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- GrandmaSheila, on 01/14/2009, -47/+195FTA
"The countdown to a war began, according to a detailed report by Barak Raviv in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, when Israel's Defense Minister Ehud Barak started planning the current attack on Gaza with his chiefs of staff at least six months ago — even as Israel was negotiating the Egyptian brokered ceasefire with Hamas that went into effect on June 19. During the subsequent ceasefire, the report contends, the Israeli security establishment carefully gathered intelligence to map out Hamas' security infrastructure, engaged in operational deception, and spread disinformation to mislead the public about its intentions."
Yeah, they couldn't avoid this war, which is why they started planning it back in June.
Is anybody else tired of the endless, bloody lies from the government of Israel, and their endless repitition in the ministry of Propaganda?
Thanks YCW for shouting out the facts. - redcolumbine, on 01/14/2009, -47/+130Israel thinks the world will believe its lies because the US media does, and that's all that matters for all intents and purposes.
- inactive, on 01/14/2009, -63/+127http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/max- ...
This video demonstrates the Zionist culture of hatred and murder, which masquerades itself as victimization. Based on these people's descriptions of the enemy, one would think it was currently Jews being butchered in Gaza, instead of the other way around. But even as the Zionists slaughter Palestinian women and children in droves, they go on and on about how murderous the Arabs and Muslims are.
How are Palestinians supposed to negotiate with such a mentally ill people?
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Pure_Propaganda_ ...
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Pro_Israel_Pardo ...
http://digg.com/world_news/Avigdor_Lieberman_talks ...
http://digg.com/political_opinion/No_Bounds_to_Zio ... - SuperMoses, on 01/14/2009, -33/+82Israeli Defense Minister in 2006:
“Clearly everyone wants to be surrounded by concrete block, but we need to remember that Qassams are more a psychological than physical threat. Statistically they cause the fewest losses, and therefore we must develop prevention systems but not invest all the money in this aspect.”
Israeli PM Olmert said in 2007: "no need to get all fired up" with regards to the rocket fire and that a major military operation would be "out of proportion to the pressures we face"
** Google those quotes **
Now, they're justifying the deaths of hundreds of Gaza civilians because of rocket fire? It's absurd. Of course the war is not about rocket fire. They've spend the last few years telling their citizens that the rockets aren't that big of a deal. - sheeplescareme, on 01/14/2009, -6/+43the media doesn't necessarily believe what they report, but they do report whatever they are told. the fourth estate has been dead for a very long time. if it was not for the internets, the people would not know anything about world events except what was carefully selected for them.
- richmomz, on 01/14/2009, -10/+46The amount of influence that groups like AIPAC and the ADL have in the western media is very concerning - as this article points out even some self-critical Israeli media stories from sources like Haarez.com would never see the light of day in the U.S.
People are waking up to the fact that our daily media output is tightly controlled by a host of special interest groups, corporations, and political interests - and as a result they are turning increasingly to online content as a source of unbiased (or at least less biased) information to bypass the "mainstream" media blitz that usually follows controversial events like this. - sigg14, on 01/14/2009, -8/+43most of the world feels the same as you, the israeli lies are just an insult to our intelligence. you have to be a complete idiot to believe what israel says.
- yacinebouatrous, on 01/14/2009, -47/+81Did you know that Isreal after withdrawing from Gaza built more and some more illegal settlements in the West bank (Palestine)?
Did you know that Israel brought hamas? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/opinion/08kristo ...
Did you know that Gaza has been starving for 2 years already?
Did you know that Israel broke the cease fire TWICE? (first by not complying to one of the terms of the ceasefire : lift the blockade; second, by airstriking Gaza the 4th of november)
Did you know that Jews had full control of Palestine just for 70 years and that 2000 years ago? (great essay : http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html
Did you know that Palestinians are controlled inside their lands via checkpoints?
Did you know that Palestinians are treated as sub-humans by Israelis?
Did you know that Israelis fake scientific proofs, and faked their history to establish a "historic connection"?
Did you know that there are several apartheid walls inside the West Bank (Palestinian lands)?
If you know nothing about this conflict, please don't blindly support Israel!!!
"The greatest ennemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it's the illusion of knowledge"... - allowners, on 01/14/2009, -13/+46Echoes of the pre-planned (pre-9/11) US debacles in Afghanistan and Iraq.
- inactive, on 01/14/2009, -18/+50I've read everyone's comments and the truth about the overall conflict between Israel and Palestine probably lies somewhere in the middle. I felt compelled to digg almost every comment, including ones that were at complete odds. There's blame on both sides, plenty of it, but Israel is overly aggressive and they have zero peaceful foreign policy. They don't know the meaning of diplomacy, and the US has been letting them get away with it for years. The Bush era expanded the dysfuntion exponentially.
I don't think the media is soft-selling this story. I think the media is catering to the masses by feeding them stories the masses can understand. Most Americans, the vast majority, couldn't even tell you where Gaza is, let alone why it's such a mess over there. When someone (the media) starts talking over your (the masses) head, you start to tune them out. The failure is not the media; they've been reporting this ad nauseum. The failure is that of the US government.
I can guarantee you that the Obama administration will be pegged as terrorist sympathizers if they attempt to support Palestine. The US will "become" anti-semitic and anti-Israel in the eyes of the world and the eyes of millions of Americans if we ramp up our challenges to Israel.
I can guarantee you that the Obama administration will be accused of complying with genocidal maniacs (Israel) if our relationship with Israel isn't "adjusted".
Am I the only one who sees this as a lose-lose? - writie, on 01/14/2009, -4/+33100,000 people in Paris and London, 30-50,000 in Brussels, plus many other demonstrations around the world seem to indicate a change in the wind. Greek dockers refused to handle arms destined for Israel. Turkey, who only last year was offering Israel to act as a go-between with the Arab world, has considerably hardened its stance. Israel is making it very hard to be an ally. I wonder how long Egypt can maintain its position?
- richmomz, on 01/14/2009, -4/+32The U.S. media doesn't "believe" anything - they are simply following orders from the special interest groups and corporate owners that sign their paychecks every week.
- inactive, on 01/14/2009, -14/+42Let's ask IDF veteran Rahm Emmanuel what he thinks about your comment.
- AgeofMastery, on 01/14/2009, -6/+31Israel claims to have the greatest intelligence agency in the world. We know they can track and assassinate their enemies, the way they hunted down the terrorists responsible for the killings at the Munich Olympics is just one exaple.
So why can't they just hunt down and take out those responsible for the missiles without killing hundreds of civilians? They have the intelligence service, their army has the training and they have the best weapons the US can give them.
But for some reason they prefer genocide to a surgical strike. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions as to why. - inactive, on 01/14/2009, -8/+32FTA: If Israel's goal were simply to end rocket attacks on its civilians, it would have solidified and extended the ceasefire, which was working well, until November. Even after November, it could have addressed Hamas' longstanding ceasefire proposals for a complete end to rocket-fire on Israel, in exchange for Israel lifting its crippling 18-month siege on Gaza.
Instead, the actual targets of its assault on Gaza after December 27, which included police stations, mosques, universities, and Hamas government institutions, clearly reveal that Israel's primary goals go far beyond providing immediate security for its citizens. Israeli spokespersons repeatedly claim that Israel's assault isn't about seeking to effect regime change with Hamas, but rather about creating a "new security reality" in Gaza. But that "new reality" requires Israel to use massive violence to degrade the political and military capacity of Hamas, to a point where it agrees to a ceasefire with conditions more congenial to Israel. Short of a complete reoccupation of Gaza, no amount of violence will erase Hamas from the scene. - hamobu, on 01/14/2009, -14/+38Israel and it's supporters are careful on image and arguments that they project. There are Jews only roads in west bank, but there is no sign telling Palestinians to not get on the road because someone could then take a picture of the sign and show the world that Israel is practicing Apartheid and segregation. if a Palestinian is caught on "Jews only road" his car is confiscated.
Israeli supporters swarm sites like wikipedia and even digg. They use historic revisionism, emotional demagoguery and sophistry to advocate for Israel and whitewash it's actions. - FearlessFreep, on 01/14/2009, -3/+26It's the military's job to plan operations for contingencies that can come up depending on diplomatic situations (or failures).
We spent a good forty years planning and preparing for a war with the Soviet Union, and they with us, which fortunately never happened. But just because we planned for it and trained for it didn't mean we were going to do it.
You plan for what *could* happen and for what you need to do it it does happen and sometimes, well, it does happen. Preparing for it to happen doesn't mean you want it to and doesn't mean it has to. - JustLetGo, on 01/14/2009, -3/+24Non-violent resistance FTW, actually.
- toowired77, on 01/14/2009, -13/+34Israel is a drunk driver and America is in the passenger seat.
"The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave." - George Washington - AgeofMastery, on 01/14/2009, -0/+20I'm pro Palestinian and even I think that's just wrong.
- inactive, on 01/14/2009, -7/+26"If Tijuana shot rockets into San Diego all the time, how long would it take the U.S. to send in troops?"
This is what you call sound logic? I call it a regurgitated talking point that was too stupid to believe the first time some idiot came up with it and has been debunked, ridiculed regurgitated, stomped on, swallowed again, regurgitated, smacked down and pooped out by idiots again.
Is The US occupying Mexican territory and building settlements? Is the US blocking Mexican territory until people are starving?
Not to mention that Israel has been shooting back from day one, that Israel is the one the broke the truce as even CNN has had to admit, that Israel is using cluster bombs and white phosphorus and other weapons that are illegal if used in heavily populated areas and kill and maim in horrible ways, that Israel has carried out more bombing raids in the past 3 weeks than rockets have been fired in years by Hamas etc. - inactive, on 01/14/2009, -1/+19I spent the last couple of weeks or so with my only news access being the MSM, and even with their carefully selected *****, it was pretty obvious that there was more to this than Israel was saying.
- sheeplescareme, on 01/14/2009, -5/+22i wouldn't really call it logic...
- amy31415, on 01/14/2009, -6/+23That notion may have some credence if he'd actually written the article, but he didn't, he just submitted it.
- IphtashuFitz, on 01/14/2009, -8/+25That's a long article, but a very well written one. Anybody not up to speed on the current state of the conflict should definitely read it. If you don't then this summarizes it nicely:
"But as the vastly more powerful actor holding nearly all the cards in this conflict, the war in Gaza was ultimately Israel's choice. And for all this bloodshed and violence, Israel must be held accountable."
Unfortunately I doubt that will happen... - 3nder99, on 01/14/2009, -4/+21Umm, the military always prepares detailed plans for possible wars. Nothing new here. That is their job you know. To be prepared.
In fact the USA even prepared plans to deal with an Alien Invasion. I bet Israel has plans to deal with an Egyptian Invasion as well, and has constantly updated the force situation. Doesn't mean anything other than they were planning ahead. Considering Hamas, I would have had my plans ready too, in full expectation of using them. - mrZo, on 01/14/2009, -5/+21This is shocking:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/78285 ... - Cadicus, on 01/14/2009, -6/+22Do you really think the US doesn't have a plan in place for invading/waring against most other countries? What's wrong with gathering intelligence ahead of time?
Maybe you prefer the "Bush" strategy? - SuperMoses, on 01/14/2009, -6/+21circular logic
- Waiting2awake, on 01/14/2009, -8/+22by Israel...
- pintomp3, on 01/14/2009, -2/+16Please don't confuse Jews with Zionists. That's like claiming all Muslims are Taliban. Many Israelis are secular and hate that their country is being run by fundamentalists.
- inactive, on 01/14/2009, -38/+51My prediction---Israel will start WWIII!
- DoctorFaust, on 01/14/2009, -4/+17What Gaza needs is a little Judgment of Solomon.
- writie, on 01/14/2009, -3/+16I don't think it's an acreage thing. It's a bloody-minded attempt to destroy Hamas instead of facing the issues they represent: end to the occupation, etc. My feeling is that this is because no politician has the cajones to address the settlement issue in the West Bank and so they create diversionary tactics any time talks get close. It is clear that talks were on the table with the new admin in the White House. Well guess what, it won't be the right time for some time yet.
- FearlessFreep, on 01/14/2009, -3/+16"Why not plan for peace? Hmmm?"
Diplomats plan for peace.
Militaries plan for when the diplomats fail - pintomp3, on 01/14/2009, -1/+13Many of the users here are Americans. Over 3 billion of their tax dollars go to Israel every year.
- writie, on 01/14/2009, -5/+17Hamas even sent a letter to Bush after they were elected offering negotiations. Only one side refuses to sit down and talk with them.
- inactive, on 01/14/2009, -2/+14Except that we Americans pay for it with our taxes, while the Israel Lobby completely warps our foreign policy. It has everything to do with us Americans. On top of that, any civilized human being is opposed to genocide just on principle.
- chechen, on 01/14/2009, -2/+14Did you know that Gaza and the west bank are the biggest
Concentration camp that ever existed in human history and
For the longest period and also the only holocaust the ever
Witnessed in our life time . - method7670, on 01/14/2009, -15/+27I would love the see the EU and US step in and try to strong arm Israel into peace talks, The EU is far more likely than the latter, however, Israel is now just getting out of hand with the random murdering.
- IKORKYI, on 01/14/2009, -10/+22frankly im tired of everyone lying
- moulin1, on 01/14/2009, -3/+14The American public thinks, in blissful ignorance, that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is a world away and has little to do with them. The rest of the world sees Israel as a proxy for the US. Every act of Israel is an act of America. This is true as much in countries the US counts as allies as those that are unfriendly. The world knows that the US pays in entirety for Isreal's military adventures and imagine that Israel could be doing nothing but America's bidding.
- sigg14, on 01/14/2009, -2/+13an insult from you is like a testament to his virtue
- inactive, on 01/14/2009, -0/+11You want to nuke them and THEIR hatred is disgusting?
- okcomputer1982, on 01/14/2009, -0/+11Political loses are not the point here.
Is it just me or is our compliance here really a matter of national security? Is there any doubt that future attacks on the US will be a direct result of our inaction here. Right or wrong, refusing to speak an obvious truth about gaza is not going to help anyone, masses or no. - pintomp3, on 01/14/2009, -0/+11Give Israel Your United Support? They already have our taxdollars.
- BeefBaron, on 01/14/2009, -2/+1313 Israelis dead.
>1000 Palestinians dead.
Why are they still calling this a war? It is a brutal massacre. - inactive, on 01/14/2009, -2/+13With all due respect: you are an idiot.
- nullcodes, on 01/14/2009, -7/+18Not EVERYONE in Gaza chose Hamas. And plus even the ones that did didnt exactly have a proper informed and free choice.
Either way, I didn't see Hamas getting 100% of the vote. And those who didn't vote for Hamas aren't exactly easily allowed to leave the Gaza strip and even if they could few countries allow them to emigrate.
So just because you want to feel good when some 4 year old used as a human shield by Hamas gets killed in Gaza doesn't mean you are correct when you make yourself believe he deserved it cause he voted (or hypothetically might probably if maybe vote) for Hamas.
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