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- 911Hijacker, on 10/11/2007, -26/+70Peace begins with 911 Truth.
Bravo ladies! - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -10/+46what do you have against the truth?
- yuurei8, on 10/11/2007, -13/+48What else are they hiding? Republicans are looking at the Bush-Kennedy amnesty bill and realizing for the first time something is wrong in DC. Why has Bush left the borders open since 9/11? What's up with the NAU and SPP? Now it's time to wonder why we have yet to learn what really happened on 9/11? Here's a list of 100 professors and 50 government officials who are asking the same questions:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/070618professorsquestion911
Fight on ladies... - stormshadow777, on 10/11/2007, -5/+27Why limit it to just Republicans? Now that Democrats have a majority in the house and control the senate don't you think they would be bringing these things to light? Democrats don't seem to be fighting very hard for this information to be released. You would think they would if its so damning to the Republicans. No matter how many people say the earth is round, there will still be retards that say its flat. Did anyone ever stop to think that this document may implicate Clinton and Gore inaction during thier administration? Somethings are best left alone.
- Groovemaster, on 10/11/2007, -6/+28People seriously need to stop jumping on the incompetence bandwagon and realize that not one person in the US government or defense industry was ever penalized, reprimanded or otherwise held accountable for their "incompetence".
- iTorrey, on 10/11/2007, -8/+29To me, a crackpot is someone who lumps together people into groups in order to discredit them without addressing their claims.
Why must someone who believes that we aren't getting the whole 9/11 story also be a holocaust denier and believe that the earth is flat? That is ridiculous and you know it. I know for a fact that we aren't getting the truth from the government. On July 27, 2001 I got information from a Florida DMAT official that they were gearing up for a 'massive terrorist attack in New York City by bin laden'. I had no idea who Bin Laden was and I went and told everyone I knew about this thinking there would be a truck bomb or something like that. On the morning of 9/11 everyone where I worked just stood and looked and each other and didn't know what to think.
This information obviously shoots some holes in the no prior knowledge story and seriously makes me question if the whole thing wasn't an inside job.
My story was documented at the time on a forum but that forum crashed a few months after 9/11 and the post is gone. Many people on this forum to this day recall and back up my story as do the people I worked with and my friends and family. Now, you can lump me in with holocaust deniers and flat earthers all you want but my questions are based in reality and your attacks are based on wanting to believe a fairytale. - williamdyer, on 10/11/2007, -6/+26The effect of the old new Pearl Harbor has worn off. We clearly must have a new new Pearl Harbor.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -15/+33@Infowarmachine
Maybe the fact that the "truth" isn't in fact, the truth.
You see, when when something like 9/11 happens, it's usually proper for a countries officials to release documents or evidence that help tell what happend and give explanations to millions of people who may have lost loved ones in a disaster, or even if they just live in the country so they have clarity.
But instead, in America decided that instead of showing a few videos that would destroy ALL "conspiracy theories," they have chosen not to. So really, in a twisted reality, we have no clue what the hell really happened. The 9/11 Commission Report is a hunk of *****, written by those who withhold all of the information on what really happend and who want to keep their 6-figure salaries for their lives so they will keep their mouths shut. If you've seen some of the arguments against the claimed reasons for 9/11, you'd be appalled and nearly disgusted as I am.
I never am a person looking for attention or looking to hop on some bandwagon of conspiracy so I can give people something to talk about. I merely look at the facts, and the arguments, and decide from that. I have seen the arguments, I have seen the video replays, some documents, odd occurrences and in the end, they simply add up to what I think is a new truth. - Ub3rg33k, on 10/11/2007, -5/+18"Related:
ISRAELI EMBASSY IN NYC IS A RADIATION HOT SPOT
http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/22798.php"
An article with no author attribution, written 9 months ago, that has a statement injected in the middle claiming there was a spike at the Israeli embassy. Notice that 90% of the rest of the article concerns itself with confirmed radiation found at a Staten Island park. Isn't it odd that there is only a blip of info about the embassy and no further explanation or supporting evidence?
Oh wait ... that's because its a cut and paste of an AP wire article published a month earlier, except the author at "cleveland indy media" added the bit about the embassy himself with no real proof or attribution. http://www.wcbs880.com/pages/86759.php?contentType=4&contentId=209765
Nice. - spawnfree, on 10/11/2007, -9/+21he may be a 911 hijacker, seeing as most of them were found to be still alive and living in other countries.
is it just the foaming robots, that pop up and make 'tinfoil hat' jokes, that have forgotten this fact?
one of many fishy things about 9/11 - dukeeeey, on 10/11/2007, -6/+15http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58h0LjdMry0&NR=1
- Groovemaster, on 10/11/2007, -8/+16"you're not giving dick cheney enough credit."
Dick Cheney was in direct control of NORAD on 9/11.
One theory says he just did a really bad job of handling the situation, 3000+ people died, but he was never reprimanded or censured for his incompetence.
Another theory says he purposefully ensured that the operation was a success. Google "Mineta testimony" for further evidence.
http://www.google.com/search?q=mineta+testimony - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -13/+21Hey steel melted again in the Oakland bridge freeway collapse 3 months ago.
Who are we to believe. Steel melted twice by fire in one decade?!?!
go to 4/29 truth dot com and be set free!
http://www.429truth.com/ - BohicaTwentyTwo, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11Current Version of CIA Report(Redacted):
**** Did It. It was an ****** Job. - tehpwnrate, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8godlike, good start. But you're making one critical error.
Steel loses up to half of its structural integrity when it is at one-third of its melting temperature. It does not have to physically become a liquid to bend and break.
Severe weakening and melting are two very different things. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10@kmckanna
and that makes more sense to you than the men with the motive and means doing it?
face the facts, 9/11 is an inside job
your in denial - stormshadow777, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10"But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F."
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4
Guess they are lying too. Jackass - Novagenesis, on 10/11/2007, -8/+14How about physicists saying that the event couldn't have been precipitated by a plane?
- spawnfree, on 10/11/2007, -6/+12how about the security video from the gas station near the pentagon.
the tapes showed the whole thing. they could be released to prove 'truthers' wrong, but no.
instead they release a few frames from a different tape that show a blur and an explosion.
they are not stupid, either they are hiding the truth or they are deliberately fueling endless and counter-productive arguments. Why do either?
its almost as if bush's crew are trying to destroy faith in the very systems of government. - stormshadow777, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7@ moin1097
Great job and a good read. way too indepth for this discussion. Your muddling everything with real facts, not the fake facts that the truthers keep throwing in peoples faces. - joeyjesus, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9@hetman - you're right - like the conclusion that because planes hit, and the buildings fell, that one event caused the other. Other than temporal proximity, no real evidence supports that conclusion, but that hasn't stopped many fools from jumping to it, including presumed top engineers, since day 1.
- TubaTechno, on 10/11/2007, -6/+10"the one that some bad guy in a cave sent 19 hijackers to destroy the twin towers and hit the pentagon and no one expected it or could do anything to stop it; that conspiracy theory?"
I find it ironic how the "truthers" like that phrase "some guy in a cave" in order to misrepresent the truth. That "some guy in a cave" you are referring to is Osama Bin Laden. In 1996, he was able to make an alliance with the Taliban, who were then rulers of the whole country of Afghanistan. And that Al-Qaeda fighters were integrated into the Taliban army. This alliance came when Osama's family and Omar's family were united through a marriage of their kin.
So by "some guy in a cave" you mean a very close ally and friend of the ruler of the country of Afghanistan, then you are correct.
"no one expected it"
And flying planes as weapons was not a new tactic for terrorists. A plot was foiled in '95 in the UK along those lines. So yeah, again with your misinformation, it was expected and planned for. But the incompetence of the government was shown in all it's glory. - spawnfree, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7the boarders are open because America, Canada and Mexico are one country, as far as the north American union and its new currency the 'Amero' are concerned.
what? they haven't told you yet?
I guess what goes on between bankers and government is none of our business. bit like the Euro. - slaytanic213, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7Donna Marsh O'Connor, 9-11-06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZlNNo-w4EU
Donna Marsh O'Connor Speaks Out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1IuvCwtWzI - erikph7, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Maybe another dog piddled on a tire?
- bbjohnnyt, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8I really get a kick out of selective liberal logic. The Bush administration is so brilliant to craft and, in particular, successfully hide such a well orchestrated attack like 9/11, but is so dumb to plant a couple of WMDs in Iraq to justify their war. The second would make far more sense than the first.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4"Democrats don't seem to be fighting very hard for this information to be released. You would think they would if its so damning to the Republicans."
I suppose you believe the feuds between professional wrestlers are real too. The Democrats were just as in on things as the Republicans. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Quote Spawnfree: "he may be a 911 hijacker, seeing as most of them were found to be still alive and living in other countries"
Um, no, they crashed in the planes that went boom into buildings and the ground. Dunno where you're getting your info from... - joeyjesus, on 10/11/2007, -9/+12@tehpwnarate - "these conspiracy theories" you mean the one propagated by the government and mass media; the one that some bad guy in a cave sent 19 hijackers to destroy the twin towers and hit the pentagon and no one expected it or could do anything to stop it; that conspiracy theory?
"no amount of debunking by real scientists will change that"
Something tells me you wouldn't know real science if it shat on your head. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Does it matter? It's aluminum, ffs. It dissolves readily when catalyzed by many common substances. Ever thought of a catalyst? There was definitely more to 9/11 than an aluminum frame, some fuel, and a spark.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6"It doesn't matter whether any one individual piece of that evidence is true."
That is not valid. You admit the possibility that your 'evidence' holds no merit, yet you still DEMAND that it be answered by the government.
CONCLUSION: The government has better things to do that waste time on paranoid delusional crackpots such as yourself. - HallsOfMandos, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I am not a conspiracy theorist, nor a tinfoil hat-wearer, I just have a few questions I would like answered by one of the people in this thread that is defending the government on this: Why did Bush and Cheney refuse to be under oath when they spoke with the 9/11 Commission? Why did the insist they appear together? Why was no official transcript made? Why no press?
This speaks volumes to me. It says they wanted to avoid being under oath so that they never would have to worry about perjury. It shows they had something to hide. Now, I don't want anyone to assume that this conclusion suddenly has me believing that the entire attack was orchestrated by our government, but it certainly shows they don't want us to know something about that day, after all, if you have nothing to hide...right, neo-con apologists? - kaelyiesta, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6Curious, why is it just widows? Surely some married women died that day as well...
- stormshadow777, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6@John11238
Thanks for showing us how retarded you are. By your logic Global warming is a myth. Whose to say the 100 professors that claim there is global warming are not being paid off by George Soros to undermine the Bush administration? If meteorologists cannot predict what the weather will be like tomorrow, then how can climatologists predict what will happen in 20 years? Asinine logic deserves asinine responses. - stormshadow777, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Concrete Lab Technician = Quickrete mixer at Home Depot
- numbered, on 10/11/2007, -9/+12@TubaTechno dont confuse analytical thinking and refusing to shut my brain down with the close-mindedness so many people adhere to. Stop accepting things at face value. You can't just group everyone who does research and disagrees with you together with the obvious "conspiracy-theorist crackpots" out there. Just look at the facts.
These are 4 of nearly countless questions:
1. Why did building 7 fall
2. Why dont we have any funtional black boxes
3. Why do so many of the ground crews hear explosions as the buildings are collapsing and what caused the explosions in building 7 sending debris flying out impaling nearby structures
4. Why did the freaking steal melt straight through at the base of the buildings when there were no explosives, the fuel burned up on impact and chemists even say that had the fuel not burned up, it could not nearly have reached a temperature to melt steel
When these are the first sky-scrapers in the history of the human race to collapse because of a fire, why am I crackpot to ask why when no answer seems to be given? - Ub3rg33k, on 10/11/2007, -6/+9"Steel melted twice by fire in one decade?!?!"
I thought fire and heat was how steel was melted everyday. I guess its really formed by magic and moonbeams. My bad.
Take a material sciences course at any college. Read up on yield, plastic deformation. While you're at it, take a structural engineering course. Understand safety factors in modern building techniques. When you begin to understand how razor thin we make our margins in buildings in order to cut costs, you can also see how this happens. "They don't make them like they used to", indeed. - Hetman, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7There are other factors you are not looking at. First the steel did not have to melt for the building to collapse. Secondly the pressure from a 110 story building collapsing is obviously going to cause super high temperatures. Finally there were other things that started buring after the Jet Fuel Ie lots of aluminum and paper. It was an office building.
- Hetman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5The good thing about troothers is that even if it doesnt point to a conspiracy they can always say. "This is just Bush spreading misinformation." Its not like they really care about the truth. They just like the idea of conspiracies.
- generalloy, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7Parts of the overpass were reopened much more quickly than it was thought from articles I read...BECAUSE THE STEEL DIDN'T MELT. :) I think the thing about the WTC towers (or moreso WTC7 in my mind), is that jet fuel can't melt steel. And then there's WTC7, which wasn't hit by a plane and wasn't damaged much except for several fires, apparently.
"Steel melted twice by fire in one decade?!?!"
It's actually three buldings. WTC 1, 2, and that other building, number 7. - TubaTechno, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Actually no, I'm only digging YOU down.
- Factionrider, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5"In a statement obtained by RAW STORY, September 11th Advocates Patty Casazza, Monica Gabrielle, Mindy Kleinberg, and Lorie Van Auken write, "Almost six years have passed since the attacks of September 11, 2001, yet critical information continues to be withheld from the American public regarding the attacks." Nice journalism, how exactly can you Advocate 9/11?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4
It does bring up another source of ignition for the aluminum to ignite. Friction.
And anybody that has taken basic firefighting knows, once aluminum starts to burn almost nothing will make it stop. - generalloy, on 10/11/2007, -6/+8The Jersey Girls and the 9/11 widows have done a lot of good.
I remember reading about the still-classified CIA report a few months ago, and the Democrat on the Committee pushing to get it declassified, I believe, said there was a lot of stuff in it and in other reports that would 'blow our minds' (pp). - TubaTechno, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6There you go, misrepresenting the "truth" again. You've been given answers that have been verifiable been backed up by real science and experts, but you choose to twist around the words and refuse to accept it.
I'm not here to change your mind because you obviously have it set. I'm just here to represent the other side so people can make up their own mind.
WTC 7 collapsed because of a huge gapping hole, large fires, and the apparent lack of structural integrity (in several videos you see it leaning over). All that damage being caused by the falling debris from WTC 1 and the 6,000 gallon diesel tanks in the basement.
I have no idea why we don't have black boxes, but that doesn't automatically mean something is wrong here. There are several accounts of firemen that found some and were told to hand them over and be quite about it. An investigation should be conducted of course, but not because we should automatically assume that their accounts are correct and were told to be quite. Automatically assuming that there is a conspiracy would be negating any objectivity in any investigation. We must also take into consideration that the firemen aren't always going to tell the truth, and neither is the government.
People have preconceived ideas of what sounds are supposed to sound like. An elevator being severed from it's cables and crashing down to the bottom floor would probably sound like an explosion as the air pressure is released and the doors are blown open by the impact. People hearing explosions isn't not out right justification of a conspiracy involving a controlled demolition. Explosions and sounds of impacts can be caused by things other than explosive materials.
Do you ever stop with this misinformation? Of course a chemist will agree that fuel won't come to a temperature that will actually melt steel. No one is arguing that the fires actually melted the steel. The official report said that the fires were "reducing their capacity to support the building above". Fuel can easily get to a temperature that will weaken steel to a point where it loses most of it's structural integrity. Mixed with thousands of gallons and plane debris tearing and washing off the insulation, this makes for a perfect situation for the support columns to be weakened enough to buckle under the immense weight of the top floors.
You can go ahead and continue to question everything I just mentioned. I have a feeling you will somehow "dismiss" all this evidence and claim I'm against "truth" and the "freedom of speech" or say that I'm labeling everyone who disagrees with the official story as a "crackpot", but I've come to expect that from "truthers". - TruthWillWin, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7The government can fall back on there propaganda term: "conspiracy theorists", when their ridiculous theories like "the magic bullet" can't be defended.
and to immediatly be able to label something as a "conspiracy theorie", will give them the chance to give no meaningfull factual response whatsoever.
www.patriotsquestion911.com ( all "conspiracy theorists" ofcourse, lol!, i think not)
it is pretty safe to start referring to "anti-conspiracy-nuts" instead. ( meaning people who automaticly shut down independant thinking as soon as they even hear the word "conspiracy") ( pretty pathetic neo-con media, FOX-news- Bill o'reilly, Sean Hannity kind of way to try and repress any factual debate.) look at them, there standard response when they can't handle the facts anymore is calling people a "conspiracy-nut".
i suggest the Richard Clarke fan here reads "911 - synthetic terror-made in the USA" for free online, and go shame your eyeballs out.( like we say in my country).
Or from the same researcher the book: "Bush unauthorized biography", and go shame yourself some more for defending that NAZI-scum out of pure ignorance. ( caused by the media and lack of reading for yourself))
Both bestsellers can be read for free, and are extremely well documented and undebatable horrific facts! - tb0n3r, on 10/11/2007, -8/+10"And then there's WTC7, which wasn't hit by a plane and wasn't damaged much except for several fires, apparently."
Oh, and a 110 story building fell on it, ripping a huge 20 story high hole in the back side of it. That's all. - Hetman, on 10/11/2007, -7/+9There is no such thing as global warming Chuck norris just got cold so he decided to turn the sun up.
- TubaTechno, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6"Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C"
Maximum burning temperature: 980 °C
CONCLUSIVE!!!
How are these "truthers" even going to fight against something they don't even understand?!?! The official story doesn't say that steel was melted. It said that steel was hot enough to lose most of it's integrity. That doesnt' mean it's melted.
Seriously, it's like trying to reason with a child....who is severely retarded... - Groovemaster, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5Maybe he knows how to use Google.
http://www.google.com/search?q=911+hijackers+still+alive&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a -
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