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- inactive, on 02/10/2008, -11/+90Did anyone expect the party that hates government would be able to install a working government in a country that hates being occupied by foreigners? Typical right wing cluster-*****.
- Adamande, on 02/10/2008, -2/+45And who, exactly, has democracy? True democracy. Honest democracy? Which country is so perfectly run by a population so empowered that they can afford to spread their superior values by force to others? The US definitely does not fit in that category, and I can't really think of anyone else who does either. And besides, I can't stress enough that democracy was never...ever..the reason Bush rolled into Iraq. It was WMD. That was the story. The ONLY reason for the war coming from the White House during the first months of invasion. When they didn't find WMD's they switched reason. Now it was Saddam's close ties to Al Qaida that legitimized war. When that turned out to also be a blatant lie, they switched again, and now they are just doing this in undisclosed newspeak and claim to spread "good" values in a "bad" place when they in fact are doing something resembling the exact opposite.
- trghpy, on 02/10/2008, -6/+45Don't forget said party also hates foreigners in its own country.
- ussoldier, on 02/10/2008, -3/+41we don't even want democracy in america... hell, its not democracy, its a joke in this country. its called representational democracy, where you vote for someone else you don't know personally to vote for you... what kind of crap is that? and then there are those who assert, america is not even a democracy at all, its a republic with some democracy undercurrents...
ok, so if america's not a democracy, you can not say we are bringing democracy to any other country, because america is not democratic, period. its a republic. you're bringing republicanism to other countries, or rather, lets be truthful, olgiarchy imperialism. - trghpy, on 02/10/2008, -2/+24"We have brought to Iraq the worst of America -- our bureaucrats"
They said the same thing about Vietnam...
I believe many pundants have related the two a number of times for years.
I believe thats what happens when you do stuff that both your people the "liberators" and the "liberties" didn't like the whole war to begin with. - Malevolant, on 02/10/2008, -6/+28You make valid points. I think if they absorb western culture then they die a slower death. I'm anti-mass consumerism to ad nauseam, but if it were to put men and women on equal footing, end murder over religious idolatry, and improve their daily lives, sadly, I'd have to support it. Western culture is such a parody of itself now that it's hard to fathom how and when it went so bad. I'm talking how entertainment became the dictator to our collective morality and ethics. It seems no one get any of their morality and ethics from anything other than movies, music, videos, etc. and so it has created a society built upon nothing but the shallow, the unethical, the perversion of everything that used to be acceptable and "normal". We Americans rarely leave our houses now because we have been sold a change in lifestyle full of HDTV's, the internet, video games, etc. What was supposed to bring people together, the internet, only further divided us and created a nation of millions of loners. We don't care about anything but ourself and our material possessions.
How ridiculous is it that people drive around with $2000 rims when they could actually created a real change with that money by helping others? We are narcissistic to a fault and we have no idea on what true charity is about. We aren't involved in anything that isn't self-serving or devoted to our personal interests. Our elected leaders, governments, multi-national corporations count on our collective apathy and that is why we are in our current state. Sure, the world is falling apart, but as long as we are on XBL, on our HDTV's, sipping Starbucks, spanking it to the porn we download, in between sessions of WoW, why would we give a *****? This is the fault of current and past generations and their lack of realizing any true potential we had or have.
America has much more to offer than blowing up ***** in foreign countries, being seen as the most spoiled whiney, and geopolitically ignorant people in the world. We need to really step back and realize that even though we contribute a ton of good in this world, we could do so much more, if only we cared about others who don't have it anywhere near as well as we do. I'd love for our current generation to be looked at for more than being drunk, slutty, stupid, lazy, ignorant, and not caring about anything other than our collective selves. How great would it be to contribute so much that we could share the stage with our grandparents generation? They are the ones who built our society, our institutions, our infrastructures, pretty much everything and this was in a time way before the birth of megalomaniacs, of which, our world is currently infested with. I want this generation to meet that generations ideals, goals, and contributions to all parts of, all lives, world wide. - stringerbell, on 02/10/2008, -1/+23How much you wanna bet that tomorrow morning, the Bush Administration starts distancing themselves from the author of the memo, before attacking and smearing, and finally firing him?...
- mal1964, on 02/10/2008, -0/+19No they're Target people
- Azerael, on 02/10/2008, -5/+23The worst of Saddam's Iraq was better than the best of today's Iraq.
- rrwiz, on 02/10/2008, -7/+23Democracy = paper ballots and an auditble paper trail. How could the US possibly "export democracy" ? what a phenomenal lie we have become
Diebold vote machines are rigged!!!! - simg, on 02/10/2008, -2/+17as i understand it, the muslim / arab world considers our western culture of selfish commercialism to be a form of mass mental illness.
- AlienMushroom, on 02/21/2008, -2/+16So where did the money go? A couple of trillion can't buy a working embassy?
I see, cuz the money fell into lockheed martin and ge's deep pockets. - GhostyBoy, on 02/10/2008, -0/+13We have brought to Iraq the worst of America....
....and lowered the bar within America at the same time. - steveoco, on 02/10/2008, -2/+15Installing democracy was never the plan... sustaining a war IS the plan. The longer this war goes on the people profiting from it will make money.
- jaymzdean, on 02/10/2008, -2/+15It would be a Republic if the Constitution held any water. It doesn't. Republics guarantee individual liberty. You've lost yours.
- GhostyBoy, on 02/10/2008, -1/+12"We were happy to be rid of Saddam, but what came after was worse."
- An Iraqi citizen, from the documentary "No End In Sight" - Dumbledorito, on 02/10/2008, -1/+12Wait, what private sector is he talking about? The Amercian one I'm familiar with would give those responsible bonuses, blame failures on unions or over-regulation, and then get a bailout from Bush.
And thank god a businessman was elected to run the United States' affairs. I can't imagine how much worse things would be if someone unfamiliar with the efficient and responsible manner in which profit-driven entities are run hadn't been at the helm. - Rileyper, on 02/10/2008, -2/+13did they finally get a walmart
- adeptusarts, on 02/10/2008, -0/+10Please do not forget who put Mr Saddam in his position of power. George bush senior was the CIA chief of the middle east in 1964. It was our country that supported him for 30 years.
WAKE UP! - RogerStrong, on 02/10/2008, -2/+12>> If they inundate the country with McDonalds, Starbucks, digital
>> cable with 20000 channels, SUVs, glazed doughnuts,
You underestimate the power of glazed doughnuts. - PhilMoskowitz, on 02/10/2008, -0/+9They've fired anyone else who've demonstrated any competence or sense of professionalism. I have no doubt they'll drop this guy like a hot rock.
- captbbq, on 02/10/2008, -0/+7ABC did a rare and great thing, they included a link to the actual ***** memoe HERE:http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/Manuel_Miran ...
Did anyone bother to read it? So many here attack him for being a partisan hack, but if you read through it realize, when you are posted there you loose all touch with circle jerk party attachments and work on the job at hand.
His memo is a good read, I can tell he is impassioned on the part of doing his job and getting results, but in realizing the futility of his efforts has sent this memo, which will kill any future job prospects for him. But he doesn't care, because he is over there. He doesn't care about your partisan bitching, because it is here and not there. - Malevolant, on 02/10/2008, -1/+8Not gushing because that would involve being proud of what I speak of. What i said is relevant as I see it and you dont have to agree. This is what free speech is about so just bury me if you dont like it. Im not projecting, I am reflecting on what I see all the time. Im not preaching about how bad America is. I am referring to our we sell ourselves short, we seem to have no goals, and we care about nothing but ourselves. If you think this is false then you should look around. Im not saying all of us are this way but quite a few are. I love America and what it stands for unlike a lot of people here so you wont see me ***** on America, only Americans who dont appreciate what we have.
Do you really expect me to go dig up sales numbers on $2000 rims? Where I live even the people over 30, 40, and older have them. Its a joke. I know one guy who spent $15000 on rims, no joke. I just dont get that but I dont expect you to get it either...its my deal and not yours. I dont write anything her to be validated as it is perfectly valid for myself and thats what matters. Once again if you dont like it dont read it.
As for racial profiling, yes, when only certain people, arab muslims, are blowing up planes, car bombing, etc., and this is fact, I believe you look at them harder. Its common sense and it has nothing to do with racism. Why do the police ask for a description after a robbery? They ask about their features, skin color, etc. The terrorists purposely try to fit in, to gain our trust to do maximum damage. Remember the guys who blew up the buses in London that killed almost 100 people? People like that count on our passiveness, our ignorance to danger, and our apathy in terms of protecting ourselves. Im not calling for them to be executed but when you have one definitive group doing this what sense does it make to pull an old lady out of line? That would be pointless and stupid. They might not admit to it being done but I guarantee you it is. If one thinks otherwise, I wish ignore common sense like that. - bowens44, on 02/10/2008, -1/+7republicans don't hate government, that's obvious . When republicans control congress and the white house the size and intrusiveness of government always increases. In the case of the current administration these increases are some largest in history. What republicans do hate is a government that cares about its people.
- icebrk, on 02/10/2008, -0/+6This is just history repeating itself. The only way to keep a country that has several groups of people that have seriously bad blood between them is a strong dictator that rules with an Iron Fist. Saddam for Iraq, Tito for Yugoslavia, and Stalin and the like for the USSR. I wish the government would have paid attention in history class, maybe we wouldn't keep repeating the same mistakes.
- smacksaw, on 02/10/2008, -1/+7My God...they have reality TV and country radio stations now?
- Spoomeister, on 02/10/2008, -0/+6We have drive-thru beer stands? Where?
- PhilMoskowitz, on 02/10/2008, -0/+5Y'all should just pet your coon hound and turn on Jay Leno. He'sum funny guy.
- TheAtomicMoose, on 02/10/2008, -1/+6I pee on you.
- Xenufield, on 02/10/2008, -0/+5"its called representational democracy"
It's called a Constitutional Republic actually. And the idea was never to have US Senators, or the POTUS, decided by the people via a popular vote.
The idea was that we the people would elect our state and local officials, and House reps in congress. For the Senate, our states would appoint them to go oversee the House, they did not campaign, they had no special interests. Our POTUS would be decided by the electoral college, who would decide based on their views, which are what we put them in office for.
Instead we have a ***** up senate that panders to special interest and pork, and an election for the POTUS which the people are directly involved with, that I've known since 1st grade isn't a popular vote and isn't suppose to be, yet is being made into one by states like NJ. - JDove6, on 02/10/2008, -3/+8Yea where was your boy bush when it was time for war?
- PhilMoskowitz, on 02/10/2008, -2/+7You're lost in the semantics there I'm afraid. Saying it's not democracy it's a republic is like saying it's not a banana it's yellow. Representative democracy can and does exist inside a republic. The idea being since you can't spend your entire day concerning yourself with the affairs of state you essentially hire an educated professional to do that for you. It works all over the world when you have an informed populace. Just because it's ceased to function in America because of the criminally corrupt system of funneling money to these politicians by the oligarchical forces doesn't mean the system is inherently unworkable. You just have a demonstrably ***** way of applying it.
- induren, on 02/10/2008, -0/+5This document will be used by right-wingers to show that the Iraq plan was wonderful and god-sent, but the darn State Department screwed it all up. I see not one critical comment made towards anyone but the State Department. I took the 20 minutes to read the entire document. It is propaganda pure and simple. The author explicitly has this in mind and reveals it by stating, "A legal comparatavist scholar will some day document the opportunities we had and lost to enhance the legal culture of Iraq." Indeed the author is looking towards the future, and basically wants to do what he accuses the embassy of doing: pointing fingers and blaming others instead of himself. Thucydides he is not.
- inactive, on 02/10/2008, -0/+4So, there are people that still believe that what the US is trying to bring to the middle east countries is democracy? Slow much?
- mal1964, on 02/10/2008, -0/+4No. Costco had the lowest bid, but Halliburton got it with the promise of having a ratio of five employees to one guest for personal guest service,
- inactive, on 02/10/2008, -1/+5To be fair, I'm not sure I know a country that would love the thought of being occupied by foreigners.
- endlessoul, on 02/10/2008, -0/+4Maybe it is.
I say that in a reflective way, not in an inflammatory way. - GoatRoper, on 02/10/2008, -0/+4Was??
- rdaly92, on 02/10/2008, -0/+4but they do have to have a costco right? I mean, everyone NEEDS a costco.
- trghpy, on 02/10/2008, -4/+7Freedom? Sounds like you need AA.
Freedom comes from the ability to move your residency. Its called consumerism, laws are created because the people wanted them if you don't like said laws, move somewhere with out said laws.
Just like there are many brands of beer, there are many brands of laws. Find the combo that fits you. - DickyT83, on 02/10/2008, -2/+5Is this supposed to be surprising?
- xTRUMANx, on 02/10/2008, -0/+3"...that trying to push democracy on a place like Iraq will never work"
This has been suggested before, not specifically about Iraq, but about nations with closed societies.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_J_Curve:_A_New_Wa ... - More4, on 02/10/2008, -0/+3chicofaraby - great comment!
- xdevit, on 02/10/2008, -0/+3Just think at what our great great great.... great grandchildren are going to think / say about us.
- PhilMoskowitz, on 02/10/2008, -0/+3Or you can watch the videos of someone actually rigging the voting machines. It's entirely up to you.
- inactive, on 02/10/2008, -0/+3Bush and Cheney are in Iraq? Weird.
- empirefalling, on 02/10/2008, -1/+4The defeat of the American Military in Iraq and Afghanistan by the civilian population of those countries
has verified that the US is no longer able to wage war. The economic decline of America is well documented and the future for this country is bleak. It’s eventual break up into separate independent nations is on the horizon. It can longer survive as a single constituency. - skeeto, on 02/10/2008, -0/+3I find it funny how the US government and media are first to scream vote fraud when elections of other nations don't turn out how they like, but when things are fishy here it goes ignored. The Hacking Democracy documentary that aired on HBO a couple years ago proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, how the election system here can be and has been tampered with. Election monitors in Ohio actually went to jail for tampering with the last one. Bev Harris continues exposing these machines and the people behind them at blackboxvoting.org yet this issue doesn't get as much press as it obviously should.
Hillary is going to be our next president. I don't think it matters how popular Obama or anyone else is. There is already some evidence that he was jipped in New Hampshire. I also find it interesting that all these opinion polls and exit polls have a completely different result than the actual vote. Apparently this is a new phenomenon that began after the electronic voting machines started being used. Voter News Service used to accurately predict election results based on exit polls for decades until 2000 and on, when, apparently most people who get asked who they voted for on the way out decided to start lying. That's the excuse the media has used anyway. Clearly it's easier to believe someone is fiddling with the results than hundreds of thousands of people choosing to tell the exit poller that they voted for someone other than who they actually just voted for. That alone is a major red flag. - Myztry, on 02/10/2008, -1/+4America's approach to democracy is somewhat like the Borg on Star Trek. It's all about technology and the collective...
- clyde2801, on 02/10/2008, -1/+4The neo-cons have also brought the worst of America to America. What's your point?
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