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- JonnyTrombone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+67This is also a PERFECT example of where William. Shatner. Could. Save. The. Day.
- DavidYeah, on 10/12/2007, -12/+60This is a perfect example of how conservatives understand language and manipulate it to control the debate in America. They understand that using two words close together repeatedly will tie the meaning of those words together, and shape how we understand the issue. So, simply saying "global warming" reinforces the idea of global warming in the mind of the speaker and the listener, and if you must say those words, then get them as far apart as possible so you don't reinforce the idea represented by the phrase.
Another example of this that I often site is Newt Gingrich's list of words to use to describe conservative Republicans and to describe Democrats and their proposals--- this list resulted in words like "bizarre", "strange", "out of touch," et cetera, to be tied to their Democratic opponents, and words like "honest", "strong" and "truth", to be tied to Republicans. While this is what normally happens in any debate, the fact that it was so deeply coordinated by the right is frightening, and shows one of the ways in which conservatives were able to make common sense, progressive policy seem ridiculous compared to conservative alternatives. - Insightful, on 10/12/2007, -5/+269/11 Iraq 9/11 Iraq 9/11 Iraq - Does that sound familiar? Look where we are now? Thanks Bush.
My next prediction: White House will bar the words "earth" and "round" to be used in the same sentence. - sundancekid503, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21yeah it's not cool anymore...
- kencyber, on 10/12/2007, -8/+25Some other Republican sound bites that have been repeated ad nauseum:
Liberal Democrats
War on terror
Support the troops
Cut and run
Winning strategy
Homeland Security
Spreading freedom
This isn't easy
I might have been wrong
I'm the decider
Screw the people
I've earned political capital and I intend to spend it
I'll veto anything I don't like
What, my popularity rating is under 30 now!??!?
Oh nooooooooooooooooooes! - DigeratiPrime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Read more about "Framing"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framing_(communication_theory) - Calypsoaf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I was thinking more along the lines of;
"The consequences of inaction will be global. Warming of the...." - DavidYeah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12LastVisibleDog: If you know anything about Frank Luntz, the main Republican linguistics expect that was most likely behind this, then this revelation is not surprising at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz - Hoodwinker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"We have a global problem. The earth is warming."
- gcauthon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9How about, "global warming is a problem and whoever told me not to say those words can go f**k themselves".
- Bleeblaow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Regardless of the premise that "word slipped through the crowd" does not sound credible enough to some of us, this seems like it could be true. Bush did not call it "global warming" during his State of the Union this year, and I'd imagine the White House would like to remain consistent in its non-use of the words "global warming."
- sbrown123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"Maybe they have a mailing list or something."
They do. Its titled "Talking Points". - Bleeblaow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8"If you think only the right coordinates their words - you clearly drank way too much of the kool-aid...and that is frightening."
It's certainly true that both sides do it. I think the right does a better job of "coordinating" it on a massive level. The left seems a bit less organized with their talking-points.
(Not that it's a good or bad thing, just an observation. The right is particularly talented at picking an issue and being consistent with the diction they use to express their opinions. Maybe they have a mailing list or something.) - armyvet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Buried as spam and justification is based on one of the commenters posts underneath the article on the website:
3. “word slipped through the crowd”?
Not that I enjoy defending this corrupt administration, but is this assertion anything more than an apocryphal anecdote?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — January 30, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
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I find it hard to believe that he would not be "allowed" to say the two words together when Bush and Snow and others from this administration have used the words themselves. - Dreww40, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Word slipped through the crowd that people do not need to have legitimate sources as long as the message bashes the Bush Administration.
- xcoastie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Wow, the "word slipped through the crowd" that has got to be official. No way some one could make that up.
And I used to think so highly of the "think progress" people.
Buried as LAME propaganda - zenmaster00100, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6buried as just hype with nothing creditable about the source in any way shape or form
- armyvet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Stupid edit function...
Not buried as spam...buried as inaccurate. - armyvet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Now see...*that's* something I could believe. Kinda like that conference bingo people play. You know what I'm talking about? You say so many of the current buzzwords in business or whatever industry you're a part of and you win.
So I could see Karl and George and Dick and Condi and him sitting around and saying, "okay, okay...here's the bet. You can't say "global warming" or you have to buy us all dinner or a round or whatever." Yeah, that's what happened. Dang. Why didn't I see that! We use to do that in the Army sometimes. Tell a guy they couldn't say a certain word during a briefing or they *had* to say a certain word during a briefing. It was always pretty funny. We'd all be laughing and everyone else would be looking at us wondering what's going on. - perrym, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"word slipped through the crowd" AKA anybody could have made this BS up.
- armyvet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5You believe that right?
- Wonderkind, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6On the other hand... "word slipped through the crowd" is just as likely to be a huge crock made up of *****, regardless of the party. There is no reason to believe this is anything but a rumor.
- wiremonkeymommy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3excellent strategy, works every time, especially for massive pink elephants that like to hang out in the middle of the room... heck, if you don't point them out nobody ever sees them!!
- thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Anyone ever played the "I have a secret" game?
One person whispers to the person next to them something. That person whispers it to the next, and so on. By the end, the original statement and what has "slipped through the crowd" are two entirely different things. - Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Absolute rumor-mongering. There is NO source for this at all. None. Yet here are all the Diggeral great thinkers swallowing this ***** stink-bait hook line and sinker.
DO any of your think for yourselves, or do you just mindlessly swallow anything that agrees with your viewpoint? - LastVisibleDog, on 10/12/2007, -24/+26"word slipped through the crowd" - Now that is a reliable source! What next, the neighbors dog told me? More drivel from Thinkprogress...what a waste of pixels.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2http://digg.com/politics/the_global_hoax
- benijuana, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10This is by far the most twisted this I have ever heard come out of their office.
Is this what the world is coming to?
Lame that we have to endure this for 2 more goddam years... - Rice, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6You get bored way too quickly when the stakes are so high. It's worrisome.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Dumb dogs....
- InetRoadkill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If you don't think that bushco actively engages in this sort of nonsense as policy, just review how many speeches they've given tying the words "9/11" and "Iraq" together. The bush administration (well except for Cheney) never explicitly said that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. Yet they never mention Iraq without bringing up 9/11 somewhere in the discussion. Thus, 9/11 and Iraq get tied together.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Negroponte isn't allowed to say 'global' and 'warming' in the same sentence purple monkey dishwasher"
- muikano, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2well, he also couldn't say "i ***** unwilling women." "Global Warming" isn't really in that category is it?
- armyvet, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5what's amazing is that you actually believe this tripe is reliable information!
But you know what? I actually heard from my brother-in-law (who works for an oil company in Houston) that employees don't pay high gas prices. They are issued special "gas cards" that get them reduced prices. And that's no lie. Serious as a heart attack. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Dumb dog....
- sansri88, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3im sorry...long paragraphs=no reading for me...
altho i hafta say the source is questionable (as a dem myself)
just my $.02 - WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Newspeak!"
- falafeljack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No one on the Whitehouse staff can say "Global Warming", instead they are REQUIRED to say "Global Climate Change". In fact, it is rare to hear ANY republican say "Global Warming". They have all been instructed to use "Global Climate Change" instead.
- ProfessorRiffs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Given the current state of the news outlets and media in general, "slipped through the crowd" is just as believeable of a source as anything else these days. Sad but true.
- GoneSouth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Dick? That you? How's the weather down in the bunker?
- AlfaWolph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Watch this if you want the real backstory on this type of thing. As the previous poster mentioned, it's the work of Frank Luntz who is clearly a really, really smart guy, he just works for the wrong team.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/persuaders/view/ - armyvet, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Yeah and Lord knows the Democrats don't have talking points. Oh wait. They don't. They've just been assimilated into the Borg so they all know automatically what they need to say and do.
Gimme a break
Of course everyone has talking points. - Bleeblaow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Yeah, and space aliens in flying saucers could visit our planet...it could be true."
How are these comparable? I could never put it past the Bush Administration to tell Negroponte specific combinations of words not to say.
Anyway, it's not like it's a terrible thing. Bill Clinton probably asked a few people to not talk about "sexual relations" or "the definition of is" for a while there. This sort of stuff is anticipated of politicians.
But the fact that you'd dismiss it because it was based off of an entirely plausible rumor only shows how little you have been paying attention for the past six years. - caboosemoose, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@inarguable
OK, out of 51 comments that hit the page before your rant I count 16 that either directly cast doubt on the veracity of the article's claims or indirectly mocked the article. A few more went straight to an attack on thinkprogress.org. By comparison I count 6 comments that directly or indirectly accept the veracity of the assertions. Most of the rest of the comments don't even come close to addressing the issue, either making jokes, talking about political deceit in general terms or otherwise ignoring that point. This sample of one alone immediately reduces the thesis "the overwhelming left partisan bias that the clear majority of Digg posters hold" to a level of complete fantasy I can barely even begin to describe.
And no, it is not necessary to be irrationally, deludedly partisan to despise George Bush. I could describe this point at length but my feeling is it isn't worth it, as the assertion is so obviously asinine.
One thing that obviously does go without saying: you're a complete tool.
@kencyber
"I'll veto anything I don't like"? The man's only used a Presidential veto once, give me a ***** break. - JesusIsSatan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I want someone to compile all the times a Bush official has used the words "global warming" together. Statistically, it should pretty much rule out any uncertainty that it's Bush policy if the tally is zero.
My favorite quote on Bush:
"You're talking about a president who says that the jury is out on evolution, so what possible evidence would you need to muster to prove the existence of global warming?" says Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Bush doesn't believe in the science of stem cell research either. He doesn't believe in it because he can't understand it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@benijuana
Dumb dog. - Bleeblaow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1TLDR.
- Bleeblaow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3It's not my fault you made a wall of text. I feel good that my "TLDR" annoyed you so much as to attempt a psychoanalysis of me.
However, I'm going to be perfectly candid with you. The only video game systems I currently own are a Playstation 2 and a Sega Dreamcast (which I only use to play old NES games). So, sorry, you missed the boat. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I just don't want to go through the uselessness of "debating" someone with the audacity to dub themselves "inarguable."
- anonydigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1comment abuse:
http://digg.com/politics/CBC_documentary_on_Global_Warming_Deniers_The_Denial_Machine
puts this rumor into context. -
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