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- butterpat, on 11/20/2008, -15/+71Per person, the Canadian health care system costs half of what Americans spend on health care. In addition, Canadians fare better on nearly every health parameter, including a longer life expectancy.
- lokee73, on 11/20/2008, -4/+54Walk if off.
- pkulak, on 11/20/2008, -9/+51The reason medicare doesn't work is because if you're rich and healthy, you buy your own insurance from insurance companies that have low outlays because they only insure rich, healthy people. Everyone else goes to the government, who is stuck with all the people who actually need health care.
But whatever. There is no convincing here. Some people will just let the insurance industry feed them ***** and call it caviar as long as they want. Just keep thinking that government health insurance is the first step of the apocalypse while our standards of living plummet compared to the rest of the world.
And let's also keep in mind that we're not talking about government health care, but government heath insurance. If I see one more damn straw man set up between those two things, I swear I'll vomit. - nitrusoxyde, on 11/20/2008, -25/+64WSJ? Be negative about the Democratic Agenda? Bash it without providing anything other than anecdotal evidence without acknolwedging our failing health care system?
NEVER! - inactive, on 11/20/2008, -35/+72
Even if you escape the womb, were still turning you into a doggy biscuit !
'A government big enough to give you everything you want,
is big enough to take away everything you have. - MScrip, on 11/20/2008, -11/+46Come to think of it... I never knew what Bush's healthcare plan was.
- DTAL2009, on 11/20/2008, -54/+87By the time soetoro is done, the Great Depression will be remembered fondly as "the good old days."
- SammyJr, on 11/20/2008, -6/+34Bush's healthcare plan is "Don't get sick!!"
McCain's was "Go to Wal-mart!"
Any wonder the Republicans lost? - TheInfamousOne, on 11/20/2008, -8/+33@Stevan everywhere has horror stories. Talk to people here in the us about pre-existing conditions
- calypsoschnitzl, on 11/21/2008, -11/+35Good thing you mentioned taxes, cause I rather have my money go towards health care than BOMBS, and foreign INVASIONS.
- inactive, on 11/20/2008, -8/+32no kidding.
- erkokite, on 11/20/2008, -1/+24Just wait until you get in a car accident and have $60k in medical bills and you're only able to settle for $10k. Who's going to be the freeloader then? It happens often.
You are probably young and don't realize how expensive medical care can be and how frail the human body actually is.
People always whine about how their taxes are high and yet fail to realize that our taxes are fairly low in comparison to the rest of the world, and fail to see that down the road they may be glad that they have proper healthcare. It comes down to thinking in terms of the now (I want to pay less taxes!) instead of planning for later (Gee, maybe I won't be able to pay my medical bills all on my own).
Universal healthcare is not an ideal situation, but it beats having to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars (that most people don't have) in medical expenses. - SSPink, on 11/20/2008, -5/+28Really? I thought it was pretty well known. His plan was simple: get as much money into the hands of big insurance and big pharmaceutical companies as was humanly possible.
- mojonyc212, on 11/20/2008, -25/+46The Obama plan is a must because US healthcare system is only for rich guys. I know it's hard to admit that our paid taxes will serve this. But, honestly, this existing system is for me, unfair and has given rise to too many nonsense situations.
- uknowwhoibe, on 11/20/2008, -12/+32I'm not necessarily for letting the government decide terms on health care, but obviously, the 'free market' has some learning to do.
- rossnyc, on 11/20/2008, -16/+34American's have to worry about paying a doctor? Wow! Unbelievable!
(jk... I'm American...just saw Sicko the other day -- Amazing how all the other countries have good, free health care...people don't get turned down and kicked out of hospitals) - inactive, on 11/20/2008, -7/+25F/those of us who survive it . . . !
- lokee73, on 11/20/2008, -4/+22Quick poll:
How many of our Canadian and/or UK Digg members would trade your healthcare system with ours? - inactive, on 11/21/2008, -6/+23I love how some right wingers who claim to be Christians mantra is '***** THE POOR!' Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
- thallium205, on 11/20/2008, -22/+38It's not an endlessly expanding list of rights – the "right" to education, the "right" to health care, the "right" to food and housing. That's not freedom, that's dependency. Those aren't rights, those are the rations of slavery – hay and a barn for human cattle.
– Alexis De Tocquiville - omegared, on 11/20/2008, -10/+25Stevanoski, so what? That is one person, nor do you explain the whole story. How is the health care terrible? Could probably find thousands of cases in the USA where people could not afford the care they needed.
- Mexrocker, on 11/20/2008, -5/+20One thing I don't understand though, for those of you who are against universal health care, what happens when you need medical attention. Let's say it is one of those deals where you either need surgery or high cost medication... if there is universal health care, wouldn't you want the more inexpensive alternative?
I'm not too educated on the topic to have my own opinion yet so that is why I am asking. I don't like the government meddling too much in my life. I've seen Sicko (yes I know, propaganda) but if we can achieve even a fraction of what other countries get, isn't it worth it?
Also, I thought a loud vocal group on Digg was against corporate greed and such, it seems like with some comments that have been made in the past concerning this topic, the medical companies get a free pass, what is up with that? - haikuFU, on 11/21/2008, -3/+17Wanna reduce healthcare costs? Put caps on what hospitals can charge insurance companies. I got my bills for when we had our first kid, and there was ***** on there like this:
- $130 for 2 tylenol, several times a day for a week
- $200 for a box of kleenex
- $600 3 times a day for bandage changing stuff
This is just for my wife. This isn't including all of the ***** I don't understand on the bill for my son's NICU care. $150k worth of bills. The hospital even told us that if insurance wouldn't cover some of it to talk to them, and they'd reduce the price on the items to "non-insurance company rates". I realize that hospitals need money to stay in business, but putting down ***** prices for things charged to insurance is certainly not honest in any way. - reaper527, on 11/20/2008, -37/+51FTA:
"Either Senator Baucus and President-elect Obama are making promises that can't possibly be kept. Or they're not being honest about their plans for U.S. health care"
yup, pretty much. - br0ck, on 11/21/2008, -3/+16"anyone can go to an ER today and get service"
And the ER charges you for it. If you don't pay it goes to collections. If you don't pay that you lose your car and/or your house. HALF of all bankruptcies in the US are due to health care costs.
Also, is the emergency room going to give you any actual real care for free? How about a masectomy? Chemo? MRI? Drugs for ongoing pain? Psychological treatment? Routine checkups? - longwa, on 11/20/2008, -7/+20Insurance is always a subsidy, plain and simple. All insurance works by having the masses (the healthy) support the few (the sick). The larger the pool of healthy people, the less the plan can cost.
The reason traditional free market economics doesn't apply is that, unlike a standard supply demand product like bread or corn, it's very unlikely that I will just decide it's too expensive and stop buying it (until it reaches the point that I just can't afford it). The insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, doctors, etc. have realized that they can basically charge whatever they want and people will pay it because it's their lives at stake. - Autodidaddict, on 11/20/2008, -13/+26Digg sure is an untraditional echo chamber.
Try getting something from Fox News to the frontpage....yet I keep seeing WSJ op ed pieces....interesting....
The WSJ used to be a credible business paper. Now they are another Murdoch whore. Suck my balls Murdoch. Stop selling lies. - nitrusoxyde, on 11/20/2008, -6/+18You are a ***** idiot. Did you even read it?
- BrewBeau, on 11/21/2008, -1/+13You're confusing two seperate things. Canadians come here for specialized care, surgeries, and treatments because a lot of good doctors are here. That's completely different from healthcare coverage. If the US could make someone live forever but only the richest 10 people in the country could afford healthcare, then it's still a ***** system.
- habfan29, on 11/20/2008, -10/+22Huh, whenever I've gone to the hospital, I've never paid a cent... Where in Canada do you speak of?
- PuterPrsn, on 11/20/2008, -37/+48Love the "47 million" - of course, that includes all of the illegal aliens from a multiplicity of countries, not just citizens. And guess who gets to foot the bill ... again.
- vtnerd, on 11/20/2008, -11/+22Government's job is not to make life fair. Get an amendment passed that says you have a universal right to healthcare and then we'll talk. Until then, our government has no Constitutional authority to pursue this plan.
Of course, our government does many things that the Constitution says it cannot, but that's a different argument entirely. - omegared, on 11/20/2008, -6/+17Canada is still a free country, we have health care for everyone, not just the few that have the money that can afford it.
- xerigen, on 11/21/2008, -1/+11Because Democrats never do anything wrong :)
- evilesttoast, on 11/20/2008, -17/+27Have you seen our government lately? We cant handle our own economy, forget healthcare...
- HypocriteDigg, on 11/21/2008, -9/+19I WISH it was true universal healthcare. I HATE HATE HATE my health insurance provider. They do not cover anything! I am paying out the ass through my employer as well as paying for most of my medical bills!
***** neocon fascists! - crh3f, on 11/20/2008, -1/+11Hope nobody hits you with their car. It'll be important then.
- mojonyc212, on 11/20/2008, -3/+12You know that when you have money in the US, evthg is easy for you! I don't see a poor Canadian coming to the US to get surged. The healthcare and insurance are too expensive for poors. The universal system is a real problem in France for example because so many people exaggerated.
Practice makes perfect! Let the system run and let's see if Obama implements a real control on it!
If there is no control, then, the system will be like in France and it will be a real ***** for us! - lava, on 11/20/2008, -8/+17I would love to have Canadian health care. They seem to be doing pretty well up there. Also, we have more money than them.
- inactive, on 11/21/2008, -3/+12@vtnerd
Dumbass if we only did things prescribed in the Constitution we'd still be writing with quill pens about "quartering of soldiers in houses" (3rd Amendment) to name just one dead 18th century issue. The Constitution is not prescriptive i.e. you can only do what is written in it, it's preventative, i.e. it outlines certain things you CAN'T do and everything else is permitted. If you think about about an abstract document that acts as framework to run a whole society HAS to be written in a preventative and not a prescriptive fashion or we would still be living in 1781 land. Could a single document describe ALL functions in a complex society? No. And even it could that would allow no room for growth in the future. It can however describe certain worse case scenarios to avoid like violating Habeas Corpus, oops thanks Bush. Oh well the founding fathers TRIED at least to prevent worst case scenarious like "The President as Military King." :(
http://www.wepin.com/articles/afp/afp74.html
In short your post = epic fail.
Go back and re take high school civics and try again vtnerd. - joeyjj, on 11/21/2008, -8/+17Every Canadian I know (and I'm living in Montreal) seems to like their healthcare system and is baffled that healthcare is not considered a human right in the US. All of my experiences with the system here have been excellent.
- LiquidRAM, on 11/21/2008, -0/+9Canadian, and no, you couldn't pay me to trade systems. Service has always been good, there is no such thing as denied, or pre-existing.
In fact.. if you don't have coverage, all you need to do is just sign up and they will cover the expenses incurred from when you were not covered. That only comes up if your coverage expires when you move from one province to another, not that it matters now that the alberta system is completely free. - defwheezer, on 11/20/2008, -14/+23Universal health care plan- check!
Green energy plan- check!
Social Security plan- check!
Fixing the infrastructure plan- check!
Money to pay for it all- Duh! Sorry, we gave it all to Halliburton and Wall Street!
Obama is screwed before he even takes office thanks to the Bush Crime Family. - ironhide, on 11/20/2008, -7/+15The only hangover I've seen is from the right-wing crybabys.
- crh3f, on 11/21/2008, -5/+13“The immediate goal is to make sure there are more people on private insurance plans. I mean, people have access to health care in America. After all, you just go to an emergency room.” - President George W. Bush
Cause THAT'S a good plan. - floridiot2, on 11/20/2008, -1/+9Why yes, thank you. I will gladly pay for that stick to be surgically removed from your ass.
- oboshoe, on 11/20/2008, -7/+14Well one thing is for sure. If Obama is going to tackle this, he had better, and I do mean better get it right.
If he screws up the healthcare system, it'll doom the Democrats for a generation and his legacy will be "the black guy who screwed up healthcare"
EVERYBODY deals with heathcare. Its one thing to piss off a bunch of rich people by raising their taxes, but if his health plan isn't perfect, only one name will come to mind when people are grousing about their healthcare. - Shiftgood, on 11/20/2008, -10/+17nah, just making fun of the people above me.
- ozel01, on 11/21/2008, -1/+8My girlfriend's sister married a Canadian several years ago and moved to Canada with him. Their infant daughter became extremely ill one night, running a 103 degree fever. They rushed her to the emergency room for treatment. They finally got to see a doctor three days later. They didn't even see a doctor at the emergency room. Yep, that is quality government controlled health care for you. Somewhere along the line, people forgot the old adage "you get what you pay for." When it comes to the government that means paying double or triple to get the same level of service the private sector provides. A cut in costs means a corresponding cut in services provided.
- zip000, on 11/21/2008, -0/+7Well, I live in Georgia (the state not the country) so I'm guessing that any part of Canada is significantly colder than it is here.
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