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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -16/+72They didn't need to investigate it, they initiated it.
Bush knew who did it, so no point in investigating, right? - shootdashit, on 10/12/2007, -14/+38how many lies is this now that Bush has been publicly caught telling?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+30@DeflatorMouse
Since the White House has literally hundreds of people that work there... it would be impossible to know that something was 'imaginary' without an investigation.
Bush himself said: "If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is,..."
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/wilson.cia/ - Waiting2awake, on 10/12/2007, -12/+29 There is a saying that goes something like "You get the government you deserve.". This wouldn't be happening if Americans would have had the strength of character that they claim to have. This wouldn't be happening if instead of trying to mock and divide your friends, you listened to them. You guys wouldn't be a few steps away from complete open dictatorship, if you only acted like men and took a stand when it became obvious that they lied about the reasons for the Iraqi war.
Let me say this and be very clear - If Americans had 1/2 of the character their forefathers had none of this would have happened. Heck, even the war time Italians had the good sense to hang Musilini on a meat hook, Bush will simply walk away. The french had eneough charactor to behead M.A, Cheney, Rice, etc will walk along with Bush...
Never again preach about American bravery, or strength. What you may once had, has been bought by shiney trincets. Just make sure you tell your children that they live in a less free country because you were too busy watching American idol to give a rats ass about your country.
Sorry if that sounds anti-American, but how much more does it take before you finally stand up for yourselfs against these criminals assulting your way? - Groovemaster, on 10/12/2007, -17/+32"Why does the media keep treating them like they don't mean to be criminals? "
Because they control the (mainstream) media. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+26Who re-elected these Terrorists?!! Complete retards you Bush psychos are!!
Bush is a border-line retard corporate puppet. Never forget who supported this failure, don't let them distance themselves from him. Whining about Libs and Dems and Clinton and Kerry and gay sex, while offering nothing of substance - and most notably - no defense for the lying little sack of ***** from Texas they shackled us with!
America's enemy is the idiot who IGNORES that Bush lied to us about Iraq, IGNORES that Bush defends treason, IGNORES that Bush was asleep at the wheel on 9/11, IGNORES that Bush had already blundered our war effort in Iraq, IGNORES that Bush still tries to link Iraq and 911, IGNORES that Bush was going to run amok with our Constitution and still voted to re-elect this miserable failure.
The enemy from within has perpetuated this death and devastation. Don't forget it.
It is because of a bush voter that the country is in the atrocious position it is in today. - Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -11/+23Greater than the times they've been correct about events in Iraq, but less than the times Bush has mentioned food rather than policy while traveling abroad.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+22chris:
>a) The federal prosecutor (Patrick Fitzgerald) determined that no crime was committed
Ha ha. No, actually he brought five counts of perjury, obstruction of justice and false statements and has gone on record stating that this obstruction has prevented him from fulfilling his investigation.
>b) Plame worked at CIA headquarters for 5 YEARS - and notice that she refused to answer whether or not, by law, she was considered covert.
You must be watching Fox. Here's the actual quote: "I am here to say I was a covert officer of the Central Intelligence Agency," If you stop watching Fox and reading Republican tripe, you won't get body slammed like this on public forums. Additionally the director of the CIA stated that she was covert. You should get angry at Fox and the blogs for misinforming you like this allow me to make you look soooooo stupid. - bradtacs, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20She seeems pretty clear in this video here in saying she was in fact a covert agent at the time of the leak.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/16/putting-the-myth-to-rest-plame-was-covert/ - johnhummel, on 10/12/2007, -10/+21a) well, other than perjury and obstruction of justice
b) Did you not see the testimony? How many people need to say "She was covert"? I watched the procedings, and she was asked 3 times "As of this date, within the last 5 years, were you covert?" Her response each time: Yes, I was covert. I was undercover. My status was classified. How many more times did she have to say it? Did she need a big button on her shirt saying "Hey, you stupid ***** - I'm a ***** covert agent?" - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -15/+25This is standard operating procedure for this WH. Why does the media keep treating them like they don't mean to be criminals?
They mean to be criminals and get away with as much as they can get away with. If these were children, would we keep saying, "Now Georgie, I'm sure you're right that it must have been someone else put that M80 up the cat's butt..." ? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+19Apparently she was managing the proliferation analysis of Iran, funny irony, huh? By outing her the White House also blew the cover of the entire front company that the CIA had set up.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13smcavoy:
>of course there was no crime committed, if the president tells someone they can release the information its not a crime.
Not quite -- he may have the ability to declassify information, but there's a procedure for that. He didn't declassify it, at least in no sense of the term that anyone would understand. And before we declare that there wasn't any crime, let's find out if it falls under the section marked "treason." - phatt-matt, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12Wrong. They didn't investigate because Fitzgerald was assigned the task of investigating the matter. Also, Fitzgerald knew early in his investigation that the leaker was not from the Whitehouse. The leaker was Armitage in the Defense Department. Get your facts straight.
- bradtacs, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14For the love of god when will people stop with this Clinton nonsense, how many times does that arguement need to be debunked?
I swear to god it is like talking to a parrot;
SWKAWK but Clinton.. SKAWK serve at the *pleasure* of the president.. SKWAWK - geekee, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10"They didn't need to investigate it, they initiated it.
Bush knew who did it, so no point in investigating, right?
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Wrong. The initial leak came from Richard Armitage, who was against the war. There was no vendetta against Wilson. - Shivv, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Outside of any partisan bickering, the fact is that four people (that we know of) admitted to leaking Plame's name. Richard Armitage of the State Department, Karl Rove of the White House, Ari Fleischer (WH Press Secretary) and Scooter Libby of the Office of the Vice President. Libby, as we know, was convicted of 4 counts of obstruction, perjury, and lying to investigators. Fleischer testified in Libby's case for the prosecution under an immunity agreement.
That leaves Rove and Armitage. Fitzgerald actually has Armitage on tape telling Bob Woodward about Plame. Rove admitted to it in his GJ testimony. Thus, it is logical to say that the leak of Plame's name was not illegal. If it were, both Rove and Armitage would have had charges filed against them, and probably would have both been convicted. - CJWright, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@kd1s Educate thyself:
Bush lies: http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007495
Iraqi war: http://www.defenddemocracy.org/usr_doc/Iraq_Failure_of_Containment_2.pdf
Here's random example articles from 2003 & 2004 if you still don't get it: http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-01-25-1.html
http://www.defenddemocracy.org/research_topics/research_topics_show.htm?doc_id=155245&attrib_id=7511
And the stupid people you so disdain: http://jewishmediaresources.com/article/906/ - nypix, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15Libby's the fallguy, and will receive a presidential pardon when Bush is leaving.
Nothing like having a corrupt admin right under everyones nose and watching it happen and having nothing done about it.
It should sicken everyone. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6hoser:
>"though that designation was not specifically attached to Plame's name and did not describe her status as covert,"
She wasn't covert - she was just an office flunky at Langley.
So why did the CIA request the investigation then? - Bridgetown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4She wasn't covert.
- stevebee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Exactly. Plame was not "covert" no matter what she says. Thus, there could be no crime.
Period.
Since there was no crime, there should have been no investigation. No investigation, no thousand questions until some two people gave answers that disagreed.
The whole thing is a non-story. Majoring in the minors.
Typical liberal crap...fiddling while Rome burns.
We're in the midst of a historic clash of civilizations and the libs whine about Valerie Plame. - fungible, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8"So why did the CIA request the investigation then?"
"But she was an office flunky at Langley!"
See, this is the Republican MO. Just say something enough times and that makes it true. - stonewaljacksn, on 10/12/2007, -13/+17seeing these articles just greatly increases how much i despise the current administration. I want to become a high school history book author, just so I can make sure that the truth about these thugs is known forever.
- hoserjoe, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8@johnhummell:
"Did she need a big button on her shirt saying 'Hey, you stupid ***** - I'm a ***** covert agent?'"
I guess she did, because she sure was deluded about her status. She thought she was covert, but everybody else says she wasn't. Sounds like she's got mental problems, too - Waiting2awake, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11@Ark,
Actually your few brain cells have let you down yet again. I am actually right of centre in political thought - at least fiscally. The term "leftist" simply doesn't apply to me. That said some terms that do are freedom loving, and willing to call a spade a spade. You dolt! See, how easy that is?
Now, if you wish to be controlled, and have your thoughts given to you like your morning tea - that is your business. However when your idiocy affects others lives, when your mentally lazy attitude hurts others you should be prepared to deal with others that don't have those short comings.
Bush, and the right wing party of the US has been hijacked. There are no more true conservitives in the US and a lot of that has to do with the political process being dumbed down and distilled to sound bytes fed to those without the attention span to realize it...
You have done well my fine little trogladite - mwsherman, on 10/12/2007, -15/+19Sort of off topic, but Valerie Plame is a total hottie. That testimonial was the best thing on C-Span in years.
- rebotfc, on 10/12/2007, -12/+161) Yeah but Bill Clinton ...
2) ?????
3) Profit - david76, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10@cowjuice13
I'm going to guess you don't actually know what entrapment means, so I'll just let that slide.
If you're curious about whether or not a crime was committed? Yes. A crime was committed. You can't just intentionally out undercover CIA agents.
Ooh, here's a good reference for you. Maybe you saw Mission Impossible. You remember the NOC list? Well, Valerie Plame would have been on it. She had NOC status. - crichton101, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9So you're saying she and the Director of the CIA are liars? And that she lied under oath? If that's true then will the administration push for her to charged with perjury? Cause if they don't then they are validating that she infact WAS a covert agent. If she wasn't covert, then why did Libby feel compelled to lie to the federal grand jury, which was why he is now convicted for perjury? Why would Bush have said anything about wanting to investigate the leak if by your assertion that she wasn't covert, because then there was nothing leaked? Here's a reality check, she was a covert agent, undercover, what ever you want to call it. Her name was leaked for political reasons, and entire networks of spys and informants were revealed to the groups we were spying on, and many other covert agents lives were endangered because in outing her, they also had their cover blown.
- boilerplate, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12Oh, you mean that Bush was entitled to fire the prosecutors the same way Nixon was entitled to fire Archibald Cox during the Saturday Night Massacre. Right. Excellent point.
Evidentially, those who get a C in History are condemned to repeat it. - InfamousAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -13/+16Hot, smart, and hates the Bush admin with a passion. She rocks.
- consonance, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14This keeps getting stranger and stranger. I've GOT to know how they plan on blaming this on Clinton.
- ClosedCaption, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@ Geekee
Richard Armitage is part of PNAC so unless you're saying PNAC is against the war too unless this is opposite day you're wrong. Additionally, the white house said they had to rebuff Wilson and they did so by claiming his wife sent him which doesnt matter if she did or not. Is that a vendetta? I dont know. But did the white house put out the information? Yes. Rove said so himself
Lets remember that ENTIRE NETWORKS of our CIA agents were destroyed just so the White House can look good. Whether its "illegal" is secondary, we know it was wrong and it hurt our agents in the field. I guess that doesnt matter either, all that matters is that they walked the legal and illegal lines and lie about it on top of it all. Well...It depends where your definition of "lies" lie. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Anything posted from ThinkPropapgana is disinformation. Buried as inaccurate liberal indoctrination.
- CJWright, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yeah and like I said above, better to digg these links - AND READ THEM: http://digg.com/politics/Putting_big_media_to_shame
and
http://digg.com/world_news/Left_vs_Right_East_vs_West_Spartan_vs_Theban#c5737829
and
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/When_And_Why_Joseph_C_Wilson_IV_Outed_Valerie_Plame - klpowell, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10If you just watched TV you would think the Bush administration did nothing write but of course that is because the media ignores the good things and instead focuses on wild goose chases such as outing a so called covert agent who was no long covert at the time or firing US attorneys which he is in his constitutional authority to do. Why do we not see reports of the lowest unemployment rate in the last 10 years? why don't we see the thriving economy that has gone ignored? Why don't we see the national deficit being cut atleast in half each quarter? Why is it that being a conservative in this country makes you a hate monger and a racist? Because the liberal controlled media has told you mind mushed tv watchers that its true right?
- SLuM, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Everyone know who she was as many have said before. She wasn't covert when Robert Gates when he was the CIA director. I don't see any fault in this. The administration has done alot of stupid and bad *****, this isn't one of them.
- azAZ09, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If you watch the hearing according to Knodell's testimony --Everyone who new about the leak had a responsibility to report it according to white house regulations. When Knodell knew about it, it was his responsibility to initiate an internal investigation regardless of who reported to him--yet he did not. Just because Fitzgerald was investigating, he was not relieved of that responsibility.
- Waiting2awake, on 10/12/2007, -13/+15 Seriously, can you walk and chew spitting tobacci at the same time? You are not only a traitor to your country, but an insult to the human species.
- xGORDOx, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9Fitzgerald was the investigator.
Why would they investigate though? When you get past the anti-Bush propaganda, you realize that Joe Wilson leaked his own wifes name.
Case closed, the guy is an idiot and an opportunist.
http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/when-and-why-joseph-c-wilson-iv-outed-valerie-plame - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4xGORDOx:, I read through that entire webpage you pointed to and I saw not a single case of Wilson mentioning his wife's occupation until after the Novak column. The entire thing is a bunch of dates with rampant speculation that the author _thinks_ Wilson outed his wife to Democrats -- why? we don't know. A bunch of *****, in other words. Throw out a bunch of facts and insert a few non-facts in the middle to make them seem more credible. Nonsense.
- CJWright, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Better to digg this link: http://digg.com/politics/Putting_big_media_to_shame
and
http://digg.com/world_news/Left_vs_Right_East_vs_West_Spartan_vs_Theban#c5737829
and
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/When_And_Why_Joseph_C_Wilson_IV_Outed_Valerie_Plame - bradtacs, on 10/12/2007, -9/+11Not only that but she also clearly said she had been working specifically in non proliferation of WMD and had been out in the field within 5 years.
- willyd73, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Was Bush responsible for every ridiculous government program that has been created in the last fifty years? Is Bush responsible for the cost of welfare and our ridiculously bloated tax code? Was Bush responsible for taking our currency off the gold standard? Is it Bush's fault that 100 Senators and 435 Representatives get elected each and every time by promising more and more money to the people or the corporations that back them? I am sick of hearing about the deficit...it is a BS number. As a percentage of GNP we had a much higher deficit several other times in our history. It is just another meaningless political talking point just like this Valerie Plame "scandal". Her identity was compromised on at least two prior occasions. Once was when her classified dossier was inadvertently left unattended in the Cuban embassy. If the Russians and the Cubans already knew she was CIA, who gives a ***** what anyone said to Novak? Also, where was all this outrage when the New York Times was publishing the id numbers of suspected CIA planes and supposed CIA front companies? I guess that was just good journalism, but this is criminal. If you guys are so worried about security breaches, why don't you ask Sandy Berger why he was removing top secret documents from the State department? When is he going in front of Kennedy and company?
- ClosedCaption, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@ GL Jones
The reason the Fitzgerald didnt bring charges about the Covert status is because Scooter lied and threw "dirt in his eyes". OR dont you remember that at all. Also, if Plame lied I expect the Republicans to proclaim that she committed perjury. They wont because Hayden DIRECTOR OF THE CIA told them she was covert.
So, Fitzgerald, Plame, Hayden and the CIA are all lying because they hate Bush? How convient - VhaidraU, on 10/12/2007, -11/+13Key words, "to his knowledge". While I believe the administration is corrupt, thinkprogress.com is quite often wrong and one of the masters of spin.
- blackolive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+10Funny debate on the same topic: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/16/waxman-v-toensing/
The republican gets caught lying & keeps on lying. - Glynth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1IT WAS NOT A CRIME. This is undisputed fact. It's only disputed by people with no clue as to legal matters. The prosecutor for "Scooter" Libby could not convict him for anything but perjury and obstructing justice because he didn't commit a crime by "leaking" the name of a NON-CONVERT agent. This is fact and History will document it as such. There's no room for argument (unless you bring in some undiscovered detail but I highly doubt you've got something that hasn't been blown to smithereens a thousand times already by the finest legal minds in the country!).
- klpowell, on 10/12/2007, -11/+12Did you miss the part where it was determined she was not a covert agent and thus her identity could not be leaked? She was a covert agent, but had returned from the field. You are not a covert agent if you are working at langley. Or did you miss the part where Armitage and that he has admitted that but he was not the focal point of the witch hunt? And @david76 your not a NOC if you work at langley it would defeat the purpose of being a NOC if you were working at the CIA's headquarters. But, i forgot looking at facts doesnt tmatter on digg
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