What is Digg?360 Comments
- blapierre, on 10/12/2007, -7/+164What a surprise, my second post explaining what was going on and stating that I was not violating any of their terms has been removed in the time it took me to submit this to Digg.
- Diggtatorship, on 10/12/2007, -10/+132Looks like Digg is becomming quite the trend-setter isn't it?
I, for one, welcome our new critic-squashing censorship overlords. - jcact, on 10/12/2007, -1/+116Digg anti censorship force mobilize!
- blapierre, on 10/12/2007, -5/+110Just watch the total post count. When I first saw the article there were about 105 posts. I checked back on the article about 30 minutes later and the count was down to 85. It was then that I made a post pointing out that ABC was deleting posts. My post was quickly deleted. I then made another post criticizing them for censoring us. That post was deleted and that I why I submitted this to Digg. Since then I have made one more post warning people that the board was being actively censored and linking to this Digg submission. That post is also now gone. Other people have had their posts removed as well. Unfortunately I don't have any pictures to back up my claims as I did not expect my posts to be removed. However if you watch the post count you will see that it is going up and down and posts are being removed.
- bethlagarrison, on 10/12/2007, -10/+99Please let this hit the front page. I want to see how ABC deals with thousands of comments at once.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+97TAKE SCREENSHOTS PEOPLE TO PROVE IT.
Seriously, this is something you want to be able to prove.
Thank goodness we store our stuff on our own harddrives and not on network servers, or these screenshots you take would also dissappear.
See how close we are to 1984? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+59ABC != MSNBC... though they both try and censor Ron Paul and his supporters.
- Lowry, on 10/12/2007, -4/+56http://x011.uploaderx.net/x/abcdeletedcomments.gif
You won't find any of those comments at the url pictured in that photo either with those timestamps.
Never mind they deleted that url... - Burritoking924, on 10/12/2007, -6/+56Do we need another internet riot to bring them down to earth?
- kolanos, on 10/12/2007, -7/+55So ABC News telling us who is a legitimate candidate and who isn't makes us self-righteous? Thanks for clearing that up.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+52it is abc's duty to remain a moral neutral standpoint.
in not addressing this problem, and simply deleting these posts, they have lost credibility and the author has truly revealed a deeper corruption at hand. people in the world are dying and they are silencing us.
all the naysayers have never felt the cruelty of being unequal or the sadness of witnessing a whole nation's downfall.
for the love of changing the world into a better place, suck it up and participate in this revolution! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+51[x] - Ron Paul
[ ] - Libertarianism
[ ] - Bush Bashing
[ ] - 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
[x] - censorship
[x] - big media
[ ] - Jack Thompson
[ ] - apple
[ ] - ubuntu
[ ] - atheism
[ ] - Marijuana
[ ] - Geek Squad
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Try harder next time. - scispaz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+46They also claim to be news organization that isn't biased. I think that is more of the issue at hand.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+52Wow it's great to see Digg becoming a useful tool for speech and exercising our freedoms. Amazing that we can spread the word about this so quickly. Here's a beer to digg!
- ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -1/+41IM not sure which nuymbers are dated and which ones are not but give them a call!
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Diane Sawyer diane.sawyer@abc.com - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+46you sound like you work for ABC
- MalDON, on 10/12/2007, -4/+42I am not a fan of Ron Paul, but this is still not cool.
- moogle516, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37""EMAIL IT TO YOUR LOCAL NEWSPAPER, I DONT THINK MOST OF THEM ARE CONTROLLED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA""
You're wrong 95% of them are owned by mainstream media, - callistostg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37By that logic, why even give users the option of commenting if you can't handle the possibility of opinions that don't mesh with your own?
- Toshibi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+36Plato, I completely agree with you that it is their property, just as Digg is someone else's property as well.
The problem arises when, as a news source, it decides to leave out information or to censor the opinions of others. It's no longer reporting the news at that point, but managing information. I have a problem with any entity that would choose to stop the free flow of ideas or information, be they government, corporate, or religious.
'Who controls the past', ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' - 1984 - EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+36No, really, it's their web site. We're all about our freedom, but they have the freedom to do as they choose as well. It amazes me how selective Digg can be about freedom, but it doesn't work well when you pick and choose where it applies.
Just because they have the right to do it doesn't mean we can't complain vocally and take our business elsewhere, however. That's another freedom. - GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -7/+37Diggers diggers diggers...why do I get the feeling posts were deleted because we're a bunch of *****? Rather than say things like "STOP DELETING POSTS YOU COMMUNIST JEWS!" over and over again, why not be CONSTRUCTIVE and say something like, "I think you've made a mistake, Ron Paul was a very key player in the other night's debate. What is your take on the subject?". A post like that isn't going to get deleted, but "You ***** pawns of the government! R0N P4UL PWNZ!" will.
I think Diggers see themselves a little holier-than-thou. I've got a folder in GMail with over two hundred emails from Diggers, every one of them filled with hate speech or personal attacks. Take this gem of a quote from our very own user, "nickspinner".
"fuken moron. umans have out-sheeped sheep. sheep need sheep dogs to keep them under control"
What eloquence! This guy must be a writer or at least an english major. Talk like that on the ABC forums and I'd be surprised if they didn't mail bomb you. Digg isn't the same thing as Ron Paul, you can't go talking like you do here on high-profile websites. Those annoying wall-of-text rants about fighting the power just won't fly with ABC news, they have moderators and the moderators aren't other college students who share your radical ideas.
Just step back, chill out, and realize the situation from ABC's side. Hundreds of people go around posting the same thing, with terribul gramer and speeling and offensive / aggressive statements. Just relax, re-type your comment, use punctuation and the >>ENTER - Beatmiser, on 10/12/2007, -6/+33"I sat down this weekend and explained to my Father, a retired Air Forcer Colonel who has been a lifelong ABC News viewer about the nonsense of the having left Ron Paul off of the list in you 'non-scientific poll'. I showed him the evidence which I have archived- pictures of deleted messages on your site, etc... and he is as disgusted as I am. This article is a direct jab at those of us who pointed out your mistake- who you then censored, and who you now marginalize with a condescending article. I will continue to tell people I know of this disgusting lack of integrity. Shame ABC."
If anyone is interested in a full explanation with screenshots, etc of what happened I documented it here:
http://anachronisticfuturist.blogspot.com/2007/05/media-matters-more-than-they-should.html
((sorry but relevant blogspam)) - formergthing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27Oh I hope the irony isn't lost on everyone here.
Notice my username. I used to be just gthing before I dugg up stories related to digg censorship. - Toshibi, on 10/12/2007, -7/+33The Great Internet Revolt of 2007. I knew I smelled revolution in the air!
- GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -20/+44Anyone who thinks that Digg is a reputable source of information is as bad as the people who watch FOX news religiously. This place is user-driven, but it's got such a targeted user base that it's very biased. Stories against Ron Paul get buried here as much as stories that are pro-Ron Paul get bumped off air on stations like FOX. I've been posting facts about Ron Paul and they're getting buried. Pure fact, no bias, no opinion...they all get buried.
Ron Paul's stances on some issues...
NO to stem cell research
NO to implementing the Kyoto Protocols
NO to net neutrality
NO to deterring arms trade with China
NO to limits on campaign funding
NO to abortion
NO to the Department of Education
And to top it all off, he supports civil spying without a warrant. As in, what the PATRIOT act introduced. As in, the '1984' that all you guys fear so much.
Keep in mind, before you hit the red button, that this comment is 100% fact. I'm not injecting any GawtMilk bias here. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+28HELL YES
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+32Anyone mind taking the time to explain why they dugg down my comment? What did I say wrong? Where did I err?
[This is why a universal thumbs up/down is detrimental to this site. On slashdot your only -1's are for trolls and flamebates, not because you disagree. If you want the post you disagree with to be disregarded, you have to post an insightful comment that gets modded up so people see your opinion and agree with it. None of this "I don't agree so I digg down but I'm too lazy to say why" crap.] - terdblossom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Yes. Endless war, deficits, total corruption and lies are the only thing that works. Anything else is just "untenable."
- ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18screenshot of my post... lets see how long it lasts
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=489500622&size=o - wakananda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Don't stop when you get them on the ground. Finish it.
- MURDERTRON, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20Uh, half credit.
- kolanos, on 10/12/2007, -8/+22Care to point out any of those post-debate polls that show Paul is not a contender? Every poll I've seen shows Paul on the receiving end of a signifigant jump after the May 3rd debate. Including a NewsMax poll conducted recently, which is a signifigantly Neocon readership.
There is a movement afoot, whether you like it or not. The people want change, and Ron Paul represents that change within the Republican party. If Gravel plays his cards right, he could represent that change in the Democratic party. The only people who need to wake up are people like you in the mainstream media who refuse to accept the fact that the people are sick and tired of the status quo. - scispaz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16They also claim to be news organization that isn't biased. ABC also indicates it wants its users to share their thoughts, and yet is clearing those opinions outside of their terms of service.
There is nothing wrong with calling them on it. - redlemon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14you win some you lose some i guess. let's not forget that ABC=Disney.
- Dereliction, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Plato, you ***** genius, they are a business--at least you have that much right. At the same time, we are consumers and we do pay their ***** bills. We reserve the right to bitch about a poor product or a poor service. We reserve the right to make known the good practices of one business and the bad practices of another. Don't scold the consumer anymore than you withhold scorn for the providers. It is a two way street and it makes you look like an idiot if you tell people that they can only cross it while checking to the right.
The problem for ABC (and oh so many companies at this point) is that the consumer is empowered by the Internet. The consumer is empowered by information. Empowered by access and the spread of knowledge regarding the activities of the media and corporations and government entities who oppose this sort of consumer and information edginess. But you know what? It's ***** fantastic. It's even inspiring to see the sense of elation some are finding thanks to the Internet and modes of socialization offered through sites like Digg. ***** fantastic, I say. - glock22ownr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14All the major media outlets are corrupt, they all spin stories, make ***** up, and report too quickly. Not one is clean Fox, CNN, MSNBC, none of them. They all care about profit not about news.
- Atertract, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17"Since online polls aren't scientific..." - ABC
They aren't scientific when Ron Paul wins. But had Giuliani won, ABC would have presented the information as meaningful. Complete tool sheds. - avasol, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Bush is a *****.
(Please add 1 point). - c0y0t3, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Here's where Ron Paul really stands:
http://senate.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm
not as simple as you are trying to paint him, for example on abortion related issues:
* Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
* Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
* Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
* Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
* Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
* Voted YES on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
* Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
* Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)
* Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
* Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
* No federal funding of abortion, and pro-life. (Dec 2000)
* Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003) - Toshibi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Wow, I never thought that the idea of maximum freedom for each person only limited by the same freedoms of others was selfish. I must have completely overlooked that. How selfish of me to think that people shouldn't be forced into doing things against their will! I'm going to have to completely rethink my whole philosophy now. You really opened my eyes!
/sarcasm - wakananda, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15***** you, trolls. Apologizing for media censorship - blatant deception.
I don't mean you're trolls in internet parlance. I mean you're hairy, ugly, semi-retarded baby-eating earth-dwellers. - rhabd0mancer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12ABC and MSNBC are now on my S**** list and will not be watched in my household or any of my businesses lobbies.
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loker269 1:03 AM - buff01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12The best thing about this is, the more disturbance we make, the more the media will be forced to take notice and stop hiding the candidate they don't want people to see. If this grassroots support continues, it will become a big story-- believe me.
- wakananda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I don't like being lied to. When someone lies to me about something serious, especially if they presume to be aiding me and informing me, I feel betrayed. I judge that they mean me harm, intend me to be their sucker, want to take me to the cleaners somehow. If I catch someone trying to con me, they are lucky to escape on two legs. So ***** the lying corporate media, and more than that, ***** the smarmy, elitist little shills who stick up for the "right" of the lying corporate media to lie to us, or upbraid us for our naivete in expecting them to tell the damn truth and not throw elections. In contemplating their smug depravity, their smirking abandonment of community and country for the hope of a corner office, I have come to know, as never before, the meaning of that colorful American turn of phrase "I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire."
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17@hackthegov
with a name like 'hackthegov' i believe you can stfu - drag0ns1ayer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@formergthing,
Regarding the irony...you are hardly the first person who has noticed this. Shall I asked what happened to former Digg member Tyrannosaurus - who disappeared immediately after complaining about the Digg "bury brigade" censoring any articles that might alert the public to jihadist activities?
Ty's burial came about right after Ty made a comment pointing out that the Digg admins must be in on this themselves - else they'd have put a stop to it. There was a big flamewar going on. I briefly saw this, and then I tried to go back in for another look - and guess what - Ty was gone, and so were ALL of Ty's recent comments.
So tell me everybody, exactly what was Digg trying to hide by deep-sixing Ty?
And am I going to get banned (sort of a recursive operation here, for all you geeks) for asking about this myself?
If I get banned, THAT PROVES MY POINT!
(very sad smile) - Endeavour3d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Censorship in media is one of the topics Ron Paul was talking about that is destroying this country, good job proving him right ABC.
- CraigJ, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12The old, traditional ways of doing things are starting to break down, yet they try desperately to hang on to their existing model, not change the way they do business. It will happen, but not overnight. Unfortunately, the great majority of people still get their "news" from the TV or the newspaper, in other words, they get a bunch of filtered, op-ed crapola that isn't worth the paper / bandwidth it takes.
- Chort, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15Yes.
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