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- anonymousmedic, on 11/10/2009, -6/+38There's a difference between protesting what Americans believe is an unnecessary war, and calling our soldiers baby murdering monsters with no soul.
- dfross, on 11/10/2009, -5/+37Actually, the armed forces don't decide to go to war, the government does. Those men and women signed up to be deployed as per the wishes of the government, that you (collectively) voted in, over the last 8 years.
You don't owe them anything, but the choice to kill/occupy wasn't theirs - they're doing their jobs. The decision was yours. - Atario, on 11/10/2009, -4/+35What we owe them is proper medical care (INCLUDING mental health), and setting them up to properly enjoy the benefits of the society they've served.
- frcc, on 11/09/2009, -27/+45American's owe it to the soldiers to start protesting unnecessary and illegal wars again. For some reason the antiwar left has vanished.
Now if you protest anything you're mocked and ridiculed as a teabagger and called a racist. If that mindset isn't reversed there are some dark days ahead. - neutrinodust, on 11/10/2009, -8/+25Freedom isn't free. Someone has to pay the price so that pukes like you can get welfare.
- overridemymind, on 11/10/2009, -5/+22"us troops = ***** cowards"
Says the guy who sits on digg calling people cowards from the safety of his keyboard.
Americanoboy -- I've said this before, and I'll say it again -- ***** you. - CaptCarrot, on 11/10/2009, -6/+22Oh look! Someone's vying for the prize of "Most Digg Downs for a Massive Display of Willful Ignorance." It was a tight race this year among the trolls, but I think The Unamericangirl just clinched the title!
- DeskFlyer, on 11/10/2009, -8/+24Wow, no veterans in this thread, apparently. Give up four years of your life to any branch of the military and you'll reenter the civilian world with an entirely different attitude. You may not owe us anything, but at least try displaying a bit of respect for people who volunteered to do something you never considered yourself.
- 4verageJo3, on 11/10/2009, -7/+22@amrikano boy -
Sad.
Reminds me of the brainwashed losers who spit on the troops and accused them of being baby killers as they returned home from Vietnam.
Nice to see cowards are still around, thanks to those who serve and protect them.
-A Vet - CaptCarrot, on 11/10/2009, -1/+16Why do you hate Presidents Kennedy and Johnson so much?
- dfross, on 11/10/2009, -3/+18@crosaks: I don't know why you quoted something I didn't say, unless you're trying to confuse things. Or you yourself are confused.
The army doesn't make the call about whether to go to war. The government does. - inactive, on 11/10/2009, -5/+19Americanoboy, either you are a troll, or an idiot or both.
- mollydog12, on 11/10/2009, -7/+21boy.
they made fun of you in school, didn't they ?
if it's a just world we'll all be given the opportunity to puke on you at least once. - trevor98, on 11/10/2009, -12/+25Ingrate.
- 45superman, on 11/11/2009, -0/+13Says quaxon: "at least those guys were drafted and were forced to go fight a morally unjust war. The ones fighting now all volunteered. They are the ones who truly deserve to be spat upon."
Just go ahead and try that, quaxon, and let us know how that works out for you. My guess is that you'll be doing some spitting afterward, as well--spitting your teeth out on the ground. - trevor98, on 11/10/2009, -5/+17Societies form for the common protection of each other. Some provide that protection externally while others provide it internally. Still others use those protections for other ends (both good and evil). Without that external protection the society gets invaded. The only country that doesn't need a military is one in which no one wants to live therefore no one will attack it. The military is what keeps a guy with a stick from conquering the society. Jealousy not retaliation is the most common reason for attacking another country.
There is a trust between service members and populace, "We're willing to sacrifice everything for your defense so use us wisely." We have ignored that deal for the last 50 years. We shouldn't deploy troops as a half measure- we need to mean it when we commit to a fight. The only peace with honor is called victory. - whatthefu, on 11/10/2009, -13/+25Shut up.
- rcacc65, on 11/10/2009, -1/+11The troops serve and hope that America will use them wisely. That's why its called service. One upon a time, such an idea was considered honorable. They don't make policy. And to sit around and blame every soldier for Abu Gharib is absurd. Do you blame every driver on the road for driving drunk and killing pedestrians? In the end, as has always been true with history whether you choose to admit it or not, those who cannot or would not fight will always be ruled by those who can.
- rwprice, on 11/10/2009, -5/+14wahhh... are you crying? Why don't you get a job that pays more than minimum wage, move out of your parents' basement, and contribute to society.
- REV0R, on 11/10/2009, -2/+11It's weird to think about the people who were here in the unit, and now aren't.
It's worse to wonder what it was all for. - neutrinodust, on 11/10/2009, -4/+13Atario is so right. My father served in WWII and saw combat. He was injured and spent time in a hospital in France. Like so many people, he could have milked the government for his injury, but being the proud american he was, he never asked for anything. He never collected unemployment, disability or any other hand-out.
My dad worked until the day he had a stroke 5 years ago - he was 80. My mother took care of him until she passed this last June. My father spent the last three months of his life in a nursing home. He passed two weeks ago. He had no possessions other than a car that he gave to his grandaughter.
Here's the kicker. MEDICARE DID NOT PICK UP 1 CENT OF HIS NURSING HOME CARE. Not 1 cent. The only thing his country provided for him was a flag in his casket. That's it.
We can provide illegal aliens with hospitalization, but will not give 1 penny to someone who served their country. WHAT"S the matter with this system? - overridemymind, on 11/10/2009, -0/+9"I make more money than all you ***** put together."
Seriously? THAT'S your response? C'mon, man, come up with a response that doesn't make you sound like an 8th grader. - overridemymind, on 11/10/2009, -0/+8"methinks the difference between the those 10 assclowns and the rest of you is they were dumb enough to take pictures. "
I personally think the troops that do ***** up ***** over there are among the worst scum on the planet. Things like raping and (intentionally) murdering, the Abu Graib incident, etc.
Trouble is -- I'm a Soldier. So I guess that blows that theory out of the water. Just because we wear a uniform doesn't mean we have no morals, that we're rapists and murderers, that we're all torturers, etc. You wanna know what I do? I fix computers and radios. I'm basically Army Geek Squad. Raping and Pillaging doesn't really fall into my personal M.O.
[EDIT] -- Also, personally, I don't expect you to "bow and scrape" anything. I don't expect a "Thank you", and I don't expect a military discount. What I do expect, however, is to be seen for who I am, what I've personally done, and treated as you would like others to treat you. That's it.
Personally, I don't think you owe me anything more than mutual respect for a fellow human being. - overridemymind, on 11/11/2009, -0/+8"***** them for being too stupid to find anything better to do."
Too stupid? One of the reasons I joined was because there was no way I could afford to go to a decent college. My test scores were among the highest in the area. However, my family was exceptionally poor, my parents couldn't afford to send me to even a community college, and where I came from there were few, if any, scholarships. No one in my area would give me a student loan, as my family had poor credit history (not to mention, I was 18, and didn't want to be in debt until I retired, as the interest rate was astronomical) So, I had a few options. I could be a coal miner, a farm hand, or I could take the third option -- The Army. The Army gave me a chance to live up to my potential, along with continuing my education. It also trained me to the knowledge level of an IT Administrator (not bad for On-the-job training)
In the meantime, I get paid factory-worker wages, often work 12 to 15 hour days, and get separated from my Wife (and all the comforts of home) for years on end. When it's all over, I get to come home to these -- asinine, slanderous comments concerning not only my intelligence and morality, but my value as a human being. I get called "baby killer, murderer, rapist, scum, filth, and stupid" by people who work 9 to 5, come home to their families, and watch some of the more mentally-challenged Soldiers make the rest of us look like asses on CNN or Fox News. The same people then log onto digg, and proceed to call me a coward.
I have never shot anyone, nor will I ever murder someone. I will, however, return fire on someone who is actively trying to kill me. If that alone makes me a murderer in your mind -- ask yourself -- "what would I do if someone were trying to kill me?"
I sometimes question the war, but still deploy when ordered to - as I do not have a choice in that regard.
Finally, I don't think any of you owe me anything. I don't expect any more respect than the next guy. I don't expect a "Thank you", and I don't even expect a military discount. What I do expect, however, is to be seen for who I am, what I've personally done, and treated as you would like others to treat you. - 45superman, on 11/11/2009, -1/+9Right back atcha, mama's boy.
- Skyplatoon, on 11/10/2009, -4/+11I know my history quite well actually, it is one of my passions. I don't care to know who you are but i can tell that ignorance actually plays a vital role in your daily life. If you had any hint of intelligence you would certainly rescind your comment about our soldiers being pussies because that is a joke. So you hope i get sniped huh? My guess is that you're maybe....18-20, have failed at most things in your life and are drawn to an extreme point of view to compensate for many lacking things in your life. But who knows.........
- DreadPirate, on 11/10/2009, -2/+8Big words coming from a coward who can do nothing but hurl insults at the military from the safety of an anonymous digg account.
- awinters, on 11/10/2009, -1/+7We owe them everything it takes it to keep them safe and away from unnecessary harm.
- overridemymind, on 11/10/2009, -0/+6To be fair, Botcha -- we're paying for it, too. We pay taxes, just like you, AND we get separated from our families, and some of us even pay for it with our lives. So we're paying double, sometimes triple what the civilians "pay" for the war -- if you just want to look at the raw cost of the situation.
I still stand by this -- put the blame on the politicians if you disagree with the war. - rwprice, on 11/10/2009, -5/+11except your mommy, where you live in the basement.
- Naidim, on 11/10/2009, -1/+7"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." - John Stuart Mill, 1865
- mollydog12, on 11/11/2009, -1/+7superman.
i heard on the radio yesterday about a woman with 2 vagina's. now, on digg, i'm confronted with a man, i think, quaxon, ( whatever the f*ck that is), who apparently has 2 vagina's and is a dick. a coward and a dick.
i don't support abortion on demand. but there may be occasions, such as quaxon, where the society would be better served if air never filled their lungs.
i don't know. i'm not sure even a bad childhood could produce something so deformed and ugly. maybe it's the water. - ylikone, on 11/10/2009, -1/+6There is a country that doesn't need an army... but pretends to have one... it's called Canada. Canada's military infrastructure truly sucks but I think the idea is that if anybody would attack they can depend on the US to be there.
- GusterBear, on 11/10/2009, -4/+9I agree with the others here in saying what is owed to our veterans and servicemembers is medical care, mental health care, other assistance when needed, and to not get into wars we don't need to fight (ergo they are not expendable bodies to be used on a whim). We owe them respect for their time, and what they have done, the same for anyone who serves the community-at-large like Police Officers, Firefighters, EMTs, Disaster Relief Volunteers, and others.
What we do not owe to them or anyone is to bend down and kiss ass. Not all, but a handful of veterans and ardent supporters make you believe if you are not bowing down and worshiping the ground our veterans grace then you are some how disrespecting them. I especially dislike how the author of the article starts off by getting his shorts in a knot over someone dressed in a pseudo-Nazi uniform for Halloween, and how no one was offended. Kind of late for that, since Nazis, Hitler, and the other evils of WWII are the perfect insult for others, especially politicians people don't like. Nazis have been reduced from a mass-murdering society of evil, to public option healthcare and their backers. The camps at Auschwitz and Dachau are now euphemism for doctors visits for the elderly who are dying. So why only the 'outrage' when someone masquerade as a Nazi for Halloween? If anything, the display is disrespectful to millions of people whose only crime was heritage. The soldiers knew what they signed up for/drafted into. They knew what their job was. The victims of the Holocaust and other acts of genocide didn't have that. If there is any reason to be upset over the costume, veterans fall to the very very bottom of that list. - overridemymind, on 11/11/2009, -0/+5"your sole job would be to shoot anyone who doesn't want to play along with America's brand of freedom"
Again -- Shooting people is not my sole job. And I think you missed the part where I won't be shooting at anyone unless they're shooting at me in the first place.
"So you fully admit to being a brainwashed pawn."
Um... No. If I were a "brainwashed pawn" I wouldn't be calling ***** on the war(s) at all. You do know what brainwashing is, right?
"You would go fight a war you are not 100% sure about just because you were ordered too? "
Yes - because the alternative is federal prison, for one. The whole "just because you were ordered to" implies that civilians think that ignoring an order carries no repercussions whatsoever. I assure you, it does. Not just for me, but for my family, as well.
"Once again, yes you did, You ***** enlisted for christs sakes!"
Did - past tense. Do - Present tense. I did at one point, yes. I enlisted. That choice to refuse to deploy is no longer there. It does not matter if I agree with the war or not.
"What i would do is never put myself in a war-zone as an invader"
That isn't what I asked. People can kill each other outside of a war zone. The question stands -- What would you do if someone were trying to kill you?
"They never had a choice to fight like you did" -- are you serious? You do realize that the majority of the populace in Afghanistan doesn't fight us, right? It's taliban, and taliban-supporters fighting us -- the populace is sitting back and watching. So yes, they do have a choice to fight.
"If it was another country attacking us on our soil, would you just forfeit yourself or fight back?" Of course, I would fight back. And yes, that's what the Taliban is doing, to a degree. Unfortunately, the Taliban isn't fighting for patriotism, or to defend their country. They want control of the country returned to them. That's why they're fighting us in-country. Simply because we're there, and we're blocking their way to retaking the nation.
"Even the ones who dont want to fight get killed each day simply because they can't read and some trigger happy jarhead shoots them approaching a check-point too fast" You do know they give audible warning, as well, right? If the person is still approaching too fast in a vehicle, we shoot out the engine block to attempt to stop the car. You realize that we do everything possible to stop those people before we shoot them, right? If they ignore us, then we err on the side of our own safety - as we can't possibly know if that person who refuses to slow or stop is going to blow us up or not.
"By going there, killing these people and aiding in the oppression of Iraq/Afghanistan, you are in my mind and the mind of any other truly moral human a murderer."
Again, I'm not going there to kill these people. Also, oppression of Iraq/Afghanistan? How are we "oppressing" them? Oh, I guess building new hospitals and schools - training doctors and teachers, as well as rebuilding their army is oppression. I guess helping to build power plants and modernized water systems is oppression? Yes, there are many, many horrible things that happen over there - but we are doing some good, as well.
quaxon - you clearly have a closed mind, unable to see any viewpoint or facts outside of your own agenda. You are NO BETTER than the other side of the spectrum who blindly support everything the Bush Administration ever got us into. You are a far-left wingnut, as opposed to a far-right wingnut.
Also, I noticed you didn't respond to my offer to donate money to you, so that you could leave the country. You said yourself - you'd leave the country if you could afford it. I'm offering to help you make that dream come true. - inactive, on 11/10/2009, -7/+12We owe these men and women everything.
- trevor98, on 11/10/2009, -0/+5Canada and Belgium have the same Army, it's called NATO (backed by the force of the US). Outsourcing your military doesn't mean you don't have one.
- Skyplatoon, on 11/10/2009, -8/+13I consider people who have served to be a higher class of citizen. You have my deepest respect and thanks. Know that the majority of people responding with comments like the ones above could never fathom serving others. They have always been and will continue to be a major part of whats wrong with this country.
- simosimosimo, on 11/10/2009, -3/+8Another article about some super sensitive douche and his feelings. I am serving in the US Army right now and I don't get all bent out of shape over someone's costume.
- trevor98, on 11/10/2009, -1/+5Don't like the military- see what happens without one on your side. Plenty of people are buried in mass graves that didn't have defenders.
- DrNemo, on 11/10/2009, -6/+10The left and the right are frauds.
- Skyplatoon, on 11/10/2009, -5/+9***** you, you piece of *****. The most evil empire the world has ever seen? Since when are we an empire? When have we EVER taken a piece of land before during or after any engagement we have been in? If you really knew how dedicated the majority of our people are to genuinely helping those in need then you would wake up from your little coma and thank someone around you who has the courage to serve for others. I hope someone spits on you.
- cajungal, on 11/11/2009, -1/+5I just want to send out a thank you to our veterans for their service.
My freedom is the most precious thing I have this side of heaven and I know that without our military we would have long ago been overrun by tyrants and I would never have had the chance to even taste freedom...so thank you, veterans. - sodade, on 11/10/2009, -4/+8Actually, it is quite clear to anyone not blinded by misplaced pride that this strategy is, by far, the most counter-productive thing we could do.
- trevor98, on 11/10/2009, -2/+6We don't "need" to fight any wars. We chose to in order to continue. Like it or not, there are groups out there hoping for other groups destruction (for whatever reason). I have lived in a lot of places and by far I like the US the best- the only place better is my utopia in my head but I'll settle for the US over anywhere that actually exists.
- inactive, on 11/10/2009, -1/+5Since America, in your opinion is the most evil empire in the world, I will GLADLY pay for your one way ticket, to ANY other country you choose. I will pick up the cost of moving you, your belongings ANYWHERE you want.
If you do not live in the USA, PLEASE, never visit, never purchase anything "made in America" or benefit from anything connected with the USA.
If George Patton were alive....he'd slap your face. (or shoot you) - raggsat98, on 11/10/2009, -1/+5What draft? There has not been a draft in the US in over 30 years.
You are an imbecile. - stompk291, on 11/11/2009, -0/+4"Using your freedom of speech to degrade soldiers is like degrading farmers with your mouth full."
wow. I'll give you credit for this 3 times. then when I use it after that, it's mine. - BillE3, on 11/11/2009, -0/+4Using your freedom of speech to degrade soldiers is like degrading farmers with your mouth full.
Enjoy your freedoms while they last. They will not last long if you do not want them defended.
There are 57 nations that no longer enjoy the same personal freedoms they had before. Every one of them has fallen under an oppressive form of rule that strictly limits personal freedoms, many of those limits are directed at the women. -
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