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- Seldom, on 11/06/2007, -15/+137What can one person do? I'm 14, and when we talked about Bush in our Modern World class, everyone else in the class thought that Bush had just made a few mistakes and did not want any of this to happen. When I brought up that Bush had started the war for oil, and that he was similar to Hitler, I was thought of as a crazy radical '***** the system' type of person.
What can I do? - borninda818, on 11/05/2007, -7/+82VERY good question. A lot of people, not only students, feel your pain. I was talking to a lot of older, yet less educated, people and the subject of Iraq popped up. Of course they repeated what the news had told them with the occasional "Bush is stupid." When I said the the war was started for the sake of starting a war and that it was never meant to be won but maintained for money (haliburton) they just looked at me like I was saying the twin towers were brought down by Crab People.
Seldom, there isn't much u can do. Even if you bring up facts they will not believe you. Half my class thinks I'm some radical liberal for supporting Ron Paul when I am neither radical nor liberal. - bratpack8, on 11/05/2007, -3/+55I talk to my two sons all the time. They are 13 and 11, a perfect age to let them know that the pro-government message they hear in school isn't always the right one.
- jeffiek, on 11/05/2007, -6/+55Skip the Hitler routine. Godwin's law.
Other than that, just hang in there. The battle for freedom must be fought again and again with each generation. Don't expect too much from people at one time. Don't try to win an argument. That doesn't work. People must learn for themselves, so just give them the info and let them digest it.
DON'T try to be logical. Freedom may have logic on its side, but most people aren't logical. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
For information try these (the first is especially good for school)
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com
http://www.cato.org
http://www.fee.org - DarkRabbit, on 11/10/2007, -9/+53Important
- inactive, on 11/05/2007, -2/+43It wasn't raining when Noah built the arc. But it has already begun to rain for America. We work until the end of May just to pay our taxes. By 2040, USA Comptroller David W. Walker says there will be no money for anything but interest on the debt. No money to meddle in foreign affairs or to police the world, no money to fight an unseen, offshore enemy, no money to give away to "friendly" nations, no money for education, roads, bridges, or even defense.
Contrary to what Hollywood would have you think, dictators come to power within the law. And, when a open society finally closes it gets very ugly. At that point citizens go quit, realize the awful situation they are in, and have no idea how to escape it. History has shown that much bloodshed is required to re-open a closed society.
This guy is right. Speak up now before it is too late. - Sogui, on 11/06/2007, -9/+46Stop acting like a "***** the System" type.
Outline your arguments with REAL facts, supported with reason... not resorting to silly "***** the System" arguments like Bush = Hitler and that he started the war for oil, and not just as a misguided war on terror.
See? The more REASON you start using, the more REASONABLE you sound, crazy huh? - tech42er, on 11/05/2007, -1/+33*gunshot*
It wasn't the Jews who were complying. It was the non-Jews. The Jews had no choice. - AlexDenne, on 11/07/2007, -9/+39NO, I will not comply: Period.
If every jew in Nazi germany had said that, i wonder what would've happened... - DigDugDigger, on 11/05/2007, -2/+31That's something only Fox viewers can do... call Ron Paul supporters "liberal".
- Acewrap, on 11/10/2007, -3/+32So, you're advocating waiting until it gets that bad here before doing something? I'd rather take care of it before it gets to that point, thanks.
- paulisnotdead, on 11/05/2007, -1/+29I hear you, I'm 15 and last year we we're having a discussion about whether or not we should be required to say the pledge of allegiance, I said that it would violate your rights if we we're forced to, I was called a terrorist
- BrapAllgood, on 11/10/2007, -6/+32MUCH more: http://www.archive.org/details/Michael_Badnarik
- URnotheonly1, on 11/05/2007, -1/+22Cops in the school hallways, zero tolerance, LOCK DOWN. They are well on their way
- Pake, on 11/05/2007, -0/+20What people should be teaching kids is how to be CRITICAL of all news and INVESTIGATE for themselves. Too many damn extremist wackos on the left and right polluting their minds with ***** lies instead of pure facts.
- sk8oride, on 11/05/2007, -0/+18dugg for the crab people reference
- Acewrap, on 11/10/2007, -3/+21Yeah, people who don't know their rights usually end up as dupes.
- inactive, on 11/05/2007, -4/+20Keep on at it. My high school was filled with people who loved Bush simply for the fact that he helped daddy's six figure income. Just keep on voicing your opinion. I got a lot of crap for speaking out against the Bush administration at my school. I was called a communist, left-wing hippie, bleeding heart liberal, gay, *****, things of that nature, although none of them are actually true. I consider myself an Anarchist, so it was fun to listen to them horrifically mislabel me.
- Jeffler, on 11/05/2007, -6/+22Dude too far...
- Acewrap, on 11/05/2007, -0/+16Yes, don't forget to show your kids how to be subservient bootlickers.
- CkMaverick, on 11/05/2007, -0/+15While mentioning it to your young adult children is beneficial to them as citizens and our future; we should be focusing more on taking care of the problem ourselves and not passing it all off to our children because by then it might be too late.
- jetboyterp, on 11/06/2007, -3/+18I love the way the knucklehead who posted that video quotes from Abe Lincoln about not "perverting" the Constitution. When Lincol himself suspended habeus corpus, and basically pushed the limits of the Constitution itself during the Civil War.
- bluesnowmonkey, on 11/05/2007, -0/+15And then fly away in it.
- inactive, on 11/05/2007, -1/+15***** you I won't do what you tell me
- Aldrenean, on 11/05/2007, -1/+15At least they admitted that he was stupid... I live in northern Nevada, and many of the people who live here are part of the silent majority that got Bush re-elected in '04. My stepdad is one of the worst cases; he watches Fox News every night, regularly reiterating O'Reilly's points at the dinner table. If I say anything to the contrary he'll respond with things like "Bush is the president, thus you and every American owe him your obedience and respect." When he's watching Hannity and Colmes, I can hear him swearing at Colmes for being such a dumbass, and I shake my head in wonder at how well Fox News does what they do; they've set up an effigy of the "average liberal" in Colmes, thus further securing the conservative beliefs of their viewers. The main obstacle that liberals and libertarians face in this country is not the government, but rather the vast amount of people who allow the government to exist simply because they are deaf to anything else.
- ByteGuerilla, on 11/05/2007, -0/+13You, sir, are the ignorant one here. Even if he was wrong, and the war wasn't started for profiteering, and to keep the people afraid, entertaining these possibilities and examining everything is the duty of every corner of the citizenry, especially the press. Labelling this kind of investigative citizenship as ignorant is pure doublethink. You know ignorance is refusing to entertain thoughts contrary to your opinion, and yet you will assail someone entertaining such thoughts as ignorant. Plain and simple, you are a victime of doublethink; a wilfully ignorant citizen. You are a dictator's wetdream.
- WoollyMittens, on 11/05/2007, -1/+14The persecution of the jews in the 1930's had nothing to do with a police-state and everything to do with fascism. The public was convinced by a political leader that the jews were a common enemy of the people. There is nothing the jews could have done gainst that public opinion. Potesting would just have reinforced the stereotype of them being troublemakers. Also. Speaking out against the fascists got you lynched by mobs of brown-shirts.
The truly scary thing is that the neocons have invented a common enemy for the american public. Before, that common enemy was the Soviets, now the terrrrrists and by proxy muslims. You cannot win a war on terror. It is a phantom enemy. - arbulus, on 11/05/2007, -2/+15It's ignorant to believe that this war was started just to have a war? Do you really think anything will ever be accomplished? Have we stopped "terrorism"? No, we've made it exponentially worse. Have we caught Bin Laden? No, Bush disbanded the task force assigned to Bin Laden and has said publicly "I'm not concerned with him."
You call that ignorant? What exactly is ignorance in your mind? And what do you think is really going on here? - RobotBuddha, on 11/05/2007, -0/+13Jump ship. My family is the only branch that survived the holocaust, because we realized a minority will almost never win against a violent majority. So, my great grandparents just left when the kitchen started to get too hot. Loyalty to a country should only extend as far as it is loyal to you.
- Hoofenhoffer, on 11/05/2007, -0/+12"...When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent.
I was not a communist.
...When they locked up social democrats,
I remained silent.
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I remained silent.
I was not a trade unionist.
...When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent.
I was not a Jew.
...When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out..."
-Martin Niemöller - AustinMeoang, on 11/05/2007, -0/+11I'm 14, and my teacher once yelled at me and tried to give me detention for not saying the pledge, later that day I proved to him that I had the right to not say the pledge, and he said things like "Why do you have to be the rebel?" and hated me the rest of the year =/
- brandensnyder, on 11/10/2007, -5/+16It's scary that you have children.
- cl2yp71c, on 11/06/2007, -1/+12Incredible.
However, if he taught in a public school, he would unquestionably be fired. - borninda818, on 11/05/2007, -2/+13Bush is not like Hitler...however....Bush used many of the same strategies Hitler used to rally the people in support of a war. Saying Bush=Hitler is wrong...but some comparisons can definitely be made.
- arbulus, on 11/05/2007, -0/+11And I would suggest you need to grow up and actually learn to debate an issue instead of name calling.
- TheG2, on 11/05/2007, -8/+19Stop reading Digg so much.
- N256, on 11/05/2007, -2/+12Stop making every situation a matter of "Left wing" and "Right wing", you are dividing us.
- chris9902, on 11/10/2007, -13/+23You want to see a real police state? go to Pakistan.
- had3l, on 11/05/2007, -1/+11The best thing the jewish people could have done was just leave Germany BEFORE things got ugly, because they had absolutely no chance whatsoever. My 2 cents: Unless you want to be a martyr, move to Canada.
- jeffiek, on 11/05/2007, -0/+10Because the point is to communicate. When the audience's reaction to the name Hitler is to block out your message, then it is foolish to mention his name.
It isn't really important that the comparison is warranted. What matters is getting people to listen. There are plenty of ways to show the lunacy of what is called the US Federal Government. No need to pick one that alienates the listener. - NineVotesNow, on 11/05/2007, -4/+14I consider Bush to be one of the the worst Presidents in the history of the United States... however I think he has far too much "evil intention" applied to his character. In my opinion, the majority of the issues we are in today stems from his arrogance and inability to listen to dissenting opinions. The reason why I believe Iraq is a result of incompetence and not ill will is because we have not found weapons of mass destruction. If the government was truly evil and wanted to lie, why not simply forge the discovery of some weapons. BAM instantly we have a "legitimate" war. But we have not found any weapons, and that has destroyed the administration credibility (along with other things). So why would an evil government refuse to forge the discovery of weapons, something that would make their mission infinitely easier?
- arbulus, on 11/05/2007, -0/+10I'm not. ***** schools now are built like prisons: cameras everywhere, police everywhere, walls, fences with razor wire, it's insane. And it's not for the kid's protection, it's for the supposed protection of preventing school shootings. But you know what? If some poor bastard wants to come to school with a gun and blow a bunch of people away, he's going to do it regardless of cameras or police.
It treats children like criminals before anything has happened. The admins tell the students: "We don't trust you. You are all a bunch of heathen fools who will blow up this school if you had the chance and our chains are the only thing that stop you." Do you think that make kids want to learn? Do you think that makes them interested in anything admins or teachers have to say? It makes them distrust and disrespect the admins and teachers, and rightly so. Treating kids like criminals in prison is no way to earn their trust or to educate them. It only exacerbates any problems that do exist and creates problems that wouldn't otherwise be there. - PHLAK, on 11/05/2007, -0/+10"How do you know if the Constitution's been perverted if you haven't read it?"
- inactive, on 11/05/2007, -0/+10In another words: Start teaching them HOW to think instead of WHAT to think.
- billyjack1958, on 11/06/2007, -1/+10The Patriot Act, The Military Commissions Act of 2006, The John Warner Authorization Act and The Thought Crime Prevention Bill (currently in the Senate) among others, speak Very Loudly to the reality of a police state being created right here in the United States.
- limitGov, on 11/05/2007, -0/+9But you see, both parties are promoting big gov. They want to continue to force americans to pay for gov. controlled schools, and some even want to start giving the gov. to control health care. Both sides want to increase the number of monopolistic gov. controlled services. And most will continue forcing us to pay for the war.
- s14sh3r, on 11/05/2007, -0/+9Liberty can help you live a better life.
/Diabeetus - miketherazor, on 11/05/2007, -3/+12Well since the had a very strong gun control policy like much of the left in the USA wants, they had no choice unless they wanted to be shot in the street. They had no way to defend themselves.
- kd1s, on 11/05/2007, -1/+9What you do is the same thing the Bush administration has done. Keep beating the drum, eventually it'll sink into their thick skulls. Consider that it took the electorate in the United States nearly six years to realize what the Bush administration was all about.
And while many may think the administration a failure, you're simply looking at it from the wrong perspective. It has been wildly successful at its original goals.
Those goals were to enrich the friends and supporters of the administration and to bankrupt the federal government.
The reasons behind this have to do with the notion that the 14th amendment to the Constitution granted corporations the same rights as a citizen. We need to dispel that notion and if by force, so be it. Corporations run the show now.
Think for a moment what the effects of denying corporations rights would have. Truth in advertising, inability to be shielded from criminal prosecution are just two I will list.
And read about Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad 118 U.S. 394 (1886). It is considered the turning point in which corporations realized that if they claimed the same rights as citizens, they could run roughshod over us. - geddon, on 11/05/2007, -1/+9The challenge I face with raising my 12 yr old daughter is balancing her mother's pro-Bush rhetoric. I find it difficult to instill critical thought when the rote mentality reigns supreme: Don't think about what you're being taught, recite it to earn your A; Don't consider the effects your actions are having on the environment, purchase the latest fad to fit in with the crowd. However, I can only imagine how much more difficult it is to be caught between two parents on opposite ends of the spectrum!
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