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- ThomasDiggsPeg, on 05/06/2009, -17/+464People wake up this could happen to you...We need to harass our representatives endlessly until the unconstitutional "Patriot Act" is repealed, not re-written but thrown out onto the scrapheap of history for the traitorous legislation that it is.
Contact your Congressperson Now!!!!!!!
contact for your reps:
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ - goes211, on 05/06/2009, -14/+407This seriously pisses me off!!!
This sounds more like Putin's Russia than America but I guess times are changing.
Amendment V "...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
Amendment IV "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, ... and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense"
Might as well see if some other country wants our Constitution. We aren't using it any more. - libertygal76, on 05/06/2009, -25/+280Ridiculous!! Locking up a 16-year-old homeschool kid for doing what?? NOTHING!!!
- voicce, on 05/06/2009, -11/+218The US Government has become an agent of terrorism arresting citizens -- even children -- with little or no evidence and holding people without legal representation or visiting rights from family, as if they were proven guilty. Nothing is proven here, just circumstantial "evidence." This is a dangerous slippery slope toward totalitarianism. Not much point of defending against invaders when the US government erodes our civil rights and freedom right under our noses.
- bayside412, on 05/05/2009, -19/+222Homeland Security should catch this poor kid's identity thief.
After all, they are supposed to be protecting us from just this sort of terrorist activity.
Too bad they jumped the gun, now the scumbag identity thief knows to stay hidden. - manystrom, on 05/05/2009, -50/+217As seen on the Daily Paul: http://www.dailypaul.com - Grassroots central for the Freedom Movement.
- commentposted, on 05/06/2009, -3/+153Protest the Patriot Act!!
- inactive, on 05/06/2009, -20/+169Patriot Act doesn't supersede the Constitution. Nothing does.
You might all be irked, but keep in mind it's not over. I smell lawsuit!
And he will EASILY win it. - dirkdavies68, on 05/06/2009, -84/+224What has happened to this country? This sounds like the USSR.
Obama = Bush
No change. - xenuxenuts, on 05/06/2009, -2/+109Even if he did, he deserves due process. Ditch the patriot act.
- CrimsonJones, on 05/06/2009, -7/+90Actually, all the charges are true. Ashton, better known as Tyrone, actually hosted a vent server where he made these prank calls. The channel that records his calls is here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/4ChanVent
The ones under the name "Tyrone" are Ashton. - FrozenPie, on 05/06/2009, -8/+90THE REAL TERRORISTS are in Washington D.C.
- had3l, on 05/06/2009, -5/+85Well, duh, what did you expect?
When you grant the government this kind of unchecked power, of course it's going to get abused.
I just think it's hilarious how some people support the Patriot Act thinking it won't affect them. Until their sons and daughters get taken away and imprisoned without trial.
All authoritarian governments and policies start with "good intentions". - DivisibleByZero, on 05/06/2009, -15/+94I'm all about cracking down on jackass kids who think bomb threats are funny, but the patriot act is a bit of an overreach here.
I like all the flags in his room though. I bet those weren't just put there for the benefit of the TV crews.
And the "someone stole my IP address" alibi... - Lawofnations, on 05/06/2009, -21/+92Why are they interviewing an attorney? Attorneys wrote the Patriot Act. It was ready to roll long before the thermite was ignited. Congress then passed it without being allowed to read it. Therefore there is no legislative intent and unconstitutional for a multitude of reasons.
I pray that this young man is exonerated quickly if this is indeed a joke on someone's part. - AndrewJC, on 05/06/2009, -0/+61I'm hardly a Paulite, but I have to ask: How do we know that the kid made "some serious bomb threats" if he can't get a day in court for the state to prove their case, or even a writ of habeas corpus? Under the PATRIOT Act, he's not allowed to have an attorney, even.
- bphicke, on 05/06/2009, -1/+59We won't know anything for sure until he is waterboarded.
- Gareth321, on 05/06/2009, -2/+60Sure, then charge him and have a court case. If he's truly guilty, he should be found so in a court of law and punished accordingly. This cloak and dagger ***** reminiscent of China or 1940's Germany should not be occurring in the USA.
- cheezemunkey45, on 05/06/2009, -3/+60unbelievable. The fact that he is still in custody is even worse.
- inactive, on 05/06/2009, -0/+55Even if guilty this kid deserves due process. When someone makes bomb threats you arrest them and charge them in the normal fashion. You don't send a black van with SS style thugs in it to carry them away to an undisclosed location.
I guess this kid did not hear about dcsnet
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=3535528& ...
Not only can they listen in to all your phone calls and read your text messages they can also use your land line, cellphone, or OnStar as a passive listening device. - Pyrrhuloxia, on 05/06/2009, -4/+57The kid hasn't been seen for two months now. Teenage bomb threats make arrest legitimate but not suspension of habeas corpus.
- domnu, on 05/06/2009, -1/+53The point is, even if he's guildty (I happen to think he probably is, it doesn't matter), he still shouldn't disappear for two months without a lawyer or a court date. A phone call making an empty threat should not get someone disappeared. Assuming he's found guilty by a jury of his peers in an open court, then he should recieve a punishment commenusrate with his crime.
This is exactly the sort of thing civil rights advocates were worried about when the USAPATRIOT Act was passed. It's saddening but unsurprising that such abuse has actually come to pass and it's likely to get worse. It doesn't matter who is in power, if a law has the potential to be abused it will eventually be abused. - jeepster76, on 05/06/2009, -9/+61Uhhh, they WROTE the Patriot act dumb ass,
- Seminarian, on 05/06/2009, -4/+56I'm very sorry for Ashton and his family, but this was inevitable. The USA PATRIOT Act was designed to be used in just this fashion. That's what all the "radical left civil rights ideologues" have been saying since it was passed. If there need to be "checks and balances" for people like Ashton, they need to be there for everyone. Take your outrage, and write your Congressperson and Senator. This law is poison.
- theskillwithin, on 05/06/2009, -14/+64WHY did Obama vote for the reinstatement of the Patriot Act.
WHY did he get away with it? - Dudefiasta, on 05/06/2009, -4/+52We don't know that yet. He could be an al-Qaeda terrorist. Look into that boy's eyes and tell me he isn't a threat? lol
- h8f8kes, on 05/06/2009, -21/+66Impeach Bush! Oh, wait.........................
- Skywise, on 05/06/2009, -14/+59Remember when Democrats were voted in on 2 things for the 2006 elections? Repeal of the Patriot Act and get us out of Iraq.
0 for 2 and now they hold the Presidency and filibuster proof Senate... - c010rb1indusa, on 05/06/2009, -2/+47Not only that but its been TWO ***** MONTHS and the kid still isn't home, he's only 16!
- statuescrumble, on 05/06/2009, -18/+60I cant believe digg is so stupid
This kids name is tyrone. He did prank calls and trolls, with 4chan over ventrilo. There was no identity theft, he knew perfectly well what he was doing, and he got ***** for it. You might be able to find some of his prank calls online.
The media is labeling it with patriot act so that the story is politicized and people jump on it, like what is happening now. It makes for a much better story.
Dont give me bs about how they are black bagging him and not trying him, because thats absolutely not true. His mom has no idea what her kid did, or doesnt believe it, and if you listen to her, you are listening to literally the most biased perspective on this story. - orie, on 05/06/2009, -6/+48Main stream media misses the heart of the issue once again. I don't even know where to start.
You people who think this is ok because it's "protecting you" are destroying what should make this country great. - kaelyiesta, on 05/06/2009, -0/+42So far, each and every comment praising this action of our government has been ignorant of the point of the video and of the comments thus far. Let me make it clear: Free speech does not allow for harmful threats of violence. That is not the issue. Habeas corpus is.
If someone makes threats, arrest them, then charge them with a crime, give them access to legal defense and so on so that they might have a chance to refute the charges leveled against them in the court of law. Detaining them indefinitely(as is the case in the video thus far) without due process is not acceptable. - cersad, on 05/06/2009, -5/+46What I want to know is why the hell this mother isn't suing the hell out of the federal government. I'm certain money won't be an issue in her case, all she has to do is call up some activist group like the ACLU and they'll probably foot all the bills to get this kid out. If she just sits back and lets the fed do its thing, other people will suffer the same fate.
- schmitey, on 05/06/2009, -2/+42Well she obviously has lawyers and has had time to look over the case. I'm sure she's been exposed to the term...not that odd in my book.
- aramova, on 05/06/2009, -27/+65Vote for Change!...err...wait!
- Ghoztt, on 05/06/2009, -6/+43What a patriotic act.
/doublethink - alamedaman, on 05/06/2009, -5/+42Don't Tread On Me!
- inactive, on 05/06/2009, -0/+36Hooray for warrantless taps. Orwell would be proud.
- inactive, on 05/06/2009, -5/+41They stole his IP address? Bastards!
- Elderon, on 05/06/2009, -4/+38I don't know if the kid really did do the threats, perhaps he did it to be funny, regardless of if he did it or not I don't think detaining him without the ability to defend himself is right. It's against everything this country was founded on.
I agree with the arrest since it seems like the evidence did point to him initially, but he should have the ability to have a defense and if he can't then his guardians should be able to. - 47f0, on 05/06/2009, -0/+31Way to miss the point here. He may be guilty, and if so, should be charged, arrested and tried.
What's disgusting here is the complete abrogation of the legal rights of an American citizen under our Constitution. - handstrongpimp, on 05/06/2009, -3/+32wrong wrong wrong - even if the kid did it you dont keep him for 2 mouths after u find out its just some punk kid
- HAL90000, on 05/06/2009, -8/+37Way to ***** over Tyrone.
*****.
At any rate he still deserves a ***** trial and due process. - tmyprod, on 05/06/2009, -2/+31I believe it was Ben Franklin who said "Those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for a little security deserve neither."
- algaeturd, on 05/06/2009, -4/+32It DOES supersede the constitution. Read it. Any of it.
That's why it was created...to speed up the process of prosecution and investigation when it comes to cases like this.
I mean, what you're saying sounds nice but it's a fantasy. The Patriot Act was written to sidestep all established legal processes and rights for the suspect.
That is why it exists and as it exists now, it DOES supersede the constitution.
Fight it in court? Fight the federal government in court? The same government that allowed torture, allowed a president to start a war on false evidence? Allowed lies to be delivered to congress and the representatives of the American people? THAT is the body that you want to sue to protect your rights from the Patriot Act?
Good luck, man. Good luck. You're missing something here. I won't spell it out for you but this Patriot Act? It was railroaded into place for a REASON. And it wasn't to protect the American people. Say what you will but answer me this: Why does it exist still? Everyone claims to hate it...politicians speak out against it. Nobody likes it yet it can't be removed or changed to be less vicious.
Nobody gives up power. People in government LOVE to give themselves power but nobody ever gives it back. The Patriot Act will remain and it will get more stringent as time goes on. Mark my word.
Don't waste time trying to argue that 'this can't happen in my country! We have rights! We won't stand for this! It could happen to me or my family!"
Yeah, right. The Patriot Act can't be challenged by anyone. If it could be, it would have already been repealed.
I'm not being a dick but I seriously suggest you read some of the fine print. A copy of the entire Act is online and accessible to all US citizens. I suggest you check it out. It will scare the living ***** out of you. - FKnight, on 05/06/2009, -2/+30@statuescrumble
What's wrong with the way we handled bomb threats by dumbass teenagers before 9-11, which had absolutely nothing to do with dumbass teenagers.
Arrest him, sure. Charge him, try him, and even throw him in jail if he's convicted.
He's not Al Qaeda or Hezbollah, though, so I don't get why the Patriot Act needs to apply and why he can't be treated like we've always treated teenage punks who've been making bomb threats since the first bombs were invented. This kid should have a lawyer, and his parents should have access to their kid. - NJSlacker, on 05/06/2009, -8/+35Nobody cared 8 years ago when Arab-Americans were being arrested. It takes one white kid getting screwed over to resurface this?
- TMac08, on 05/06/2009, -4/+31This is disgusting. No other way to describe it.
- twiztidsinz, on 05/06/2009, -12/+38I'm no fan of the Patriot Act, but it sounds like there is more to this than they are/can report on or know.
Stole his IP Address to make internet phone calls? Sorry, I don't think it works that way..
There was enough to get a judge to sign a warrant (I know, that probably doesn't mean much...) and I'm sure they took his computer as evidence.
I mean, think about it for a minute... Who would this benefit? It's a teenaged white kid from what looks to be a fairly well-to-do family... He's not a minority so it's not going to stir up patriotism to increase public opinion of starting another war on terror/terrorists once they get the terrorist(s) who've infiltrated America or be the unfortunate target of a pissed off bigoted politician/law enforcement agent. So why him?
I'd think the public backlash from this would be FAR too bad for them to do anything without careful planning. Let's face it, if this happened to a minority, not too many would care, blame it on the broken/racist system, the status-quo... but a well-to-do white kid? oh boy...
I think there needs to be more information before people make judgments.
I know back in high school before 9/11 there were kids who'd call in bomb threats for fun or a thrill, often times from the payphone outside the school building so it's not like a 10th grader (home-schooled or not) has never done something like this before. - dptechie, on 05/06/2009, -1/+274chan? That explains it.
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