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- tasine, on 06/15/2009, -4/+43Of course! What with the massive debt, every government worker is probably told to find ANY way to wrest some more money from citizens. It would be so easy to raise extra money by CUTTING SPENDING! Interesting that the media never discuss this - dozens of outmoded government programs, still on the payroll, still with employees, doing goodness knows what. Some services duplicated so many times that that they are ripe for scamming. So many employees sitting on their duffs. Hunting programs to fund so as to "grow" the government. Involvement in thousands of things not constitutionally relegated to the federal government. There are so many ways to cut spending that it is mind-boggling that they don't do it!
It is even more mind-boggling that the media is not in their faces every day, 24/7. I suppose the media thinks if the government can get away not doing its job, so can the media. That leaves you and me to pay for their incompetence. I don't know about you, but I am getting tired of paying for mass incompetence, paying at the threat of a prison sentence if I do NOT pay. Who do these people think they are?! - EMFK, on 06/15/2009, -4/+42Screw the IRS! :-)
- rizzo2008, on 06/15/2009, -5/+39There is no such thing as private property in America anymore. Think you own your home? Stop paying property taxes. Your car? Stop paying registration every year. Your income? Well thats kinda obvious right?
There should be no IRS, no income tax period...repeal the 16th amendment and return to the only taxes originally authorized by the constitution (i.e. excise taxes, tariffs, other consumption based taxes, etc). - elijahyossie, on 06/15/2009, -3/+30If I have a cup of tea and biscuit at work this afternoon, is it a "fringe benefit"?
- tasine, on 06/15/2009, -1/+24Yes. Also, does your employer supply you with a chair and a desk? A water fountain? A toilet? AC? Just think of the plethora of things you may find yourself taxed for within another year or so!
- zacharytelschow, on 06/15/2009, -10/+30Liberals love to scream about our lifestyles being "unsustainable" while pointing to the environment. If you want a textbook example of something that we are unable to continue in the same style or way, I suggest you examine our budgeting and spending at the federal level (and some states as well).
- Hellbender712, on 06/15/2009, -2/+21A domestic terror organization.
- ConcernedCanuck, on 06/16/2009, -3/+18AUDIT THE IRS!
- tasine, on 06/15/2009, -1/+13Good one! I love it!
- FAHayek, on 06/15/2009, -7/+18What we need is a return to constitutional money (per US Const. Article I Section 8, and Article I Section 10). Abolish the unconstitutional Federal Reserve System.
History shows that printing trillions of dollars doesn't work. Look at what happened to the Weimar Republic and Zimbabwe. Our fiat monetary system is broken.
Keynesian economics caused these problems and should now be dead. Austrian Economics holds the key to solving our economic & political woes.
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Support H.R. 1207: Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009. -- http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111 ...
Support S. 604: Federal Reserve Sunshine Act of 2009. -- http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111 ...
Support true patriots for political office. People who will uphold and support The Constitution.
e.g. Ron Paul, Rand Paul, RJ Harris, Adam Kokesh, BJ Lawson. Hopefully, Peter Schiff will run for Senate. - angryfirelord, on 06/16/2009, -5/+16Remember, the IRS also owns 100% of your paycheck. They're just kind enough to let you keep some of it. Oh, and forget it if you have to manage an estate, you'll be sucked dry in a few years.
- heythere1857, on 06/16/2009, -0/+10*****, my boss buys us donuts every week... is the IRS going to come after that, too?
- GiggleStick, on 06/16/2009, -2/+12I think that statement already expired. You need to check the expiration date on any of his statements you run across to make sure it's still valid.
- scamper22, on 06/16/2009, -3/+13A government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take everything from you...
(or something along those lines).
Yet, every time we tell Democrats... no we don't trust the government with our money, they say... no... we will be accountable... this is for the best...
Yet, every time we tell Republicans... no I don't trust the CIA to monitor phone calls. i do not trust them not to abuse their power. They say... no... it is necessary.
And every time we are shown the corruption of power.
I cannot convince a public sector worker who enjoys the fruits of taxation at the expense of everyone else.
Perhaps I can convince the poor person that the democrats play to.
Maybe your minimum wage would be enough if you didn't have to pay so much property taxes to fund the pensions and big salaries of government workers.
Maybe you wouldn't find yourself in jail for smoking a plant.
Maybe you could actually save something for your children if the government stopped printing money.
Maybe you could actually give your kids a proper education if you were given the choice of which school to send them.
Maybe your healthcare would be affordable if you could see a nurse practitioner instead of the government protecting the monopoly of doctors. You don't need to see a 300k doctor for a cold. A nurse practitioner would do just as well.
...
I cannot convince the paranoid conservative war lover either.
Perhaps one day that big military machine you like will be turned on you.
Perhaps we would all be safer if America wasn't rambling around the world.
Government this big cannot exist for the benefit of the people. It exists only for those inside government.
Maybe now that the bills need to be paid. The poor will realize just how much democrats care for them... the answer... nothing. They will public sector workers salaries and pay their mega pensions... and the poor still still be poor. Better still, they will boost the public sector to employ more middle class folks... and you the poor will be forced to fund them. - cmcagle, on 06/16/2009, -5/+15"But let me perfectly clear, because I know you’ll hear the same old claims that rolling back these tax breaks means a massive tax increase on the American people: if your family earns less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat: not one single dime."
- Barack Obama, February 24, 2009
(Thank you, Mr. President, for ensuring that yours will be a one-term presidency) - jbmcb, on 06/16/2009, -1/+10He was talking about one family in particular, not ALL families. Duh.
- ByteMeAHole, on 06/16/2009, -0/+8The Dems and Repubs in power keep pointing to the other guys - saying, "It's them!" But look at what both sides have been doing... Taxing and spending this country into oblivion - while yelling, "It's the other side."
Well guess what - we're the other side - the people paying taxes and we're letting them get away with it. Vote ALL of them out - every incumbent. Start from scratch - can't be any worse then the present group of idiots and if they don't owe any favors maybe they will do what's best for the country... - m3arvk, on 06/16/2009, -2/+10We gotta stimulate the economy!
But we don't have any money!
No one will lend it to us!
We can raise the rates on our treasuries!
But that will hurt the housing market!
We can print the money!
But that will cause inflation!
We can raise taxes!
But that will hurt the economy!
Listen, at a certain point you have to man up and do what needs doing. We all should be ashamed at what children we really are. - rizzo2008, on 06/15/2009, -4/+11if its an income tax than no it still violates the fundamental principle that what you earn should be yours. If the government has any power to tax income at all than they maintain the rights to your wages and income.
A consumption tax is preferable because you only pay it at the time you buy and doesn't entitle the government to personal property (although I would prefer ending half of our government programs and simply replace the income tax with nothing). - RomeyRome, on 06/16/2009, -0/+6Fight back (though may be minor) by maxing out your pretax contributions to whatever you company offers.
- TheH2OMan, on 06/15/2009, -3/+9The latter is a far better proposal.
While the income tax does give government power over your wages and income, a consumption tax has a far more nefarious effect - it makes everyone a welfare recipient.
The reason why is that you will never have a tax that lacks a minimum income threshold. It's just not politically viable. In the income tax this is covered by means of a rebate. With a consumption tax however this would be intensely regressive on those individuals who would receive the rebate. The solution that is put forward by all serious consumption tax plans is a prebate mailed out every month or so to everyone that is intended to cover the cost of food and the like.
While it isn't perfect, if you want a consumption tax we're better off with a flat rate income tax that exempts savings and investment. It has the exact same net effect as a consumption tax but without the prebate nonsense. - maz2331, on 06/16/2009, -2/+7@Loonacy...
The reason "Why" is very simply that the 16th requires tossing the 4th, 5th, 8th, and 10th out the window to at least a very strong extent.
I have no problem with sales taxes, nor import/export duties at all. Those are all corporate functions that don't require individuls to give up their own personal privacy. Nor can they really be used to encourage or discourage personal behavior.
Josef Stalin put people in GULAGs (not capitalized for emphasis) for what really were just "paperwork violations."
This isn't a slippery slope, it is a sheer drop-off, without even a tree root to grab onto while plummeting toward the rocks below.
Why should anyone have to report everything they do to some higher authority? - zacharytelschow, on 06/15/2009, -4/+9I'm not sure who you're saying is crying.
- duewydo, on 06/16/2009, -0/+5I have a house phone, I have a personal cell phone, work requires me to have a work cell phone on hand 24/7. so I have to have two cell phones on me at anytime. Does that make sense? I never go over my minutes on either, so I could just carry the work phone or the personal. But if I carry the work phone the government says AAH! gotcha!
effing *****.
I would rather just carry my work phone and have my kids call that when they need me and leave my personal cell wherever, car, desk, home. and then swap phones when I want to escape work. but that with be a fringe benefit... - GiggleStick, on 06/16/2009, -1/+6Yes we are. Have you heard the story of the straw that broke the camel's back?
- Calcularius, on 06/16/2009, -1/+6I took a ***** today at work. How much is that worth?
- m3arvk, on 06/16/2009, -0/+4The point I was making was that sometimes you just gotta eat *****. Sometimes the solution isn't to spend money you don't have.
- lhbaker, on 06/16/2009, -3/+7So you're talking about Bush, right?
- thcobbs, on 06/16/2009, -0/+4Well, since we get bent over daily, bi-monthly, or every two weeks anyway... time for some payback.
- FAHayek, on 06/15/2009, -1/+5A Flat Tax, while ultimately preferable to our current system, is not the best idea in the long run. We should abolish the income tax and the IRS in favor of large cuts in the size and scope of the federal government. Devolution of power from the Federal to the States, and even more devolution from the States to the Local level.
Abolish the 16th Amendment.
Restore States' Rights: Abolish the 17th Amendment - jdibiase, on 06/16/2009, -1/+5So, an opinion piece in the Journal pointing out a plan by the IRS to enforce a ridiculous provision of the tax code, and commenting on it, is biased because Murdoch owns the Journal ... is that what you're saying?
- kefkaantakrist, on 06/16/2009, -1/+5Strictly speaking you're already supposed to be paying tax on that.
- zacharytelschow, on 06/16/2009, -0/+4Or, this may blow your mind so turn your head away if you fear it, but I might be saying the government should spend less because their return on money spent is crap compared to what anyone would do with their own money.
And it's crystal clear you don't see my point. - heythere1857, on 06/16/2009, -2/+6@GiggleStick
Either they haven't heard that, or they choose to ignore it and repeat the same tired line: "Why weren't you pissed when Bush was spending like crazy?!"
Because it couldn't possibly be that government spending, wasting, and expanding over decades finally culminated when one president promised to spend trillions before he was in office for 6 months - and people just can't take it anymore. - ninjaturtles1, on 06/16/2009, -5/+8"What's next, a tax on each sip of office coffee?"
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - tasine, on 06/16/2009, -0/+3Seems there are some who take exception to our making fun of the things we may find on our tax bills. The way I see it is, if we can see no humor about the disastrous times we face, we will not survive. Look, the fact the government is desperately looking for more ways in which to tax us rather than ways to reduce spending while lowering taxes is obscene, and in my opinion is grounds for removal from office. Surely everyone can see that the goal is simply to bring in more money to the coffers, NOT to get us back into good financial shape. The DC politicians have caused this fiasco - they are NOT the ones to solve it. Two brain cells can figure that out for goodness' sake!
- jefree, on 06/16/2009, -2/+5Stop the conservative vs liberal and dem vs rep crap. Both parties jack up the cost of running the country for the common good and both are responsible. The fact is we pay too much and get too little back. Fair taxing and effective spending are important. A flat tax is a good idea, but also flat access to benefits is important. Simplify the tax system and simplify the spending of that money so we can all track where our money is going and why.
- ZenMojo, on 06/16/2009, -0/+3It was already audited this week. Read the news.
- acontorer, on 06/16/2009, -0/+3Please quit spamming.
- inactive, on 06/16/2009, -0/+3ot difficult at all really. Ron Paul has the sense to remain in obscurity.
Most people don't dislike Ron Paul becauof Ron Paul. they hate him because of his lemmings. Ron Paul doesn't even like many of them. The thought of a Paulville in Texas makes Ron Paul shudder in fear. - Ebacherville, on 06/16/2009, -0/+3Yep, there supposed to tax that also, we just got a gift for the companies birthday celebration, you get taxed on that..
- FAHayek, on 06/16/2009, -0/+3Cut Medicare & Medicaid.
Cut Social Security.
Both programs are deeply in debt. The longer we wait the more painful it's going to be when they finally do go broke.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/199167
Meanwhile, use our military for defense of the USA, not nation-building or policing the world. - heythere1857, on 06/16/2009, -1/+3Is NPR "fair & balanced" enough for you?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story ... - Calcularius, on 06/16/2009, -0/+2Cool story, bro!
- Ebacherville, on 06/16/2009, -0/+2think about how much they tax, they tax you when you earn money , then they tax you when you spend the money and they also tax the company who made that product you bought.. and the employes that made tat product .. its goes on and on and on from there.. think about it, its scary as hell how much of one single transaction goes back to the government.
- wassamatta, on 06/16/2009, -1/+3Next up: IRS to tax employees for taking a dump (free use of toilet paper, free soap for washing your hands, using paper towels to dry said hands).
- dmarant, on 06/16/2009, -0/+2@ZenMojo: What if I eat lunch at the desk while sitting in the chair on MY time? Is that taxable? And the business owns the phone whether or not you take it home, right?
- ZenMojo, on 06/16/2009, -0/+2Except he's promising to spend only a fraction of Bush's debt increase and a fraction of what Reagan and Bush I spent. It may be the straw that broke the camel's back, but it's a small straw and it's feeding the ***** camel.
- kefkaantakrist, on 06/16/2009, -2/+4I don't think Obama has managed to roll back the Bush tax cuts... and that's what he was talking about. He never said that the IRS wasn't going to start enforcing rules they had previously been lax on.
PS This law was passed in 1989. I believe Bush the First was in office at the time. - heythere1857, on 06/16/2009, -0/+2Damn. I should probably be surprised by that news, but sadly, I'm not.
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