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- thejimmyo, on 03/11/2009, -2/+56You can read the full report here:
http://www.reformthepatriotact.org/
http://www.aclu.org/pdfs/safefree/patriot_report_2 ... - inactive, on 03/11/2009, -9/+55I try like hell to distance myself from conspiracy theories for obvious reasons, but the more this kind of information is revealed and comprehensively delivered to the American people, the more I almost feel like Bush and Cheney either allowed or wanted (both?) 9/11 to happen so they could further their Stalinist agenda. I don't like to throw around terms like "Stalinist" either, but if the shoe fits...
"The term implies an inherently oppressive system of extensive government spying, extrajudicial punishment, and political "purging", or elimination of political opponents either by direct killing or through exile, and it involves a state using extensive use of propaganda to establish a personality cult around an absolute dictator to maintain control over the nation's people and to maintain political control." - novenator, on 03/12/2009, -4/+41The 'Patriot Act' was the most unconstitutional piece of legislation ever passed imho. Scary to think that it takes 1 disaster to scare Americans enough into supporting having their rights taken away.
- CaptOblivious, on 03/12/2009, -4/+27QuestionQQQQ,
So truth and equal justice for all HURTS America?
***** you, go live somewhere else you useless self centered piece of *****. - novenator, on 03/12/2009, -2/+24The more we find out about the scope of the domestic espionage done during this time, the more outraged I become.
The second link in the article is dead, but the first one is working fine. It directs you to: http://www.reformthepatriotact.org/ - Skywise, on 03/12/2009, -1/+22STILL waiting for Obama and Pelosi and Reid and the rest of the Democrat controlled government to repeal this act.
After all, they promised to do that when elected. Right? But they couldn't do it in 2006 because Bush would veto it and they just didn't quite have the majority they needed...
Well... they do NOW. - neognostic, on 03/11/2009, -7/+23Considering that the Bush administration did absolutely nothing correctly, there is no way in hell they could have masterminded 9/11.
- JenniferInMO, on 03/12/2009, -3/+17You have no ***** idea what you are talking about. Read the damned report. Hell, read the summary. Your uninformed comment is a cheer for Fascism, you moron.
- JenniferInMO, on 03/12/2009, -4/+17@Question: Your ignorance is astonishing. The ACLU isn't trying to "free terrorists." They are fighting for the rule of law, for every person to be given due process -- you know, bring charges against these people and prosecute them or let them go. Or are you okay with innocent people being thrown in with the bad guys, tortured and treated like animals indefinitely?
Let me put it into simple words you might understand: If you are against our Civil Liberties (i.e. you know, our freedoms provided in our Constitution) then you are for Fascism. The ACLU is one of the few organization which fought for our freedoms while tyranny ripped our Constitution into pieces.
Why don't you read this report? Why must you people hate whoever hate radio tells you to hate? Think for yourself, because you talking points are a call for fascism, tyranny and oppression. - enantiodromia, on 03/12/2009, -2/+14obvious troll is obvious
- JenniferInMO, on 03/12/2009, -3/+15Sooo, you are a Fascist?
Because, if you read the report you would be sending the ACLU a donation. Most of us just dodged a freaking bullet. I hope our current President can piece together our Bill of Rights into some semblance of its former self. - thejimmyo, on 03/11/2009, -7/+17I think that you're going a bit too far here. Unless and until there is any evidence that they willfully "allowed" or "wanted . . . 9/11 to happen," I wouldn't say that at all. What we have here are horrible decisions made in response to a legitimate threat, and brutal policies being implemented in completely wrongheaded ways. If anything, I'd go back to Justice Louis Brandeis to explain what is going on here: "The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." Olmstead v. United States.
- shupy, on 03/11/2009, -5/+14I have to agree with that. They are just not smart enough to pull off something that big.
But that doesn't mean they wouldn't be willing to stand by and let it happen. - JenniferInMO, on 03/12/2009, -3/+11"Why would you want idiots like the ACLU to ruin America and give all the rights to the criminals. The ACLU is trying to close the terrorist prisons. Why would you support an organization that is trying to free terrorist?"
I thought your other response couldn't be more ignorant. Your comments against the ACLU, your failure to understand the truth and your obvious reliance on hate radio and Faux News have turned you into a robot. You don't even see that you support fascism, tyranny and oppression. Please, read something credible. Turn off the radio and the TV and inform yourself. - gonzap1, on 03/12/2009, -0/+8I am fiscally conservative (applies to govt) and socially liberally= freedom for all
The patriot act was unconstiutional and should be repealed now!
Ricemanstm,
You obviously know nothing about individual liberty. You may hate the ideas but liberty is for all and people deserve to have their rights defended and not encroached by the alphabet police. - JenniferInMO, on 03/12/2009, -5/+13Some people are still running around thinking there is a tarrah-ist in their back yard. Too many people in this country can be scared into hate and war chants by watching Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity.
- trolleyfan, on 03/12/2009, -5/+13"I try like hell to distance myself from conspiracy theories for obvious reasons, but the more this kind of information is revealed and comprehensively delivered to the American people, the more I almost feel like Bush and Cheney either allowed or wanted (both?) 9/11 to happen so they could further their Stalinist agenda"
On the other hand, "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity."
...and Neocons are stupid. - emmeron, on 03/12/2009, -0/+8The only thing that makes me more sad is that Obama has backed the warrantless wire tapping and has said it must continue. We must keep pressure on him to follow up and make the changes we've been so desperate for.
- CoD4, on 03/12/2009, -8/+15I wonder why the republican trolls who were commenting on the China auto sales story haven't showed up here
- ApokalypseNow, on 03/12/2009, -0/+7The only way I would support the warrantless wire tapping would be if they had to go get the retroactive warrant using the pre-existing information and probable cause... you know, like the FISA rules said they had to before this whole debacle?
- inactive, on 03/13/2009, -0/+7Busted: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA
How to exercise your constitutional rights during encounters with police. - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 03/12/2009, -2/+9Don't call people who are smarter and better educated than you on these matters fools.
The bottom line is they took advantage of the catastrophe, but did not allow it to happen.
Read THE SHOCK DOCTRINE if you want to know more about this. You'll learn a lot more than you will by buying into ridiculous conspiracy theories put out by people who stopped taking their meds. - Dipsomaniac, on 03/12/2009, -1/+7Urg. The towers did not go down at "free fall" speed. Even a cursory examination of video shows that. It would be interesting to see you produce a cite from the NIST that says what you claim.
And comparing a building on fire to a building that was extensively damaged by falling debris as well as on fire is disingenuous and dishonest. - paintgrl, on 03/12/2009, -2/+7I personally have had the ACLU help my family when I was a little girl, so I know they do good work, not that I agree with everything they do, but overall I give them an A. This is just another example of the dedication of the people who work at the ACLU working to keep America a republic and not a fascist state.
- Dipsomaniac, on 03/12/2009, -2/+6Ummm....yes, it does.
The agenda is defending civil liberties. Did you miss that part of the name? - inactive, on 03/12/2009, -0/+4Well stated, when the masses are infighting, everything can be made legal.
- Dipsomaniac, on 03/12/2009, -1/+5Except for cases like these: http://www.aclu.org/religion/govtfunding/26526res2 ...
Or this: http://www.aclu-nj.org/news/aclunjwinsrepublicanca ...
Or these: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940 ...
Seriously, don't reply. You don't want to look dumber. - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 03/12/2009, -5/+9No, they haven't. The EXPERTS have told us exactly what happened. A few nutters who are off their medication have told us their crackpot theories.
I can refute EVERY retarded "truther" argument, and so can you by just googling the answers. - Demand911Truth, on 03/13/2009, -2/+6I'm glad I can count on the ACLU to be leaders in the struggle for civil rights.
- ApokalypseNow, on 03/13/2009, -0/+4@emmeron
The thing with the retroactive warrants is that they can only be issued by taking into account the documented a priori knowledge - even if they overhear a terrorist plot after tapping the wire, if the judge decides that the knowledge they had prior to the tap was insufficient to issue a warrant, the arrest/conviction gets thrown out. Given those conditions and the proper oversight, I don't have a huge problem as long as the rules are followed. - jmac9, on 03/13/2009, -1/+4 Republicans destroyed America.
The disaster in economy, international torture policies, illegal wiretaps...all Republican crap.
Dems tried to pass legislation to track where your tax money was going in Iraq --Republicans voted it down.
The unPatriot act was jammed through with fear, threats, lies about Iraq, and --- spineless media and dems who bowed the fear of public polling.
The Bush-Cheney war criminals show you what happens when Republicans rule government -- this disaster is the result of their views on the world and government.
Republicans are against you --- they are for corporate profits - at any price. - ApokalypseNow, on 03/13/2009, -0/+3@Mnem
Like I said, they can only be issued using the a priori knowledge. The ends cannot be used to justify the means, that's not how our legal system works. - emmeron, on 03/12/2009, -0/+3It's strange how people only want to see good and evil as absolute when Death and Taxes are the only things we can be sure of. I blame intellectual laziness. Rather than think about _why_ something is bad -- in principle, not just the instant cause/effect, people take sides. Then they let faith in the side they chose guide them.
Bush fans will always say "f the ACLU those commie pinko bastards," Obama fans will say "give him a break, he's got so much of Bush's ***** to clean up..." But neither want to look past the glossy deceit: they're doing exactly what they want to do. - Mnementh2230, on 03/13/2009, -0/+3@Apok
I tend to agree. In the interest of national security, some things must be moved upon very quickly, but procedure must still be followed to prevent abuse. So long as they do in the end receive their warrant using the same evidence they would have had to use had they the time to go through all the proper channels, it makes perfect sense to allow these types of wire taps. - inactive, on 03/12/2009, -4/+7Should have posted this little item directly from the "article":
"“The fallout we’ve seen from the Patriot Act being rushed through the legislative process is a dramatic example of the dire need for proper and deliberative congressional oversight"
Hmmm...I seem to remember this happening with the last couple of "stimulus" bills...but since Obama and cronies did it, that makes it okay. - EarlOfLade, on 03/12/2009, -3/+5Wow, talk about idiot. All the cases ACLU takes on are available on their web site including the results. It is not my fault that you are listening to right wing radio clowns who have no clue about facts. Go and get the facts you stupid right wing imbecile!
- inactive, on 03/12/2009, -3/+5Wow, this is just too much to even grasp for me.I usually get annoyed by 9/11 "truthers" but this is completely different. I really hope somewhere down the line we'll have all the answers to all this and just another JFK type conspiracy that will always remain shady.
- dt07, on 03/14/2009, -0/+2The left-right paradigm is false. Both sides are controlled by the one-world, one-bank club. Wake up asap.
- emmeron, on 03/12/2009, -0/+2Retroactive warrants should be banned completely: they allow for a precedent to be set for "catching first, asking if it's okay later."
"He's guilty, proven. Now can we have caught him?" - EarlOfLade, on 03/12/2009, -3/+5Radicals like religious extremists, stormfront, aryan nation, and other right wing groups who have benefited from ACLU representing them in courts?
Or are you just an ignorant right wing moron who think ACLU only support the left? Dumb-*****-ass! Go and educate your stupid inbred hick brain! - EarlOfLade, on 03/12/2009, -1/+3The problem when you start looking at the more seedy sides of 9/11, you get comments from nutcases like Sheasie.
If there were any form of "conspiracy" it would have been more on the level of seeing the benefits of a successful attack for the policies they wanted to implement, both domestic and abroad and based on these ideas, willfully ignored warning signs and bet on the attack not ending up as the huge disasters they actually ended up being. It might have been a grand misjudgment of the end result.
But it's a steep hill to climb from this level of conspiracy to the crazy level of the truthers. - thejimmyo, on 03/12/2009, -0/+2They were opposed to this from the start, and helped to get parts of it declared unconstitutional. Where have you been?
- CaptOblivious, on 03/12/2009, -0/+2Ricemanstm,
I was going to try to explain the concept of equal rights for all and the importance of groups like the ACLU but after looking at your posting history, I have decided that you are just being willfully stupid and you're not worth the effort. - gkiltz, on 03/12/2009, -1/+3Patriot Act Abuses?
Sounds redundant!
or at least verbose! - joeditto, on 03/12/2009, -6/+8@JenniferInMO
You go Girl!
I've had the pleasure of following your comments for several weeks and notice that you are well informed...you say it like it IS.....impressive!!!!!!
Keep up the good work. - novenator, on 03/14/2009, -1/+2why, because they stand up for the rights of all Americans. Is it the bill of rights you have a problem with or do you just love domestic espionage>?
- wbradleyjr1, on 11/27/2009, -0/+1Welcome to Fascist America, the ruling Corporatocracy (aka Military Industrial Complex) owns the government and the media and pulls all the strings behind the scenes. Our two headed one party system merely gives the illusion of difference, the illusion of choice. There is only one party, the Corporate party.
- mparker21311, on 03/12/2009, -1/+2Think of all the future leaders who've learned how easy it is to take our rights away. If America doesn't turn around soon, I fear the worst.
The "terrorists" have won. - deema1, on 03/12/2009, -1/+2I'm surprised that you are always wrong.
The ACLU is an organization designed to both practice and spread the doctrines of Cloward-Piven, under the guise that they are standing up for civil liberties. They're actually a front for a socialist cause, recruiting people under false pretenses in an effort to bog the establishment down and undermine the economy so that there is no class distinction. It's no different than what groups like ACORN are doing. It's a desire to bring about equality by destroying the system. - inactive, on 03/12/2009, -2/+3Yeah, I must be a racist. Because I dare question the man's ability I'm a racist. And so is anybody who dares question his policies. You sir a sad example of a human being.
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