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72% of Troops Want Out of Iraq, 29% Now!

rawstory.com — This is crazy! Why are they still there?

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  • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 10/12/2007, -85/+103I call ***** on this poll. Based on my experience there is no way it is accurate. When we where deployed, nearly every single guy up for reenlistment - including me - reenlisted. Reenlistment numbers are at record highs. Add to that the fact that vast majority of people currently in the military either enlisted or had the chance to get out since the war began (meaning they are ok with getting deployed) and there is no way this poll is accurate.

    "The Army National Guard, which has had the largest proportion of troops called up, has so far only lost ten percent of troops to attrition (not re-enlisting) among units returning from overseas. The normal rate of attrition, for all National Guard units, is 17 percent."

    http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2003112.asp
    • WordyRappington, on 10/12/2007, -52/+43@drinkxredxbull
      This poll doesn't say anything about re-enlistment. Its possible to re-enlist and still not want to be occupying Iraq for no apparent reason. Most people in the military probably don't have the skills or education to succeed in private business or normal jobs, so its not surprising that they would re-enlist once they get used to that government paycheck. That doesn't automatically mean that they want to be in Iraq. But if you're right and it does, then so much the worse for them. If they want to occupy Iraq, then they should pay for it. I see no reason why my money and the money of people that are against this war should be stolen to fulfill the military's desire to occupy foreign countries.
    • robbh66, on 10/12/2007, -59/+49@drinkxredxbull

      Welcome to digg where facts are only accepted if it supports the popular opinion.

      Around here, if it's from rawstory or thinkprogress it will get frontpaged, regardless of how ridiculous the story is.
    • knightblade2oo4, on 10/12/2007, -56/+35"Why are they still there?"

      Because the military is full of pawns that are lied to at recruiting and have less training than they should. Soldiers deserve all the respect in the world (this coming from a anti-war democrat btw) and honestly it's shameful that they're disrespected like they are.
    • Atacand, on 10/12/2007, -20/+70@knightblade2oo4

      "Because the military is full of pawns that are lied to at recruiting and have less training than they should. Soldiers deserve all the respect in the world (this coming from a anti-war democrat btw) and honestly it's shameful that they're disrespected like they are."

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      You just completely contraindicated yourself! You're disrespecting soldiers by calling them "pawns" and infantizing them by saying they didn't know what they were getting into when they were recruited. Who the hell doesn't know there is a war going on right now and if you join the army, you're going to be fighting in it!
    • d00ley, on 10/12/2007, -16/+49@drinkxredxbull -- Your logic is flawed in that it seems to assume that any soldier who believes we should wrap it up quickly would not continue it re-enlist. I know several soldiers who believe the war is being managed poorly and should come to a conclusion soon, but will continue to serve as long as it continues out of a sense of duty. Continuing to serve does not indicate that someone does not support the quick end to the war.
    • NickMilne, on 10/12/2007, -13/+58"This is crazy! Why are they still there?"

      Uh, because the average enlisted man doesn't call the shots, maybe? I don't know, you figure it out.
    • FunkyNuts, on 10/12/2007, -11/+50@knightblade

      >> Because the military is full of pawns that are lied to at recruiting and have less training than they should.

      Wow, that has got to be the most ignorant statement I've seen on Digg yet, and THAT's saying something. As an 18 year veteran (and still going), I resent the implication that I am somehow a pawn for serving our country. I was not lied to at recruiting, nor have I ever considered the training I received inadequate. I'm not saying those things don't happen to some people who join, but it's certainly a bad generalization on your part.
    • shlolz, on 10/12/2007, -15/+5972% of people hate going to work! Why are they still there?
    • darkecho, on 10/12/2007, -5/+37"Most people in the military probably don't have the skills or education to succeed in private business or normal jobs,"

      Really, most the people I know in the military degrees, some have multiple. You know why I and many others have joined the military, to go to college and get a degree. People in the military are normal people, and those in the guard and reserves have normal jobs outside of the military.
    • MaxK, on 10/12/2007, -18/+20Based on my experience in the Army and my ongoing contact with those who are still there I believe this poll 100%. Most of them want to go home.
    • ajcannon, on 10/12/2007, -9/+24@WordyRappington
      "Most people in the military probably don't have the skills or education to succeed in private business or normal jobs"

      It's nice to know what you think of our military. I think you might be surprised to know that most of our men and women over there are not only smarter than you, but have experience that hundreds of thousands of employers would absolutely love for their employees to have. Good job at showing your hand though.
    • hansmast, on 10/12/2007, -10/+19"This is crazy! Why are they still there?"

      Because we live in a democratic republic, not a straight democracy. For good reason too--that avoids sensational and unsustainable swings in public opinion dictating absurd policy.
    • fauxXenophanes, on 10/12/2007, -16/+9Burn yer draft cards !!!!!!!!!!
    • JK1150, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Was anyone excepting any soldier on active deployment anywhere to NOT want to come home?
    • Niirs, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2@d00ley Well said .......
    • TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -10/+14EVERYONE wants us out EVENTUALLY! This poll is stated pretty poorly. Most want out when the country is stable.

    • donwilson2, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20"Welcome to digg where facts are only accepted if it supports the popular opinion."

      I couldnt've said it better myself.
    • rwinograd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15"This is crazy! Why are they still there?"

      --They enlisted in the army and it is their job?
    • kbreezy04, on 10/12/2007, -12/+7drinkxredxbull you are completely retarded. Just because our reenlistment numbers are up doesnt mean a thing. They are offering more money than they ever have to get us to stay. How can you pass up 40k tax free to stay in 2 more years, you are stupid to pass that up. The only people who want to stay in iraq either havnt been there or are too stupid to see that nothing is working. Ive been in for 3 years and ive spent 2 of them away from my wife, she really loves it alot(sarcasm). And now if i deploy again i have to stay 15 months because some political pawn doesnt want to listen to his own people. We all want out of iraq, just because we stay in the military doesnt mean we want to stay in iraq.
    • NoStoppingUs, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12only 29% of the troops think we should leave now? *****, i support this war. i'm going to start citing this! thanks!
    • KhyberPass, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6My personal poll shows that all intelligent Americans want Democrats to ESAD.
    • madm0nk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@drinkxredxbull That is going to be different from unit to unit, and also the place that your unit was deployed to in Iraq could make a huge difference. I was in the Al Anbar Province (Fallujah, Ramadi, Habbaniya, etc) and most of the people in our unit got the ***** out ASAP. Also many things have come to the spotlight recently that most Americans were apparently oblivious to. Also some people see a cash bonus and suddenly forget everything that is important.
    • mercerman54, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13 "to control the insurgency we need to double the level of ground troops and bombing missions." And since there is zero chance of that happening, a majority of troops seemed to be saying that they believe this war to be unwinnable."

      Did anyone else read and hear Because the Dems won't let tmore troops go. They say we need more troops and from my 14 months over there I agree, when Bush sent more everybody started bitching, but we can't finish the job without even more, but that's Bushs fault too. That's a lose-loose situation Bush is ripped apart when when he sends more, but He's ripped apart if we don't win, but we need more to win. How ***** is that. That poll must have past up the Marine Corps, my unit all wanted to there and can't wait to go back, not that I want to leave my wife again, but because we are doing a lot of good things over there.

      I also call ***** on this poll!
    • madm0nk, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8Not to defend wordy ... but a good part of what he said is true. There are a lot of soldiers who get out .... and realize that they are on their own, and re-enlist because they can't make decisions without orders, or that they had a slack job in the Military (which there are PLENTY) and realized they have to actually work in the civilian world. The pay in some situations isn't too bad either, especially if you are married and live on the base, post, etc. You don't have to pay rent, power, water, garbage, etc. Also some soldiers take that combat pay and get themselves into debt so far that they pretty much have to re-enlist in order to pay it off. I don't know about the Air Force, Navy, or Marines but let me tell you that most of the men and women in the Army don't exactly have the brightest bulbs to begin with. All of what I said is from real people that these things actually happened to so take it for what it's worth.
    • rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7I see - your biased anecdotal report trumps a public opinion survey by respected polling service Zogbym their impressive track record notwithstanding.
      Or, is it simply that your faith-based dogma directs you to reject any contrary evidence, no matter how compelling or abundant.

      The original survey report is available from Zogby here:
      http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075

      Independent thinkers with integrity who are willing to follow the evidence wherever it leads should judge for themselves, from the source.
    • AegisGFX, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5Because your country is owned by Saudi Arabia, they call the shots, not you or your government.
    • nigh7dagger, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4This is such a surprising poll! I would have never guessed that a person would want out of a situation where they could be killed!

      This, in addition to the reasons stated (like how Zogby isn't nessecarily reliable, and this was a poll of about 950 people a year ago) means...buried.
    • eatmorgnome, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Well, take this for what it's worth, John Zogby, the guy behind this poll, is a self proclaimed liberal democrat. He also contributes to Arianna Huffington's news blog, and is of Lebanese descent.

      Now, pretty much every rational person wants out, and the Zobgy polls have a good reputation. But...Zogby's background does give the "other side" some ammo. Precious lovely ammo
    • ramiro, on 10/12/2007, -12/+8"rawstory" huh?
      How many more websites the Defeatocrats are gonna create to disguise their "crooks and liars" material?
      How many cool-aid drinkers are registered digg users?

      BURIED AS INACCURATE
    • ramiro, on 10/12/2007, -15/+12BTW, the pool is by Zogby International, which is a front for John Zogby, political activist for the Dhimmicrat party, and the pool was done through the internet. BELOW ZERO credibility.

      The idiots who are digging this to the front page are mere indiscriminate sheep.
    • psitech, on 10/12/2007, -14/+9@ Funkynuts

      Don't pay attention to these liberal bed-wetting Digg kiddies. Thank you for your service brother!
    • KuntaKinte, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2were these guys tricked into buying sheep too?
    • psitech, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8@ mercerman54

      Semper Fi and a big thank you to you as well for your service.
    • rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9@eatmoregnome
      "John Zogby, the guy behind this poll, is a self proclaimed liberal democrat. He also contributes to Arianna Huffington's news blog, and is of Lebanese descent."

      You claim to know a lot about Zogby. All we know about you is that you are a bigoted racist pig. Of what relevance is Zogby's ethnic ancestry?
    • Groovydoo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4I don't see how the desire to leave Iraq has anything to do with wanting to leave the armed forces. For those serving bravely the armed forces is not just a career but a calling. A noble calling!!!

      However, when you have a Commander in Chief who placed you, a soldier, in harms way under imaginary circumstances; (ie WMDs, Sadam is about to car pool with Al Qaeada, Saddam is building nukes, harboring terrorists), how can you tolerate, justify, explain away all of these lies and believe you are serving inside Iraq for noble purposes!!!

      I want the soldiers home, and George W. Bush sent to jail for what he has done to all our fallen warriors and those wounded men and women, for wounded is a de facto euphemism for single, double or triple amputee. Don't get me started on the burn victims or the innocents.

      Support Bush/Cheney impeachment for our soldier's sake! (BTW, I am a conservative)
    • brundlefly76, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I dont know why soldiers polled while at war wanting to come home is a surprise to anyone.
      Of course they want to come home!
      DUH!

    • DildoOreilly, on 10/12/2007, -7/+760 MILLION VOTERS; 8,500 ENLISTMENTS

      60 million Americans voted for George W. Bush in November 2004 but only 8,500 have managed to ENLIST in the US Army or Marines since then.

      As a DIRECT result, our troops are STRANDED in Iraq without replacements and are stop-lossed from leaving.

      So why the disconnect? I guess you cons are starting to figure out that meaningless symbolism is about the limit of your support.

      I have an idea, after the majority of GOP leadership are indicted and removed from office, we should force a mandatory draft for all republicans who squealed and whined our way into this Iraq disaster. We should ship all vocal proponents of the war, people who supported it without question, out to Iraq immediately so they will have no choice but to be personally held responsible for their actions.
    • FunkyNuts, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@madmonk

      "You don't have to pay rent, power, water, garbage, etc."

      I'm not sure if you've served, brother, but I feel the need to correct your erroneous statement. You don't pay rent, power, water, or garbage IF you live on base/post. The reason for that is you forfeit your housing allowance. When you live on the economy, you get a meager allowance to cover rent (which often times is far more than your allowance), and then you cough up the power, water, and garbage out of pocket.

      Furthermore, the reason we even get a housing allowance is because we sacrifice the large paychecks we would get if we were working on the economy. Each year, the military issues a financial statement called the "Military Statement of Compensation" which gives a ballpark figure of what your benefits are worth if you were making (better) money on the economy working alongside people like Wordy (see above). No one joins the military to get rich, that's for sure. I have a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science and an MBA, yet I make approximately 1/2 what I could on the economy. Why do I continue to work for such a pittance? Call it corny, but I do it out of a sense of duty. I serve because I'm proud to say I did it.

      So in a sense, the money we sacrifice in pay is what is used to pay for all the things you and Wordy think we're taking "on the dole". A sad fact is, many (enlisted) military families make little more than the poverty line. Don't believe me? Our paychecks are available for public review here: http://www.dod.mil/dfas/militarypay/2006militarypaytables.html. Try raising two children on an E-3's pay.
    • psitech, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4@ Dildo
      "60 MILLION VOTERS; 8,500 ENLISTMENTS"
      "60 million Americans voted for George W. Bush in November 2004 but only 8,500 have managed to ENLIST in the US Army or Marines since then."

      Where the hell did you get your information? You are either just plain stupid or possibly misinformed.
    • psitech, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5@ Dildo

      You've proven yourself to be a liberal sheep that regurgitates information without taking the time to research something for yourself. Pathetic!

      Fiscal 2007 Enlisted Recruiting from October 1, 2006 - March 31, 2007:
      Army - 33,953
      Navy - 15,750
      Marine Corps - 13,629
      Air Force - 13,487
    • volacide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6With absolutely no disrespect to our troops...

      But don't about 90% of all people want out of their jobs?

      I mean lets face it, these people signed up for this, they're getting a whole lot of benefits from joining the military but also by getting those benefits there was that possibility of going to war. That may seem like a really harsh way of thinking of things, but it's just the way it is.

      Hell, who wouldn't want to come home if it meant you didn't have to continue to bust your ass?
    • omnithought, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7The reason they go back is to fight next to the people who became their brothers. They don't ***** want to be there, they just feel a duty to have their friends' backs.
    • gklitt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Why are they still there? Because the way the military works isn't that soldiers get to choose where they go. If militaries were democratic like that they would never get anything done.
    • GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Of course people want to get out of Iraq...that's kind of the point. I'm surprised it's not 100% of the people, why would America need troops there in 2050? The goal of the Iraq War is to create a stable society for the incredibly turbulent Middle East.

      I think that this is more of a pro-war thing. when 71% of the soldiers in a war want to stay in a war, that's a pretty high number. How many troops wanted to stay in combat in WWII or Vietnam? Much less. Those wars were truly hellish, whilst Iraq seems more like a peacekeeping operation. 600,000 Shi'ites and Sunnis killed by other Shi'ites and Sunnis, but less than ten thousand total troops on both sides dead. It makes sense for Americans to stay there and at least provide an incentive for the religious extremists NOT to attack eachother.

      Iraq is a much "cleaner" war, and I think that immedeatly pulling out of Iraq would further increase the civil war. The majority of bombings and firefights are not directed at Americans, but instead are directed at members of a different sect of your religion. Leaving Iraq would cause a true civil war.
    • BarneyF, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Who cares anyway? The point to the war is not to provide entertainement or a career opportunity to soldiers. The point must be to further the national interest in some way.

      Obviously the government has a duty to protect the soldiers and provide for them, but its not up to them to decide whether we should e at war.

      Dugg down as unconstitutional ;-)
    • Yokohamalion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Like this means alot. I'd like to leave work early too.
    • Orlong, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4We would have been out a long time ago if it werent for the democrats and anti war hippies. If we would fight this war like we fought all the others prior to Vietnam it would have been over in a year or less. We need to just go in there and wipe Iraq clean instead of picking and choosing who gets shot, only firing if fired upon, etc... In world war II we just dropped atomic bombs and wiped everyone out. It was over quick and easy and we won. That is how you fight a war you dont second guess everything, that is what gets our brave soldiers killed. As far as how many died I think 3000 in 5 years isnt that bad when you consider we probably lost 500,000 in the civil war. Every one of those that died made a great sacrifice and most would probably do it again.
    • Cerialthriller, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"I think you might be surprised to know that most of our men and women over there are not only smarter than you, but have experience that hundreds of thousands of employers would absolutely love for their employees to have."

      I call *****. Post Traumatic Stress is not something that is good for employers and its something that around 40% of those who have seen combat will develop. Employers like ex-military personnel yes, but not combat experienced ones. A lot of times they are not mentally stable when they come back.
    • sgglynn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@MaxK
      "I believe this poll 100%"
      Made up statistic, prove it
    • diggmetohell, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1http://digg.com/political_opinion/Bury_RAWSTORY_THINKPROGRESS_and_CROOKSANDLIARS
    • road945, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is it still possible some deployed army members chose to re-enlist and get a bonus vs. getting stop-loss'ed (forced to return to duty with no bonus as they didn't volunteer)?

      I'm thinking for some, it's less of "I want to be here!" and more of a "I'm screwed, I might as well get the most I can since my life is in danger!" In other words, do re-enlistment rates really equate to a desire to be there?

      http://usmilitary.about.com/od/deploymentsconflicts/a/stoploss.htm



  • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 10/12/2007, -30/+35Thats right, we are just retards who can't hack it in the "real world."

    Go ***** yourself, and don't even think about pretending that care about us for one second. We don't want to victimized by elitist pieces of garbage like you.
    • WordyRappington, on 10/12/2007, -50/+14I never said I cared about you.

      The military is all volunteer. No one is forcing you to be in it. The military is also a job that carries with it great risk of death or major injury. It also involves killing other people. Rational people with other choices would make those other choices. People with educations and marketable skills don't usually enlist in the military and go off to occupy foreign countries, risk death and kill people. So one of two possibilities must be true. People in the military don't have the education and skills necessary to make it in the private economy, or they like killing other people. I suspect its usually a combination of the two.

      Either way, I never pretended to care about you or what you want. If you want to occupy Iraq, go ahead. Just stop stealing from decent people to pay for it. Do it on your own dime.
    • lifeandtimes, on 10/12/2007, -13/+70@Wordy

      Most people join the Guard so they can afford to go to college. People join the full time military to do the same thing. People also join the military because there are many jobs within it that allow you to come out of the military with skills to immediately start a job in the civilian world. You could join the military and become a mechanic for vehicles or even aircraft. You could join and go into military nursing and than get out and become whatever kind of nurse in the civilian world you wanted to. There's journalism in the military, military police have the ability to become police on the outside fairly easily. Those jobs are all for stupid people though, right? Well, you can join the Air force and become a meteorologist. I thought about this and decided against it, but was told by someone who did that just doing the military's weather training you satisfy many of the requirements for a meteorology college degree. Not every freaking job in the military is about killing people. Oh, and many of the military's training will also count as college credit. Since I went to basic training and the second phase of training in the army guard, I know have around 13 credits that count towards electives at a major university.

      As for the officer branches in the military, I couldn't think of a better thing to put in a resume than that I commanded large groups of people over many years under extremely stressful situations.

      BTW, most people in the military DO NOT like killing people, or occupying other countries. I would think this poll would be obvious evidence of that.

      So, take your generalizations and high minded BS and shove it.
    • WordyRappington, on 10/12/2007, -35/+12@lifeandtimes

      So you're saying the military is basically a job training/welfare scheme? That was my point too.

      Plenty of people achieve all those careers you talked about without joining the military and participating in mass death and destruction.
    • hdtvdust, on 10/12/2007, -13/+20lifeandtimes...don't give us this "I joined for the free college" *****. People VOLUNTEERED knowing full well what it might mean. Especially in the last 6 years. There are lots of ways to pay for college.
    • lifeandtimes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@hdtvdust
      Yes, I realize that. What I was trying to say is that contrary to what Wordy believes all the people in the military are not idiots who are useless outside the military. Also, I was saying that people join the military to learn things they can use outside of the military.

      I joined because I like feeling that I'm doing something for my country, to pay for school, and to improve my confidence (which it did). People do join for more than just one reason, usually anyways.
    • nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7just because people join the army to go to college doesn't mean they should. When you sign up for the army you know what you're getting into and if you aren't prepared for it, you never should have signed up.
    • ThatsPopetastic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Not every job in the military is about killing people...I'm about to enter the airforce, for what I admit free housing, food, and college. I'm also getting training in what is supposed to be a really high in demand job right now (working with computers and networking). Which is why their giving me 50k upfront tax free if I reenlist. That being said, every time I tell someone that I'm going into the airforce for some reason everyone assumes I'm going in as a pilot. Only 8% of people in the airforce are pilots. And even a smaller percentage pilot planes for the sole objective killing people. And from what I hear Soldiers don't make up the larger percentage of the army. Which makes your generalization that everyone in the military kills people very wrong.

      Also not everyone has the money to go to college.
    • WordyRappington, on 10/12/2007, -19/+850k up front tax free? Wow. I had no idea they were offering that. No wonder re-enlistment is up. And where does that 50k come from? It comes out of my pocket and the pocket of every American that has a real job and produces real wealth in the real economy. So while some of you in the military think you are doing something for your country, in fact you are making the rest of us much poorer. So the government steals our money to pay these outrageous bonuses, and then it sends you to invade and occupy a foreign country, thereby increasing the risk to our personal security, and you guys are still so puffed up on BS propaganda that you actually believe you are doing something for us. In fact you are engaged in a conspiracy against the public interest. From the standpoint of the well-being of the average American, everything you do is negative.
    • SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14WordyRemington, you are displaying a great deal of ignorance about the US military.

      All military officers have college degrees, and many of the jobs they do (especially intelligence, aviation, engineering, and countless other jobs) are extremely competitive, often refusing applicants that get jobs in the private sector. Few private jobs require the discipline, academic performance, and physical fitness of many officer positions.
      Enlisted personnel in general do not have a college degree, although this is far from always being the case, and are in no way incapable of a "normal" job. The people I have known who enlisted could certainly have done many different things.

      Is it so hard for you to accept that some people join because they want to serve? Additionally, just because someone signs up to defend their nation does not mean their life should be wasted. They are offering their lives to protect us; we should not just throw theirs away for no reason.
    • KhyberPass, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Shut up ya retard hack.
    • mercerman54, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Go ***** yourself @wordy. I have a college Degree and ENLISTED in the United States Marine Corps. I have wasted a few people in my day, I can't say I enjoyed but you gotta do what you can to get home. Funny thing, the people that do nothing are most of the ones who don't want us to do anything.
    • noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Wordy, you don't like where you taxes are going? ***** leave the country. They aren't stealling ***** out of your pocket.

      You sound like every other lazy useless scumbag I have ever met.
    • TruthKid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@Wordy

      Does it really bother you that much that those of us who enlisted to fight for our country get rewarded for being the type of people willing to die for our country? I manage/configure/maintain networks of 300+ work stations, 12 servers, and 30 or so Cisco 3800s. You know who paid for my Cisco certifications? You did. You know who paid my $25,000 bonus for staying in another 3 years? You did. Do I feel guilty for recieving tax payers money? Not by a long shot. Everyone has the chance to serve their country and reap the benefits. Whether or not the war is right or wrong and a waste of tax payers money, thats what our elected officials are there for to decide and adjust. All voters are responsible for those put in office. The US Military is solely responsible for following the orders given to us by our superiors. When I retire at the age of 38 and join the rest of you in the work force and have a job only to kill time, I can look back at my first 20 years outside the nest and realize that the man with the right pace always finishes first.
  • TheLoneWolf071, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17I think they want out not because they feel that the war is going bad, but because they were said to be deployed XX number of months, but because of the anti-war effort and a ton of negative press less people are joining, less are getting the money and supply's they need, those deployed for XX months are now having to stay there several months longer, creating more fatigue, etc.
  • kenvsryu, on 10/12/2007, -14/+20Nothing new, a lot of people hate their jobs. I bet if you ask all Wal-mart employees the number wouldn't be far off.
    • hdtvdust, on 10/12/2007, -15/+13You'd actaully be wrong about Walmart employees. One of the highest employee satisfaction ratings of any company.
    • DarkReign16, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17Yeah, but Wal-Mart employees job's aren't in vain, and they don't have to worry about the next customer detonating a bomb.
    • ecorona, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I really don't think U.S. Soldiers are simply tired of their job the way a wal-mart worker would be. I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that they are fighting under the command of people who "don't know what the hell they're doing" to quote a U.S. general offered the job of War Czar (this way they could blame the war czar for and democrats for the war in Iraq).
    • shampoovta, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9 Wallmart?

      What the heck are you talking about? Did you just compare Wallmart to a war?!!
    • kenvsryu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3@darkreign16
      You mean soldiers don't know they might have to go to war?
      @ecorona
      Everyone hate's their boss.
    • DarkReign16, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Of course they know they might have to go to war ken, but usually when we fight wars, they are fought for a reason. This war was started for no reason, and as soon as Bush learned that he was wrong (which was really before the war...) we should have left. Also, kids are dying daily for no reason, and no one knows what to do about it. It is like waiting for your turn to be blown up, what a terrible ***** existence, get them out of there now.
  • Ubergoober3, on 10/12/2007, -14/+9That's a really confusing title.
    • duggudown, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1379% of troops want out of iraq, 29% of those want out now...
    • themastersb, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4That's 101% together!..... but they're 2 entirely different things. Maybe that's what he meant?
    • SuperFarStucker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"of those" implies a 'subset' of the population and as such the proper operator is multiplication. .79*.29 ~= .23, and I'm one of those 23%.
  • hdtvdust, on 10/12/2007, -18/+8So say rawstory. So...not true at all.
    • allatti2d, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4hdtvdust -

      RTA. RawStory is reporting the zogby poll, a reliable polling source.
      You can see the data here: http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075

      And to others -

      I was ready to join the military the day after 9/11, but unfortunately at that time I was too old and too crippled for their standards. By the time the government was getting desparate to recruit a few years later because the truth of the Iraq war crimes were coming out, they had lowered their standards so that I could have joined, but by that time I had heard enough to know that as many of us as possible are needed here at home to protect us from the next attack -- the attack that is coming due to GWB's ridiculous foreign policies.

      I have a son-in-law in Iraq on his 2nd tod, and apparently many of our military are unclear about the U.S. "mission" in Iraq, which is devastating. I am very proud of him, and very frightened for him. If he is killed or injured, his blood will forever be on the Bush Regime's hands, just as the many thousands of others are.
    • shaghouri, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2@allatttid

      I completely agree with your point of view...

      To make things worse, I just noted that the survey is over a year old (February 2006). I don't recall any positive thing happening over the past 12 months, so I can only assume that our troops would either have maintained their beliefs (as of last years) or that they grew more disappointed and frustrated with how the war is being managed.

      If the war was built on top of lies and fabrications, then how can we expect it to suddenly become properly structured and managed. If we are working towards a moving target of "what is the real mission", then why should expect an orderly way of moving towards that target.. It is a shame...
  • Hegemony, on 10/12/2007, -9/+10Now who's "supporting the troops"? Seems to me everyone that's been saying we should stay there are going against the troops.
  • djiivu, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11this poll is from over a year ago.
    • cwbike, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Poll States troops want to leave by year's end. That is 2006. Poll Also states that over 58% believe that the mission is clear, & 98% believe the ONLY reason we are there is to revenge 9/11? WTF?
  • Adwt0125, on 10/12/2007, -17/+9BURIED! Look when this article was published...
    • gmarks, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14Then it has only gotten worse....
    • cupofjoe, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2DUGG! Scroll down and look when it was updated...
  • cleffyowns, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Of course they would want out; no troop would want to stay IN a war area.
    • allatti2d, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4cleffyowns -

      WRONG.

      A just war is proudly fought by U.S. troops who love their country. I am extremely proud of my soldiers, my marines, my armed forces, and what they stand for. They are doing the right thing as far as they are concerned, because they were told they were fighting a just war, and they are right to believe it. The politicians and the Bush Regime are the ones who should be held accountable for lying to the American Public and to our family in the military, causing death and devastation to our loved ones for Bush/Cheney's own selfish gains.

    • TruthKid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ Cleffy

      I would easily swap places with someone to go back to Iraq. Putting aside the obvious factors of stress, death, etc... it was one of the few places that seemed like what I did mattered. Stateside, us active soldiers train for war. The majority of us have no real role while in CONUS. However deployed every action you do determines whether your buddy on your left and right comes back home with you. The sense of accomplishment and duty you feel while in combat cannot be compared to anything.
  • thpeyton, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7oh ***** I thought they would want to stay and be ***** killed!
  • TimeIsTissue, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2Bury this comment please
  • EternalBlunts, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7Get those troops the ***** out then.
  • Joshua, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5"72% of Troops Want Out of Iraq, 29% Now!"

    Who wouldn't want to leave a war zone? I'd much rather be home with my family as well. These numbers are lame.
    • oyourmom, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Then bring there god damn ass's home!
  • InsultComedy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Rawstory didn't do the poll. Zogby did.

    "The poll was conducted by Zogby International and is the first poll to examine the attitudes of those currently serving in the wartorn nation."
  • Jiggles1875, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2I think these stats are *****. How many people do you think want to go take a chance at dying?

    edit: Joshua beat me to it.
    • allatti2d, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Jiggles -

      Please see my comment above. Your statement is what sets you apart from our military. It's insulting for anyone to say our troops don't want to fight, don't want to put their lives on the line for our country, which is what they believe they are doing. I don't think they should be there, because this "war" is a load of *****. But they haven't been told that; they don't know all that we know.

      By making this comment, you are also degrading those who have heroically died to save their fellow soldiers, of whom there are many.
  • cupofjoe, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4this probably means that 79% of them hope to succeed within a year. They're probably just trying to make it seem like they want out, success or not.
  • SkittlesUSA, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11If I was a troop and my congress was intentionally depriving me of money and supplies I needed to do my job, I would want to leave as well.

    But I'll probably get dugg down.
    • sjbdallas, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7I dug you up but I buried this whole story as innacurate.
      The headline of course attempts to be inflammatory to make it sound like they just want out. The details say something completely different since the reason is they want out is because of the lack of support with more troops to fight the insurgency.
      No one seems to want to recognize that wars cannot be fought when everything the troops do is micromanaged, monday morning quarterbacked, and covered by a media with the goal of making the US look bad.
    • nomadxx7, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5The question I have is why are all polls (well most I assume) seem so vague at best. The soldiers want out of Iraq.... does this mean (a) they want out because they oppose the war (b) they want out because they aren't getting the supplies they require (c) they have been there for more months possibly tied to (b)

      I just think that a specific question on a poll would serve the general public a hell of a lot better than a question that can be spun and wrapped around to make it sound like pretty much anything anyone wants.

      Not to sound like a douchebag but people on here say that they are saying the soldiers want out because they don't have the supplies while others say it shows they don't support the war for what it is. If we look at these it looks like a pro-war vs anti-war poll question where both sides can use it to their advantage.

      I'd like to see a Why? at the end of these polls and get a generalization of the soldiers thoughts versus a simple yes or no question

      I'd also be happy if digg set up their comment system like a pro/con section on some of these submissions
    • gfbarr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Only because of inaccuracy. Congress is giving more support than even the prez asked for -
    • sn0re, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If you were a troop, you'd be a military unit consistent of 3-4 platoons, each of them consisting of about 30-50 soldiers.

      Sadly, that's not the most absurd part of your comment...
  • dattaway, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4If we lived in a Democracy, we'd have a vote. Problem solved.
    • p51d007, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6The problem with your comment is that we have NEVER lived in a democracy. We live in a representative republic.
      The founding fathers fought REALLY HARD to make sure we were not a pure democracy. A pure democracy is
      "mob rule". Depending on which way the wind is blowing would be how you would govern. We elect people to
      "represent" us (although, most of the time, I think they are representing lobbyist).
    • SkittlesUSA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8We don't live in a democracy. We live in a constitutional republic. As such, we elect representatives to carry out our needs.
    • djiivu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0*direct democracy

      (edit: beaten to it)
  • deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3So I guess 72% of the troops hate themselves.
  • tackt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1That's a really dumb poll in my opinion. That's like posing a situational chance of death, or the option to get out, which would you take?
  • dheaddy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5They're there to liberate the oppressed, eliminate the insurgents and vanquish evil
    Oh yeah and the oil too.
    • AmericanEmpire, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Welcome to the real world my friend. We do not live in a utopia. If we were not in Iraq as you have stated for oil, someone else would be there, like hmmm China perhaps. Have you ever heard of Survival of the fittest? This is the way of capitalism, the same capitalism that have brought you youtube, myspace, digg, Macdonald, wealth which enables democracy. As we all know, a nation cannot sustain demorcracy with out wealth. America's wealth was generated from capitalism. ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE BY EXPLOITING THE WEAK. HUMAN HISTORY 101. LEARN IT.
  • gl77, on 03/31/2008, -3/+7Free College Education? Hardly. At my job (ironically I work at Wal-Mart), there are at least 5 people I can think of off of the top of my head who are ex military, discharged within the last 3 years.....I always wondered why the hell they are working at wal mart and not attending their "free college" or have better jobs because they graduated and have a "free college education" then I found this site, which explains the whole catch behind the "free college education" that lowlife recruiters shove down the throats of America's youth.

    http://www.objector.org/before-you-enlist/gi-bill.html
    • noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Yeah... that link is full of crap.

      First off, the ads tell you you could earn UP TO $70,000 for college. Which is 100% true you can earn the $34k Montgomery GI fund and a Army/Navy Scholarship.

      Requiring an honorable discharge? Is that a problem? Basically don't do something to get yourself kicked out.

      Requiring you to contribute $1200 dollars? Damn I wish I had that option. That is a damned good return on your investment.

      How dare we require anyone to do some work in exchange for a free ride.
    • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Totally inaccurate. I get my tuition paid about for twice. Once at the beginning of the semester (FTA), and once at the end of the semester (tuition reimbursement. Plus I get $650 cash a month while going to school full time (as a guardsmen who has been deployed). Plus I got 20k of student loans they paid off when I reenlisted.
    • gl77, on 03/31/2008, -2/+0The point is, damn near ALL kids who see these slick advertisements and see the recruiters and talk to them (WAAAAAAY better than any car salesmen I have ever run across), ALL they hear is "70,000 to pay for college" and they tell all their friends "hey join the military and they will pay for your college!" they see these people on the commercials sitting behind computers looking all technical and working on jets and they think "ohhh AWESOME!!! I am SO going to DO THAT!!!!!" they sign their free will away to the government in exchange for getting screamed at for 17 hours a day, marching day and night, being treated like total *****, and having to do whatever the man with the bigger ***** says.. Granted, if the military advertised what these kids would REALLY be getting into, we wouldn't have a military. No one is that dumb.
  • ATHEISTinHELL, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8are you saying Sean Hannity lied to me?....
  • WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -15/+6Why are they complaining? Troops are getting out of Iraq...and each one that comes home gets a free flag and a big wooden box, to keep.

    I hope these poor kids start realizing that their whole willingness to participate in any military organization run by a centralized federal government....was a really bad decision.
    Shouldn't they have gotten a hint by the brutal way they were being treated in boot camp, as they were being taught to kill people, or do anything else, without question, when someone gives them an order?
    The constitution, and the very formation of the US, was about '50 sovereign states', and NOT about an enormously powerful and independent federal entity with its own armies!

    Sorry, kids, but you have been used as pawns...by a government that, recalling the words of Henry Kissinger, sees you as animals to be used for anything.
    Why do you think they prey on the young? It's like the 'Hitler-youth.' Get them while they are young, before they can offer a sufficient counter argument. It is the same sleazy tactics used by most of the organized religions -- .begin to control people while they are young, and still easily overpowered by authority figures.

    If all the kids in the military decided to actually follow their oath to defend the constitution, they would have already, personally, gone after the war criminals who are behind Abu-ghraib, Guantanamo, the suspension of habeas corpus.....and especially,k the war criminals currently occupying the white house!

    You're supposed to protect and defend the CONSTITUTION...not just blindly follow any orders barked at you!
    • Raidenwolf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@ Water

      WOW people that studied law their whole lives still have debates over the constitution, and you want 125,000 troops to follow their interpretation of the constitution.

      >>Shouldn't they have gotten a hint by the brutal way they were being treated in boot camp.
      Marine basic camp is fine as long as you want to be there. This phase is known as deconstruction.
      >>as they were being taught to kill people, or do anything else, without question, when someone gives them an order?
      That someone is to be a superior and anything else well that only falls under legal acts (Not Abu-ghraib). And it's called survival training

      the rest you spewed was pure garbage except for war criminals who are behind Abu-ghraib, those soldiers had every right and duty to refuse treating prisoners that way, so yes they had broke the law there.
  • CourtesyFlush, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6This story is from well over a year ago and it has zero business on the front page.

    Please, find something current or ***** the hell off with your stale little circle jerks.
  • stappawho, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5I'm doubt that is accurate.

    And besided, it's not up to them anyways.
    • mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Do you doubt that it's accurate just because you dont want it to be true?
    • shampoovta, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3 Yea who cares what the troops think unless it benefits the president.

  • WWKayaker, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7In other news.....

    98% of workers at my company want to leave work early every day.....

    This is crazy, why do they work full days? We need congressional action NOW!! Free the workers!
  • ironpirate, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8The survey included 944 military respondents interviewed at several undisclosed locations throughout Iraq. Wow what a large survey. I bet most werent even soldiers. Liberal propaganda!
    • rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Google Zogby, fool. They are not a liberal organization, they are a leading public opinion polling company with an impressive track record. Also, you should bother to read up on basic statistics and sampling.
    • BarneyF, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0944 is a large sample. You need to study up on statistics if you don't understand this.
  • PainCompliance, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13"Most people in the military probably don't have the skills or education to succeed in private business or normal jobs, so its not surprising that they would re-enlist once they get used to that government paycheck."

    I have a masters degree. I am also in the Army National Guard after 6 years active duty. I had a 17 year career in Law Enforcement. I now work in surgery. Go ***** yourself you elitist piece of *****. The newest private just out of basic is a better man than you could ever dream of being.

    944 Soldiers out of 100,000+ currently deployed, hardly a representative sample. That's less than 1% of the troops currently in the ITO.
    • rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2You are ignorant of polling methodology and basic statistics, which, to a degree, refutes your claims of academic credentials and higher education.

      Any high school student knows to check information at the source:
      http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075

      The credibility of said source, their non-partisan nature and their impressive track record is readily available to anyone who can Google. So is basic information about sample sizes, error margins, and other basics of public opinion polling.

      I would be frightened to have someone so ignorant about basic science and critical thinking skills perform surgery on me, or work in the justice system.

      You *can* Googe, can't you? Or are all your advanced degrees getting in the way of basic common sense and personal integrity?
  • brianm76, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0Wow, another survey coming up with obvious results. How many people would actaully want to be there? Not very many I'm sure. This is commone knowledge. Didn't need a survey or a post about the survey for this. Pointless.
  • jetboyterp, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7This is the most BS "poll" I've seen since the Lancet "study" on Iraqi casualties...The Left is off it's rocker more than usual with THIS piece of crud...Explain then why most troops in Iraq voluntarily sign on for second and third tours...
    • rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Check the survey at it source.
      http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
      Zogby is a prominent, credible, non-partisan polling organization with an impressive track record (Google them for yourself).
      You may not like the evidence, but attacking the messenger is misguided and illogical.
  • jayunsplanet, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1No duh they want out! They are living it.
  • glitchbit, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10I swear digg was a lot better before it became over populated with immature people.

    When Someone Who Has Actually Gone to This War Comments Show Him Respect and Do Not Bury Him.

    I wish those who stand up for nothing and talk against those who do didn't get the benefits of those who stand up for their country. Maybe then they would understand the reality we live in, in that the lack of action can be even more devastating, but by that time it'd be too late and they will cost many more lives than what was necessary to begin with.

    Yes I know, you're about to hit the bury button. Good for you. You've taken a stand for censorship, but wait that is only because you're superior than us who have an opposing view right, no matter what our background or experiences are? So that is ok.

    I am not saying this to everyone and I welcome different views and opinions, but lets try and keep digg fair and balanced.
    • allatti2d, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Fair and balanced...
      You mean like FOX News?
    • BarneyF, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1People who have been to war DO NOT have any more right to "respect" or to express an opinion than anyone else. One man one vote.
  • swrostmore, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6The troops need to start supporting our troops, am i rite
  • digbird, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I'm very skeptical about this poll. I find myself wondering how many service people were asked by the pollsters and were essentially told to "stuff it" as opposed to those who were willing to participate? I have a strong feeling that this is not a representative sample...that the service people who took the poll were much more likely to be malcontents.

    I also think that the fact that a bunch of soldiers want to get out of Iraq soon is not surprising. For most soldiers, being in Iraq probably is really unpleasant. But that doesn't mean that they are opposed to the mission.

    Finally, I love the idiotic statements like the one immediately above that indicate that they would welcome a mutiny by the US military provided it was done to serve their particular viewpoint.
    • allatti2d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't totally agree, but I like the comment. Dugg up for good discussion points.
  • Fredtheviking, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Buried for not really being noteworthy news. It not a surprise that enlisted men would not want to stay in Iraq and run the risk of being carbombed, shoot, kill, or mulated. If I dugg down, I just assume you are all nuts.
  • englishganxta, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Another response to the question, "Why are they still there?"

    They are still there because you simply can not leave a country, for outbreaks of violence and civil war will occur, along with the established government falling to a premature end.

    Once you're there, there is no turning back until the job is done.
  • m00dy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Digg me down or whatever.

    Anybody who willingly joins the military knows what they signed up for. I dunno like did they think they can get all the benefits in the world and stay home doing push-ups?

    If you become a drug dealer, you know what your doing. If you decide to work at Burger King you know what your up for. If you decide you want to study and get a degree and be a corporate slave you know what you getting your self into.

    I'm tired of people complaining.
    • pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7i don't know how many times this has to be said until you guys understand this. they signed up to defend this country, even if it means giving their life. but to put them in harms way for the sake of increasing the profits of the contractors is the ultimate disrespect to the people who serve in our armed forces.
    • shampoovta, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3

      Drug dealer = troops?!!

      OMG.
    • allatti2d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3pintomp3 -

      I wish I can digg you up more than just once!!!!!

      Well said, and the TRUTH.
  • Cutkomp, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Someone, or something, is on a Raw Story burying rampage, we are talking like a 75-100 in the last minute or two.
    • CourtesyFlush, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5STALE story is more like it.

      This needs to be buried. It's outdated and only being promoted through Pavlovian knee jerking at the site of certain buzz words.

      I buried it and I think most sane people are burying it as well.

      Making it into some sort of conspiracy is typical of the type of person who thinks ancient propaganda is important.
  • nathanstarr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6This is stupid, who wouldn't want to come home? Every soldier in every war wanted to go home, whether they agreed with it or not.
  • EliteMacFreak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Why are we still there? Because we're not a direct democracy (like skittleusa said). The reason why we've had so much success where other countries either blow up or fade away is because the masterminds who laid the framework of our government were pretty doubtful about the wisdom of a crowd.

    Humans are fickle. One day we want one thing, and then we learn a little more and want something completely different. That's why we elect people whose sole job it is to understand the situation and do what they think is best for the country.

    For what it's worth, I think that what we're doing in Iraq is a good thing. Whether or not it's worth the lives, time, and money that we've spent on it is a debate that you can't really do online--the issue is too complex.
  • Niirs, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11I am in the military (Air Force) and believe this poll is 100% accurate. Everyone I know wants to get out of Iraq, NOW! I know a lot of people in the Army and the feelings are... people who are married with a family 90% want out. Single without family 40% want out (just because they guys are making huge bank to be deployed there).

    Funny how some Diggers actually believe that people 'want' to sign up for a 2nd and 3rd tour in Iraq. That is only the 10% of our young military members who are banking the money and have no family to miss or worry about. The other 90% of the military is pissed about this crappy occupation that is going nowhere and if we leave in 1 year or 10 the result will be the same. We are just wasting our time and all of your money in that country. That is troops supporting troops, Bring them home....
    • kcasper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I suspect you will be dugg down, just like that person up top that pointed out that reenlisting in the armed forces isn't an automatic vote for staying in Iraq.
    • McJeff, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4I dugg him down because for every one troop that claims he wants to come home, there's at least 10 that claim they think they're doing a good job and want to stay long enough to win - and all of them hate the liberals who put words in their mouths.
    • jragon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5"and all of them hate the liberals who put words in their mouths."

      ...said the guy who put words in their mouths.
  • alex626av, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1#1
    Reporter:Mr.President when is the war going to end
    President: I'll put it simple for all you gamers out there, the war will end When DNF is released

    #2
    Reporter:Mr.President when is the war going to end
    President:"When its done"
  • ruddy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2this poll is bs cuz they didnt ask the marines.
  • klawz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Gee, I suppose if you polled them if they wanted/needed more money you could theoretically deduct they have a much higher chance of robbing a bank too huh? These types of polls are what I call "spun" - they spin the truth, as usual. The whole worlds news is spun to death now-a-days, you can't believe ***** anymore. Just because they "want to go home", doesn't mean, if given the opportunity, they would. Someone using more than 2-3 brain cells, and that can think w/o the crappy propaganda belief system known as the U.S. Media, can figure this out.
  • LibertyOrDeath, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3I guess it's a good thing that we don't make policy decisions based on what some moronic 19 year old kids want.
    • CourtesyFlush, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Wait until summer.

      It will be like this all the time while school is out.

      No Monday reprieves from the kiddie surge.
  • crashflow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3How dare these troops over at Iraq not support the troops over at Iraq?!?
  • geekee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Story is over a year old. Feb 2006.
    • rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4The war is even older. And old men still send young men to die.

      Your point?
    • yanked, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0The point is, most of the commenters here are under the misapprehension that this is a new poll, not a news article from over a year ago.

      Whether that affects your interpretation of the results is up to the individual, but people should be aware of this fact.
  • keithburgun, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4www.mikegravel08.com - he's the only candidate running who wants out NOW... there may be a couple others as well actually. but not the top tier ones.
    • noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4One more person for my "no way in hell" list.
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