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- reeder, on 10/12/2007, -13/+156@PATSCRU
Dude, I'm not a giant Ron Paul supporter, but Digg isn't yours. Bury it if you hate it, but allowing corporate interests to shape a campaign has gotten us where we are now: Eating a big ***** sandwich, all of us taking a big bite. - blapierre, on 10/12/2007, -5/+109Reading many of the comments I get the impression that some people don't understand what is going on here.
Yesterday afternoon ABC posted this article saying that the support for Ron Paul that was seen in the online polls was fake. ABC allows users to comment on articles and all of the comments to this article were critical of ABC's analysis of "The Ron Paul Effect". When I read through the 100 or so comments that were there at the time I did not see one comment that was spam. Most of the comments were well reasoned and well put reactions to ABC's article, however ALL of the comments were disputing ABC's take on the situation.
When I came back about 30 minutes later to read new comments I noticed that the number of comments was less than when I read them the first time. I then made my own comments saying that ABC was removing comments. That comment was deleted within about five minutes of posting and so I made a second comment saying that it was disgusting that ABC was censoring us when we were not violating any of their terms of service, but just because we were being critical of their analysis.
That is when I first posted my submission to Digg that made the front page last night. Then they were only removing some of the comments to the article. However when I checked back today I was surprised to find that ABC had removed EVERY SINGLE comment that had been made to the article. Since this story hit Digg there has been some spam, however most of it has not been. The disturbing thing here is that ABC has removed ALL of the legitimate comments to their article. I have no problem with them removing spam, but I do have a problem with them removing legitimate criticism (which is what most of the comments were) if they are going to call themselves a credible news organization.
Yes, they have every right to remove whatever they want, but if they want maintain any semblance of credibility as a news organizations they cannot delete legitimate comments just because those comments are critical of them. - blapierre, on 10/12/2007, -9/+104When I checked last night there was about 300 comments on their article. Now there are only about 20 articles and they were all made since 4:35PM this afternoon. ABC has some balls.
- ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -10/+99DHS
what do you recomend? that we do not stand up for who we believe in just because they are not the favorite???
how about insted of blasting us for trying and offering nothing, GIVE US ideas on what to do to get it the way it should be. FAIR FOR ALL!
but no you will just spout out the fact that ron paul is spamming DIGG
DID You ever think that the people here like him??? i never knew who he was a month ago and as of the last week ive written every major newspaper/network who is supressing them.
The fact is the election is over a year away, NOW is the time for the ron pauls and mike gravels get their time. as it gets closer if they are still low in the polls THAN its time to jump ship but NOW IS the time for this type of behavior - ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -4/+70screenshots from last night and today
http://pmalloy.blogspot.com/2007/05/abc-news-activly-censoring-users.html (no ads)
you cannot even leave a comment at the moment - NOgiuliani, on 10/12/2007, -5/+70ABC is not trying to update anything. They need to be boycotted, send them letters, call them let them know Censorship is not for America, If they want to sensor news, there is room for them to move to China.
- Chetan7, on 10/12/2007, -7/+68boycott ABC!!!
- tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -2/+61I think the most effective thing to do is go to one of ABC's competitors with this story about how ABC has been censoring Ron Paul and his supporters. I'm sure they'd love to break this story.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+66WTF are they thinking? This only makes us stronger!
- spacebetween, on 10/12/2007, -12/+63@PATSCRU
I'd be interested to know what political activism entails, according to you.
If you don't like something on Digg, then digg it down. But, since these stories are getting to the top, there is something more than just savvy users. - eangel, on 10/12/2007, -10/+60I am not a big fan of all the ron paul spam on digg, but ABC is ridiculous. We should post comments in every possible place on ABC's site telling them not to censor. If we flood the whole site they will either have to acknowledge or remove the possibility to comment on ANY article.
- Groovemaster, on 10/12/2007, -5/+52Asking the mainstream media not to push an elitist agenda is like asking a garbageman not to move garbage.
It's what they do......... It's all they do. - ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -6/+53untill we get some answers i agree
yahoo is working on updating their stuff let ABC do the same
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Diane Sawyer diane.sawyer@abc.com - Racerx52, on 10/12/2007, -4/+50More censorship battles, onward toward the good fight!
- strOphe, on 10/12/2007, -4/+47The upsetting thing is that many of the comments were legitimate criticisms of the article or insightful questions into the discussions of Ron Paul's policy and campaigning.
I can understand them deleting posts tying them to the Nazi party (what does that have to do with the article?) but deleting genuine discussion is frankly censorship of their website. If they are going to delete people raising their voices about the article, they shouldn't call themselves a news site. Period.
I posted two different comments on there, neither of them bashing ABC but simply raising questions about the article and all of those have been removed with this whitewashing. ABC is disgraceful. - WilliamDavis, on 10/12/2007, -8/+48LOL.
Digg community no longer busy with "the code."
ABC - You're in deep *****.
News at 11.
(btw, I'm a Ron Paul supporter... I'm just laughing at how completely ***** crazy this might get.) - gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -4/+43I used to respect ABC as a news agency in favor of the public.
They can burn in hell now. I don't plan on watching them for news ever again. BBC America is all I'm down to. - bracersofint, on 10/12/2007, -10/+46viva la digg revolution!
- eangel, on 10/12/2007, -4/+39Just pick any article on ABC's site and post something to the effect of:
Myself and many other people have been censored for mentioning Ron Paul in their comments. ABC has deleted these comments despite the fact that ABC's terms of service have not been violated. ABC is Another Bully Censor and I will not let this stand.
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/ABC_Now_Removes_ALL_Posts_From_Ron_Paul_Story - spacebetween, on 10/12/2007, -7/+40I respect your opinion. And, respectfully, I disagree.
Thank you for being civil, though, unlike others who have been immature and demeaning. - dave11980, on 10/12/2007, -12/+43Funny, I thought Digg had a democratic way of promoting stories. If more people digg it than bury it then the article goes up. Obviously since these stories get to the front page so often the digg community voted and they like Ron Paul.
- JWav3, on 10/12/2007, -6/+36There were 360 today.. including these that I coppied.
Stop deleting my posts you censoring cowards. I am calling these numbers... everyone should do the same ABC ABC News Headquarters Address 147 Columbus Ave New York, NY 10023 Tel 212-456-1000 (DC Bureau 202-222-7777) Fax 212-456-5962 Letters comments@abcnews.go.com ABC News Washington Bureau Address 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington DC 20036 Tel 202-222-7300 Fax 202-222-7684 DC Bureau Chief Robin Sproul robin.sproul@abc.com 202-222-7200 World News Tonight with Peter Jennings Tel 212-456-4040 Fax 212-456-2795 Letters netaudr@abc.com Anchor Peter Jennings peter.jennings@abc.com 212-456-4025 Executive Producer Paul Friedman paul.friedman@abc.com
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sensmiiia 1:06 PM
This video message has got censored 9 times straight people. ABC is freaked out. Please copy the link immediately and spread it around. It is a MSM style massive public consumption video of Ron Paul that will grab attention, yet it does not sacrifice any substance of Ron Paul's message: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgjI_WROg6w Message to the ABC staff who are delting my post over and over again? What are you scared of? Truth? Also, dozens of other messages are disappearing as I write this message.
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think_vote_win 1:06 PM
ABC deleted my comment about ABC shareholders Chase Manhattan Bank and their ties with WWII Nazi/Trading with the Enemy crimes committed by American Corporate war profiteers with regards to ABC's disingenuity regarding their patently false and wholly insulting reporting of Ron Paul's supporter(s). The idea that there is only one of us who keeps voting in these post-debate polls just demonstrates the mainstream media's censorship is a product of corrupt corporate fascism to keep the American people from discovering just how dirty and evil they really are. This Democrat fully intends to re-register to vote as a Republican so that I can cast my vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. Take THAT, ABC corporate shills.
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ednasilem 1:13 PM - grazie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+30"Ron Paul's objectives are tantamount to a revolution in the way government is run. Anyone who wants to change the system that drastically is not going to win the election, period."
That is one of the most undemocratic things I've ever heard in my life.
Who are the media to decide who has a chance of winning or not? Who are the media to decide who's views are credible or worthwhile?
I live in Australia. I'm disgusted with the way the media dictates our elections. But I'm even more disgusted with the fact that the US system has candidates who are deliberately marginalised and sometimes left out entirely at the discretion of the mainstream media. That is undemocratic and should be stopped. You guys have debates that are held by mainstream media who run advertisements on them and seek to stop the free and widespread dissemination of them to the public under creative commons licenses. Wake the ***** up!!! Democracy is an agent of the people. All efforts should be made to ensure all candidates receive equal media time and that anything that contributes to informing the public and creating a stronger democracy should be freely available for everyone to view, download, cut up, analyse etc etc as they see fit. Democracy is for the people, not to line the coffers of media conglomerates. If they want to make money they can stick to stories on Anna Nicole smith and Britney Spears.
I'm not a Ron Paul supporter. But how DARE the ABC seek to silence his voice and minimise his ability to reach the public. As American citizens you should be close to revolting at the sheer audacity and blatant arrogance of the ABC in its attempts to subvert democracy.
The spam is another issue. They obviously had valid reasons for removing most of that. - jchanc04, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29I just sent this into the BBC. They gave coverage to the HD-DVD so maybe international is the way to go:
After running the story about the HD-DVD Key (which I applaud) I was hoping that you might take interest in another story developing over here in the United States.
I am very concerned about the media blackout concerning Republican Presidential Candidate Ron Paul in American News. Ron Paul received the most votes on an MSNBC poll after the Republican Debate.
While most stations simply ignore him by leaving him off of polls, ABC News has recently engaged in blatant censorship of commentary on an article found here. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/comments?&id=3147940
Over 300 comments expressing support of Paul or criticizing the censorship have been deleted despite no violations in the Terms of Service. The news organizations are trying to brush this off as fanatical supporters voting in polls multiple times when these polls have provisions in place to prevent double voting.
Articles about this incident are posted on Digg.com
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/ABC_Now_Removes_ALL_Posts_From_Ron_Paul_Story
This is not limited to ABC. Its happened at Yahoo http://digg.com/politics/Yahoo_Answers_Why_is_Ron_Paul_being_excluded_from_Yahoo_s_Full_Coverage
Please look into why these major news outlets are neglecting a very influential candidate.
Thank you for your time.
James Chancellor
**Email Removed**** - bluesage999, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32Its not about Ron Paul being popular or not you ***** moron. It's about ABC blatantly censoring him.
- resta6, on 01/12/2009, -5/+30why are you guys contacting ABC? Contact OTHER news stations, don't you think some of the other news stations would LOVE to discredit ABC news as biased? FOX, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN etc. Hell even contact newspapers.
Because it'll do two things: 1) Get those reporters to actually see what the guy is for when they research the topic and 2) Get free coverage for Ron Paul.
And to make it even more helpful, WRITE the actual article on the topic. That way the guys in the newsroom, only have to check your facts, instead of just researching the whole thing - WilliamDavis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23""HEY ABC WHY ARE YOU LEAVING RON PAUL OUT OF THE POLL YOU TRUTH HATERS"
or something like that, your first instinct is to delete that comment."
Actually, my first instinct would be to see if I left Ron Paul out of the poll, and then fix it.
No, they aren't out to get him. They're actually out to get us.
Yes, candidates have been marginalized forever. Candidates have been propped up forever. People never had the ability to communicate like we do now. Instead, we were victims of communication instead of participants.
Things are changing... and the establishment isn't prepared for the change. They'll deal with it in time, but they aren't really sure how to do it right now. - Traedortious, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22To some degree, Digg should be relentless. The behavior by ABC is ridiculous. If this censorship happens on their website, what happens in their news? I agree, they have the right to censor their website, but they are a news company. A news company should be unbiased. If a candidate has alot of support, they shouldn't be working to hide that. What is really going to hold back Digg's efforts in ending this behavior is the behavior of some of the posters. Please post respectable statements/arguments. I see alot of ridiculous posts on ABC. We could push an argument if it was well articulated. Quit with the mickey mouse crap.
- ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22for the last time THIS IS NOT MSNBC this is ABC!!!
- Franey97, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22I just informed the Toronto Star of the story. And you know what, they might even put something out considering its Canadian coverage.
I hope they and others do for those of you being censored in the US.
Heres hoping guys! - iTorrey, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22As I said in another thread, this is NOT about Ron Paul. This is about the big media hijacking our democratic process!
How is it that we've allowed the media to dictate to the people who can and can't be president? Who are they to tell us who can and can't win? Who are they to leave out a 10 term congressman from their polls and delete comments by the supporters?
We can't let our process continue to be hijacked by the media. We can't let it stand. They are supposed to REPORT the news, not shape the news. - craigyjack, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22@bigdavediode
Ah, but you don't get it at all. The point is to not have the government interfere, and let the people and market take care of it, and that is what is happening. The corporation can do whatever they want, but guess who the costomers are, us, and we can respond to their actions. Your so-called "whining" is an essential part of the free market, it is the response of the consumers. And in this case, we did not like how ABC censored this, so we, as the audience of this corporation, acted in response (without government sanction/interference (woah, no way, people can do things without government? /sarcasm)). Take another look at your philosophy mate. - bobpaul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Write a short note about your disgust that ABC removed the articles and is failing to give as much support to him as the other candidates.
Fill in your full name, address, and phone number so they know you aren't someone "voting multiple times"
http://abc.go.com/site/contactus.html - Lowry, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22msnbc is just as bad
Ron Paul wins MSNBC's own poll, yet they dont even have a profile page for him and then they declare Romney the Conservative winner on their internet site where all their internet readers just voted Dr. Paul the most positive...
http://www.stateofbrain.com/images/rpmsnbc1.gif - Stonedonkey, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22Look at the corporate boys scrambling to do damage control on their ***** up coverage.
- metrodextrous, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19I called the number just now and got a person. She suggested I post my complaint on ABC.com and I told her I couldn't because they'd blocked my account from posting comments because I posted a comment saying I support Ron Paul. I told her "we're not going to stand for it" and hung up.
- spacebetween, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20I specifically remember reading all comments up to about the third page (on which my comment was originally posted, before the mass deletion), and there were absolutely no "spam-like" comments. None. The majority that I had read were legitimate. They did not contradict the terms of use provided by ABC.
Perhaps after a point, comments appeared as you described them.
Besides, this is not exclusive to Digg. I know and have been to other groups on the internet that are reporting the same thing.
Ron Paul's views are NOT revolutionary! Maybe they were back in 1776, but unfortunately, the current status-quo were revolutionary ideas ten years ago (read about neo-conservatism)! The public is being forced to accept views and view them as normalcy as a result of the corrupt administration in power now. - Lowry, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19another image from may 5th: http://x012.uploaderx.net/x/080507paul2.jpg
- blitzman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17"2) You can make your own legal currency!"
Actually, you can, and people use private currency all the time. Some examples:
1) checks
2) money orders
3) bearer bonds
4) credit cards
5) coupons
6) store credit receipts
7) tokens
8) debit cards
9) traveller's checks
10) cashier's checks
11) IOU's
What a check is not is "legal tender", but it certainly is private money, and is quite legal to write, print, and pass. I'd even venture to say our economy and banking system would collapse overnight if private money was outlawed. - spacebetween, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20Yep. I was hired by the Ron Paul campaign. Got me.
Now I'll be out of a job. Shame on you for exposing the truth about me! - AgentAce, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Welcome to the world of the real.
- ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14dont get me wrong ive called each number that i posted at the top of this thread and i got through to a few people, some of them were annoyed a few were nice and 1 even told me he was very upset with his boss because now he has to deal with this
its a start but do not let up! - tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15With all due respect, you're wrong. I actually saw the comments last night, and they were completely acceptable, if a bit critical of ABC's biased article.
- fearcomplicatio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14I just donated to the Ron Paul presidential campaign, not because I think he can win, but because this election gives him an outlet to explain to the American people the ideas of freedom and liberty. Of course I want him to win, but donating to keep him in the debates, keep him in the media, and keep his message in the public eye is worth every penny.
- viviwanu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15I tried again to leave a comment but wasn't allowed to do so. I think ABC intentionally blocked me for my last negative comment. So I'll just leave it here.
ABC, how dare you to assume that the support for Ron Paul on the Internet was fake! Did you think all the comments that made your head spin fake too? Were you so scared by the power of the people who can actually think for themselves that you had to pull their comments? Shame on you and your FAKE news! - grendelboogie, on 10/12/2007, -32/+45Maybe ABC News is as bored and annoyed by all the Ron Paul spam as we are on Digg.
I agree that censorship is bad, but you guys are so relentless with these stories, that it's becoming a joke.
I think fewer and higher quality posts on Ron Paul might be of better service to his campaign.
This is solely my opinion. - bluesage999, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14ABC shows their blatant censorship
- bardamuclichy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13You are speculating here. I don't think it's unusual for anyone(who is voting republican) that has heard of Ron Paul and to know his stances on things to think very favorably of him. He was a topic of discussion with my neighbors who are very conservative. That's all I have to say.
- tehbored, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Dear God. Would they really stoop this low? Apparently. They must be ***** terrified of him if they are willing to go this far. They know what will happen if he wins, and they're shaking in their boots. This only gives people more reason to vote for him. As long as enough Americans find out about him, he WILL win.
- lhnz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15This is great and I wholly support it, however if you really wish to elect Ron Paul as president in 2008 you will need to make your efforts much more visible.
Posting on the internet will not get you anywhere as you need control of the airwaves. You need to phone local radio stations, and put ads in the paper, posters up etc....
You need to push this right into the public eye, as otherwise the majority of people will just vote for whoever is shoved down their throat by ABC etc... -
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