn't be acting in a way that sullies our honor or isn't worthy of the principles we're founded on.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12The headline is from the article itself, which i appreciate when the poster uses the actual headline rather than make up headlines for himself.
What i dont appreciate is the needless profanity and name calling here, especially when it is an overtly obtuse comment like yours. - jumbojs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I like all the people who believe torturing is OK as long as it's not our own people. We bring ourselves down to the level of the terrorists and people actually think this is OK. It's this whole notion that we as Americans are right, morally and ethically, so it's fine if we torture. Well guess what, everyone else in the world has their own views and one day this elitist attitude America has is going to bite us right in the ass.
- exobyte, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16Yup- title and description were both worthless.
- Complexium, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10In my opinion - the right to torture and use harsh treatment of the (possible) suspects are wrong!
- titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I second Techie1. aaaz you need to get a ***** life! You spread so much BS, accusing people so you can get sympathy and you dupe articles intentionally. aaaz it's pretty obvious watching Digg spy and checking who Dugg your stories. Going through your homepage stories randomly, yes randomly and seeing who Dugg it it's the same group of people! Also watching Digg Spy I see your friends Digging you stories at blazing speeds. Stop the circle jerk, stop telling your Gtalk buddies to Digg your stuff. For a freaking Ivy League grad (If you didn't lie to me) you are are a freaking idiot with no life.
- ml7667, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Can anyone find the video for this anywhere else? That FoxNews video player isn't too amazing.
- washingtonydc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@ Herkimer, everyone agrees that these people should be questioned and interrogated in a way that produces reliable information.
But we're not talking about loud noises--we're talking about things like waterboarding. At convincing people that they are going to die. Things like that--and possibly worse. Things against US and International law which do not even provide usable intelligence or help protect our nation.
It reminds me of an interrogation techinque used by the CIA about five years ago that I read a while back (wish I had link). They had a terrorist mastermind and needed info but he wouldn't crack. CIA found out his son was dying from a failing heart. CIA arranged a heart transplant for the kid. The terrorist sang like a canary.
Moral of the story: there are much more effective ways at protecting our nation than eliciting unreliable confessions from a man believing he's about to die. - theuber1337, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Unfortunately we aren't any better than they are.. this is why I havn't been able to honestly say the pledge of allegiance in years.
But hey, at least we're sticking to our traditions, if you're white and wealthy you're living up to the American standard! "...with liberty and justice for all white landowning males." - ToonPang, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Like what a sovereign nation is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNe4GWxos2s
Is it just me, or does he always respond like the slacker kid in class that didn't read the book? - washingtonydc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5the WaPo is, in my opinion, the best paper in the nation.
or let me put it to you: what MSM newspaper do you think is the best? I doubt, from your disdain of the WaPo, it's the Times. So I'm just curious to see if you think any of them are good. - nalf38, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12Good lord, the Republicans really are great at defining the language of the debate. Did you notice how O'Reilly used the word torture and Bush immediately used the word 'questioning' over and over just after?
Waterboarding = Torture
Torture != Questioning
Questioning = Questioning - cakestick, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Give me a link to somebody saying that's the extent of our torture, and i'll either a) discredit it, or b) eat my ***** hat.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Everyone already ***** knows the US waterboards people. You'd think that bush would lie about the waterboarding like everything else. "Iraq has WMDs." "We don't torture." "This is constitutional." etc.
- CanPanther, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@TSK06: Your thinking is all wrong on this. Our whole society is built on the premise that all people have certain rights. The word 'all' means exactly that: everyone. Not just those that follow the law, but those that break it as well. Even the most despicable people have certain rights, such as the chance for legal representation and a fair trial and, also, the chance to see and refute all evidence being used against them. That includes theives, rapists, murderers...all of which can be used to describe a terrorist. And that's exactly what we are falling away from, our society's core values.
Just because someone is labeled as a terrorist should not mean his rights under our society are automatically null and void. A enemy-combatant is just a criminal, just like anyone in the mafia or a street gang. If anyone from these groups are caught in a crime, they still retain certain rights under the law. Hell, the mafia are close in structure and operations to a terrorist organization and even they are afforded to right to counsel, a fair trial and public disclosure of all evidence. It should be no different for a terrorist. But, before you say that maybe the mafia should be included with this kind of legislation, think about the possibilities of just where that could lead. Who knows? It just might happen.
This president, and every subsequent one, gets to determine just who can be classified as an enemy-combatant. So what does it take to be eligible for this classification? Dead bodies? Fundraising? General vocal support? And who can you go to if you are completely innocent? Mistakes have been made already. False accusations and detentions have been publicly acknowledged and have ruined innocent lives and reputations (Maher Arar, just to name one instance).
Everyone deserves certain rights, even the bad guys. - Koosebane, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12Microanalyzing a fluff television interview amounts to torture.
I say we subject terrorists to overly anal editorial columnists. They'd be singing like birds in no time. - youareretarded, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If you can't define torture then how can you say the evidence isn't admissible?
- ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You can actually hear the audience laugh at him.
- pen25, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i say we take all the nukes. give them to all countries on one condition. we all light them off in one shot. and find out whos gods real chosen people and be done with it. what i find funny are the people who says its ok we torture yet they are not in harms way in one bit. i feel its better to err on the side of caution then not. anyway bush isnt going to answer any question. its all national secrets. he cant answer cause he knows hes screwed up. but it wont matter nothing will happen to him. and no im not a leftist or dem. im center and im neither.
- jodokast, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Bush: "Well, one thing is that you can rest assured we are not going to talk about the techniques we use in a public forum, no matter how hard you try, because I don't want the enemy to be able to adjust their tactics if we capture them on the battlefield.
What does enemy battle tactics have to do with torture? - youareretarded, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sure he may have asked the hard questions but he didn't get any answers. A good journalist will get the answers as well.
Too bad you are blinded and didn't notice that each question was a setup to either a) spout the party line or b) attack the other party. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It is mainly a psychological tactic, from what I gather. Done properly, the victim should survive. If those inflicting the waterboarding get overzealous? Well, like anything else, there's always a chance that something can go wrong, I'm sure.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes because we all know US citizens can not have habeas corpus and have to be tortured because they have information. . . you see, because, they are terrorists. The FBI makes this very clear:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/FBIsuspect.html - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Based on how much disinformation like the above has come out of killinger777 I now have to assume he/she is a fed.
- ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Um...prisoners of war are enemy combatants.
And even O'Reilly can blindly stumble into a poignant question. Maybe the rest of us should be asking more since the average literate American probably has higher odds. - ichbinladen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2nixfu is the stupidest digger I've yet seen. I'm guessing 8th grade dropout.
- dancpsu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You can't always get lucky enough to be able to help a terrorist family member in exchange for info. Also, like torture, isn't there a good chance that they will just tell the interrogator what they want to hear to get help for their family member?
- nalf38, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7That's completely assinine. For one, the US hasn't had to deal with emeny combatants before, only prisoners of war, and they were afforded their rights under the Geneva convention, which include habeus corpus.
I hope the Republicans just hammered the last nail in their coffin. - MasterGunner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Resistance to questioning, not Battle Tactics...
Hence, the use of "if we capture them on the battlefield"... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I doubt if the president even knows the address of the White House.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"How was your day?" ?
- Endlessmix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Secrets that will be eventually leaked and published in the New York Times anyway."
Yes, because it's bad to want terrorists rather learn VALUABLE techniques of torture than be left in the dark about one's government's policies.
***** "media leaks." If you Americans have to keep so many secrets, how do you think people are ever going to start trusting you again? - youareretarded, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If Bush has done anything well during his presidency it's the fact that he has managed to completely divide this country as well as the rest of the world!
I can't believe anyone listens to this guy! Every time he is questioned he some how manages to throw in an attack on the other party. Does this tool not know that the American people elect politicians and just because they are from the other party he shouldn't be ignoring them? Every time he talks he manages to say, "***** YOU" to those that aren't affiliated with his political party!
Never have I seen such an opportunity to unite the world (and to really fight terrorism), be completely wasted!
The decider? More like the divider! - jodokast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@nixfu, torture isn't something you can just get trained to resist.
- ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5How about a question he CAN answer?
- j0keR, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I think Mr. Bush needs to be "questioned" in the same way these prisoners are.
- gtiness, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1funny that in the columnists BLOG post he never mentions that evidence obtained by torture is not admissable in a military tribunal.
read the legislation for yourself. it'll be a real learning experience for most of you.
buried for inaccuracy. - bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@MrKamikaze,
Just how exactly would knowing the answer to this compromise national securtiy? Oh yeah, it wouldn't. The only thing it would do is allow us, the US public to decide if the president, who works FOR us, is doing a job, that we feel is acceptable. This would have no bearing on national security at all. If I am arrested by the police, I know what techniques will be used on me, well pre-Oct' '06, but that doesn't make them any less effective.
The real question, Mr. President, is, are the techniques that you are allowing to be used on our detanees acceptable to be used on our troops that are captured in Iraq or in Afghanistan? If you allow them here, those same techniques are allowed there, is that a consequence you are willing to live with Mr. President? Is it ok for our boys to be waterboarded? To be detained indefinitely? That is the direct consequence of your actions Mr. President.
As an American, a very patriotic American, I can only answer that as NO, it is NOT acceptable to treat our boys that way, nor is it acceptable to treat any human that way. - dancpsu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I don't really understand from the wikipedia article. Are you supposed to feel like you're drowning, or is there a chance that you actually drown?
- nalf38, on 10/12/2007, -10/+10They wouldn't get mutilated if they weren't ***** there.
- Allometry, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Isn't getting news from the Washington Post kinda like Conservatives getting reliable news from NewsMax?
- steelmaverick, on 10/12/2007, -22/+21Dim aaaz As Boolean = PWNED
- montek, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2First off, I buried all the comments at the top about whether whats-his-name should have posted this and gotten his monkeys to digg it, blah blah blah. None of those comments had ANYTHING to do with the story, so they should be removed/suppressed/buried.
Secondly, I certainly think this is an interesting discussion we're having. What I find most intriguing is the folks who think they're supporting American rights by terrorizing *innocent* people. Sure, they might be guilty, but as a country, we long ago decided that's not going to be *our* rule of law. At some point, someone really does have to stand up and be the better person here. Perhaps true peace does start with a sincere, open handshake? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1There is a chance something will go wrong just like with every method of interogation. It is very unlikely. Waterboarding has been around for a long time. It is very painful but not deadly if done correctly.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0You really want to go offer a sincere, open handshake to these people? Maybe a warm smile and a little hug? How about a nice flower to put in the barrel of their AK-47?
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