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- inactive, on 09/11/2008, -0/+19“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”- Benito Mussolini
- palehorse864, on 09/11/2008, -0/+16Indeed he was, turns out he DIDN'T make the trains run on time.
- Sicarius, on 09/11/2008, -0/+16Tell it to the Ethiopians he had mustard gassed.
- inactive, on 09/11/2008, -3/+18isnt the USA doing the same!, when it says that i order to defent its people, it attacks other countries!
- Izacus, on 09/11/2008, -1/+16Italians were trying to shift the blame from their crimes through all the time since WW2. This is nothing new.
I just find it sickening that such a nation can deny what they did in that time. If Germans and everyone could come to terms with that, I see no reason why Italians should be allowed to bring back fascism in apologetic light. - enclaved, on 09/11/2008, -1/+15for some reason whenever I think of ice cream the word want comes to mind.
- Izacus, on 09/11/2008, -1/+13Actually, I live in a country that was invaded by Italians in WW2 and they were actively trying to kill our language.
Not to mention they managed to record movies which depict partisans as a bloodthirsty monsters killing poor italian families... on occupied land no less.
Mussolini managed to bully it's way to the leadership of the country and after that occupied other countries with the help of Nazis. Such man cannot be misunderstood. - lovecss, on 09/11/2008, -1/+12Every time I hear his name, I'm always reminded of http://xkcd.com/282/
- DOCNM, on 09/11/2008, -0/+11Italy has become a desperate case. The most depressing fact is the absolute lack of reaction from the general population to such remarks.
- urbandistrict, on 09/11/2008, -1/+11As misunderstood as Francisco Franco in Spain was a peaceful man... may he rot in pieces.
- idontlikeyou2, on 09/11/2008, -0/+10Fascist or not, the Italian still can't form a proper competent working government.
- lamiaconfitor, on 09/11/2008, -1/+10I like the cut of your jib, maybe not your grammatical prowess, but defiantly the jib... and what which way it were cut.
- inactive, on 09/11/2008, -0/+9You're confusing totalitarianism to communism.
The ideology of communism has nothing to do with violence.
The problem is that the only communist regimes to have existed were totalitarian.
But one does not imply the other. In actual communist ideology, the system cannot be forced, it has to be implemented through a democratic process, by a vast majority.
That said, communism simply doesn't work anyway. It denies human nature. In an ideal world, with an educated, intelligent and not overpopulated society, communism would work and would even cause prosperity.
But we're very far from that ideal world. We're barely better than any other ape. We're violent, ignorant, greedy and selfish. So communism can't work. It's always manipulated by powerful individuals and they tend to become psychotic maniacs from the power they have. - AnAfricanOnline, on 09/11/2008, -0/+9you've got balls
- lamiaconfitor, on 09/11/2008, -2/+10The real problems that the first and second world wars highlighted were the danger of blind devotion to ones country, the danger of blind devotion to ones 'allegiances' and the fanatical devotion to abstractions/political idealism. Calm the ***** down and count to ten people.
- gummih, on 09/11/2008, -1/+9"I'm just a guy who's intentions are good - Oh, no - please don't let me be misunderstood"
- nope, no dice Mussolini, you with your *****-hat. History will hate your guts - forever. - Regbooker, on 09/11/2008, -1/+9For some reason whenever I think about Crimsonsoul343 the word stupid comes to mind.
- Swift2, on 09/11/2008, -2/+9Want to understand what Italians do? How about trying to get Americans to focus on the fact that Bush and Cheney have committed war crimes. Denial, anger, outrage. After Mussolini lost and ended up hung by his heels in the town square, suddenly there were no fascists to be found. Neocons? Never heard of 'em.
So, go ahead, Italians, elect the little Mussolini you've got in now.. again. Who needs elections? Put Berlusconi in office for the next twenty years.Then there will certainly be some war veterans you'll have to apologize for again. And the ill feelings that brings will bring about another dictator. Risorgiamento, anyone? - RealmDown, on 09/11/2008, -2/+8They were still the only country in the world to successfully switch sides in BOTH world wars. That takes talent.
- inactive, on 09/11/2008, -0/+6I think you divided by zero.
The Nazi Socialist party was fascist, but Fascists are not necessarily socialists. - Daggerfall, on 09/11/2008, -3/+8No
- trentRez9, on 09/11/2008, -3/+8Absolutly, they blame the Germans (who surely had main fault) but dont accept their part of guild at holocaust aswell
- lamiaconfitor, on 09/11/2008, -0/+5I think you miss the point of digg, you aren't necessarily supposed to agree with everything that is stated in the article, but find the content interesting/poignant/or possibly timely.
- balliamo, on 09/11/2008, -0/+5What the ***** ? I am an Italian and like me most of us are antifascist by nature.
Do not forget that we fought fascism with the "Partigiani" (Napolitano, our President was one of them) and many many people died out of it.
The National Alliance would have never been able to reach the lead of the country if it wasn't for Berlusconi and its coalition. - enclaved, on 09/11/2008, -0/+5You do clearly misunderstand him.
- ogore, on 09/11/2008, -0/+5It hard for them to react, all of the news papers are aligned to the state and a licence is needed to be a journalist. (They tried to make bloggers buy a licence.) The only way they can organise public protests is really through the internet and word of mouth.
- Regbooker, on 09/11/2008, -2/+7I think you are the one confused. The Nazi Party was more Socialist than Fascist (in the Italian sense). Not only by name but in politics. One of the core solutions of the NSDAP was the gradual nationalization of the means of production (just like pre-social democracy Socialism). It also was extremely pro-strong government, central planning and most of its production and economy management relied heavily in long term planning (much similar to the Gosplan based on the Theory of Productive Forces seen during the first decades of the USSR). It also considered private financial operations as untrustworthy (cataloging those type of business as part of the "Western Jewish Plutocracy").
- solid12345, on 09/11/2008, -0/+4The trains ran fine, the problem is Italians don't know how to be fashionably late.
- Myonosken, on 09/11/2008, -3/+7Germans haven't come to terms with it- everyone else has but they sure as hell haven't.
- RocquesDiggs, on 09/11/2008, -0/+4Before his flight from Rome in 1943, Mussolini reigned over an iron-fisted dictatorship. He instituted one-party rule, eliminated basic freedoms, and ordered the killing of political opponents. In 1938, Italy instituted racial laws which helped pave the way for the subsequent deportation of thousands of Italian Jews to Nazi death camps.
Enough said. - redscofield, on 09/11/2008, -0/+4no... i'm pretty sure he was a bastard...
- emmeron, on 09/11/2008, -0/+4This should be a warning to other countries. Apathy is often the product of the mis/under-informed, and that is exactly what allows such things to happen.
- Phosphan, on 09/11/2008, -1/+4Perhaps you should leave your 100 or less inhabitants town - in Germany, about 80% of the population live in cities.There are lots and lots of smaller towns, there's hardly anyone left for "most" of "half of all europeans". Even if you (wrongly) assume that everything but Germany, France and GB consists only of villages.
- DSoM, on 09/11/2008, -0/+3indeed, i sadly agree :(
what i mean that not all the italian are fascist :)
unfortunately thery are too much (and berlusconi wins election again..)
but not every italian is a fascist! - Splicernyc, on 09/11/2008, -2/+5I am a liberal and know lots of liberals and not one of us thinks either Lenin or Mao were anything but dictators. Yours is really a straw man argument.
- bigcynic, on 09/11/2008, -2/+5Yes, Mussolini was misunderestimated, just like Bush is now.
- inactive, on 09/11/2008, -1/+4Well sure, that's because people want property, they want to receive the fruit of their labor.
If everybody accepted compromise as a way to achieve a prosperous and equal society, there wouldn't be a problem.
Communism itself is very moral, noble and even ethical. Share the wealth so that we can all profit from society.
But as soon as you talk about equality, you're already denying reality. There's no such thing as equality. If I'm twice as smart as everyone and twice as productive, why wouldn't I receive twice the remuneration?
The strong don't want to be reduced to the level of the lowest common denominator. Only the weak agree with this, because it's at their advantage.
But the only way to beat the strong is violence. There's no argument on earth that can beat "strong > weak". That's why even the most moderate communist system (Cuba) was founded on bloodshed. They had to kill the people who held the power to take it.
It's a nice idea that just doesn't respect reality. It's like world peace. It would be nice, sure. Won't happen though. - inactive, on 09/11/2008, -0/+3Maybe, but as posted above, they are not mutually inclusive or particularly related in ideology. They are merely compatible.
I am interested in your sources on differences between USSR and Nazi Germany's nationalization in 20s and 30s. - RocquesDiggs, on 09/11/2008, -0/+3My great grandparents left Italy to escape from Mussolini. They were the lucky ones to get out.
You can not put what happened back then in today's views and values. Unfortunately most people are not alive now who lived through it. What was the fate of Mussolini, he was killed and his body displayed publicly where it was not respected as a great leader but he was hated! - fugazied, on 09/11/2008, -1/+4Too many people have a warped perception of socialism. The only similarity you can see between 'socialism' (the word you are using for what is actually Stalinist communistic totalitarianism), and Nazi Fascism is the totalitarian bit.
Please go read about socialism, perhaps because you live in the US you have learned to incorrectly demonise socialism as the root of communism and fascism. But as a political theory it is only as related to those extremes as US democracy is to fascism or communism. Fascism can spring from a dictatorship, a democracy, a socialist movement (the original nazi party) it does NOT mean that socialist political theory is akin to fascism. That is incorrect and you should go read more political theory. - secrity, on 09/11/2008, -2/+5Oh, like today's Republicans.
- inactive, on 09/11/2008, -0/+3Exactly, I didn't find anything wrong on the article, more than likely some people will say the same about the US invasions in a few years in the future, will you say that those people in uniform did it because they were evil? Some people just can't see colors other than black and white.
- secrity, on 09/11/2008, -0/+3Yeah, that is like blaming all Americans for what the Republicans are doing.
- emmeron, on 09/11/2008, -0/+3While its true that there are some points of Obama's plans that have details in common, Obama is not fascist. McCain is more fascist, though his policies that are detailed (few) are less like fascism. Either way, it's easy to point fingers in this nation now: the movement towards "unifying the nation" is rearing the ugly side of its head and whomever we don't like for a moment could look fascist. That's because both Republicans and Democrats are getting more pro-centralized government and more pro-controls on individuals (via mandatory service requirements or market manipulation -- it's not nearly as totalitarian as fascist movements of old).
We're not fascist yet, but I wish I could say no where near... - MysticSavage, on 09/11/2008, -0/+2Exactly...and Hitler was an overachiever.
- tomh218, on 09/11/2008, -1/+3She was just as misunderstood as Palin.
- inactive, on 09/11/2008, -0/+2So the US and the war on terror.
- emmeron, on 09/11/2008, -1/+3Hey, at least people are watching more closely here so it doesn't happen. If we sat back and let one party take over long enough it would be, no matter who the party is. That's why we don't tolerate absolute power (like the Bush admin wants for the Prez and his cabinet).
- Jlaugh, on 09/11/2008, -0/+2You can leave our country anytime you want you fascist lover.
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