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- Seng, on 10/10/2007, -16/+34As a native of Iowa, and one that voted for Harkin in the past, I am extremely embarrassed by his comments on the senate floor regarding Rush Limbaugh.
Does he seriously try to push his liberal agenda trying to smear Rush based on anything heard with his own two ears - Rush so clearly told the story of the ONE "soldier" that dropped out of boot camp, then told lie upon lie, mis-stating his combat experience, and ultimately ended up with a jail sentence over it. How he dare turn that around and accuse someone of "being on drugs" again, I will not know. Perhaps Iowa's dear Senator Harkin has been toking on his peace pipe a little too much in the last few years. Senility getting to you in your advanced years, Tommy Boy? - smaragd, on 10/10/2007, -17/+34Tom Harkin hates the troops? That's some pretty intense imagination you've got.
Tom Harkin -- or, I should say, LIEUTENANT Tom Harkin -- served in the Navy from 1962 to 1967, and then went into the Naval Reserve.
Compare that against Rush Limbaugh's military record... Oh yeah, Rush is the guy who avoided serving in Vietnam because of a pimple on his fat ass.
In the future you might want to check your facts before you go spouting off and make an idiot of yourself. - Petromyzon, on 10/10/2007, -7/+23So when do they waste tax money condemning ABC about their phony soldier report? You know, the one that talked about the same phony soldier Rush was calling out but only days before.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+19BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
RUSH ARCHIVE: It's not possible intellectually to follow these people.
CALLER: No, it's not. And what's really funny is they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and spout to the media.
RUSH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER: The phony soldiers. If you talk to any real soldier and they're proud to serve, they want to be over in Iraq, they understand their sacrifice and they're willing to sacrifice for the country.
RUSH: They joined to be in Iraq.
RUSH: It's frustrating and maddening, and why they must be kept in the minority. I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much.
Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth. Now, he was a "corporal." I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse MacBeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart; it wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse MacBeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth describes the horrors this way: "We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque."
Now, recently, Jesse MacBeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse MacBeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse MacBeth isn't an Army Ranger, never was. He isn't a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven't even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven't heard much about it. This doesn't fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don't look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse MacBeth's lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can't find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth.
BREAK TRANSCRIPT - bmalachuk, on 10/10/2007, -12/+28one needs to be on drugs to accept anything Harkin says as fact.
- Favre4Favre, on 10/10/2007, -27/+41Maybe Harkin was having flash backs to his days as a vietnam fighter pilot......
oh yea, thats right he lied about that as well. - JackTY, on 10/10/2007, -4/+17The usual slimeboat tactic: If you can't beat 'em, lie about 'em.
- Soulhuntre, on 10/10/2007, -10/+23Of course Rush didn't say anything of the typoe... so the good Senator looks liek a bigger idiot than usual.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092807 ... - pintomp3, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14they love them to death.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -13/+24"Democrats hate the troops"
What an unbelievably stupid thing to post. - Swarms, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13Why is Limbaugh the topic of any discussion on the senate floor? What position does Rush hold in our government? Glad all the big problems have been fixed...
- JackTY, on 10/10/2007, -8/+17And of course the fact that Limbaugh shirked service in the Viet Nam era with a phony 4-F classification has no bearing on his equally cowardly attacks on veterans of the Iraq war who happen to disagree with his, amoral and cynical agenda. Limbaugh wouldn't break sweat in the service of his country, and any purported veteran who'd stand for his lies is the biggest phony of them all.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -22/+30OK. This is my new favorite moment on the Senate Floor this year.
- Seng, on 10/10/2007, -7/+15Why dig this down? He got caught in multiple lies during the 82 campaign!
- Neiby, on 10/19/2007, -7/+15I am definitely not a fan of Rush Limbaugh, but his comment was taken out of context and made into something it wasn't. It makes perfect sense in context and had nothing to do with what the media is reporting it to be.
I can't believe I'm coming to Rush's defense, but if people are going to be attacked, I'd rather it be for valid reasons. I hate it when people take quotes out of context and twist them for political gain, and that's true no matter who is doing it. - ericdano, on 10/10/2007, -7/+13Amazing, that something taken out of context is made into something completely different.
- Barbrady, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Name the lies? Okay, he claimed to be he spent a year in Vietnam flying F-4's and F-8's on combat air patrols. He was actually stationed in Japan and did nothing more than test fly recently repaired aircraft. It wasn't until later when he was stationed in Cuba that he flew F-4's and F-8's. Sure sounds like he;s making things up to me. I know plenty about the guy, I lived in Iowa for 31 years and he's no straight shooter with the facts.
- terminal157, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I'm a libertarian, so I think both the left AND right are morons, but the neo-cons are systematically dismantling the constitution and I'd call that the bigger threat to the country. Really, read it sometime and see for yourself. Checks and balances are good for you, the rule of law is your friend.
- JackTY, on 10/10/2007, -5/+11Just more of the usual Slime Boat smear tactics. If you can't beat 'em, lie about 'em.
- rwvalentine, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6all this from a guy who lied about his service.
the democratic way. - hipnerd, on 10/10/2007, -4/+10Hate to comment hijaak, but a lot of people seem to be confused as to what Rush said. Allow me to clarify (I apologize for the length, but reprinting the transcript is the only way some people will listen):
LIMBAUGH: Another Mike, this one in Olympia, Washington. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER 2: Hi Rush, thanks for taking my call.
LIMBAUGH: You bet.
CALLER 2: I have a retort to Mike in Chicago, because I am a serving American military, in the Army. I've been serving for 14 years, very proudly.
LIMBAUGH: Thank you, sir.
CALLER 2: And, you know, I'm one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I'm proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, if we pull -- what these people don't understand is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is about impossible because of all the stuff that's over there, it'd take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse, and we'd have to go right back over there within a year or so. And --
LIMBAUGH: There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. They can't even -- if -- the next guy that calls here, I'm gonna ask him: Why should we pull -- what is the imperative for pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out? They can't -- I don't think they have an answer for that other than, "Well, we just gotta bring the troops home."
CALLER 2: Yeah, and, you know what --
LIMBAUGH: "Save the -- keep the troops safe" or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined --
CALLER 2: A lot of them -- the new kids, yeah.
LIMBAUGH: Well, you know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or somewhere.
CALLER 2: Exactly, sir.
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Rush was not talking about a specific case where a man was collecting benefits without having served. That's the story he started selling the day after. Rush attacked the patriotism of any man in uniform who dares to disagree with him. Defend that if you want to, but don't lie to me and pretend he didn't say it. - thefirstenemy, on 10/10/2007, -9/+15They hate them so much they want to force them to come home and be safe with their families.
- terminal157, on 10/11/2007, -5/+11If it was someone else I'd agree, but Rush is a lying hypocrite and deserves every snide comment about his drug problem that he gets.
- Fordi, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9You've got to be kidding me. So, a number of *actual soldiers* condemn the strategy in Iraq, a *Veteran* backs him up, and you support the *draft dodger* that calls them all liars.
I didn't know stupid even *came* in that flavor. - mattsw84, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6You people have wasted a disgusting amount of brain power and time bitching about Rush on the internet and it has accomplished nothing.
- mrkmrk, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9Yeah. A guy who physically mocks Michael J. Fox and accuses him of faking his symptoms to advance the liberal ideology doesn't deserve any sort of protection. He's an ignorant, stupid, hate-spewing *****-head.
- gryphonauto, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9Love Rush or hate him, common sense should is that it doesn't make sense coming from Rush; I would think anyone with a little intelligence would do a small amount of research so they can either [1] not make themselves look like a douche when they don't check the facts or [2] check the facts and if there is any credibility to the facts they'd be able to make stronger better informed "speeches." Rush Limbaugh has been around for what is it 19? 20 years? Anyway, since when has Rush said anything remotely similar to this?
Republicans come and go but Rush has always been there, I'd be careful when attacking him. - Ajajadude, on 10/10/2007, -5/+10If Democrats hate the troops, then tell me, what do Republicans think of them?
- jameshoban, on 10/10/2007, -24/+29Harkin's Ad hominem attack makes it clear his argument lacks any substance. Rush had a drug problem. It's disgusting to use that fact in such a shameful smear.
- Gothvanhelsing, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Okay now here is where we start to tare your comment down piece by piece
first point
The fact is that he was stationed in Japan, and did indeed fly reconnaissance over Vietnam.
Okay Very true but Harkin knew what he flew and when. Goldwater A real man was the one to call him out on it. That's when his story changed.
I know every place I served when I was in and know when i was defending freedom, and when we were training to defend freedom, or supporting others who were actively defending freedom.
your next point
But, like you said yourself, you forgot. If you want to niggle over which particular jet it was, you'd better be prepared to niggle over irrelevant trivia about Republican claims, too.
I will be more then happy to call any republican who lies about military service a scumbag too. No matter how small the details are... within reason. Telling a story to get elected saying I saw combat, Then when called on it saying I saw combat in this other place, then after that doesn't work saying I never really saw combat, is well beyond reason.
Last point
Harkin's military service stands up against pill-head Limbaugh's military record ANY day. I love how you Rethuglicans don't want to talk about Limbaugh's service.
It would if he told the truth but when you feel you have to lie to people then you by your own word of mouth are saying "I don't feel any honor towards the service I was willing to do for my country". There is no better expression of freedom then the truth. As far as I know Limbaugh has never lied about flying combat missions in a time of war. But interesting point will you put Harkin's service up against lets say Bob Hope's? Bob Hope never served a day in the military so does that make Harken a better person? - atb12688, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6The question i would like to ask is rather than say something blatantly false about someone why not actually say something useful. This does not serve his constituents and if i were them, i would certainly grill him for that. Political commentators have close to no place on the floors of either house of congress, especially when the language about the commentator in question is completely false.
- JackTY, on 10/10/2007, -7/+12Dude, if you rightist idiots actually listened to Limbaugh instead of worshiping his every word with slack jaws and lolling tongues, you'd know that the sorry draft-dodging 4-F coward actually *did* say exactly what Harkin imputes to him. Limbaugh's the lowest of the low: Another cowardly chickenhawk who was afraid to fight when it was his turn and doesn't hesitate to slander those who aren't afraid to do so now. It's about time reality caught up to his yellow hindquarters.
- nkasoff, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Senator Harkin is an a-hole. Thanks for reminding us.
Nick Kasoff http://www.thugreport.com - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6If a republican said this, the Digg bitches would be red faced, pounding so hard at hteir keyboards that their fingers started to ache saying how insensitive the guy was.
- pintomp3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4they seemed to find time to condemn moveon.org.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6How cool would it be if our congressmen/women and senators actually did their jobs and ended the war as they promised to do when elected. Jesus Christ, nobody gives two ***** about Rush Limbaugh and his damn statements... YOU ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS! DO YOUR FREAKING JOB!
- Veretax, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3No go back and reread the transcript. Rush wasn't calling that CALLER phony, he was anticipating and reading between the lines of what the guy was saying in order to bring emphasis to what he thought the guy was saying. The guy then repeated the exact same phrase "Phony soldiers" in his response to the comment, its obvious he's not talking about the caller, but about the people the caller is supposedly referencing. Man has reading critically become a lost art form on Digg?
- Fordi, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4It means that there's more and more evidence that douchebags like Limbaugh and O'Reilly have severe mental problems, and it doesn't even seem like their hiding their self-destruction. The quip about universal healthcare was added for irony, I assume. The success thereof is questionable.
- afruff23, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Government bureaucracy FTW!!
Seriously, if we followed the Constitution, then Congress would focus on the more important issues and we wouldn't need as much revenue. - fsjonsey, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Remember Digg, Free speech only applies to Liberals.
- scoob20, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Media matters is clearly without doubt a pathetic leftwing propaganda machine that puts forth distortions and lies for a living.If you believe the garbage that matters puts out, then you're essentially a tool.
- Anachronus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Another high point in congressional history. No wonder they have managed to get a lower approval rating than even Bush! Kudos for the hard work ladies and gentlemen.
As the old saying goes...THROW THE BUMS OUT! - tehpwnrate, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5You're kidding, right? You're seriously going to argue that the Diggers above were childish, while the ridiculously puerile comment by Harkins isn't? Ironically, he's a phony soldier himself and he took Limbaugh's quote out of context.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7All I see is the Dems getting caught using fake soldiers to garner dissent for the war and when they got caught, did they own up to it? Hell no... They smeared the person(s) who brought their lie to light with Ad-Hominem personal attacks. Way to go, there, douche.
Dishonesty FTW - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4?
- GiggleStick, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yeah, don't you know you should never consider the reputation or validity of a source of an opinion.
- senatebuddy, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Why the hell are the Senate and Congress so concerned with what these polarized media groups are saying? Who gives a ***** STOP DODGING THE ISSUES
- joeymumbles, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Good to know generation Y is as knee-jerk as the last.
Context - it's the other white meat. - Parker307, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3The center has moved right. Domocrats can be mean too now.
- GiggleStick, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3He was specifically talking about Jesse Macbeth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth He had just finished talking about him, a Phony soldier, in that he claimed to have been in Iraq and been a ranger and witnessed atrocities, but it was all false. He washed out of boot camp. Rush Limbaugh and the Caller were discussing these types of cases, and why the Left gloms onto these kind of people while ignoring the majority of soldiers who aren't clamoring about atrocities. I know this because I listened to the actual show as it was happening. Have you read the full transcript of the show? That's the context. You've been duped by the same people that were duped by Jesse MacBeth!
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