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- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+80Isn't it amazing that they waited this long to reveal this info? What were they thinking earlier?
Clearly there is SOMETHING wrong. Is it all Bush's doing? Is it government corruption in general? Maybe there's something bigger going on than most people suspect.
Partisan bickering only plays into the hands of these criminals. We have to hold accountable everyone responsible for what has happened; no matter what party they belong to, what their religious affiliation is--or how rich they are. - RogerRabbit, on 10/12/2007, -36/+719/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB
most people just havnt had a reason to question the story
once you actually look at footage without immediately accepting their story, you realize how much ***** it really is
after all, everyone likes to think their government doesnt lie to them - martalli, on 10/12/2007, -11/+44Conspiracy theories abound that the administration had prior knowledge about the 9/11 attacks. However, after the last several years I find it much more likely that the government was simply incompetent. Maybe the conspiracy theories are right...but as the government has flubbed almost every crisis, simply incompetence sadly seems most likely to me...
- thirdtenor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+34Of course its easy to say they are incompetent. But once you start to follow all the money, no bid contracts, etc I think you should be asking yourself if this is not what they had in mind all along.
- jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28@martalli :
i can certainly understand your reasoning, but its also an easy explanation, which is convenient for the bush administration. the bottom line is, something ***** up is happening, and it has to be investigated, rather than saying... oh well, they probably screwed up again. because bush might be an idiot, but many of the others in the administration aren't. they've been in politics for a while, they know the ropes, they know the right people, etc etc... you don't just get elected into the whitehouse by accident and you most likely, when you are the most powerful military and have the most aware intelligence agency in the world, accidentally continue to screw up.
thats insane. - DrLex, on 10/12/2007, -6/+31As fast as building WTC 7 :) ? Extreme preassure bla bla bla
- gummih, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26Don't let the "truth" be force fed to you. Not by the government and not by others.
Check out what everyone has to say and don't buy any of it - make your own judgement. Don't be satisfied with the "Well I'm sure they had their reasons for doing this" mentality. I'm not saying that they didn't have a reason, I'm sure they did, but we have to question what logical reason they may have had.
Keep your mind critical, open and thinking. - Tyr7BE, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27My favorite part is how he was re-elected.
- illegal, on 10/12/2007, -23/+41http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1519312457137943386&q=911
This is Loose Change - 2nd Edition Movie free at google video 1 hour 20 min explaining why and how this was an inside job.... - P5ycHo, on 10/12/2007, -8/+26I know there are sites out there which debunk Loose Change as uttur garbage.
Naturally not all the items in that docu are true. Much of the info needed to be stapled together because the gov. failed to cooperate on answering some simple questions.
The big ones however are undeniable. Why was the scene not treated as normal planecrashes would? Why was all the steel (evidence) immedially sold for scraps? Why did building 7 collapse? Why don't we get to hear the complete conversations on the black boxes? Wht don't we get to see the security footage of the gasstation @ the pentagon? How about the one of the hotel? etc. etc.
What shocked me the most (& is not in Loose Change) is that the Monica Lowinski investigation costed far far more than the whole 911 investigation. - joel2600, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20This video:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=9%2F11+revisited
is called 9/11 revisited. it does not use conspiracy theories to try and prove anything, nobody is trying to tell you anything. The first part of the video is all straight newsfootage from that day and the latter part of the video is experts giving discussions about why they believe there is reason to suspect that explosives brought down the towers.
No conspiracy theories are presented, so please use this video to make yourselves more knowledgable and make your own decisions based on the evidence presented. - Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -9/+25"However, after the last several years I find it much more likely that the government was simply incompetent."
^^ I'm with this guy.
The Bush administration completely fouled up on predicting how the Iraqi public would react to being invaded, so I find it hard to believe that they could do a better job predicting how the US public would react to being attacked, if (as conspiracists suggest) they planned 9/11 themselves. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21@ ryllharu
"you need to see a few more engineering disasters. Thousands of tons of material dropping down *does* make things collapse that fast."
No other building *in history* constructed like the twin towers has collapsed in that way. Not a single one. Not even with fires that burned for days. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19I always exercise my right to question my govt. If it ever comes to a point where we lose that right, well there is a gun store 4 blocks from here.
My point is, that calling someone stupid because they question the actions of their govt is in itself, really ignorant and stupid. - dvpdziyn, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20Look, that guy raises some valid questions in very well-produced video, but some of the things are just stupid...like the 'explosions' that collapsed the building...hello! Any building collapse is going to cause blowouts on the floors below the collapse!
Nevertheless, 9/11 should get a little closer inspection, and I am especially upset with how it was used to get us into Iraq, and then the convenience of no-bid contracts going to Halliburton at al! - DangerMouse9, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14@right75
He's so concerned with national security that he'll make you a prisoner of your own home so you can be better controlled. Ya, national security... where all your personal information is freely available to the government to do whatever they want with it in the name of protecting your freedoms.
What's the point of having these massive amounts of freedom that make America the best country in the world where you kill anyone that disagrees with you, if you have no freedoms?
By adding all the survellience and other utter ***** of the Patriot Act, in the name of protecting our freedom, have squandered and destroyed the very freedom we hold so dear.
So yes, I do think Gore, Kerry, Kermit the Frog, a box of Tic Tacs, or even you could have done a far better job. Many of these fools that re-elected him only voted for him because they thought it would be a bad idea to put a new leader in office during a time of war. However, with all the faux pas of this administration (like firing the very few Arabic translators they had because they were gay), I'm sure that a new leader would have done a better job getting us out of the pickle we're in.
America: Land of the diminishing free... - rubberbrush, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I was flying that day-Delta flight 1989 (I was the FO) we were the only plane from BOS to LAX that morning that didn't get hijacked...creepy. We took off right behind American and United.
But we also had an encounter with flight 93 (The feds thought we were flight 93 for a time...I think they mention my flight in the flight 93 movie but I can't bring myself to watch it)
Anyway, I was assured by some friends in the fighter community that we had an "escort" when we were told to land in Cleveland.
I offer that as a data point only. If they were on us and we could see flight 93 go by...then it doesn't seem that unlikely that 93 had some company.
Also, for you conspiracy theorists...I've read a few accounts of my plane being involved in a cover up of some sort. And I can tell you that those are not true. We were just flying a trip to Boston and got caught in the action. - Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14"If the government can't effectively keep secret ***** like Valerie Plame, do you honestly think they could cover up something as large scale as 9/11?"
There is a school of thought that, when it comes to lying, big lies are easier to hide than small ones. Small ones are easily challenged, but it takes some serious cahones to stand up and challenge the big lies, right? Lies don't magically uncover themselves, someone somewhere has to put the effort in, and put their reputation on the line, to challenge them. - OperatorNo9, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17And just how is it that you know gnomes aren't stealing my pants at night. Are you the one stealing them? Alright. It's not funny anymore. Sure. I got a good laugh out of it the first couple weeks, but now it's costing me a fortune.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Let's welcome the latest COINTELPRO lamer "ryllharu" to digg.com!
First in his row of amazingly idiotic claims and plain lies;
"There are *abundant* accounts of how poorly constructed the Towers were built."
False (i.e. a lie).
"The frame was not meant to withstand fires that are several hundreds of degrees..."
False (i.e. a lie).
"It was only ordinary construction steel, no civil engineer anticipated a fire of that intensity burning around the supports."
False (i.e. a lie).
"Nor should they have."
False (i.e. a lie).
I believe that gives "ryllharu" the first place on the list of disinformation scumbags
currently working digg.com - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+20See this: http://physics911.net/sagadevan.htm
"The Impossibility of Flying Heavy Aircraft Without Training" - Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14"Bush may not be perfect, but he sure beats the crap out of Kerry and Gore. He seems to be very concerned with national security, whereas Kerry and Gore seem to be concerned with nothing more than being elected. Who is the real leader in this case?"
The Republican Party has an excellent understanding of the fact that if you can make an election debate revolve around national security, domestic issues (and indeed most other issues) will get ignored. Bush is only interested in national security in so far as it consolidates his own power.
Also, since you have absolutely no knowledge of what Kerry & Gore would be like as president (remember that Bush said "no regime change" during his election campaign?), you can neither call them better or worse. - simpleid, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17I read what some sites had to say about debunking the loose change videos and they're quite insane. The arguements are full of logical fallacies and ignorant over-exadurations.
The loose change group did their research, the debunkers are desperate and childish with immature slang and comments.
It's obvious the debunkers of loose change act on emotion, and not research. - Metman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Been over to Iraq have ya?
So the 200+ schools and 3 million people + who now have running water are missing Saddam? They know "Thank You" in English not "Damn Americans". The children come up and want to 'shake hands' (not a native custom) with the soldiers. Less then 17% are insurgents, yet that is ALL you see on the news. They barely even showed the election announcements when people were dancing in the streets. You sit on your couch and watch the news with its 20 secs of images and make the assessment that we failed because there are still terrorists bombing thier own poeple there (just like Chechnya, Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, India and many other locations were we are not involved). Welcome to American pop-culture. Lets make shocking news rather then responsible/comprehensive news. The world is not black and white - only our thinking. Yes I am certain that 'bad' things have happened as a result of our involvement - its human nature (sadly). Just as there are criminals and those who wish to exploit others in society, so that in our military and in our allies and foes. 18988 have dies since we invaded Iraq, but no one talks about the 32,850 deaths per year under the rule of Saddam's regime. Thats 28100(ish) lives a year not snuffed out.
Heres the real irony. I do not support the war and think it there was significant strategic mistakes made prior to invading. I do support our troops over there regardless of my view on the war or the president. However, I am not naive enough or disrespectful of lives our young men and women sacrificed to give the 83% of people in Iraq who many not have wanted 'democracy' but are certainly happy to have that freedom. Before anyone asks, no I have not been to Iraq but my brother-in-law just got back and says while conditions and moral may suck there, there is alot of good being done and that the people there are grateful and express hope to the soldiers. - Metman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"wow, 32850 - 18988 = 28100? that's really lousy math there metman... you're off by 15000..."
Pay attention and stay with me...
32850 / 4 (years we have been at war) - 18988 = ?
American children score exceptionally low on Reading and Comprehension compared to other industrial nations. Suprise? - HPSauce, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947
Some conservative, neo-con, investigator - whatever, convince me otherwise the theories above are false.
Our Governments have had a history of self destruction in order to find motives to start wars; the USS Liberty coverup, Nazis did it with the Reichstag; I'm hardly surprised 9/11 and 7/7 aren't the same. Training excercises on the same day, on BOTH occasions? Oooh, what are the chances! - ByteGuerilla, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14Yeah, masamunecyrus. Who am I going to believe? Random digg user, or experts in the field right after the disaster? I think I may have to go with the latter on this one.
- P5ycHo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13"Did you even read the article?"
You mean, you don't see the relevance of his comment? - avidlinuxuser, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9You plan to take away emotion. Terrorism has been around far longer than this century. I think it was called slash and burn warfare. You burn down civilian residences and hold the civilians until the other group gives in. It was done in the Civil War. It was done in Medieval times. As long as their is violence, terrorism will exist. Now, it's possible to destroy existing terrorist organizations, but new ones will emerge.
As a side point, the KKK is as much a terrorist organization as Al Qaeda. However, we haven't arrested any members as enemy combatants. Some of the more aggressive anti-abortion groups could be considered terrorist organizations. The IRA is a terrorist organization. South Africa under apartheid commited several atrocities and killed many non-white citizens. Do you really think this "war on terrorism" is about terrorism? No, it is about propping up western style democracies in the middle east. Those democracies will ultimately fail because western style democracies don't account for the mob mentality. People can be manipulated easily.
Until the govt decides to take on our own terrorist groups, I have no reason to believe we are fighting a war on terror. Do I believe the govt did 9/11? No. Do I believe that the Bush administration knew what would? Yes. Did they do everything to stop it? No. Did they want a war with Iraq before 9/11? Yes. Put the pieces together, and you get quite a different picture than you believe. - Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9"Yes, but at the same time, you have to eventually say "I trust these guys""
How long is eventually? - sjalloul, on 10/12/2007, -17/+22Who ever believed that this was executed by Al-Qaeda was a fool to start with. I think it was a major deception brought by our government which owns all the major network, to sway peoples overall opinions on the matter. I got to say this to everyone out there who still believes in this government, please watch foreign news channels they are usually on the money when it comes to the US government and politics.
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14The reason he was re-elected was because Bush was actually leading (albeit poorly, IMO), whereas Kerry was simply a puppet for the Democratic party. He simply had no opinions of his own whatsoever other than "I disagree with Bush, even if that means I agree with something that completely contradicts something else that I've disgreed with upon agreeing with!"
/Go Libertarianism! - avidlinuxuser, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@right75
The KKK's history - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
What is Terrorism? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
Neonazi membership on the rise in Texas http://www.splcenter.org/center/splcreport/article.jsp?aid=71
@pabster
I'm pretty sure the number deaths caused by the KKK numbers in several hundreds of thousands. They even killed black soldiers back in WWII. They are less violent now. However, there are still more than a few deaths attributed to them that occured within the past decade and a half. - Metman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7People in glass houses should not throw stones.
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13As far as I'm concerned, the government DID know about it, but they ignored it and passed it off as just another threatbecause up until 9/11, we lived in a safety bubble where seemingly nothing bad could happen. However, when this happened, the people who dismissed the threat realized their mistake, a worthless failure of a coverup was attempted, and in the end, they just said what happened: Terrorists attacked America by using passenger planes as large bombs. That way, there would hopefully be no investigation so that no one would realize that they ***** up.
I am, however, in support of an investigation, if not for the true story, then to shut up all the people who think that Bush personally bombed the WTCs and launched a missile into the Pentagon. - steppingrazor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Watch the Republican perspective on Republican Broadcast Network.
Similar to the loose change perspective but a conservative look into what happened
http://www.rbnlive.com/nwo911.html - PeaceChicken, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Robert Bowman said it best on C-SPAN's coverage of the 911 Scholars for Truth forum last night: "If the government has nothing to hide about what really happened, then why are they hiding *everything*?"
Instead of providing possible explanations and theories which will undoubtedly be debated and argued, I prefer to list some specific questions that need to be answered on behalf of the people of this country:
Why were public officials warned not to fly in the weeks leading up to it? Why were members of the Saudi royal family personally flown out of the country before it all happened? How did we have zero air defense for an hour and 45 minutes? How were the hijackers who could barely fly Cessna's at flight school able to control a huge Boeing and aim them with such precision? How do a few people take over planes full of passengers with just box cutters? Do cell phones really work at the altitude and speed the calls were supposedly placed at? Why did the WTC buildings suddenly become the first steel buildings to ever collapse from fire? And don't assume because of the jet fuel, do your physics research first. Where's the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon, one that actually shows a plane? Where's the wreckage from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania? What about the other surveillance videos, from the gas station and the hotel, why are those kept secret? What really happened to WTC building 7? Why did all three WTC buildings collapse in a matter entirely consistent with a controlled demolition? What were the explosions heard and seen along the sides of the buildings before the collapse? Why was all the forensic evidence disposed of as fast as possible and the scrap metal sold to China?
There are just too many questions without logical answers for me to feel comfortable with the present story. What's the harm in doing a full, truly independent investigation? Are people afraid the truth might be too much to handle and it's easier to believe the story given by our gov't? Afraid to find out that 9/11 is just a stepping stone for a far grander plan? Ever heard of the Project for a New American Century?
Think for yourself and put it all together... - Metman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6My brother-in-law was a civil engineer for the Army. His 'job' was to rebuild civilian infrastructure, some repair work due to damage caused by war (by both sides), and bring things such as power and water to remote / dislocated areas. So yes, he has seen much of the stories he shares are in person. In addition, I have seen home movies of villagers, women and children coming torward him, hands raised saying "Thank you" in English when they enter a new village/town. There are pictures of graffiti on walls "Thank you USA" repeated in Arabic below it. There is a great movie he has of people who had sent over 'care packages' to his corp which included some childrens toys which he also got on camera them giving them to the children who always seem to be around (suppose natural curiousity of kids). The mothers crying and hugging the children and soldiers (who are not supposed to allow themselves to be hugged).
Again, there is no doubt some horrible things happening over there as well, it just saddens me that we never get to see the 'good' things being done over there. I do not believe in 'Holy Crusades' but I am glad that the people, if even in symbol get to dictact thier own future via some form of democracy. War is not pretty nor will it ever be. I do not believe War 'cures' anything, but I also belive that War is part of human nature as long as we have ANY grounds to have a difference in opinion. Even in this country were violence has broken out over bi-partisan politics. Until we acknowledge that people will disagree and the world is not black and white, we will continue to wage war. - bush911video, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6To anyone who donesn't think that Bush knocked down the towers believes that it is something to horrible to plan.
Reichstag Fire
Pearl Harbor (we knew about the attack a day in advance)
Gulf of Tonkin
Kuwaiti incubators
WTC 93
Oklahoma City
Northwoods
Operation Bojinka
Yes, my government was responsible for each of these lies. - d00ley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5In the following video, which is shot from Hoboken with the radio in the background, you can hear all of the explosions that are referred to so often, including by NYPD and FDNY.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911+Eyewitness - deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"As an outsider (a Brit) history tells me one thing: The pentagon are completely incompetent. They're screwed everything up around the mid-50s."
As an outside observer of the U.K. and the bloody history of the British Empire, I say it takes a pot to call a kettle black.
The British Isles have been ***** up the world for centuries. - eniack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5For all you 'in the know' theorists who claim there was no plane that crashed into the pentagon, here are photos of the dead bodies of real people who died on flight 77.
I'm sure its just all faked right?
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/pictures_of_victims_of_flight_77_911_Aug_01_2006.html - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@masamunecyrus
"The reason the Twin Towers fell as fast as they did was because when you have a building that large, due to extremes in pressure..."
Pressure?! You're right. Soon heavy, tall, buildings everywhere will be collapsing! - joel2600, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Does anyone know who Kevin Ryan is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Ryan
apparently you can lose your job for asking questions, especially when you have evidence that proves the official story is false. (Kevin worked for Underwriters Labratories who certified the steel used in the WTC towers) - nicerobot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5A huge problem with the commission was that the only material in the final report had to be unanimous consensus. I think that certainly explains all the omissions but as has become obscenely evident since it's release, it was a severe injustice.
- Egoist, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@deepsub: The same way a piece of foam destroys the space shuttle. E = 1/2mv²
- Egoist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4And yet no one claims that the fire melted the steel beams, not even the people who claim that Loose Change is complete *****. But the fire was hot enough to seriously weaken the structure to where the thousands of tons above it could no longer be supported.
- P5ycHo, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13So, what's you're explanation on the 'collapse' of building 7?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5BBC why the towers fell is an excellent rebuttal to that lame loose change film.
First it was just a non reporter, non scientist who made up loose change.
They show they are studding actual steal from wtc.. and it wasn't shipped over seas
they run fire tests on steel structures.
they even show high res slo mo of the building collapsing.. showing the core still standing in the smoke as the floors pancaked below.
they even explain squibs and explosions.
I think these crazier conspiracy theories drown out real questions.
Like why were two senators meeting with the money man of 9/11
why doesn't the FBI think osama was involved
what about pnacs desire for a new pearl harbor, coincidence?
Who set up the NORAD games?
Most importantly who put all the put options on American airlines? DO they not have a paper trail? do they not know, which ones are illegal?
I want the NIE titled osama planning to use planes to attack America, be declassified completely.
Why did we attack Iraq before we got osama?
and many others but missiles hitting pentagon, black boxes under planes.. etc have been successfully disproved and do nothing but muddle up the conversation and allow people to dismiss questions like mine, as being conspiracy theories like yours. -
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