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WSJ.com - Opinion: Getting Mrs. Clinton
online.wsj.com — By Peggy NoonanDeclarations: Even many of her erstwhile supporters now understand the problem with her candidacy – and with her.
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- mainely, on 03/28/2008, -7/+84The article's concluding paragraph:
What struck me as the best commentary on the Bosnia story came from a poster called GI Joe who wrote in to a news blog: "Actually Mrs. Clinton was too modest. I was there and saw it all. When Mrs. Clinton got off the plane the tarmac came under mortar and machine gun fire. I was blown off my tank and exposed to enemy fire. Mrs. Clinton without regard to her own safety dragged me to safety, jumped on the tank and opened fire, killing 50 of the enemy." Soon a suicide bomber appeared, but Mrs. Clinton stopped the guards from opening fire. "She talked to the man in his own language and got him [to] surrender. She found that he had suffered terribly as a result of policies of George Bush. She defused the bomb vest herself." Then she turned to his wounds. "She stopped my bleeding and saved my life. Chelsea donated the blood."
Made me laugh. It was like the voice of the people answering back. This guy knows that what Mrs. Clinton said is sort of crazy. He seems to know her reputation for untruths. He seemed to be saying, "I get it."- john2kx, on 03/29/2008, -4/+4That was the best comment ever. Thank you.
- Ansible, on 03/29/2008, -4/+4Here's video evidence of the danger on the ground!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc - excalibrax, on 03/29/2008, -3/+10This was a comment on DIgg, a digg comment was noted in the WSJ Its a great day
- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -10/+2sure, let's just hand in the keys to the White House to Ossam'a cousin here.
- PoonGnarfler, on 03/29/2008, -0/+0I'd rather hand them to him than to an inconsiderate, ignorant asshole like you or a manipulative, rampallian bitch like her.
- sanman, on 03/29/2008, -0/+3If you remember the start of the US-led bombing of Belgrade, you'll remember that Bill Clinton made his speech on national TV, claiming that he was launching the bombing raids "to prevent war between Turkey and Greece"
The Clintons were crooked back then, and they're crooked today. - MrESaulved, on 03/29/2008, -5/+1"He seemed to be saying, "I get it.""
You are so full of weak sauce if you think anyone with half a brain doesn't see right through you and your cheerleader mentality posts. You are your ilk are why politics suck for everyone.
- Shevana, on 03/28/2008, -4/+21Thanks Peggy Noonan!
We get it.
Glad you take the time to read the comments posted on the blogs.- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -7/+1You must be a Osama supporter. What do you exactly get? Or what do you HOPE to get? Is it 9 inches long by any chance?
- gwolf, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2I sense your feelings of inadequacy. You should see someone about that.
Or go kill your self. - TokenBlack, on 03/29/2008, -1/+0lame
- gwolf, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2I sense your feelings of inadequacy. You should see someone about that.
- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -7/+1You must be a Osama supporter. What do you exactly get? Or what do you HOPE to get? Is it 9 inches long by any chance?
- aimsa, on 03/28/2008, -3/+43This was a great article. I often find myself wondering "Why doesn't anyone see through this? Why doesn't anyone get it?"
Good to know I'm not alone.- RobN, on 03/29/2008, -15/+8I'm waiting for the apology. The "vast right-wing conspiracy" has been pointing out Hillary's lies for over a decade now (and Bill tells whoppers nearly as often as Hillary, he's just a lot more believable when he tells them). Hillary supporters have called her critics sexist, and have called us liars for pointing out her lies. So where's the apology?
As much as it hurts, repeat after me. "Rush was right. Rush was right. Rush was right."- CatalystGhost, on 03/29/2008, -5/+9I'm not digging you down for "being right and I don't like it", I'm digging you down for being an asshole about it. Just to let you know.
- theDunedan, on 03/29/2008, -4/+10@RobN
I was going to digg you up 1 right until I saw your last sentence. Rush hasn't been right since about 1994. - tjmb9, on 03/29/2008, -3/+4Don't you kind of think Hillary pushed Bill into the Presidency? She's the one with all the motivation for power. I think Bill is a lot more reasonable, and intelligent. He does have a gift with words, although Obama is proving he has more of one.
- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -0/+3She sure as her pushed Bill into Monika's arms. Any man, even me, would have done the same....
- madoc62, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1Tehrooni,
As easy as it might be to believe that, I don't think it the case. Bubba seems the type of guy who would've been cheating no matter who his wife was. The man is a flaming narcissist with a humongous ego and an appalling lack of ethics or morals. Billy Jeff was bangin' whatever tail he thought he could get away with and left a string of women behind him from Arkansas all the way to the Oval Office. Lewinsky was but the latest piece-a-ass Billy Jeff screwed but hers was the one who his lawyers couldn't crush first.
- madoc62, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1Tehrooni,
- madoc62, on 03/29/2008, -1/+3Nope, not for a second. Billy Jeff is even more ambitious than Hillary and he's just as much the narcissist as she. Bubba though, can lie better. That's the only difference between the two and that's why they've stuck together despite Billy banging ever piece-o-tail that he could. She needed him to further her ambitions and he needed her for the same.
It's been Billy Jeff's charisma which has kept to many Democrats from seeing what an appallingly failed man he is and how his wife is just as bad. Now that Hillary has had to fend for herself - at least in public - she's finally being outed for the wretch she is.
- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -0/+3She sure as her pushed Bill into Monika's arms. Any man, even me, would have done the same....
- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -2/+2Everyone gets WHAT exactly? We're not handing the country over to Saddam's cousins but... Just forget it. Over our dead bodies.
- jedmed, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1You are so not alone. It scares the hell out of me.
- davidlow, on 03/29/2008, -2/+7The phrase, "Why doesn't anyone get it" applies to Clinton, sure. But for me that phrase will always bring back bitter memories of George W. Bush's first four year in office. And the Iraq war.
- madoc62, on 03/29/2008, -3/+5And it never, ever fails! In piece that was wholly and entirely about the failings of Hillary Rodham-Clinton and her effect on the Democrat party of course - OF COURSE - someone would make damn sure to get Bush into the picture somehow.
Damn, but the BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) runs deep here!
David, not to single you to much for this because you are _hardly_ alone but, here's a clue - George Bush Jr. is NOT running in this election. Okay? And the continual harping about the guy? All that does is keep your focus on the past. The Democrats have tried that two times in a row now and they've lost both of those times. The American public is tired of Bush - and they're even more weary of folks whining about him when he's not even running. If the Democrats keep Bush as their mascot in '08 then they've all but guaranteed a Republican White House for the next four years. Give it up, son. Move on!- davidlow, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2Wow. Anger much?
Should I be whining about whiners, like you, instead of whining about W? You're not exactly a role model here.- cygnus2112, on 03/29/2008, -2/+1He does have a point, you know? What's an article about Hillary Clinton's over-exaggerations have to do with Bush? Sure, I'll be glad to see the administration replaced - but some of us are genuinely tired of people like you always going on some anti-Bush tirade in every.single.political.thread.ever.to.exist. It's a little old, eh? Find someone new to hate?
- davidlow, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2If you read my comment, you'll see it was no tirade. Also, there are certain similarities between Hill & W, and for many people who formerly admired Hillary it was watching Bush in action that made them figure out that they don't admire her anymore, and she's not, in fact, not what they want in the next president.
There will probably be a time in the future when complaining about W as a disgraceful former president will be out of place, but in the middle of the election that ushers him out the door? Not. Bringing up bad experience is culturally helpful. Take the extreme example of the Holocaust. Ask a Jew sometimes why the Jews don't just move on already. History repeats itself because people are just so tired of talking about it and bringing up previous mistakes over and over.
"What's an article about Hillary Clinton's over-exaggerations have to do with Bush?" You're kidding, right? It's hard NOT to compare her the Exaggerator In Chief. - cygnus2112, on 03/29/2008, -0/+2Apparently, "you just don't get it."
- madoc62, on 03/29/2008, -0/+2David,
This isn't just you so please don't take it personally. As an analogy, how would you feel and what would you think of a guy who constantly - _CONSTANTLY_ - kept bringing up his ex-girlfriend in any and every conversation you had with him? You'd be talking about how nice the weather is and he'd mention how awful she was and that he's glad she's not there sharing the it with him. You'd be talking about work and he'd mention how awful she was and that he's glad to be free of her cause he works better without her. You'd mention last night's game and he'd tell you how much she hated his favorite team. And so on, and so on and so on and so on...
Look, we get it. Dubya ain't your pal. Never was. You made that clear. A while ago. And I didn't vote for him either.
But let him go! Please, for your sake, and for our sake, let him go. Codependency is a sad, sad thing and the Democrats, as a party, suffer from it greatly when comes to Bush. Everything and anything they do they measure against him first.
Yeah, fine, he can be a nice rallying point for the party faithful. An Emmanuel Goldstein if you will. But even there it becomes a disservice as it keeps the focus on the past and not either the present nor the future. And when it comes to voting, most Americans want politics that look to the future, not the past. So, this continued focus on the past is selling yourself short and screwing yourself come November. - zappa717, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1like everyone who never mentions Bill Clinton's blow job, right?
- davidlow, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2Wow. Anger much?
- madoc62, on 03/29/2008, -3/+5And it never, ever fails! In piece that was wholly and entirely about the failings of Hillary Rodham-Clinton and her effect on the Democrat party of course - OF COURSE - someone would make damn sure to get Bush into the picture somehow.
- RobN, on 03/29/2008, -15/+8I'm waiting for the apology. The "vast right-wing conspiracy" has been pointing out Hillary's lies for over a decade now (and Bill tells whoppers nearly as often as Hillary, he's just a lot more believable when he tells them). Hillary supporters have called her critics sexist, and have called us liars for pointing out her lies. So where's the apology?
- TomJx, on 03/28/2008, -3/+20"...either confirmed what you already knew (she lies as a matter of strategy, or, as William Safire said in 1996, by nature) or revealed in an unforgettable way (videotape! Smiling girl in pigtails offering flowers!) what you feared (that she lies more than is humanly usual, even politically usual)."
Or as David Geffen said, "Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease it's troubling."
Or as a friend of mine used to say, "She lies just to stay in practice."
No matter what the explanation, it's now beyond 'troubling'.- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -2/+1It doesn't matter!! The fact is that she is our best choice right now.
Not only she can bring the country together, she can even win the war against terror once and for all. Hell, this bitch is the incarnation of a Republican soul imprisoned in a Democrat's body. I say, she will unite men and women, black and white, left and right, rich and poor, masters and workers......and will make our boys salute he HUGE DICK every morning like Dick Cheney never even dreamed of...
I'd normally support Johnny Bomb Iran McCain, but he's an old fart who might kick the bucket even before November. He's also more likely to lose against Bin Laden's Causin (Saddam's brother), Obama Hussein Barack. If by some curse that dude gets into the White House, it will be the end for America. Whites will be slaughtering blacks in the streets. Gangs will be torching our cities. The rich will flee the country and take their money with them. There will be major famines and disasters that will make New Orleans look like a pick nick. Civil War and depression all over again.... We will of course not allow that and will be hanging him by the testicles should he win the Dem's nomination. But why this craziness? Do we really need a Terrorist loving president to make things right in this country. I'd say, let's put a woman a with a dick on the job. I am for Hillary all the way.- cygnus2112, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1Wow. Just ... wow. I shall repeat your question: "But why this craziness?"
- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -2/+1It doesn't matter!! The fact is that she is our best choice right now.
- Kizilbash, on 03/28/2008, -5/+15So does this mean even Rupert Murdoch has given up on her?
- Pherdnut, on 03/29/2008, -0/+3That depends on whether Peggy has a job tomorrow.
- CicurateGroup, on 03/28/2008, -3/+7Brilliant!!!
- bherring, on 03/28/2008, -3/+36I saw though Hilary when she pulled her little tear-jerk a couple months ago. Choking up fake tears is an old trick used down south by carpetbaggers to sell snake oil and faith healing to the tenant farmers.
No one buys Hilary's snake oil anymore.- cygnus2112, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1It's just sort of funny, though, that a good many of Obama supporters used to be Clinton supporters. Even today's anti-Clinton blogs used to be fervently and radically pro-Clinton before Obama started making massive gains in popularity.
- junkwheel, on 03/28/2008, -3/+5Great article, bang on the money.
- wright3279, on 03/28/2008, -10/+12Digg is slipping. When I open up digg today, out of the first 10 articles, only 3 are pro-Obama or anti-Hillary. Usually at least half.
- Nutmegan, on 03/29/2008, -2/+8Be patient. In a couple months, half will be pro-Obama or anti-McCain.
- monkeyrun, on 03/29/2008, -2/+2It will be funny to see piles of anti-Obama article once the Democrats primary's settled.
Typical pump and dump.- cjshamrock, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1That's for sure, amigo
- egoherodotus, on 03/28/2008, -5/+10sorry.. I am dodging bullets right now and couldn't read the article, can someone tell me what it said?
- theDunedan, on 03/29/2008, -3/+1I would but you will not have time to read it.
- EarlOfLade, on 03/29/2008, -2/+4Read the first comment on this page, it has it all!
- MisterChirish, on 03/28/2008, -2/+12Personally, I like it more and more when Hillary talks about her vast and superior leadership experiences. I haven't had a good fairy tale to fall asleep to in years...
- 4321234, on 03/29/2008, -9/+8A little self-aggrandising lie involving mythical mortar fire doesn't seem as bad to me as big lies about weapons of mass destruction and links to al quaida that results in a trillion dollar war with 4000 dead GIs, hundreds of thousands of dead civilians and windfall oil company profits. I'd sooner vote for Hillary's first term than W's third, but fortunately there's a third alternative.
- stubear, on 03/29/2008, -1/+3Yes, but that's where it starts.
- gwolf, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2Your right of course but this is just the beginning, what might she do given the time and the power. When I have heard Obama speak, my sense is here is a man who tries to be honest because he understands as I do that it's sooo much easier and you never have trouble remembering.
- madoc62, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2That's nice. Truly. It is. But, Bush isn't running in '08. Sorry. I know that too many folk simply can't cope with the idea that the Dubya won't be around to be the measure of their daily lives. However, the sooner you folks learn to leave him behind then the sooner you can get over your codependency with the guy. Damn, it is thick in here. An article about the failings of Hillary Clinton provokes comments about... George Bush! Damn, whodathunkit!
- JulyZerg, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1The sniper lie is probably just the beginning - if she's elected it will be even worse, I bet...
For the first time, if she gets nominated, I might just think that it won't be THAT bad if a republican wins... :S- madoc62, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1And you know that somewhere in the background, Karl Rove is ***** himself laughing at this. Even he, THE ROVE, couldn't have concocted such a classic *****-up as this. While THE ROVE might be a master schemer, his abilities to create confusion and strife amongst his enemies pales in comparison to the Democrat's of skills at self-defeat. Nothing new here, just look back at what Will Rodgers had to say about the Democrat party...
- NelsonR, on 03/29/2008, -3/+6Great read and not because I dislike Hillary, it explains her dilemma. The reenactment of the Bosnia event near the end of the article was hilarious.
- outkaster, on 03/29/2008, -3/+4She's a snake? liar? Power hungry? In it for her own ego? Yes?
- JinnRikki, on 03/29/2008, -6/+5Good article Nooner, now if you would just take that critical gaze and turn it on your own party I'm sure you'll discover a wealth of "fictions and crazy" to keep you writing until another Republican ascends to the Throne...er...Presidency, say sometime around 2032.
- tcugrilla, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1yes obama is also well qualified to be president. his vast experience and dead sharp memory are living proof.
jinn has been drinking the kool aid again.
- tcugrilla, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1yes obama is also well qualified to be president. his vast experience and dead sharp memory are living proof.
- loki440, on 03/29/2008, -2/+7
You have to wonder about the inner workings of this woman and her husband. . . a man I used to admire. These are extremely smart people who I have to believe don't have any illusions about how this race will end up. Members of her own staff are giving the Clinton campaign a 10% chance of winning the nomination. This is extremely generous.
Michigan and Florida will not revote. Without them, she has virtually no shot of besting Obama in delegates or the popular vote by the end of the primaries. And even though she may be a viable candidate in the general election, there simply isn't a credible argument to justify it without being on the winning end of those metrics.
Again there is no doubt in my mind that she KNOWS this. Then why is she putting us through this long death march of a campaign? Why is she crippling the eventual nominee even though she knows she doesn't have a legit shot to win this? I saw a story that shows how Obama's negative ratings are now close to Hillary's record setting negatives.
http://www.slate.com/id/2175496/
What the hell is it going to take for this to end?- superkendall, on 03/29/2008, -2/+2I don't think YOU understand. Without a revote, they are going to include Michigan and Florida delegates. She will be the nominee, she just has too many strings to pull not to make it happen one way or another.
I don't like her either, and I rather like Obama. But I can still see what is going to happen.- gwolf, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1She doesn't have a chance in hell unless the Dems want to concede the election right now. She has made a lot of bad blood withing the democratic party ranks. I doubt she will be re elected to congress.
- aboutlogin, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2obama could still get shot, or the equivalent - some kind of sex story, they just did it with spitzer and it worked pretty good.
- madoc62, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1Actually, I think he already has had the equivalent; the whole Reverend Wright fiasco. Yeah, the uproar from that has died down some but if only due to Hillary's latest gaffe. The fact that Obama is still standing with that bigot cuts real deep into a lot of Democrats - and a lot of Americans in general. This, I think is what Hillary is counting on.
She sees Obama as being to flawed to win in November. Sure, the guy has appeal now, amongst the highly partisan Democrats who come out in the primaries - but beyond their numbers? No, Hillary is looking at that and realizing Obama is not the "perfect candidate" he's being made out to be.
And a lot of the calls for Hillary to quit seem to be making that same mistake. They are quick to gloss over Obama's significant failings in the name of sticking it to Hillary. This then cause her to dig her heels in even harder. I think she's got a real chance of pulling off some significant numbers in the coming weeks. Enough to keep her campaign alive and keep leaning on the Supers.
She has no real incentive to quit. She clearly doesn't think Obama has got what it takes and she knows that this is her only shot.
- madoc62, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1Actually, I think he already has had the equivalent; the whole Reverend Wright fiasco. Yeah, the uproar from that has died down some but if only due to Hillary's latest gaffe. The fact that Obama is still standing with that bigot cuts real deep into a lot of Democrats - and a lot of Americans in general. This, I think is what Hillary is counting on.
- firebirdx01, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1an aside, but the sample size for that article is only 1000.
- superkendall, on 03/29/2008, -2/+2I don't think YOU understand. Without a revote, they are going to include Michigan and Florida delegates. She will be the nominee, she just has too many strings to pull not to make it happen one way or another.
- PHiZ187, on 03/29/2008, -10/+4And why exactly should we take the opinions of Reagan's former speech-writer as candid and unbiased? More Karl Rove mind-manipulation politics.
- delmar14, on 03/29/2008, -4/+9Its the op-ed section, *****. Opinions don't need to be unbiased, thats why they're in the opinion section.
- chili555, on 03/29/2008, -2/+5Because we are open to any and all expressions of opinion and, even though we are Diggers, we are still smart enough to know when to agree and disagree. We are not subject to mind-manipulation; we listen and then we make up our own minds. I doubt there is _any_ opinion, outside the Cartoon Channel, that is unbiased.
- BabushkaBlue, on 03/29/2008, -2/+5Reagan's former speech writer certainly spoke to ME. I "get" it for absolute certain and don't feel manipulated in the least.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 03/29/2008, -2/+6For god sake, do the delegate math, that's why. She's (Noonan) is right. Hillary can't cope with the fact she didn't win (it is over, at least assuming the DNC election process is completed how it was designed to operate). There is nothing thing she can do next to a DNC nomination hijack..... which I'm definitely rooting for cuz I think populism is crap, but still I agree with the article for logical reasons..... HRC is a narcisist, seriously, with her and Billy's ability to lie they might actually be brother and sister, because I don't see how two people that phenomenal at lying could meet, let alone marry.
- gwolf, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1What you call populism, I call democracy. Where it seems to go wrong is when everything gets filtered through sound bites. Little 5 second clips that point stupid people in the direction corporate media wants them to go.
I hope we can break the cycle this time around.- NonLeftistDiggr, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1No, it's really not about media distortion with her, at least not for me, she's been around in the big spot light for 15 years, and I paid attention. What you call democracy I call making people believe they can't make it in the world and subsequently dependent on the state seizing property and wages for redistribution to the people who will then choose to grant the state more power.
- gwolf, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1What you call populism, I call democracy. Where it seems to go wrong is when everything gets filtered through sound bites. Little 5 second clips that point stupid people in the direction corporate media wants them to go.
- youjettisonme, on 03/29/2008, -4/+5No negatively rated posts? No "Obamabot" quips? No cries of rebuttal by invoking pastorgate rather then address the issue? Hillary supporters, have you really given up? Really? Rejoice!!!
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 03/29/2008, -2/+2That's a good point, I've noticed that more the past week, maybe two. There aren't many rebuttals from HRC fans anymore. They were always in smaller numbers than the obama-ites on digg, but not this quiet. Maybe people are really starting to take the 15 year bag off their head relative to her and Billy.
- sixspeed, on 03/29/2008, -1/+3It would take a lot more than the sophomoric arguments found in these comments to stop me from supporting HRC. So many of the hateful anti-Clinton comments here are from conservatives who despise the Clintons and always will. They are joined by young Obama fans who wrongly assume the best way to help their candidate secure the nomination is to savage his opponent. They are too young to remember or appreciate Bill's presidency and Hillary's contribution to it. Hillary had an office in the West Wing during Bill's two terms. She was as much a part of that administration's success as anyone.
I am a life-long Democrat. I'll vote for HRC in the PA primary because I think she is the strongest candidate. If Obama gets the nomination. I will vote for him along with most other Clinton supporters.
I'm quite used to reading hateful things from the right-wing regarding Hillary. But it really saddens me to see Obama fans embrace people like Peggy Noonan and link arms with conservatives here at Digg in an effort to support their candidate. You folks are the ones that can damage Democratic chances for victory in November with your misguided vitriol. Not the Clinton supporters.- parallax7d, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2lol, Hillary was as much a part of the administrations success as anyone? What was the big project she worked on? Oh, it failed? Oh AND helped bring in the Newt Gingrich Republican congress? Go Hillary!
Face the facts, Hillary stretches the truth beyond recognition, if you weren't so inspired by her strong femaleness you wouldn't be supporting her. If you want someone with experience you would be supporting McCain, or someone who can revamp Washington, Obama.- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -4/+1I hate this bitch as much as the next guy, but for the future of this country, she is our best choice right now. She can bring the country together. She is the only Democrat who thinks like a Republican. She will unite men and women, black and white, left and right. This woman has a bigger dick than her husband, and our boys will be proud to serve under her command. Also, she is going to be much easier to beat in November for our candidate, Johnny Bomb Iran McCain. So I am rooting for her like she was my own whore mother.
Worse case is Bin Laden's Causin, and Saddam's brother, Obama Hussein Barack. If by some curse that dude gets into the White House, it will be Civil War. Whites will be slaughtering blacks in the streets. Gangs will be torching our cities. The rich will flee the country and take their money with them. There will be major famines and disasters that will make New Orleans look like a pick nick. If he wins the Democratic nomination, best solution is to have him assassinated. Wisest choice for him is to step down now before it's too late.
- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -4/+1I hate this bitch as much as the next guy, but for the future of this country, she is our best choice right now. She can bring the country together. She is the only Democrat who thinks like a Republican. She will unite men and women, black and white, left and right. This woman has a bigger dick than her husband, and our boys will be proud to serve under her command. Also, she is going to be much easier to beat in November for our candidate, Johnny Bomb Iran McCain. So I am rooting for her like she was my own whore mother.
- Pyehole, on 03/29/2008, -2/+5HRC's problem is that the hateful anti-Clinton comments that are being made by conservatives are being overwhelmed by an ever growing chorus of moderates and liberals who see her for what she truly is.
I count myself among those. - rottencod, on 03/29/2008, -0/+8There's a lot of emotion in this race for the Dem nomination. Obama has brought in armies full of people who otherwise wouldn't even be interested in politics, and he has energized a base of people who were about to lose interest. Hillary wasn't counting on that happening. She was the inevitable nominee until millions of people woke up and started doing what they could to change history in favor of a new approach to politics - not just more Us vs. Them nonsense and bickering, but a willingness to sit down and actually listen to what your opponents are saying.
That is also why there is a lot of bad blood between supporters of the two campaigns. Hillary's supporters are surprised and angry that the path they assumed would be obstacle-free is suddenly on the rocks and facing defeat. Obama supporters see Hillary as a vitriolic dinosaur, doing everything she can do to stop the movement for understanding and civility in its tracks. True, we resort to bashing and flaming too easily, but make no mistake that we are not just fighting against Hillary or for Obama. We are fighting for the chance to actually change the way American politics work. Whether Obama can actually deliver on that is secondary: he is the candidate making the promise, and he'll get knocked down if he fails, from the very same people who are so adamantly supporting him now. But at this moment, he has the faith of those among us who believe we need a clean break from the cycle of partisan deadlock that has allowed America to stagnate and devolve into a borderline Fascist state.
This race isn't about white versus black or man versus woman, no matter how the pundits try to dumb it down and twist it into that. It's about a whole generation of people who are disgusted with the politics of the lowest common denominator, it's about newcomers to the world of politics who refuse to settle for what their parents settled for, and it's about people who just don't understand why we have to dance around the edges of ever issue instead of addressing this country's problems head-on, while taking every view into consideration, even those we haven't thought of or would normally oppose.
Hillary Clinton is successful because of the traditional thinking in politics - the thinking that says the answer to a Republican is a Democrat. My hope is that more and more people will begin to realize that those two dimensions are essentially meaningless, and that we aren't fighting "Republicans," we're fighting ignorance, xenophobia, and the power structures that fear a united American People. No simple Democrat is going to answer that call. because the Democratic Party doesn't have all the answers either. The answers rest with the People, and the People must have a President who respects their wishes and values their judgment.- sixspeed, on 03/29/2008, -1/+3That was an excellent response and I thank you for taking the time to write it. As someone who lived through the Reagan years and the Rovian tactics of the Bush Administrations I can't help but think you are terribly idealistic. But as I said before, if Barack wins the nomination, he will have my vote and my best wishes. I would be thrilled to see him become the Tiger Woods of American Politics and bring about the change of which he so eloquently speaks. I honestly don't see that happening. Not now. Not yet. In the same way Hillary's foolish exaggerations and hard-nosed campaigning inflame your idealism, Barack's problematic relationship with Reverend Wright will inflame the racists in this country. Not just the red-necks, but the millions of people who harbor fear of the unknown. You needn't look past Barack's own grandmother to find them. And you can believe the conservatives will feed that fear with everything they've got. I can't help but think Michele will prove to be a problem as well. I honestly hope I am wrong about that. But we both know racism still lies deep in the heart of this country. It is sad and terrible, but it is a fact. And Barack's inability to turn his back on his old pastor (and I don't believe he should turn his back on him) will give even those who fight their prejudices a reason to turn to McCain.
That's why I want that battle-hardened old bitch and her brilliant husband back in the White House to get us back on the path we were on in the 1990's and pave the way for Barack in 2012 and beyond.
But hey, maybe I'm wrong. If Barack gets the nod, we'll find out. It would be wonderful if I am wrong and you are right.- rottencod, on 03/29/2008, -0/+3Your position is definitely an understandable one, and maybe I am terribly idealistic. But I think idealism is what we need. The dogmatic pragmatism of the last 28 years, even in the 1990s, is what is killing this country. We need a leap of faith, not a safety net. This chance to stand and fight for everything we believe in isn't going to happen again for a long, long time. And, with the tone of the race being what it is now, if Barack Obama is defeated in this race it will be seen as the absolute failure and futility of running a campaign based on hope. Forget Obama - the entire movement for progressive, even idealistic, transformation of our faltering nation will die for at least an entire generation. If that happens, the groundswell of support from millions of newly interested citizens will fade, and apathy will be on the rise again, and nothing will change.
- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -4/+1I am with you sister. I am not as crazy about the Clintons as you are, but to be practical, and for the future of this country, she is our best choice right now.
I believe she can bring the country together. She is the incarnation of a Republican soul living (imprisoned?) in a Democrat's body. She will unite men and women, black and white, left and right, rich and poor, masters and workers......
I'd normally support Johnny Bomb Iran McCain, but he's an old fart who might kick the bucket even before November. He's also more likely to lose against Bin Laden's Causin (Saddam's brother), Obama Hussein Barack. If by some curse that dude gets into the White House, it will be the end for America. Whites will be slaughtering blacks in the streets. Gangs will be torching our cities. The rich will flee the country and take their money with them. There will be major famines and disasters that will make New Orleans look like a pick nick. Civil War and depression all over again.... We will of course not allow that and will be hanging him by the testicles should he win the Dem's nomination. But why this craziness? Do we really need a Terrorist loving president to make things right in this country. I'd say, let's put a woman a with a dick on the job. I am for Hillary all the way.
- sixspeed, on 03/29/2008, -1/+3That was an excellent response and I thank you for taking the time to write it. As someone who lived through the Reagan years and the Rovian tactics of the Bush Administrations I can't help but think you are terribly idealistic. But as I said before, if Barack wins the nomination, he will have my vote and my best wishes. I would be thrilled to see him become the Tiger Woods of American Politics and bring about the change of which he so eloquently speaks. I honestly don't see that happening. Not now. Not yet. In the same way Hillary's foolish exaggerations and hard-nosed campaigning inflame your idealism, Barack's problematic relationship with Reverend Wright will inflame the racists in this country. Not just the red-necks, but the millions of people who harbor fear of the unknown. You needn't look past Barack's own grandmother to find them. And you can believe the conservatives will feed that fear with everything they've got. I can't help but think Michele will prove to be a problem as well. I honestly hope I am wrong about that. But we both know racism still lies deep in the heart of this country. It is sad and terrible, but it is a fact. And Barack's inability to turn his back on his old pastor (and I don't believe he should turn his back on him) will give even those who fight their prejudices a reason to turn to McCain.
- parallax7d, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2lol, Hillary was as much a part of the administrations success as anyone? What was the big project she worked on? Oh, it failed? Oh AND helped bring in the Newt Gingrich Republican congress? Go Hillary!
- Pherdnut, on 03/29/2008, -0/+3Your post illustrates my biggest problem with just about every Hillary supporter, I've encountered sixspeed. What have you actually said about your candidate that is good and about my candidate that is bad?
You mention one fact. Hillary had an office in the white house. All that does is remind me that the insurance industry used to be her enemy but that it is now her friend. (I won't be so tacky to disparage her for failing to get an otherwise noble plan through an intensely hostile congress).
Beyond that, I do not care that you "think" Hillary is the best candidate if you don't have anything to back that opinion up with. Nor do I consider your status as a "life-long" democrat relevant. Your assertion that we're all young and naive (I'm 34 by the way) is pretty damned obnoxious.
HRC's supporters by and large seem dominated by identity politics at its very worst. You all choose Hillary because you think choosing her makes you seem smarter, more mature, and more experienced yet I never run into any HRC supporters who actually seem to have a clue about the election or what the candidates actually stand for.
They are NOT almost the same. It is very relevant to me that one stood against the war while the other chickened out. More importantly, one is serious about electoral reform while the other can only say that it would be "hard" as she hauls a presidential library full of special interest financiers with her to our highest seat of executive power.
Do you understand? McCain is more serious about finance reform than Hillary is. And that to me is the root of every bad thing that's happened in the last 7 years. When I say I'll take McCaine over Clinton, it's not because I'm mad at Hillary or just trying to be a dick, it's because I want people to stop taking it for granted that there is corruption in politics. It is NOT OKAY to bring special interests to the table any more.- sixspeed, on 03/29/2008, -0/+2My post was a response to the unbelievable sight of fellow Democrats singing the praises of the likes of Peggy Noonan - gleefully egged on by conservative trolls.
You support Senator Obama? Great, good luck to you. But try to support him without joining Republicans in trashing the name of someone half the party believes to be a heroine. By doing so you alienate those whose support you will need in November.
Finance reform important to you? Me too. Several attempts were made in the 90's to achieve that. All shot down by both sides of the isle. It takes millions of dollars to get elected president in this country. That is a fact. Look what was spent to get W elected. Should the Democrats fight the Haliburtons of the conservatives with a trip to Kinkos for some posters to nail on telephone poles?
How do you feel about healthcare reform? Think a McCain administration will achieve progress on that? Think McCain has what it takes to dig us out of the current economic morass? I don't.
I don't support HRC because it think it makes me "seem" anything. I'm trying to get a Democratic president in the White House. That's what I want. If you are a Democrat, so should you.- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1I am with you sister. I am not as crazy about the Clintons as you are, but to be practical, and for the future of this country, she is our best choice right now.
I believe she can bring the country together. She is the incarnation of a Republican soul living (imprisoned?) in a Democrat's body. She will unite men and women, black and white, left and right, rich and poor, masters and workers......
I'd normally support Johnny Bomb Iran McCain, but he's an old fart who might kick the bucket even before November. He's also more likely to lose against Bin Laden's Causin (Saddam's brother), Obama Hussein Barack. If by some curse that dude gets into the White House, it will be the end for America. Whites will be slaughtering blacks in the streets. Gangs will be torching our cities. The rich will flee the country and take their money with them. There will be major famines and disasters that will make New Orleans look like a pick nick. Civil War and depression all over again.... We will of course not allow that and will be hanging him by the testicles should he win the Dem's nomination. But why this craziness? Do we really need a Terrorist loving president to make things right in this country. I'd say, let's put a woman a with a dick on the job. I am for Hillary all the way.
- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1I am with you sister. I am not as crazy about the Clintons as you are, but to be practical, and for the future of this country, she is our best choice right now.
- sixspeed, on 03/29/2008, -0/+2My post was a response to the unbelievable sight of fellow Democrats singing the praises of the likes of Peggy Noonan - gleefully egged on by conservative trolls.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 03/29/2008, -1/+4It has nothing to do with sophmoric arguements or a now super hip candidate, it has to do with people recognizing (whether it's late for some or not for others) that she has no integrity, and I mean no integrity relative to politics. That is an extraordinarly huge put off that HRC fans can't seem to identify, or choose to ignore.
As a conservative I don't want Obama in, but I can recognize he seems to have a vision, that hasn't changed all that much, and a record to back his vision that he sticks to for the most part. So at least he seems to have some convictions. Hillary on the other hand flaps in the wind at will following whatever current ideaology fads are likely to help her gain power, and always has. It's been a joy to watch the DNC get torn up by the same pitbull it created. Are you a democrat? Clinton doesn't care about whatever values make you a democrat, she just wants power, and is so blatant about pursuing it that it completely boggles my mind how she has any supporters, especially after this primary fiasco.- sixspeed, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1Right, let's replace the sophomoric arguments with sweeping generalizations from someone whose opinion on who should be the Democratic nominee couldn't be less important or interesting.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1Sorry, face the music. Your opinions are not very important either, obviously since your candidate lies at will and still has your support. You might as well be a rock or jello.
- sixspeed, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1Right, let's replace the sophomoric arguments with sweeping generalizations from someone whose opinion on who should be the Democratic nominee couldn't be less important or interesting.
- theDunedan, on 03/29/2008, -9/+4Wow.
Peggy Noonan for president. - kurupt, on 03/29/2008, -4/+6I drink your milkshake, Hillary Clinton! I drink it up!
- willywong, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1yay!
- PoonGnarfler, on 03/29/2008, -1/+0I'm FINISHED!
- RationalXubrnce, on 03/29/2008, -6/+15 Damn that was well said. Peggy Noonan is easily one of the best political essay writers working today, on either side of the aisle.
- offspring06, on 03/29/2008, -3/+8I'm glad that at least one reporter gets it. Hillary is crazy. America doesn't need her as President.
- jcdickerson, on 03/29/2008, -0/+2Well, actually, she's an op-ed writer, not a reporter,
- BlacklabelSAR, on 03/29/2008, -1/+3I believe Hillary also faith-healed the maimed, rose the dead, cured cancer, and saved a few children who had fallen in various wells.
- caketank, on 03/29/2008, -5/+9Folks, Peggy Noonan was a speechwriter for Reagan and has been a party soldier ever since (right on through Newt and GW, even). She's part of the problem.
You have issues with Clinton, I'm right there with you. But let's not pretend Peggy freaking Noonan is a voice of reason. Even a stopped clock, right?- jcdickerson, on 03/29/2008, -1/+3Peggy Noonan has repeatedly criticized members on both sides of the aisle and she's a great writer to boot. Is she conservative? You bet. But she, unlike a lot of others (Ann Coulter I'm looking in your general direction) is not a Republican-can-do-no-wrong type.
- caketank, on 03/29/2008, -0/+3If Ann Coulter is your yardstick, then everyone is competent and reasonable. That's Ann Coulter's purpose. Please don't bring her up again.
Noonan is either a cynical propagandist or a complete moron. She's one of the people responsible for the rise of the religious right through her participation in Reagan's coalition-building and cheerleading that coalition right up until it fell apart, but as soon as it did fall apart (especially during the primary) she avowed her utter disdain for that faction. She was a major Bush supporter in 2000 and 2004 (largely on the grounds that he's a tough guy... like any rock-ribbed Republican, she loves tough guys), and now whines that she was somehow tricked and has suddenly discovered that he's a liar and (worse!) a big spender. She dover headfirst into the Terry Schiavo fiasco and then lied her way back out. She's generally spent her career writing love notes to ascendant Republicans and hit pieces on everyone else, and this is one of the latter.
Yeah, she's a pretty good writer. So what? She's still part of the noise machine, and that makes her part of the problem. Peggy Noonan should be wholly ignored on all matters.
- caketank, on 03/29/2008, -0/+3If Ann Coulter is your yardstick, then everyone is competent and reasonable. That's Ann Coulter's purpose. Please don't bring her up again.
- jcdickerson, on 03/29/2008, -1/+3Peggy Noonan has repeatedly criticized members on both sides of the aisle and she's a great writer to boot. Is she conservative? You bet. But she, unlike a lot of others (Ann Coulter I'm looking in your general direction) is not a Republican-can-do-no-wrong type.
- cristinas, on 03/29/2008, -7/+1I have some questions about Obama's friends!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIe4d9Nmg9k- Yatata, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1are you new here?
- FcukAllYall, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2I get it... and I pray the rest of her followers will too
- RRJackson, on 03/29/2008, -0/+3Yeah, we get it. You hate her and you won't vote for her when she gets the nomination in Denver. Say it with me, "President McCain."
- jpittawa, on 04/17/2008, -0/+0According to the poles I've read Hillary would lose to McCain. What a choice, The Nut Case or The Pathologiical Liar. Wow.
- RRJackson, on 03/29/2008, -0/+3Yeah, we get it. You hate her and you won't vote for her when she gets the nomination in Denver. Say it with me, "President McCain."
- wonderworm, on 03/29/2008, -3/+11You guys are just now realizing this about Hilla-Bitch? There's a reason she raises even more money than the GOP from corporations and lobbyists. Because just like Bush, Cheney and McCain, she morally prostitutes herself in exchange for the promise of unopposable, unrelenting power.
That's why Obama is so resoundingly different than every other candidate and why when elected he has the potential to forever change the way our current corrupt governmental system is run. He signals the end of the lobbyist money train and the beginning of a new era. An era where the people and their interests overpower corporations and paid lobbyists for the first time in our great history.- jpittawa, on 04/17/2008, -0/+0>>An era where the people and their interests overpower corporations and paid lobbyists for the first time in our great history.
Really?? Newt Gingrich was the first Speaker of the House to ban lobbyist's access to congressional committee meetings and the cloak room. FYI The house appropriates the money. That is the real power and the lobbyists had their access cut while Newt ran the House. Wonder if that's the real story behind his ouster?
- jpittawa, on 04/17/2008, -0/+0>>An era where the people and their interests overpower corporations and paid lobbyists for the first time in our great history.
- kd1s, on 03/29/2008, -2/+3I'm so happy the media is now nailing her to the cross. I don't trust her, she comes across as so self-entitled and smug. And keep in mind, she was on the Wal Mart Board of Directors. She also supported NAFTA which drained away every bit of manufacturing in the U.S. that paid a decent wage.
- Pherdnut, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1It might be Peggy Noonan. But that doesn't mean it isn't !@#$ing hilarious.
- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -2/+1I hate both of these bitches, but for the future of this country, Hilary is our best choice. She can bring the country together. She is the only Democrat who thinks like a Republican. She will unite men and women, black and white, left and right. This woman has a bigger dick than her husband, and our boys will be proud to serve under her command. Also, she is going to be much easier to beat in November for our candidate, Johnny Bomb Iran McCain. So I am rooting for her like she was my own whore mother.
Worse case is Bin Laden's Causin, and Saddam's brother, Obama Hussein Barack. If by some curse that dude gets into the White House, it will be Civil War. Whites will be slaughtering blacks in the streets. Gangs will be torching our cities. The rich will flee the country and take their money with them. There will be major famines and disasters that will make New Orleans look like a pick nick. If he wins the Democratic nomination, best solution is to have him assassinated. Wisest choice for him is to step down now before it's too late.
- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -2/+1I hate both of these bitches, but for the future of this country, Hilary is our best choice. She can bring the country together. She is the only Democrat who thinks like a Republican. She will unite men and women, black and white, left and right. This woman has a bigger dick than her husband, and our boys will be proud to serve under her command. Also, she is going to be much easier to beat in November for our candidate, Johnny Bomb Iran McCain. So I am rooting for her like she was my own whore mother.
- dexedrine, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2You have to wonder about the inner workings of this woman and her husband. . . a man I used to admire. These are extremely smart people who I have to believe don't have any illusions about how this race will end up.
-I've thought about this myself. You always have your public personas and campaign people etc. I have to say that I still do like Bill Clinton. I think he is someone caught between a rock and a hard place. There is more than one force keeping him entangled in this mess somewhat. I was rather disheartened when Bill came out on the offensive against Barack. but I thought, what if he had no "choice". I couldn't imagine being in a marriage with her and taking her abuse behind closed doors. While I do think she can be a 'very nice woman, she has a negative side that always shows itself no matter how hard she tries. And I can't imagine what is coming out of her mouth to Bill behind closed doors. "You better play your part or I'll get rid of you too!!" "If you leave now, you better not look back!!" "After what you did to me, how dare you presume to think you know me. You will do what you're told!!" "I need you go South and try an rally me up some votes. I don;t care how you do it, just do it!!" etc, etc. I mean when you think about it, you can go on and on. But then maybe I've watched too much 24. But anyhoo, I was trying to address the Billary idea. I think Bill as best may be an unwilling participant in this wave of events or at worst, completely believe in her delusion. I would like to think I judged him right the first time around. This may also give credence to why he was 'unhappily' received by the public. He didn't put his 'soul' in it, because he didn't believe it. If we could vote him in office again, I would definitely vote for Bill, but I will never vote for Hillary. It's funny how she 'berates Barack' for his use of oratory, but she can weave a real nice story herself.- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1It's simple. Following the Lewinsky episodes, she cut off his dick and sewed it between her own legs. Ever since, she takes out that dick everyday and makes him bow to it before she ***** him in the ass with it.
- cjshamrock, on 03/29/2008, -0/+2Poor Bill. I used to like him.
- dexedrine, on 03/29/2008, -1/+3So many of the hateful anti-Clinton comments here are from conservatives who despise the Clintons and always will. They are joined by young Obama fans who wrongly assume the best way to help their candidate secure the nomination is to savage his opponent. They are too young to remember or appreciate Bill's presidency and Hillary's contribution to it.
ummm... I remember the Clinton years and the prosperity the country garnered. I would happily vote Bill Clinton back in office. Yes, he is, and may have been, crooked. But he still was able to get things done as President. That said, given a choice between Hillary and anyone else (not Bill), it will be that anyone else. The Hillary evil is not the evil I want. Now that I am not necessarily a Clinton Hater, and am not a Young Obama Supporter, where do I fall in your 'sample' pools?- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -4/+1I am with you brother. I am not as crazy about the Clintons, but am a practical patriot, and for the future of this country, I say she is our best choice right now.
I believe she can bring the country together. She is the incarnation of a Republican soul living (imprisoned?) in a Democrat's body. She will unite men and women, black and white, left and right, rich and poor, masters and workers......
I'd normally support Johnny Bomb Iran McCain, but he's an old fart who might kick the bucket even before November. He's also more likely to lose against Bin Laden's Causin (Saddam's brother), Obama Hussein Barack. If by some curse that dude gets into the White House, it will be the end for America. Whites will be slaughtering blacks in the streets. Gangs will be torching our cities. The rich will flee the country and take their money with them. There will be major famines and disasters that will make New Orleans look like a pick nick. Civil War and depression all over again.... We will of course not allow that and will be hanging him by the testicles should he win the Dem's nomination. But why this craziness? Do we really need a Terrorist loving president to make things right in this country? I'd say, let's put a woman a with a dick on the job. I am for Hillary all the way.
- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -4/+1I am with you brother. I am not as crazy about the Clintons, but am a practical patriot, and for the future of this country, I say she is our best choice right now.
- Independentsam, on 03/29/2008, -0/+3Hey, I am for Obama. But why should Hillary drop out now? Seems to me that there are still valid votes not counted. What is wrong in waiting for primary results in states that have not had the opportunity to vote? Surely, the Democratic Party is not that fragile.
- RRJackson, on 03/29/2008, -6/+3Ah, some Peggy Noonan ***** for the Obamabots to rally around. Someone whose opinion most of you would normally revile. But as long as she seems to be on your side this time, right?
- cjshamrock, on 03/29/2008, -0/+3I'm starting to think she has a mental disorder of some kind. Delusional, compulsive liar, illusions of grandeur. I do not trust her a bit.
- Iconoclast25, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1What, you just opened your ears and eyes in the last year? She's been like this since at least 1991.
- Yatata, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1surprisingly not too many Hillary defenders posting comments... are they ... "getting it" ??
- AsylumAleikum, on 03/29/2008, -2/+1Hillary may be a crook and a pathological liar, but she is the best candidate for President the Democrat party has to offer.
Hillary 2012!- Iconoclast25, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1This observation speaks volumes about the dimocrap politicians!
- Tehrooni, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1I am with you. I am not as crazy about the Clintons, but am a practical patriot, and for the future of this country, I say she is our best choice right now.
I believe she can bring the country together. She is the incarnation of a Republican soul living (imprisoned?) in a Democrat's body. She will unite men and women, black and white, left and right, rich and poor, masters and workers......
I'd normally support Johnny Bomb Iran McCain, but he's an old fart who might kick the bucket even before November. He's also more likely to lose against Bin Laden's Causin (Saddam's brother), Obama Hussein Barack. If by some curse that dude gets into the White House, it will be the end for America. Whites will be slaughtering blacks in the streets. Gangs will be torching our cities. The rich will flee the country and take their money with them. There will be major famines and disasters that will make New Orleans look like a pick nick. Civil War and depression all over again.... We will of course not allow that and will be hanging him by the testicles should he win the Dem's nomination. But why this craziness? Do we really need a Terrorist loving president to make things right in this country? I'd say, let's put a woman a with a dick on the job. I am for Hillary all the way.
- santarosa2, on 03/29/2008, -3/+0Who here isn't sick of all the Obama ***** sucking going on on Digg these days? Hey, you Obama fanboys, you can take your ***** fanboyism and shove it up your ass.. sick mother-***** sons of bitches!!! Suck hard *****!!! suck hard!
- HellDonut, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1So *****-sucking an elder lying bitch is supposed to be better, I guess?
- santarosa2, on 04/03/2008, -0/+0you don't have to suck ***** or *****.. you can just be neutral instead of acting as somebody else's lackie
- HellDonut, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1So *****-sucking an elder lying bitch is supposed to be better, I guess?
- elsagacious, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2Buried because it's by Peggy Noonan.
- Iconoclast25, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1At least the second submission on this Noonan column, but certainly well worth another digg to demonstrate my "appreciation" for the hildabitch.
- Neo2627, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1Not a Sen. Clinton fan; but she must want to be the 'first' woman President of the United States, simply because of the fact that she can say just like a woman named Monica! " I went 'down' in history!"
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