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"Why All of Our Efforts Won’t Stop the Attack on Iran"
dissidentvoice.org — Is there so little left of the the American spirit, that we now sit passively by as another atrocious war crime is launched?
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- allowners, on 05/11/2008, -6/+47Great analysis showing how endlessly attacking the symptoms of the disease (Bush & Company) is ineffective, and how the focus should be shifted onto the system that germinated and now hosts the disease. Elections don't help because they are part of the diseased system and provide the cover of legitimacy.
- plimpton777, on 05/12/2008, -3/+2I can't believe these bastards are going to do it AGAIN.
- aajjcckk, on 05/12/2008, -1/+4FOLKS - the military industrial complex is running your country and they want another war as it's part of the plan to keep the military machine generating large stacks of money (as in $trillion-sized stacks). If this bankrupts your country, kills your brave and honorable servicemen (and destroys their families), kills perfectly decent and innocent ordinary folk in Iran (who are not some hideous other alien entities but simply down to earth folk trying to live their lives, just like you), and basically just destabilises the world - do you know what? The people behind a war in Iran DON'T GIVE A *****. They look down on you, and all these people, as expendable assets.
I am not saying everyone in the military industrial complex is evil, or that everyone in Iran is good (some in Iran are fighting a war with the allies by proxy through Iraq). But really, the biggest mindset change the American people NEED to have is that, actually, the USA could be the BAD guys here, the evil side in this equation, and that blind patriotism is folly of the highest order. QUESTION EVERYTHING.
The other thing you need to ponder on is the combined force of all those new laws Bush brought in about controlling, spying on and incarcerating American citizens, about the exact classification of what constitutes a "terrorist" in the USA, about the likelihood of a (very) weak dollar combined with the invasion of Iran, and about the effects of a nuclear attack on Iran by the US (or by proxy, by Israel). What is the trigger point for invoking martial law in the US, and a de facto fascist dictatorship? Remember, those who voted Hitler in to power were living in a world class free society and thought Hitler was going to make their country better. Hitler also invoked the inside job of the Reichstag fire to galvanise people against a non-existent external threat. And then....you know the rest....
- AlwaysAwake, on 05/11/2008, -6/+28Frozen in fear of losing our little slice of the pie; consumed in our consciousness with only ourselves; faithful to the idea of being "different", hence separated, and suspicious of others; fighting among ourselves over petty crap; we unnecessarily abandon personal responsibility, and yield our fate to those we are allowing to adopt the idea, role, and mantle of Authority, instead of rising up together, to demand they serve us all equally.
- oldhick, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3Hah... way to say a lot of nothing eloquently!
- GrandmaSheila, on 05/11/2008, -5/+27Divide and Rule has always been the policy of the sociopaths who took over, and they've done it very well, to the point where anything anyone says that is the least variant from the accepted "political dogma" that the USA owns the world, jeezus blesses us, and the rich don't owe anybody anything, is immediately attacked, What is needed is a true leader, to wake up the people to their own interests, to make them see how their country has been stolen from them, their rights and liberties destroyed, their national treasury looted, their children's' future stripped from them, and millions murdered in the name of conquest for the benefit of the same criminals. But we don't have any such hero in the offing, all we have left is places like digg, and other internet sites. We have to work from that. And I fear time has run out on us.
- isparadiselost, on 05/12/2008, -8/+11"But we don't have any such hero in the offing"
Apparently not since Ron Paul was put on the "kook" bandwagon. There isn't a statement you made that he has not already stated himself.
RIP America.- chaosium, on 05/12/2008, -8/+5"Apparently not since Ron Paul was put on the "kook" bandwagon. "
To be fair, that's his entire career.
- chaosium, on 05/12/2008, -8/+5"Apparently not since Ron Paul was put on the "kook" bandwagon. "
- isparadiselost, on 05/12/2008, -8/+11"But we don't have any such hero in the offing"
- jana67, on 05/11/2008, -11/+15Bush Jr. is taking his marching orders and will finish what his daddy started, before he has to leave the office...Just hand it all over to Obama, the Ha-mas anointed and what are we left with? Tell me someone...http://www.squidoo.com/obamavideoshowcase
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7Okay, because someone else saying they like you automatically means you agree with everything they say and do, right?
Tale your propaganda elsewhere. - chaosium, on 05/12/2008, -2/+9Idiots like yourself are how Bush Jr got elected and why people who think like him will get elected over and over again.
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7Okay, because someone else saying they like you automatically means you agree with everything they say and do, right?
- jstad, on 05/11/2008, -4/+4Good read man. Good Digg. Lets just see if this causes anything to change, probably not :(
- debunkthelies, on 05/11/2008, -6/+22All of the candidates who are against the war, and the NWO have been pushed into the ' the back of the bus' so to speak. Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, and the others I can't remember right now. This was done because they are a threat to the neocons dream of world domination. Is there a way for the people to write in the name of the candidate they want, and thereby override the system?
- chaosium, on 05/12/2008, -8/+6You idiots are so blinded by the mythical "NWO" that you let Conservatives walk all over you.
- boombye, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2says the guy with all that nwo associated symbolism on his profile....
- chaosium, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1It's as much of a joke as your much-cherished beliefs.
- boombye, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2says the guy with all that nwo associated symbolism on his profile....
- StudlyDego73, on 05/12/2008, -2/+2'Cuz when you're nWo, you're nWo 4-Life
- chaosium, on 05/12/2008, -8/+6You idiots are so blinded by the mythical "NWO" that you let Conservatives walk all over you.
- toddcat, on 05/11/2008, -4/+18The American spirit has been silenced for several years now. I couldn't believe a man as stupid-looking as Bush could even be considered to be President. I couldn't believe Americans would tolerate Abu Ghraib abuses in their name. Guess I was wrong. If they'll tolerate that, they'll tolerate anything.
- caferrell, on 05/11/2008, -6/+23I am afraid that Huxley and Orwell were perfectly prescient. A system has come into being that is self aware and no longer depends on which individuals are given positions of authority. Rebellions will be quietly taken care of. Rebels that threaten to appeal to a large audience are either bought off, compromised in the media or, if necessary, eliminated.
Maybe a President like Ron Paul could shake the system up enough to change things, but we'll never know. If he were able to break through the media's designs of making him appear loony and unstable to control a large following he would be killed. There is no escape from this anymore, at least until the economy completely collapses. It is sad, in fact it is one of the most tragic occurrences in the history of western civilization, but we are screwed.
The sheep are not going to look up.- aguynamedjoe36, on 05/12/2008, -3/+4what a depressingly poignant analysis of the american situation. sad and scary. dugg nonetheless.
- ad33lshahid, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5as much as i hate to believe it-- i agree with everything you said
- PlagueOfMorons, on 05/12/2008, -1/+3Caf, I completely agree with you. Just as corporations can legally exist and operate independently of the actual people inside them (who are like cells in a body; the corporation is a multicellular entity), so governmental systems arise that are in effect self-sustaining entities. The analogy is not exact in every part, but it is very valid overall. Unfortunately, the entity that is American government has been attacked by an arrogant and malignant cancer that wants only to continue its own existence, at the expense of the host. We must begin chemotherapy - or surgery - and stop this cancer before we all go down. We need a giant antibody.
- GlobalistShill, on 05/11/2008, -5/+19I almost didn't digg this story, simply because the word "war" and "Iran" are used in the same sentence. Reiterating this is exactly how the Pentagon's mouthpiece, Faux News, creates an atmosphere of acceptance in the general public. But today, I'm going to give people the benefit of the doubt, and believe that they will look beyond the face value. Maybe, they will take an interest and realize that they have POWER, and that they can affect change in the world with their words.
War with Iran must NOT happen. If enough people will acknowledge that we've been LIED TO into war, and that we are likely to be lied to AGAIN to perpetuate the carving up of the Middle East, then the zeitgeist of our time can be shifted. The war on terror is a FRAUD and it is NOT for the benefit of the American people. It is time for America to end engagements with foreign entanglements. The Israeli government can defend itself, or better yet, CHOOSE to make peace with its enemies. Peace. - stienster, on 05/11/2008, -11/+4I agree with you GlobalistShill, to a degree. The way out of this mess, this total evil madness is to PRAY. Throughout the old testament, God's people were in all sorts of dire straits when they turned away from following and honoring The Almighty! Since He is ever merciful, ever Loving, ever forgiving, once His Children came to their senses, turned away from foolish evil actions, starting praying and honoring God, He always forgave and savaged their enemies. If we would do just that, THEN things will change, even if that means Jesus comes and makes the changes Himself.
- chaosium, on 05/12/2008, -2/+3"The way out of this mess, this total evil madness is to PRAY"
Prayer doesn't even have a positive medical benefit. - InfamousAtheist, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5You go right ahead and pray. I'm going to do something that might actually work.
- chaosium, on 05/12/2008, -2/+3"The way out of this mess, this total evil madness is to PRAY"
- evilpoptart, on 05/12/2008, -5/+7if we attack iran bush will be mobbed in the streets.
- demonic, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1well only if everyone brought a Wii Fit before hand. all jokes aside, if anyone deserved it I think it would be cheney first, as I believe he's the hand in the puppet.
- chaosium, on 05/12/2008, -1/+9"if we attack iran bush will be mobbed in the streets."
Hasn't happened yet, wouldn't happen.- evilpoptart, on 05/12/2008, -3/+2maybe thats more a statement about you and not others.
- chaosium, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1It's a statement about everyone, dummy.
- evilpoptart, on 05/12/2008, -3/+2maybe thats more a statement about you and not others.
- GhostyBoy, on 05/12/2008, -2/+6Bush already doesn't go out in the streets. You think that guy feels even remotely safe walking around in the country he nearly ruined?
- avengingturnip, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Can't happen. When he travels he does so in an armored column worthy of a third world dictator, black Surburbans and vans without distinguishing markings. There isn't even a presidential limo anymore.
- Dysarthria, on 05/12/2008, -1/+12Hey, didn't Hillary say she would obliterate Iran if it attacked Israel?
- ad33lshahid, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5it doesn't take a genius to make the connection that america and israel will try to provoke (or Stage) an irani attack on US/Israeli interests... oh wait they're already planning on it..
See: "Cheney mulled luring Iran into war with Israel: report"
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jdSAb3VgbTPKOq ... - ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1No she didn't, that's what the news said.
She was asked what she would do if Iran launched a nuclear strike against Israel. She answered that "we would be able to completely obliterate them". This was cut there, as to not show the explanation: so they wouldn't launch a nuclear strike against Israel because that would be suicide.
- ad33lshahid, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5it doesn't take a genius to make the connection that america and israel will try to provoke (or Stage) an irani attack on US/Israeli interests... oh wait they're already planning on it..
- lazaruswws, on 05/12/2008, -10/+4Obama would be the best for the United States Enemies. He would be the first to wave the white flag.
- lhbaker, on 05/12/2008, -1/+8You say this about somebody who hasn't made a single compromise during his campaign. Despite have little experience in Washington, he has built a movement in this country unlike anything in recent history. Obama doesn't strike me as a weak person. McCain, on the other hand, though having spoken openly against torture, now supports it. Despite saying that Bush is 'as dumb as a stump,' follows his party leader like a lovesick puppy. Bush burned him completely when they were both seeking the nomination, and now has adopted Bush's policies. McCain has already shown that he lacks spine. I just wonder how these early warning signs will manifest if he is elected.
- lazaruswws, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1Obama supporters lack the spine to control their own lives and would rather let the government tell them what to do and where to work. We have seen this before during the cold war its called socialism.
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 05/12/2008, -1/+7Which enemies? The people who hate us because we've used them for decades or the people who hate us because they've had their lives destroyed by American weapons and sometimes even soldiers?
Tell me something, when someone wrongs another, and the wronged seek revenge, who is the bad guy? Who is the "enemy"?
The answer is "no one." There is only violence and suffering, and no amount of additional violence will ever end violence and suffering.
Sometimes violence is a necessary evil, but make no mistake. When you have left diplomacy entirely behind and opted instead to paint people a strictly "good" and "bad" YOU are the aggressor. YOU are the only form of "evil" present. That you are surprised when your so called enemies act as you do and attack without negotiation or any sense of humanity serves only to showcase your ignorance and hate mongering.
If you wish for peace then you must first practice peace.- lazaruswws, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1Violence is the answer there will be peace when there is a victor. Thousands of years of war between two religions will not be solved by peace it will be solved when one side is extinct.
- oldhick, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1*****, he's stated repeatedly that attacking Iran is an option. He's no different than Bush/McCain/Clinton.
- lhbaker, on 05/12/2008, -1/+8You say this about somebody who hasn't made a single compromise during his campaign. Despite have little experience in Washington, he has built a movement in this country unlike anything in recent history. Obama doesn't strike me as a weak person. McCain, on the other hand, though having spoken openly against torture, now supports it. Despite saying that Bush is 'as dumb as a stump,' follows his party leader like a lovesick puppy. Bush burned him completely when they were both seeking the nomination, and now has adopted Bush's policies. McCain has already shown that he lacks spine. I just wonder how these early warning signs will manifest if he is elected.
- ad33lshahid, on 05/12/2008, -3/+12living in america i can not imagine having bombs raining down on me and my community-- i wonder what it must feel like for the people in the middle east to constantly have to live wth the fear of dying, just because some rich douchebags in a country thousands of miles away decided that their country was a part of the "axis of evil". there sure is an axis of evil, but i dont think iran or iraq are the ones that were in it.
- AlexanderZero, on 05/12/2008, -2/+12"The main talking-point has been decided: “Iran is killing American soldiers in Iraq.”
-Here's an idea: get out of Iraq and it won't be happening any more. Occupy Iran and you'll have Iran killing American's in Iran.
"Public opinion polls will show the public divided, but a majority in support of the action because, regardless of their feelings about the war in Iraq, they want to “support our troops” and after all, Iran was asking for it by interfering in Iraq and attacking us."
-What? Man, ***** all you people. I just turned 18... I swear if there's a draft I might just go burn a building down.- ad33lshahid, on 05/12/2008, -1/+7i'm sure there will be some pakistanis or afghanis that join the war in Iran against American troops... is pakistan going to be attacked next? and then just keep on going as "X is kiilling american soldiers in Y" keeps holding true?
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6Don't worry, the last thing they want to do is reinstate the draft. After all, then people might actually CARE and be motivated to do something about what is happening to our country.
- 1randomguyO8, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Correct me if im wrong but sometimes war is necessary to achieve geo-political goals in the region and protect the national interests, IMO. That's the reason John Howard and to a lesser extent countries like the UK and Poland joined the Iraq invasion. Australia's primary reason to support the war in Iraq was to strengthen the alliance. Especially when you have growing military giants in the region such as China, India and Indonesia. The world is not a fairy-tale land with butterflies and rainbows, a place between black and white and good and wrong and yes your government does lie to you.
(PS I'm not justifying war)
- demonic, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Provoking a war by "throwing rocks over the fence to see what they will do" is poor.
- lhbaker, on 05/12/2008, -1/+6Iran wants to sell its oil on a market based on Euros rather than Dollars. Allowing them to do so would further weaken the Dollar. The hegemony of the Dollar in the 20th century has been the basis of our economic strength, but the Dollar has weakend considerably in the past eight years. The oil bourse is Iran's 'nuclear option' against the US. Contries holding large amounts of US currency will dump said dollars back on the market, and the Dollar will become the new Peso. Iran may be killing US soldiers indirectly, but that's not what this is about. This is more about Iran killing the Dollar. Google 'Iran Oil Bourse' and see what I'm talking about.
- demonic, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2hasn't Iran already started doing this...
- oldhick, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1No, but many other countries have.
- oldhick, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1This isn't about currency. Our currency is being dropped around the world as the currency of trade. Unfortunately for your theory, China's reserves of US cash aren't going anywhere. They have the most significant impact on our currencies value, not Iran.
But its certainly a compelling story. I really enjoyed how you tied in the cables being cut. You should write one of those thriller novels!
- demonic, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2hasn't Iran already started doing this...
- lhbaker, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4More about the Bourse. This is an article written in 2006, and is pretty scary in it's precience. I don't know who or what runs energybulliten.net, but here are a few excerpt that were right on the money.
Here are a few of the options listed as recourse against the bourse:
- Sabotaging the Exchange—this could be a computer virus, network, communications, or server attack, various server security breaches, or a 9-11-type attack on main and backup facilities.
Remember when all the Internet cables were cut? That was during the exact week that the Bourse was launched. It didn't work.
-Joint U.N. War Resolution—this will be, no doubt, hard to secure given the interests of all other member-states of the Security Council. Feverish rhetoric about Iranians developing nuclear weapons undoubtedly serves to prepare this course of action.
Remember, this was written more than two years ago.
- Unilateral Nuclear Strike—this is a terrible strategic choice for all the reasons associated with the next strategy, the Unilateral Total War. The Americans will likely use Israel to do their dirty nuclear job.
It just gets more scary from there.
http://www.energybulletin.net/12125.html - Wacer, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5All this complaining about this will not help. Protesting on the streets versus sitting at ones home griping over the Internet are completely different. Do it the old fashion way or accept it the way it is. During the first Gulf War, there were tens of thousands in all the cities protesting. There was not much Internet then. Now that everyone has the Internet to gripe on, like a diary, the streets have been empty. The face value of a gripe on the Internet has about the same value as a spam you receive in your email.
- 1randomguyO8, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1In 2003 us Australians protested against the war in the streets. So did millions of others, did it work? Hell no. What can you do? No happy fairy-tale ended. I'm pretty opinion polls here in Australia showed that the majority of Australians were against the war but John Howard ignored us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_15,_2003_ant ... - macweirdo42, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3I don't know where you were, but at the beginning of the Iraq War, there were plenty of people protesting in the streets here. What did it accomplish? Everyone else just yelled at them, calling them Nazis, terrorists, and traitors.
- 1randomguyO8, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1In 2003 us Australians protested against the war in the streets. So did millions of others, did it work? Hell no. What can you do? No happy fairy-tale ended. I'm pretty opinion polls here in Australia showed that the majority of Australians were against the war but John Howard ignored us.
- GhostyBoy, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6I think it's been pretty well established that war with Iran is a really, really bad idea.
- empirefalling, on 05/12/2008, -1/+4America has become a pariah of the World Body. No other country is as detested as much as the United States. It’s military defeat in Iraq and Afghanistan is almost total. The excuses it gave for invading and occupying the two countries and killing over 2,890,000 innocent men women and children in the name of “ American Democracy” have been exposed as lies and trickery. With nothing left to fight with, with moral amongst it’s remaining troops dismal, the US struggles to retain even it’s own citizenry from waging confrontation upon it’s own elected officials. The US could not survive an attack on Iran. With allies in South America, in Europe and in Asia, Iran would prevent any US military assault on it’s realm and demolish once for all US military capability.
- oldhick, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Now that is simply put, over simplifying everything. First, how do you know that NO other country is detested as much as the US? Plenty of countries are detested, try China, North Korea, Iran, and Burma ( I refuse to call it anything other than Burma ).
Could you let me know which allies Iran has in Europe? Nearly every country in the EU has openly threatened Iran. If you read much you'd realize this is because Iran can directly threaten Europe. As for South America, Iran has limited support from Chavez, but you're seriously off on Irans international support.
I agree that attacking Iran is ridiculous, but you don't have to make up stupid ***** to prove that.
- oldhick, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Now that is simply put, over simplifying everything. First, how do you know that NO other country is detested as much as the US? Plenty of countries are detested, try China, North Korea, Iran, and Burma ( I refuse to call it anything other than Burma ).
- CrudeDarkness, on 05/12/2008, -3/+2the majority of the American people are stupid.
they will move behind their candidate like cattle or sheep.
Digg, do you remember your old buddy. Let me refresh your memory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBtL3NIcAvU&eurl=ht ... - aajjcckk, on 05/12/2008, -1/+3FOLKS - the military industrial complex is running your country and they want another war as it's part of the plan to keep the military machine generating large stacks of money (as in $trillion-sized stacks). If this bankrupts your country, kills your brave and honorable servicemen (and destroys their families), kills perfectly decent and innocent ordinary folk in Iran (who are not some hideous other alien entities but simply down to earth folk trying to live their lives, just like you), and basically just destabilises the world - do you know what? The people behind a war in Iran DON'T GIVE A *****. They look down on you, and all these people, as expendable assets.
I am not saying everyone in the military industrial complex is evil, or that everyone in Iran is good (some in Iran are fighting a war with the allies by proxy through Iraq). But really, the biggest mindset change the American people NEED to have is that, actually, the USA could be the BAD guys here, the evil side in this equation, and that blind patriotism is folly of the highest order. QUESTION EVERYTHING.
The other thing you need to ponder on is the combined force of all those new laws Bush brought in about controlling, spying on and incarcerating American citizens, about the exact classification of what constitutes a "terrorist" in the USA, about the likelihood of a (very) weak dollar combined with the invasion of Iran, and about the effects of a nuclear attack on Iran by the US (or by proxy, by Israel). What is the trigger point for invoking martial law in the US, and a de facto fascist dictatorship? Remember, those who voted Hitler in to power were living in a world class free society and thought Hitler was going to make their country better. Hitler also invoked the inside job of the Reichstag fire to galvanise people against a non-existent external threat. And then....you know the rest.... - NaziHatinChimp, on 05/12/2008, -3/+1When I was looking at the thumbnail on the top ten column this looked like a shot from guitar hero. Just sayin.
- borez, on 05/12/2008, -1/+3Somebody needs to invade the White House to be honest... it seems to be harboring quite a few terrorists itself.
- ssn697, on 05/12/2008, -2/+7So, when we trained Afghan troops, and gave them 100's of millions of dollars to fight the USSR, did anyone in America say the USSR has every right to attack us/invade us?
But now, Iran is helping to fight us, and it is a TOTALLY different story. Is that the claim?
This "when we do it, it is okay, but no one else is allowed to" mentality is unbelievable.- insomniacal, on 05/12/2008, -2/+3Last time I checked, "When we do it, it is okay, but no one else is allowed to" was the heart of every nation's foreign policy. Nations pursue their own interests and agendas.
- ssn697, on 05/12/2008, -3/+5Not my point. Don't blow smoke up my ass, pretending that we don't do the exact same thing. This mock shock over Iran's "behavior", and using it as a scapegoat when we do the exact same thing, it insulting.
It is fine if we claim it is in our national interest. Don't pretend it is some altruistic calling though. This whole "they shouldn't be interfering like we did" stuff is, as I said, insulting.- insomniacal, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3Wow. If anything, ssn697, I was agreeing with you. Please reread my comment -- my point was that _every_ nation pursues hypocritical goals and uses hypocritical rhetoric in foreign policy.
How is that blowing smoke up your ass? How is it pretending we don't do the exact same thing? I certainly didn't call it altruistic. It's not altruistic, it's _realistic_ -- a real yet sad state of affairs.
Go fight with someone who's actually disagreeing with you. ;-)
- insomniacal, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3Wow. If anything, ssn697, I was agreeing with you. Please reread my comment -- my point was that _every_ nation pursues hypocritical goals and uses hypocritical rhetoric in foreign policy.
- ssn697, on 05/12/2008, -3/+5Not my point. Don't blow smoke up my ass, pretending that we don't do the exact same thing. This mock shock over Iran's "behavior", and using it as a scapegoat when we do the exact same thing, it insulting.
- oldhick, on 05/12/2008, -2/+4It certainly was alright for Russia to attack us, that's why we built a deterrent.
Do you guys honestly sit at home behind your computers and think this about right and wrong? Do you honestly think that our administrations past and present our ignorant to the double standard? If you do than we are certainly lost as a people.
We can attack Iran because we CAN. They aren't allowed to kill Americans because we won't let them. Its not about right and wrong. We kill Afghani's and Iraqis because we can get away with it. They can't.
It was NEVER about right and wrong. The fact that you would make the statement "This "when we do it, it is okay, but no one else is allowed to" mentality is unbelievable." is unbelievable. I never knew people were this naive.- ssn697, on 05/12/2008, -3/+5Dude, grow the ***** up. I spent 6 years in the military, 4 on submarines. I wasn't saying it from some position of naivete. But YOU, my slow witted, pedantic friend, seem to not notice that we are pushing it in the media as a right and wrong issue. How can YOU be so naive, as to not see that?
Don't pre-suppose to roll out a decades old, tired argument as something fresh and new coming from your original thought. I became fully aware in 1983. I don't need a world affairs 101 lesson from someone missing the point.- oldhick, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Of course we push it as a right wrong issue... What else could it be pushed as??? I think you need quite a few lessons. You're the one asking the questions that the rest of us have been answering for years.
- ssn697, on 05/12/2008, -3/+5Dude, grow the ***** up. I spent 6 years in the military, 4 on submarines. I wasn't saying it from some position of naivete. But YOU, my slow witted, pedantic friend, seem to not notice that we are pushing it in the media as a right and wrong issue. How can YOU be so naive, as to not see that?
- insomniacal, on 05/12/2008, -2/+3Last time I checked, "When we do it, it is okay, but no one else is allowed to" was the heart of every nation's foreign policy. Nations pursue their own interests and agendas.
- postalblowfish7, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1we couldn't stop iraq, we can't stop this.
as soon as the media started mentioning iran a year and a half ago i knew it was all over. only an obama white house can save us. - clc989, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1I disagree about Obama. He didn't support the neocon lies about Iraq and he won't fall for it this time either.
- EdmontonEh, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1{sigh}
What is so wrong in this world? So much hatred, violence, and arrogance. It makes me sad. - bluto36, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4why can't everyone just go make sand castles and be friends?
- ssn697, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3I will SO kick over your sand castle, just before the judging starts ;-)
I had a turn sand into glass joke there, but edited before I scared the kids...- bluto36, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4i was hoping some one would see the setup.
- ssn697, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Give my a some Canola oil, and a good running start, and I can slide across 30 miles of Iran at a time!
- bluto36, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4i was hoping some one would see the setup.
- ssn697, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3I will SO kick over your sand castle, just before the judging starts ;-)
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