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- ChristPissed, on 10/17/2007, -57/+308christain extremists have become a treasonous cancer in the American fabric. They operate in cells, much like communism did, and they have no loyalty to Country or Constitution, their only loyalty is to their version of jesus or who they are told is jesus' proxy on earth.
- StingerMS, on 10/12/2007, -8/+165I'm almost embarrassed to call myself a Christian.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not ashamed of my God.
I'm ashamed of being put in the same category with people like Rudy Giuliani and Jack Thompson.
Telling people about your passion for Christ is one thing. If they listen, awesome. If they don't, it's their choice.
FORCING your religion on ANYONE is downright intrusive and ignorant. - ShokDoktor, on 10/10/2007, -8/+151You can't have freedom of religion without freedom from religion.
- minoss, on 10/10/2007, -11/+82What about the term "christian extremists" is so hard to understand?
- OswaldKenobi, on 10/10/2007, -9/+78I agree with you, but let's make sure we highlight the correct word. Too many people will read you post as, "christians have become a treasonous cancer in the American fabric" The word to focus on is "extremists." Fundamentalists of any religion, non-religion, or political view are a cancer.
- Jakerius, on 10/10/2007, -8/+60Atheism has nothing to do with believing in evolution, you ignoramus. Atheism is about disbelieving in a theistic creator. We're digging you down for your ignorance, not because of our intolerance. Not only that, but relating atheists to Hitler is a ***** travesty.
- crichton101, on 10/10/2007, -11/+58hate to tell you but I have to choose between a christian fascist and an athiest fascist, I' think I will go for the latter, at least then I won't have to put up the looney babble about how some invisible diety made you better then me and made it okay for you to slaughter people. Hitler believed in God too.
- bunnybash, on 10/15/2007, -8/+51The article is quite different to the personal rants of people on this board.
Most anthropologists will tell you that Christianity has brought positives to civilizations too, yes there are negatives, but jeez, talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water.
People who go on mad rants about how Christianity has held back civilization are just as bad as religious extremists. Greed, self interest, hatred and self righteousness are what holds civilisation back, of which Jesus actually spoke against, so meh, blame religion if you want, but it is a really superficial reaction, go deeper and you will find the real causes hiding behind the mask of religion.
The religious hide behind their religion and you fall for it, blaming religion too, instead blame the individuals and their own motivations and selfishness... - zephc, on 10/10/2007, -5/+45@brokenspatula:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942) - str3ama, on 10/10/2007, -22/+59too late the people have have spoken and apparently they refuse to elect a president that does not believe in God. I hate to say it, but this entire planet is ruled by the religious. Everything comes down to whether you believe in God or not, it's political suicide to admit that you're an atheist.
- sirjimbob, on 10/10/2007, -6/+43"A Nation of Christians Is Not a Christian Nation"
BRAVO! - cmorwhat, on 10/10/2007, -9/+45I agree. My parents fell victim to a "Independent Fundamental Baptist Church" and it came damn close to brain washing them. My own mother told me I was going to burn in hell because I was pro-choice and Pro-gay marriage. In this nation, founded on open-mindedess. there is NO ROOM for any fundamentalism.
- danielcjtodd, on 10/15/2007, -3/+35I apologize for this self righteous outburst.
/rant
I'm so sick of hearing about bickering of religion this, religion that. If the WHOLE PLANET was any one single denominated religion or race, would we all get along without violence, crime, hatred, rape or murder? Of course not. Being a "religious" person does NOT make you a "good" person, otherwise there would be no religious criminals. Unlawful and immoral behavior occurs both within and without the Christian faith. (and any faith/ non faith)
So hypothetically..."Hey, Christian dude. the world has been to Christianity... now what?!"
We SHOULD be focusing on things that we all agree on and can actually IMPROVE right now. Better education, better standards of living, less debt, satiation, water, food, sustainable environment. These are things that I think EVERY person can agree on.
So stop reading article after article in digg (like I am guilty of) and think that clicking the "digg it" will make things better. Go do the small stuff to start making things a bit better.
Here are some REALLY easy things to do.
Put yourself on the no junkmail list
Go paperless with your bills
Recycle what you can
buy energy efficient from now on.
Put yourself on the no marketing call list
Cut up your credit card and just use the Debit card. (i.e, just the money you have)
donate your clothes and extra house junk to a charity (or maybe even a church, heaven forbid!)
Do you really need 300 channels that only play until 1am when they all become 'paid programming'? The 'extra' channels on your cable/dish tv could pay for child sponsorship.
What I'm trying to say is, instead of spending our days feeling oppressed and defensive about peoples various religions... just think what can I do that would help out. (and dint expect praise for it!)
/end rant - OUChevelleSS, on 10/10/2007, -10/+42You know, this article was very well written. It did not attack either religion or lack thereof, but put things into their true perspective. Leave it to the run-of-the-mill Digger to start with the 'religion is nonsense' comments without even reading the article. That too is ignorance.
- quaxon, on 10/10/2007, -10/+39"Believe it or not, the Bible predicted this and predicted a coming Atheistic view and those people would point at christians and say "Where is He now?" End of story [almost]."
So basically the people who wrote the biggest ***** con piece of literature in all of history not only had the brains back then to fool the masses, who were no smarter than the teenagers of today, but they also were able to figure out that, as humanity advances, a time would come when they would figure out that this book is ***** and call religion out all of its lies? yea man, that sure is something. - codmate, on 10/10/2007, -1/+28Secularism is alive and well in Western Europe.
- amsterdamordeth, on 10/10/2007, -2/+27Agreed 100%
- archimago42, on 10/10/2007, -2/+25Don't get too excited, your comment is just badly written and lacks a solid argument or point. You jump from saying that somehow a scientific theory is responsible for the Holocaust (genocide has been around a lot longer than evolution) to everyone keeping their mouths shut. If that is your stance maybe you shouldn't try to blame legitimate scientific theory for mankind's evils. The point of the article is simply that the USA has a long history of purposely trying to keep all religions from directly influencing governments and McCain directly attacked this basis with a bold faced lie. This is something people should be wary of religious or not.
Now, I am going to digg you down. - quaxon, on 10/10/2007, -15/+37exactly, and what i find most baffling is the fact that they all think their religion is the absolute truth and are positive all others are wrong. If you take a look at it from a rational stand-point (a term lost upon the religious), what religion you are only has to do with where you are born, it's pretty much a sperm lottery. If you are born in the middle east you are going to most likely be muslim, if you are born in America you are gonna be some denomination of christian, and if you're born in the Netherlands you will most likely be an atheist because you've evolved passed the phase of needing to worship some false deity to get you through your miserable life.
- mmazing, on 10/10/2007, -9/+31The saddest thing about you, is that you won't know you were wrong when you die.
- jkbowman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+19The press is as much to blame as the fundamental right. They consistently allow this comment to go unchallenged.
- minoss, on 10/10/2007, -5/+24No religion is based on love or pacifism. Religion is simply there to answer questions that cannot be answered any other way. It the interpretation of such religions that make it a religion of love or hate. Often times both for the same religion. For example, you can go in the Bible or the Koran and find examples of both love and hate. Some people chose to focus on 1 more than the other.
- purplegecko, on 10/10/2007, -2/+20Which ten? Jewish, Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant? Because they are different. This is because Exodus and Deuteronomy have different versions, and neither have ten - Exodus has 16!
Anyway, let's assume you mean Protestant for now, to answer your actual question:
"Thou shalt not make wrongful use of the name of thy God" and
"Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy"
Neither of these are followed for the benefit of all people.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm an atheist, but I agree that the majority of the ten commandments mirror our natural sense of morality. But to say that we need religion for morality is a falsehood - studies show that even a massive cross section of the globe, with multiple religions represented, even people form so called "backward" tribes in deepest, darkest Amazon, etc, have the same sense of morality when it comes to murdering, stealing, etc. - codmate, on 10/10/2007, -3/+21I'm not American - so I really don't understand why the founding fathers are so revered?
Shouldn't you be constantly questioning things - trying to better society and yourselves rather than worshiping documents written by people who were alive when it was still common belief that maggots came from rotting meat and mice appeared magically in old clothes?
Knowledge, technology and society move forward. Keep up guys.
We acknowledge people like Robert Walpole in Britain - but we don't worship them and think they could say or think no wrong, like you do with your guys. - mmazing, on 10/10/2007, -2/+18You are exactly right my good sir, and whoever dug you down has no comprehension of logic.
- crichton101, on 10/10/2007, -3/+19@brokenspatula
Read a history book moron. Lots of people who have committed atrocities through out the ages have claimed to be men of faith and used what ever religion they worshipped as a justification for their actions. You're the "***** idiot" if you don't think a Christian or someone who believes in God can be an evil or misguided person. Most of the racists and KKK members that were against the civil rights movement also believed in God. - CueBall909, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
-George Washington
Treaty of Tripoli, 1796 - acl123, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18You're wrong. Very very wrong.
- silveravnt, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20As a Christian I have to, unfortunately, agree with you. There are wachos on all sides and the Christian wachos have to much power. I fully believe in the Bible and the moral rules it gives us. I DO NOT believe in pushing my beliefs on anyone else (legislating morality).
- ShokDoktor, on 10/22/2007, -1/+16Talk about revisionism.
- geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -6/+20*Jazz-Hands* Tada, Godwin's Law in action!
- ICSU, on 10/10/2007, -8/+22The Bible wants you to be an extremist, just like any other organized religion.
- silveravnt, on 10/22/2007, -0/+14I feel the exact same way
- a Christian - HigherLogic, on 10/10/2007, -5/+19Ah, yes, "not true Christians." I love when that line is whipped out.
- crichton101, on 10/10/2007, -6/+20And science fiction writers have invariably predicted future technologies long before they were even remotely close to fruition. So really, the bible predicted nothing, it's writer had a good imagination.
- iamafatguy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15uh, yeah.
When the LORD your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites and the ***** and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you. And when the LORD your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them. (Deutronomy 7:1-2)
“When you approach a city to fight against it, you shall offer it terms of peace. If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you. However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. When the LORD your God gives it into your hand, you shall strike all the men in it with the edge of the sword. Only the women and the children and the animals and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall use the spoil of your enemies which the LORD your God has given you… Only in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes (Deuteronomy 20:10-17)
Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. (Numbers 31:17-18)
“I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence. (Luke 19:26-27)
"Do not think that I have come to send peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Matthew 10:34-35)
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)
"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)
Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18
“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).
yadayadayada
And that's just a smattering. Seems pretty extremist to me. - MiDri, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14Then our only hope is... RAPTURE!
- proseandpromise, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12I agree, and I'm a Christian (and a pastor, actually). I don't want my faith anywhere near the political offices or rulings of our nation, because I don't want the government messing with my faith anymore than I want my faith messing with the government.
In my mind both sides benefit greatly when they remain organizationally autonimous. - greenblob, on 10/10/2007, -4/+16Christianity is against the enforcement of its religion upon others. It clearly teaches that if the town you're evangelizing doesn't accept your message, you should leave and go to the next town. An intolerant Christian isn't really a Christian at all.
- Konstantino, on 10/10/2007, -8/+20When reading this, let's just remember that not every Christian is necessarily a Christian extremist.
- ShokDoktor, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14You are one deluded clown.
- geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -4/+16Godwin's law: as a discussion grows longer, the chances of a Nazi/Hitler-related reference/analogy goes to one. Explain to me how that *isn't* relevant here.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15There is only one true moral. Do not coerce others or their property. I see many of the ten commandments that don't fit this. Four of them are merely tips on venerating god, that is no use to people at all.
- purag66, on 05/13/2009, -0/+11Religion suppresses free thinking and expression of Ideas.
Copernicus, Galileo, Huguenots... um... do I have to really continue? - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -6/+17"The only acknowledgment of religion in the original Constitution is a utilitarian one: the document is dated “in the year of our Lord 1787.” Even the religion clause of the First Amendment is framed dryly and without reference to any particular faith. The Connecticut ratifying convention debated rewriting the preamble to take note of God’s authority, but the effort failed.
A pseudonymous opponent of the Connecticut proposal had some fun with the notion of a deity who would, in a sense, be checking the index for his name: “A low mind may imagine that God, like a foolish old man, will think himself slighted and dishonored if he is not complimented with a seat or a prologue of recognition in the Constitution.” Instead, the framers, the opponent wrote in The American Mercury, “come to us in the plain language of common sense and propose to our understanding a system of government as the invention of mere human wisdom; no deity comes down to dictate it, not a God appears in a dream to propose any part of it.”"
Sigh... If only it were so. Technology has surpassed societal evolution at too great a pace, I fear. - missingnoh4x, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Read a history textbook, why don't you?
- codmate, on 10/10/2007, -4/+15The Bible also predicted that the world would end about 2000 years ago.
Check Revelation - it makes it sound as though the 'end of times' is coming almost immediatly.
Still here aren't we though?
The Bible's record on prophecy makes for some hilarious reading:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html - sputnikv, on 10/10/2007, -22/+32ignorance overwhelms the mind
- Leomarth, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12Hey, this is a Coke nation because the majority of America are Coke drinkers! This is also a Toyota nation because the majority of people drive Toyotas!
(ps - I don't know if those are true; I made them up. But it demonstrates the idea that we aren't officially *anything* just because the majority are something) - ShokDoktor, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13I don't believe logic comes with the religionist show bag.
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