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- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Of course the Chinese Communist Party has begun to unblock Wikipedia Chinese from its provinces...
...the articles are already pre-censored by party-leaning moderators and users. Wikipedia has turned into what MSN/Google/Yahoo have; a party piece.
While this may be news to you, but those that can read Simplified Chinese have known this for years. You should see what they write about US history and you might begin to understand why many Chinese people who have never been to America tend to dislike us, especially those that are nationalist. Even the Chinese channels in the USA are the same, if the story doesn't favor China, but is big, they censor or ignore it. For example, when Hu Jintao was heckled during his visit to DC, you didn't find a trace of it on Chinese news in America. - SummerThunder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0my own experience.
There are many users who felt exactly the same way. And most of the time, their comments, votes got deleted. For example, I wrote some comments, the moderators not only deleted them, they also made them disappeared as if nothing was ever deleted!
1. I wrote a subtitle "house arrest until death" for Zhao ziyang in the chinese version, it was immediately deleted. however, the same thing that I wrote in the English page is still kept even today.
2. What happened in [[Tibet]] in 1950 was 56 years ago. On the chinese wikipedia, before 11-23, 2006, that part of history was written as "in 1950, the government of People's Republic of China signed "peaceful liberation treaty" with the Tibetan government, under the condition of respecting Tibetan's system and life style, the liberation army was allowed to enter tibet." When I tried to added the detailed history for that period of time, his contribution was deleted as "vandalism" twice by two Chinese moderators on 11-23, and 12-6, 2006. [http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E8%A5%BF%E8%97%8F%E5%8E%86%E5%8F%B2&diff=2993090&oldid=2993080] [http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E8%A5%BF%E8%97%8F%E5%8E%86%E5%8F%B2&diff=3084041&oldid=3083995]
then on 12-11-2006, the moderator Ran somehow reverted everything that I wrote which was previously deleted by two moderators, but he deleted the link where I got my information from on top of the page, and under the "external links." [http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E8%A5%BF%E8%97%8F%E5%8E%86%E5%8F%B2&diff=3113910&oldid=2993080] Isn't that ridiculous, how can they add my contribution without listing the references?! And strangely enough, somehow what I wrote now appeared in all those Tibetan articles on the Chinese page so the moderators can now say that they are not pro communists, even though the author - me is still banned because of what i wrote!
3. As of December 29th, 2006, the article of People's Republic of China on the Chinese site did not mention anything about the well-known [[Falun Gong]] which originated in mainland China. And the phrase "Human Rights" was only mentioned once under the name "Organization for Human Rights." There was no direct link to the "Human rights in the People's Republic of China" article, either. While the English site of [[People's Republic of China]] has an entire paragraph about Human Rights, and also a direct link to [[Human rights in the People's Republic of China]]. I tried to added it, it was immediatly deleted by the moderator "mongol" It was added only when I mentioned in the English version of Village Pump, then the moderator Ran added the word "falun gong." [http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E4%B8%AD%E5%8D%8E%E4%BA%BA%E6%B0%91%E5%85%B1%E5%92%8C%E5%9B%BD&diff=3233627&oldid=3214644]
4. the article about "two Chinas" which has been deleted twice in the month of November. Then one of the moderator claimed that it has never been deleted.
5. The chinese-russian border treaty, the entire article was also deleted not so long ago. now one of the moderator "ran" claimed that it was deleted due to "copyright" violation which is a total lie. it has several early versions, which has nothing to do with any sort of copyright violation at all. After my complain which was deleted, somehow now the same article reappeared with the same content.
6. the tiananmen square protest article, I added similar contents in both the Chinese and English version. The chinese moderator Louer immediatly deleted my contribution, and put that article under protection. AT the same time, whatever I wrote on the same subject in the English article did not got deleted at all.
I have tried to added my comments about those things on the Chiense version of village pump, however, they deleted everything that I wrote, and called those as "vandalism." One time, another user who wrote a comment supporting me, it was also immediately deleted by those moderators. So clearly, people can not openly, freely discuss topics they want to. Another user reverted those comments that I wrote, it was also changed back instantly by one of the moderators.
There are 29 moderators from mainland China, 6 of them are from the capital city - beijing. At the same time, the government is still blocking the entire 13 billion Chinese' access to this web site. taiwan and hongkong should have more users than the users from mainland China, however, they only have 17 and 13 moderators. It is a well known fact that there are plenty Chinese spies who are living in taiwan right now. I am writing this, so hopefully the wikipedia people can look into this matter seriously. - SummerThunder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0==Chinese-language Wikipedia presents different view of history==
1. November 29th, 2006, [[International Herald Tribune]] Asia-Pacific's article: [http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/11/29/news/wiki.php Chinese-language Wikipedia presents different view of history] :"on sensitive questions of China's modern history or on hot-button issues, the Chinese version diverges so dramatically from its English counterpart that it sometimes reads as if it were approved by the censors themselves."
2. November 30th, 2006, CBS published an online article named: [http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2006/11/30/publiceye/entry2218394.shtml Is Wikipedia China Really Wikipedia?]
3. On December 1, 2006, The [[New York Times]] published another report by Howard W. French, titled as "Wikipedia lays bare two versions of China's past."
"Some say the object should be to spread reliable information as widely as possible, and that, in any case, self-censorship is pointless because the government still frequently blocks access to Wikipedia for most Chinese Internet users. 'There is a lot of confusion about whether they should obey the neutral point of view or offer some compromises to the government,' said Isaac Mao, a well-known Chinese blogger and user of the encyclopedia. 'To the local Wikipedians, the first objective is to make it well known among Chinese, to get people to understand the principles of Wikipedia step by step, and not to get the thing blocked by the government." - SummerThunder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I know, right now, those chinese spy moderators must be really hoping that they can delete this topic asap. I posted a similar comment on the chinese page, it was IMMEDIATLY deleted. and all my other comments which are not related to this topic, which are very relevant to those topics were also deleted, and somehow those chinese spy moderators also made them "disappeared" as if they did not delete anything at all. and then they banned me for "vandalism."
It is a known fact that China blocked its people's access to wikipedia. however, i checked the chinese page, they have total of 29 moderators that are in China! 6 from beijing, 6 from guangzhou, 6 from shanghai, etc. There are more moderators from China than from any other parts of the world. however, if the chinese are blocked from getting on here, how can those Chinese moderators still have time and resources to moderate the chinese wikipedia? isn't that odd?
you may have heard about [[Shi Tao]], the chinese government put him in jail for 10 years because the government was able to find his location thru a single IP address which was reported by yahoo. those 29 moderators' are listed publicly on the chinese page. So it is quite obvious that the chinese government must have those 29 mainland chinese moderators' personal informaiton. I highly suspect that most of the chinese mainland moderators are spies sent by the Chinese communists. It is a banned web site, what kind of people are willing to edit a web site that is banned by his or her own government especially in china?!
I can probably safely say that there are more people using the chinese version from Hong Kong and Taiwan than people from [[mainland China]]. however, [[Hongkong]] only has 13, [[Taiwan]] has 17. isn't that odd? further, during my time on that site, as far as I know, no moderator from hong kong banned or deleted my contributions, and there are 13 of them. if I really did something wrong, shouldn't they also be able to ban or delete? and who can gurantee that those moderators who are listed under other country names are not really from mainland china?
Another thing, it is forbidden to gather without government permit in China. however, that chinese site recently even had two meetings in capital - [[Beijing]] and in city of guangzhou. there are constant reports about police harassing and spying on people who secretly gathered in churches which are not approved by the government, etc. so there is no way that the government doesn't spy on those wikipedia meetings. It is just shocking to see those moderators so "bravely" advertising on the public page. and when I posted a question about my doubt, it was immediatly deleted as usual. those comment pages were also put into protection.
i am not insance or crazy. It is also a known fact that china has spies in taiwan. it seems to me that the moderator from taiwan jasonzhoucn is also very "communistly" suspicious. one time, i added to only two extra links to an article of the chinese golden shield project, he immediatly deleted them without a reason. he also deleted the extra information that i have added for some of the articles.
i am not crazy, or delusional. however, think about it, the chinese have to use special programs, proxy servers in order to get on this page. and even if they have high speed, the speed won't be fast enough. who would have the patience even to edit those pages if the internet connection is not fast enough? there are 13 billion chinese, how many of them can actually get on here easily? so how is that possible that there are so many mainland chinese moderators?! and since the majority of Chinese can't get on this site, you would expect that there are lots of articles pro taiwan's independence, but there are not a lot. And the article about "Two Chinas" was actually deleted TWICE in just November. And one of the moderator later on said that he did not find any history about its delettion at all?!
The reason that i am suspecting is because of what happened to me recently. i tried to edit the page for the "peopel's republic of china". even today, that article does not have a single word about human rights and falun gong. i added those two items, immediatly a mainland chinese moderator deleted my contribution, then put that article into protection. i have added many similar contents in other articles. most of them have been deleted by those mainland chinese moderators.
when i tried to voice my suspision and my comments on those community forums, those moderators immediatly deleted them. then they banned me , accused me doing "vandalism?!"
with 29 chinese mainlander moderators, that site is basically controlled by the chinese spies sent by the communist party. they do not allow people to add anything that are bad about the chinese communist party. so here i am, I don't know if this is the proper place to voice my opinion. i seriously think that someone should take a look into this matter.
"But on sensitive questions of China's modern history or on hot-button issues, the Chinese version diverges so dramatically from its English counterpart that it sometimes reads as if it were approved by the censors themselves." [1] This indeed confirmed my suspicion. someone should do something about those moderators.
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