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- whereiseljefe, on 04/02/2008, -34/+334Has it occurred to any gun control advocates that criminals aren't really concerned about the legality of possessing a firearm?
Gun control legislation and taxes only hurts 1 group of people: the law abiding citizens. - z987k, on 04/02/2008, -27/+231"safe zones" - schools, colleges, malls, anywhere a shooter is sure they won't get shot back at.
That is, safe for the criminals at least. - freedomwv, on 04/02/2008, -109/+289I remember saying to at many of my friends the day the VT shooting happened that if the student had been allowed to have guns on campus no one would had to die except that psycho nut Cho.
- inactive, on 04/02/2008, -24/+178It seems almost certain his first two victims (in the dorm) would not have been saved and it is probable he would have assaulted some in the class building before students / faculty with CCWs could react, but I would bet my life the death toll would have been reduced by 50 to 90%.
- sayeo, on 04/02/2008, -15/+132It's sad that people have to actually carry guns at school just to protect themselves...
- cricketsymphony, on 04/02/2008, -13/+124if we criminalize ______, only the criminals will have _______.
- inactive, on 04/02/2008, -31/+137If everyone has guns I'd be less likely to shoot someone because I'd get shot for sure.
- laserblazer, on 04/02/2008, -15/+118Blaming a tool for the dark nature of Man is a child's argument. Who would fault a man for carrying a weapon in the wilderness for fear of dangerous predators? Humans are their own worst predators - draw your own conclusions.
- inactive, on 04/02/2008, -12/+83John Lott's "More Guns, Less Crime" which is a rigorous statistical analysis of EVERY county in the US, comparing legal firearms ownership to crime. WITHOUT EXCEPTION, those jurisdictions with the least restrictions (highest legal ownership) have the least crime - AND VICE VERSA. Lott undertook his study in an effort to bolster his belief that gun control is a good thing. The FACTS, however proved the opposite.
In Texas and Florida, the passage of Concealed Carry legislation was fought and denounced with the same baseless logic you've employed. Instead of increased havoc, violent crimes dropped and there have been none involving licensees. - aiyo, on 04/02/2008, -50/+116Knowing how much I drank in college, I think this is totally retarded.
- omgitsfletch, on 04/02/2008, -14/+76Yea, only letting the psychos have them works a lot better. Just remember that if you're ever in a situation like this, you'll be wishing that the law-abiding student next to you who is well trained in firearms had been allowed to bring his weapon to college and stop the threat.
- Spuy767, on 04/02/2008, -26/+82Anti-gun rules are an invitation for gun violence. Gun aws might be a bit lax, but a propery trained responsible citizen with a firearm to protect his or herself can be an asset with the ***** hits the fan. The police may be able to be there in a few minutes, but I can draw and shoot in a few seconds.
- inactive, on 04/02/2008, -31/+86Gun freedom decreases crime. In Switzerland, the government gives out fully automatic assault rifles to all persons in the military, and the gun becomes their property. They take it home. Switzerland has just about the lowest violent crime rate in the world. Culturally similar Germany has 1 of the highest, and guess what, stricter gun laws.
When they banned guns in Australia, violent crime shot up 50% in the following 12 months!!!!
Similar stories in Great Britain, South Africa, Jamaica, etc.
When firearms are used by citizens for self defense, 2 percent of the shootings end up involving an innocent person mistaken as a criminal. When firearms are used by police, 11 percent of the shootings end up involving an innocent person mistaken as a criminal.
VIRGINIA TECH could have been PREVENTED ..law that requires citizens to own guns, relaying a police officer's observations that crime dropped after the law passed. Lieutenant Graydon, Kennesaw PD: "Well, after the city ordinance passed, there was actually a decrease in reported crime in the Kennesaw area, especially especially violent crime.
http://www.friesian.com/ross/ca40/constitu.htm
http://www.newsbusters.org/node/12556 - LucidOne, on 04/02/2008, -16/+63That's the same old crap the "liberals" tried to shove down the throats of the citizens of every state that passed concealed carry laws. We heard "blood will run in the streets" and "people will be shooting each other over parking spaces". We've heard it over and over again and it's been WRONG every time! None of those things happened. In fact the crime rate went down! Arizona alone has issued tens of thousands of concealed carry permits and not one of the holders have ever been convicted of a gun crime! Law abiding citizens with guns are NOT the problem! Criminals are, and they will always have access to guns!
- omn3s, on 04/02/2008, -35/+79Have any of you been to college? If so, you would realize how stupid this idea is. Yes, I know how tragic past events have been; my school just recently had its student body president shot and killed. But can you imagine allowing all of the stupid, immature people on a college campus to have a gun? What do you think parties would be like? We would no longer have relatively harmless drunken brawls, there would be homicides.
I personally would no longer feel safe walking around my campus knowing that if I accidentally upset the wrong person I could get shot.
This is a frightening idea, and if you've spent any time on a college campus you would know this.
Theoretically this is a good idea, but in practice there is no way it would work. A college campus is not New York City. Digg me down, but you should realize how dangerous a mistake this would be. - Mothrog, on 04/02/2008, -5/+44How the hell do you propose to remove 200 million guns from private hands? Oh, and by the way, they tried that with alcohol here too. It turned out really well.
- cathl, on 04/02/2008, -18/+56Maybe you'd prefer to let only idiot government employees have all the weapons.
- kinseyincanada, on 04/02/2008, -17/+54i see no reason why they shouldn't be able to have a gun, if you are going to use it to murder someone, its not like the restriction is going to stop you. And this is coming from someone who has never held a gun, and would never buy a gun.
- RuffRidr, on 04/02/2008, -7/+44WordsnCollision: Utah allows concealed carry on their campuses and has for years. Please point me to the statistics showing more violent incidents occurring in Utah's state campuses.
- inactive, on 04/02/2008, -6/+42Wow, that is a great idea. I can't believe nobody's ever thought of banning something to make it go away. What an ingenious, foolproof plan. Sir, I am nominating you for the position of President of the Galaxy.
- LucidOne, on 04/02/2008, -28/+63"...the bad dudes jsut hop state buy ya gun and go back."
Brilliant, just brilliant! How can anyone argue with that logic?
Seriously though, it may be a simple formula but it's TOTALLY WRONG! There is no verifiable statistical evidence to prove your point. None! It's just your "opinion" and its not based on any facts whatsoever! - Avor, on 04/02/2008, -2/+33I don't think people understand how many people DO carry around guns legally. You don't hear about them much because they aren't the ones doing anything wrong.
- hackiavelli, on 04/02/2008, -5/+34By that logic police officers would never get shot.
- Gauthic, on 07/09/2008, -0/+29Not sure why I dugg you up, but it is a very true statement.
if we criminalize pizza only the criminals will have pizza.
if we criminalize cats, only the criminals will have cats.
if we criminalize facial hair, only the criminals will have facial hair (at least it'll be easier to find them!)
yep seems to work :) - klasikahl, on 04/02/2008, -7/+35Because of people like myself.
I attend Arizona State University. I'm a member of the Scottsdale Gun Club. When I'm not on campus, I carry my Beretta PX4 Storm .40cal (loaded to the brim with hollow-points, mind you) with me wherever I go. I am prohibited by the Arizona Board of Regents (the body that governs ASU, UofA, and NAU) from carrying said firearm on campus. Arizona state law makes no provisions either way.
I, like many of my fellow classmates, am an excellent shot. I am highly familiar with the workings of my firearm and the various laws that govern it.
Oh, let's also not forget that Arizona has the second-most relaxed gun laws in the country (Alaska is No. 1) and we have one of the lowest violent crime rates, last I checked. People don't rob liquor stores here because the clerk has a gun and so does the guy behind the chips aisle.
Arizona also has a nifty provision in our state law that allows any person carrying a firearm to intervene in a violent felony in progress. You may verbally warn the perpetrator if you wish, but you have the right to physically prevent them from committing further crimes by shooting the perp. - slvrbullet87, on 04/02/2008, -23/+50To anybody who thinks this would not help with school shootings, please answer this.
Would the students having guns give them a better chance of surviving than if they did not? - inactive, on 04/02/2008, -12/+38I don’t like this at all. At this point I cannot afford a gun. That puts me in great disadvantage. All the rich kids will be packing and the poor kids will be *****. Can we get some kind of subsides loans from the gov't to protect ourselves from the rich kids.
- Spuy767, on 04/02/2008, -9/+35I will register fifty accounts just to digg that statement up.
- Mothrog, on 04/03/2008, -1/+26"Most people are law obiding citizans and would hand in their gun if it was made illegal to have them."
You really don't know *****, do you?
"Completely banning the sale of bullets and making bullets illegal to own would reduce the problem further."
Bullets are pretty easy to cast. Oh, sorry, do you mean cartridges? They're not exactly hard to make either. It's not exactly hard to turn brass, primers can be made, and so can powder. Bullets can be cast easily too.
"Sure there would be criminal with guns, but apparantly thats already the case."
Then what's the point of banning guns, again?
"If it were illegal to have/sell guns/bullets for the last 50 years - gun crime would be at an all time low today."
Like drug use?
"People with guns are not scared to commit a crime in case they get shot by the person they are harming - they are scared the police will shoot them but not their victim."
Uh, yeah. Police officers are trained to use a lot of restraint when applying lethal force. A woman about to get raped? Not so much. - flip2trip, on 04/03/2008, -1/+26EmileVictor--The 2nd amendment was established so the people would have recourse when the government overstepped it's bounds. In other words if a government turns tyrannical the people will be armed in order to overthrow that government.
- makenshin, on 04/02/2008, -9/+34Many people are less likely to commit a crime if they think the people around them might be packing. Think, in a bank, 2 bank robbers with guns and 30+ customers/employees with guns. Chances are, if they believed that to be the scenario, they would not rob the bank in the first place, unless maybe they had a bomb. to take out themselves and everyone else, but that person would be more dangerous if others didnt have guns.
Traditionally in the past of america, there were times when everyone owned a gun, many of which carried them around. If early americans didnt have guns, the US would have never been, it'd still be under the control of England probably. Even nowdays, if US citizens are disarmed entirely, it wouldnt take much effort to enslave and control us (a very common method for controlling your citizens, both in the past and in the modern world) - yoda133113, on 04/02/2008, -14/+38How do you propose that, in places that they "remove all the guns" gun crime often goes up.
- buddyw, on 04/02/2008, -2/+26When seconds count, police are only minuets away...
- Mutton, on 04/02/2008, -7/+30They may be idiots but they will be well trained idiots. BTW, getting a gun license is much more intense than a driver's license, and lots of idiots have those. :)
- whereiseljefe, on 04/02/2008, -10/+33A subsequent question, would I be more or less likely to shoot someone if I could not be sure if they were not more heavily armed than myself?
Self preservation is a great crime deterrent. - ecdmb, on 04/02/2008, -4/+26What state do you live in? Cause in mine, a concealed carry permit allows me to carry a gun in many public and private buildings. Without a permit, open carrying, I can carry in lots of building as well.
Hint: you don't know what you're talking about. - Dubbsacc, on 04/02/2008, -9/+31That's the point genius, we aren't LETTING them. They find a way to get a gun no matter what. If there were laws banning them, they would still get them. What does not compute?
- galeninjapan, on 04/02/2008, -8/+30Feltoon says the group's core mission is simple: "We're pushing universities to allow law-abiding citizen to carry guns
- OverkillTASF, on 04/02/2008, -7/+28My younger brother was supposed to be at Tech that semester, but his grades sucked so he didn't make it in for the second half. He carried his pistol daily (Despite my urgings that it probably wasn't worth getting kicked out of school for such a slight chance at a "pay off"). After the shootings, he found his schedule-that-would-have-been. He would have been in that first class room. There is no doubt in my mind that he would have made a difference, and FAST, unless of course he was the first one shot. We've spent many days at the range practicing, and while it's impossible to be prepared for all scenarios, that's the most basic and clear cut. People have said "He only would have made things worse." How exactly could he have made that situation any worse? People have said "The cops might have shot him thinking he was the shooter." He or I would gladly have taken that risk.
There are many places that are essentially "off limits" to concealed carry permit holders. There are many situations where you might just wish you had a gun, or that someone else had a gun, and that you didn't have to wait 15 minutes for the cops to arrive. However, there really aren't enough good people carrying these days. The benefits are very localized and far between if only a select few people choose to jump through the hoops (Both legal and in a soul searching sense) to carry a concealed firearm legally. But we need more of it. - Wargalas, on 04/02/2008, -3/+24Yes, because Gun Free Zones like college campus' have worked so well up to this point right?
- aurorous, on 04/03/2008, -0/+18It's is a core belief of the national rifle association that the confiscating of fire arms is the biggest single step towards a police state. And in the minds of those people you might as well be offering them cash in exchange for their freedom because that is exactly how they would see it.
- Dimensio, on 04/03/2008, -0/+18Please explain the source of the funding for the "cash incentives" to be provided for all firearms in the United States, assuming only 200 million firearms of an average value of $750 each (note that both values are likely below the actual values). Please also explain compensation methods for ammunition -- including home-reloaded ammunition -- and ammunition reloading equipment that will become useless (or even illegal) following a ban on civilian firearms ownership, explain compensation for firearms cleaning equipment that would no longer be of any use, explain a system for refunding money used to acquire various firearms-related permits across all states (such as permits to acquire in states with such requirements, and pemits for carrying concealed deadly weapons).
Also explain how you would enhance security for individuals who would be forcibly disarmed by law. Explain what compensatory actions would be taken for civilians who were recently disarmed and who subsequently became the victim of a violent crime wherein they may have been able to defend themselves should their firearm not have been confiscated by the government.
Also explain how you will initially enact such a prohibition, given that such a plan currently does not have popular support and given that it would violate the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution. - frasermoo, on 04/03/2008, -0/+18was he just shot?
- GruntSquaThrust, on 04/02/2008, -2/+20Ever notice how all types of mass shootings take place in "Gun Free Zones", "Safe Zone"?
- Wargalas, on 04/02/2008, -11/+299/11 wouldn't have happened if airline passengers were armed.
Go ahead, I'd love to hear your retort. - whereiseljefe, on 04/02/2008, -6/+24Please point me to a country with highly restrictive gun laws (i.e. Britain) that has a lower violent crime rate.
- modad, on 04/02/2008, -9/+27Where I live CCWs are fairly common, so there's already a large percentage of the public carrying firearms at just about any time around me. While I can only speak for myself, it wouldn't bother me if that was expanded into universities as it seems that only those illegally carrying concealed (i.e. no permit) seem to be the ones causing problems. If anything, I'd wish that everyone who owns a gun would go through the extra background checks and training that a CCW requires.
- inactive, on 04/02/2008, -4/+21Because they might shoot you if you don't give them a raise???
You seem to think that all people are criminals as soon as they get a gun - not true. - Dimensio, on 04/02/2008, -7/+24Please demonstrate that lower crime rates in countries with tighter firearms restrictions than in the United States are a direct result of firerams restrictions, and that no other factors influence the crime rate in any more significant ways.
- stix213, on 04/02/2008, -1/+18Long term gun owners are usually the least likely to commit a gun crime. Guns acquired illegally or are recently purchased legally are typically what are used in crimes.
The US town that requires gun ownership actually hasn't seen a murder since the law's inception and has a crime rate that has been cut by more than half even though the population has exploded.
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