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- saska, on 05/06/2008, -6/+247Before panicking, read this: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/5/141313/9290 ...
5.4 million voters registered in Indiana is more than 100% of the eligible voting population just based on age demographics. This purge likely removed names that otherwise could have been used to cast false votes. Not everything is a conspiracy. - actorboy, on 05/06/2008, -14/+105"One quarter-million of them come from just two northwestern Indiana counties."
Two northwestern Indiana counties? You mean the area reported to favor Obama because they are in Chicago's broadcast range and are therefore familiar with him? - inactive, on 05/06/2008, -1/+58Dugg for keeping your cool, unlike the first comment, which FREAKED the ***** OUT!
- inactive, on 05/06/2008, -2/+53Blacks and College educated white people.... huh, aren't those the demographics that most favor Obama? What a coincidence
- KiminCA, on 05/06/2008, -8/+46Rush Limbaugh was giving his listeners instructions from the Indiana voter's guide today on how to make certain their "Operation Chaos" vote for Senator Clinton would count. This is such a lovely day for Democracy. We have Democrats striping Democrats of their right to vote with political shenanigans and a Republican hate radio man calling on his listeners to try to derail the Democratic party in order to give Senator Clinton a false victory. Just lovely.
I cannot believe that anyone would violate the sacred trust of their vote in this way. I hope no-one will. - highdimension, on 05/06/2008, -5/+26We will see. If Obama loses by a landslide, we can definitely factor this into the equation. Anyway, this is what makes me mad, if this election really is rigged, or if the superdelegates overturn the voices of the people, then I will know our country is not the free country it once was. This country was founded on an idea of freedom and democracy. It seems as the years go by, those freedoms keep being taken away one by one.
- PhilLesh69, on 05/06/2008, -1/+20Hillary is just trying to prove to voters that she has 35 years of experience gaming our system and screwing up our democracy.
- actorboy, on 05/06/2008, -2/+21Dude, caps.
- lateralus, on 05/06/2008, -1/+16Amen.
Freedom seems to be turning into freedom to consume what they're selling. - ObamaWins08, on 05/06/2008, -1/+16Umm Yeah, Nascar is big here... but it's not Nascar country. It's still Indycar country.The buildup to the 400 is still NOTHING compared to the 500.
- inactive, on 05/06/2008, -3/+16I hope you're right saska
- americangoy, on 05/06/2008, -7/+17Holy sh*t!
"In April 2008 when Indiana Secretary of State Todd Rokita announced the release of "record high" voter registration rolls, with 4.3 million voters set to vote in the Tuesday May 6 primary, he didn't mention that a whopping 1,134,427 voter registrations have been cancelled...""
This is Indiana, which will "vote" for Hillary
SNORT.
I hate dirty politics (is there any other kind, though?). - masamunecyrus, on 05/06/2008, -1/+11Indiana has only 6-odd million people living in it. If 250,000 people had their voter registration canceled, there's already something fishy going on. Not with trying to make Clinton win, but simply with the amount of people that are registered to vote.
Ah, saska already answered the question. - obliviousfool, on 05/06/2008, -1/+10The counties with the highest purge rates also happen to be the counties with the largest colleges. Purdue is in Tippecanoe county. IU is in Bloomington. Valpo is in Valpo, obviously. It's really easy to establish residency in Indiana, and it doesn't surprise me that these voter rolls would need to be cleaned up with all the 4-year Hoosiers that have come and gone. Now if I go to the polls tomorrow and find out I've been purged I'll be really pissed, but this seems reasonable to me.
- warlokaz2004, on 05/06/2008, -1/+10I personally disagree with 'open' primaries. Call me old school, but I think a PRIMARY election should be for Party Members only to get their house in order and figure out whom to run in a general election. The argument that "Oh well you'll get a broader appealing candidate" is muted against radio/Web sites trying to play electioneering shenanigans...its as bad as stuffing the ballot box.
- MikeSD34, on 05/06/2008, -0/+9Always question the people in power, it's our responsibility as the citizens of this democratic nation to keep them in check.
- robcooper1, on 05/06/2008, -0/+9Calm down people - sounds bad but there may be a reasonable explanation for this. The statement I have pasted below needs to be proven but is a plausible explanation for the discrepancies (so still could be casue for concern - but not if this checks out). The following was sourced from a comment at http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/7375 ...
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The SOS's chief of staff says the numbers you is using are not what you think, they do not refer to purged voters. The column labeled "cancelled" does not mean cancelled registrations. It means anytime an existing voter file is updated, it records that as a computer event that "cancels" the prior record. That's why the figure for Butler County is so much higher than the inactive voters listed on the 2005-0 EAC NVRA report.
He said, yes, there have been big voter roll removals since 2006, when the DOJ and the state settled a NVRA list maintenance suit. He said yes, the state had some of the worst voter rolls in the country. But it's not 1.13 million votes. He said since August 2006, when the state listed 609,000 inactive voters, starting the purge process, the state has been following the NVRA gudelines. Since then names have been removed, but they have also been added. Since last November, there have been 303,000 new and updated registrations.
He said he didn¹t have time today to run the numbers and get me a list of purged voter names, but if it¹s somewhere between that -609,000 and +303,000, you're essentially at 15% or so of the list, which is not unheard of." - ObamaWins08, on 05/06/2008, -4/+111. I wish there was a way I could tell if I was disenfranchised..err.. I mean "Purged".
2. We're not Indianans, we're freaking Hoosiers! (JK, I'm not really that anal)
3. I was walking around the circle in downtown Indy (The center of the state, where people instinctively gather for important stuff), and it was amazing. People were out there for Hillary, and Obama, and as I walked by Obama's campaign office a block south, I was overcome with the need to call off work for the rest of the day and join in there and ask if they needed a hand.
I just love election years... I can feel it in my blood. - RuffRidr, on 05/06/2008, -4/+11What an ignorant comment. First I wouldn't call Indiana Nascar country. Second, calling an entire section of the country racist is just idiotic. Nice troll tho.
- coheedcollapse, on 05/06/2008, -1/+8I live in a city that borders Gary and Valparaiso and I went to college in Bloomington for 4 years. Weird that three of the seven top cities were so close.
Scariest thing, though, is that both Gary and Valpo are very Democrat cities. They reside in "the region" - which votes more akin to Chicago than the rest of Indiana.
Bloomington and Indianapolis are little bubbles of sanity as well. - PhilLesh69, on 05/06/2008, -0/+7Umm, pay attention. That was an overdubbed fake.
The person who created that video already admitted it was a hoax. (though, he should be sued for fraud, defamation or slander.) - FascistNation, on 05/06/2008, -0/+7see quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/18000.html
According to the US Census Bureau's estimate of the population of Indiana as of 2006:
Total pop = 6,313,520
Pop 18 or over = 4,735,140
According to this article two years later the Indiana Secretary of State certified some 92% of the eligible population is registered to vote. That is unbelievable. No really, that is unbelievable. Especially after removing 25% again as many from the rolls. - PhilLesh69, on 05/06/2008, -1/+7I disagree. I'm a republican, but I value my right to choose a democratic candidate if I agree more with him or her over my party's choices. Besides, until there's a law that says you must vote for the candidate of the party you declare to be in support of, there's nothing to stop ***** from declaring they are a democrat to vote up Hillary, and then vote for McCain in the general election.
We should be working to destroy the two party control over our electoral process, not strengthening it. Duopolies are no better than monopolies. - Kautylia, on 05/06/2008, -2/+8People who are ineligible to vote? That's a sad constituency.
- lead2thehead, on 05/06/2008, -1/+7FYI, only the Democrats use super delegates. There is no concept of a super delegate in the Republican primary.
- DivisibleByZero, on 05/06/2008, -1/+7Can't speak for Indiana, but I know I didn't vote in West Virginia until 4 years after my brother left the state, and I still saw his name on the registration list when I went in. My parents said they still saw it the next round of elections. He could have feasibly voted in Ohio, then driven back to WV to vote again.
Maybe Indiana needed some cleaning up as well? - BenKenobi88, on 05/06/2008, -1/+7We don't even consider ourselves part of the rest of Indiana...
- PHiZ187, on 05/06/2008, -3/+9Bev Harris and her blackboxvoting.org website have been INDISPENSABLE as far as getting the word out that you cannot trust voting machines that do not have a voter verified paper trial. She really is on the front lines protecting our democracy.
I'll tell you, I'm worried that the Republicans are going to pull another Florida 2000 or Ohio 2004. The only way they can win this thing is if the purge voter lists, use false robocalls, and rig the machines. Please volunteer to be a poll watcher at your local voting place.! - thcobbs, on 05/06/2008, -3/+8So much for Democracy in the Democratic Party?
- darlingt, on 05/06/2008, -0/+5I doubt that... he used "Ha!" instead of "LOL". I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
- wishninja, on 05/06/2008, -0/+5They forgot to purge me and my wife. Ron Paul FTW!
- fatdog789, on 05/06/2008, -0/+5... There is no right to vote in a primary, because a primary *is not an election.* A primary is a glorified self-selection poll.
- omnithought, on 05/06/2008, -2/+6It's not ok either way.
- thanakar, on 05/06/2008, -0/+4buried for sensationalism
- xDibblerx, on 05/06/2008, -1/+5Ummm. Gary? It also is or was the homicide capitol of the country so those people taken off the list either were killed by angry black men or did the smart thing and moved the ***** away... This is, as usual on Digg, a non-story and buried.
- sleepysteve, on 05/06/2008, -0/+4The comment from user "rickastleyfan1" with a random youtube link certainly couldn't be a rickroll!
You're all so paranoid. - PhilLesh69, on 05/06/2008, -0/+4Hillary has always been a "win at all costs" type. She didn't learn this from Bush. Don't forget that she was a Glodwater Girl during Republican Barry Goldwater's run for office in 1964. She doesn't care what side she is on as long as it is the winning side.
Don't think for one minute that Obama isn't sanctioned by some faction of those who own this country. He wouldn't be in the race for this long without being approved. Don't forget, he, like all the remaining candidates, have spoken at Council on Foriegn Relations backed events.
http://www.cfr.org/bios/11603/barack_obama.html - thcobbs, on 05/06/2008, -0/+4I question it a lot more when people who aren't legally entitled to vote are allowed to.
- wishninja, on 05/06/2008, -0/+4you can go to www.in.gov/sos and check, just type in you info and look to see. You should be looking to see if your voting place has changed anyway. You can also call your counties clerks office to get your voter information.
- headzoo, on 05/06/2008, -2/+6Forgive us from freaking out, but we've been down this road before (Especially the folks in Florida).
- PhilLesh69, on 05/06/2008, -2/+6Every election is manipulated by all sides. Apparently, politicians don't even believe in the rules of their own country.
There are all kinds of tricks that both sides use. Everything from slashing tires on "get out the vote" vans, purging voter rolls for any number of reason, creating arbitrary rules and restrictions on absentee ballots, robo calls misdirecting voters to the wrong polling place, etc etc etc.
In every election, campaigns file hundreds of lawsuits and seek injunctions in the courts in order to give their candidate some sort of advantage.
I don't understand why so many people refuse to see reality and still actually believe that our government is perfect. - fatdog789, on 05/06/2008, -0/+3These counties happen to be the ones with the most college students -- a transient population that fluctuates wildly each year.
And as Saska pointed out below, more voters would have been registered than is possible unless there's a significant amount of registration fraud. - PhilLesh69, on 05/06/2008, -0/+3Mena!
Cocaine transshipment point. Of course, too many people want to deny that the CIA was involved in cocaine smuggling, even though the Iran-Contra affair is public knowledge. - playuhh, on 05/06/2008, -5/+8As stated above, don't panic.
This is was done because there were more registered voters in the rolls than actual number of eligible voters in the state, which is impossible. So apparently there were dupes. This is a good thing that prevented false votes from being placed. - twertyto, on 05/06/2008, -0/+3What's this you say about conspiracies?
- dood, on 05/06/2008, -0/+3I am totally fine with parties selecting their candidates through an election. However I don't think that election should involve the state in any way -- *especially* if they insist on limiting votes to party members. Instead, the parties can handle the votes themselves and then select their best candidate to move on up to the real elections.
In short, get the state out of the candidate selection process. - p51d007, on 05/06/2008, -5/+8It's ok when Howard Dean asks democrats to cross over and vote for McCain...but it's not ok for a conservative to tell Republicans to cross over and vote for democrats.
- PhilLesh69, on 05/06/2008, -0/+3That was years ago. Probably before you were even born.
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