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VIDEO: CNN Debunks Claim That Obama Attended Radical ‘Madrassa’
thinkprogress.org — Fox News and other conservative outlets have been playing up a report that Barack Obama attended an Islamic madrassa school in Indonesia as a boy. CNN sent a correspondent to the school and found the claims were completely untrue.
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- kjzz12, on 10/12/2007, -7/+62I'm glad this got cleared up on a mainstream network, but anyone whose read Dreams From My Father knows that he wasn't raised with any sort of Muslim beliefs.
- eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -17/+87I don't think viewers of Fox News read, generally, so it's nice to see the pretty moving pictures clear it up.
- bigdaddyk, on 10/12/2007, -35/+5You actually think that Obama wrote that?
- coldstatue, on 10/12/2007, -42/+5No, it was written by Osama Hussein Blackman.
- daxsymbiont, on 10/12/2007, -11/+26the racism of the right wing, never fails to knock the door every day of the 00s.
- jamessavik, on 10/12/2007, -31/+3Oh BS- he's gotta be a jihadi or a communist or something. He's too good to be true.
If you think George W. Bush is a puppet, Obama is going to walk funny because Howard Dean has his whole arm up his ass. - nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -21/+121st: You don't cite a politician's book for relevant information on their life . . . that's like saying "if you read Bill O'Reily's book you would know he's not a womanizer." That's retarded.
2nd: From a conservative strategist from Fox's "The Big Story:"
"John, the last time I checked, there was still a freedom of religion in this country. And this is either a despicable act by an absolutely ruthless Clinton political machine. We know that they are capable of doing this. But it wasn't directly linked to Hillary Clinton. If it wasn't her, then certainly she should disavow it because I think we have spent an awful lot of time in this country trying to tamp down anti-religious sentiments."
They're not using this to attack Obama . . . they're using it to attack Hillary. Just FYI. - broomett, on 10/12/2007, -25/+6eplawless is the reason why Fox DESTROYS the other networks. Becuaes you are so cluless as to what mainstream actually is.
Love how CNN's sources must be right. Gotcha. So sad. All of you. - ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -18/+5I can confirm this to be true, as I didn't see Obama in any of the classes at any of the madrassa schools. um.... Death to America! /s
- TheCash, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15"Commenting on this report today, Wolf Blitzer said that CNN had done “what any serious news organization is supposed to do in this kind of a situation”: actually investigate and learn the facts"
Hey Wolf, remember Memo-gate? Yeah... you reported on that one too without checking the facts first.
As I recall, it was a bunch of bloggers that debunked that pile of bullcr*p dug up by a 'serious news organization' and made public before actually investigating or learning any facts. I'm pretty sure I can find some video clips of Wolfee personally trash talking said bloggers and blogging in general, as they aren't real journalists and blogging isn't a valid form of journalism.
Kind of ironic, given the forum with which we now discuss this topic on, isn't it? People who live in glass houses Wolfee... - HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -17/+12So, a false claim gets made about Obama and the networks jump on getting the truth out.
A false claim was made about Bush (forged documents) and the bloggers had to go out and find the truth.
There is a story in there, see if you can find it. - nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -14/+4@TheCash
I also found it interesting that at the end of the piece he called it "an excellent, excellent report." Honestly, if the place were a crazy madrassa, you wouldn't find out by asking (in English) the guy who runs the place "some people have called your school a radical madrassa. Is this true?" An excellent report would have put a hidden camera on one of those kids. At least interview the KIDS to find out what they are being taught. Don't just take the head administrator's word for it. Honestly, that had about ZERO news value. I highly doubt that place is anything but a calm, peaceful, public school, but that "excellent, excellent report" was worthless and proved nothing. - Xageroth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Everyone seems to be missing the most critical point...
He was 6 years old and went to that school for 2 years.
Even in the worse case scenario you would have to be an idiot to think some complex view of the world he learned before he even understood simple math is having a huge impact on the way he thinks today. I can't even remember the names of my friends from that age. If you asked me anything about the world before I was 13, I would tell you almost verbatim what my parents would tell you. It's after that point where you start to come to your own conclusions. So 6 years old?? The news media needs to lay off the crank. - HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4@ Xageroth -
According to the liberal child psychologists in the USA those are the most important and influential years in a child's development. They are easy to manipulate and susceptible to influence.
As to sending a reporter to talk to the head of the school... When the press wants information on something the Bush administration is doing do they go to Bush or do they go after lower ranking staffers? Asking the head of the school is a waste of time. they should have used some sort of spy-cam like the way investigative reporters do when they cover a story about a scam.
This is an example of shoddy reporting. Investigative reporting is done on the sly, not by announcing what you are looking for and then asking the person in charge if it is there... - deesnutz, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Barack Obama should sue Fox News for deliberate defamation of character and slander. Fox News when out of their way multiple times to attack Obama's character. They then went as far as to try to blame this on Hillary Clinton.
How pathetic and desperate could Fox News really be? It amazes me that they get away with this *****. I'm not a huge fan of CNN, but CNN made Fox News look worst than the National Enquirer. And all that CNN did was send a reporter to the actual school and do some research. Fox News, IMHO is a joke for a news channel. Unfortunately, simple minded people, who hold the majority in this country, watch this *****.
Now, can the world understand how George W. Bush was elected not once but twice into office? That's what pisses off the other half of America so much. That these simple minded people have the majority and elected a more than obivious idiot as president and keep a ridiculous news channel still in business.
Let's see how really "fair and balanced" that Fox "Joke" News truly is and see if they will report their obvious slanderous mistake. I doubt it. I won't be holding my breath on this any time soon.
It's more like the Hoax News Channel ...
http://www.democratgiftshop.com/cgi-bin/store/store.cgi/571511948/liberal_shop/806717 - omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12"Love how CNN's sources must be right."
Yeah, because videotape of the actual school is so biased, right? - Xageroth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@HTMKSteve,
"according to the liberal child psychologists ..."
Wouldn't be the first time I disagreed with psychologists. I agree that when you are young, when you are a child, you are very malleable and that sort of sets the platform for your later growth. I was talking about 2 years tho. At the age of 6. Aside from being sexually abused or something, I don't really see what could possibly happen in those 2 years that would outweigh the rest of your childhood.
"When the press wants information on something the Bush administration is doing do they go to Bush or do they go after lower ranking staffers?"
Both actually. Why they still go to Bush when he clearly has no respect for the press and never cares to give a straight answer on anything is beyond me however.
"Investigative reporting is done on the sly..."
I think the point was that there's nothing to investigate. Even a cursory glance at the school shows that it's typical.
- Smooph, on 10/12/2007, -2/+72I hope we see more of the media debunking these right-wing and/or left-wing radical claims. No matter the candidate. The 2008 election is going to be an extremely important one. We need to vote based on facts not fear or emotions.
I issue a challenge to all diggers!
1. Every candidate has written a book and has a website/blog. Read them.
2. Look at the actual voting records. http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/
3. Be a skeptic. Verify truthfulness and sources on all claims. Whether they are coming from the candidates, supporter or detractors.
4. Don't vote the party line. Vote for the candidate that shares your core values and whom you believe can be effective in defending or implementing them.
5. VOTE!!!- cablefish, on 10/12/2007, -34/+6because all diggers are obviously american...
- Atlantics, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Whoa anybody else notice how many votes were missed? The top 10 people who missed votes are all Republican.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/vote-missers/ - widman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"We need to vote based on facts not fear or emotions." Good luck with that...
- coldstatue, on 10/12/2007, -11/+155.VOTE!!!
Democrat, that is.
It's the only viable choice we have at this point. - jamessavik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4That would imply work and might endanger our biases, predjudices and ill concieved ideas.
- nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4"Whoa anybody else notice how many votes were missed? The top 10 people who missed votes are all Republican."
That's because they WERE the ruling party . . . you don't need to vote when you know the outcome is already a lock. The minority party always has to spend more time in the building. - Arainach, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1nixon - those numbers are for the CURRENT Congress, where they're the minority.
- ishmael5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Smooph
if i could give your comment multiple diggs, i would, we certainly need voters to be aware of what/who they're voting for! - armyvet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I am so sick of the expression, "the election of 20** is so very important. So make sure you vote." EVERY election is important. To say "the election of 20** is so very important," is like interviewing a football player right before the championship game and it goes something like this, "Yeah, well you know, this is an important game. We've just got to go out there and give it our all. We got to work as a team. Everybody has to do their part."
No? really? Hello diggiots. Of course you have to vote.
BTW, the website to go to for voting records is NOT anything from the biased Washington Post or even ontheissues.org. The BEST website to go to is http://www.vote-smart.org. Bookmark it, use the site, read the site, study the site, BE the site, BE the vote. (sorry, a little salute to Caddyshack).
- biotch, on 10/12/2007, -13/+7Fox"News" 's "HUGE" lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xfUD8R3PB4- devindotcom, on 10/12/2007, -4/+36I "don"'t "UNDERSTAND" what "YOU"'re saying because "you" used "TOO" many"QUOTATION MARKS"
- zlintux, on 10/12/2007, -6/+33Incorrect description for the digg. He DID go to an Islamic school/madrassa (madrassa means school) in Indonesia as a boy for two years. He himself is the source of this information.
However, the school is by no means radical, it was for two years when he was aged 8 (give or take). Neither he nor his family particularly wanted him there, but they couldn't afford private schooling.
It's all a non-issue. It has absolutely nothing to do with his political career, integrity or ideology.
Says something about Fox News. They run things equating an Islamic school with extremism, while CNN runs a piece using first-hand facts portraying an undeniable truth. CNN probably wouldn't have even touched the topic if other news outlets hadn't portrayed their misinformation.
I guess, as Stephen Colbert put it, reality has a clear liberal bias.- axiomata, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Madrassa means school in Arabic. Indonesia may be Islamic but it is not Arabic. The deputy head master supposedly "bristled" at the thought that the school was described as a madrassa. Therefore I think describing an Indonesian school as a madrassa has a specific connotation over there as far as the role that religion plays in the education and it doesn't appear that Obama's school falls into that category.
- MrSpontaneous, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12what makes the school "islamic"? They had classes on christianity for the handful of christian students.
- dragonvpm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2To add to what a previous commentor said, apparently, within the context of the situation, a madrassa is more equivalent to a college/graduate school, not a grade school.
It may mean "school" in arabic, but that's not how it's used in Indonesia. So I think it would be like someone calling the Pentagon a "campus" and implying that it's a school based on the questionable application of the word. - nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"They run things equating an Islamic school with extremism, while CNN runs a piece using first-hand facts portraying an undeniable truth. CNN probably wouldn't have even touched the topic if other news outlets hadn't portrayed their misinformation."
Okay, when Fox first ran the story on "Fox and Friends" (which is no more news than Jerry Springer) they said:
"The big question is was [wahhabism] on the curriculum back then? Probably not, but it was a madrassa"
They DO give him and the school the benefit of the doubt. They just get caught up in the word "madrassa" which, I have to admit, has gotten a lot of bad press lately from EVERYONE. Madrassa just means "school", rabbi just means "teacher", and Allah just means "God." - HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1This was almost 40 years ago! Schools can change in 40 years.
- amightywind, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2@zlintux
"It's all a non-issue. It has absolutely nothing to do with his political career, integrity or ideology."
If this is true what hasn't BHO been more forthright about his past? Someone in his life (father? stepfather?) cared enough to give him a Muslim name and send him to a Muslim madrassa. Who can say he never attended a terror camp? Does Obama really reject Islam? Why did he become a Christian.
- appleann1, on 10/12/2007, -24/+5 This has nothing to do with the school, it has to do with the fact that Hilary's camp released the story, and they'll be releasing a lot more. Common sense, he's her biggest threat.
Republicans haven't anything to gain yet, cripes, there hasn't even been a primary.
http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/iblog/C168863457/E20070122192850/- TheKMan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Smear the top two democratic candidates at once? I'd say republicans would have something to gain.
- ryanissuper, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27*****.
Obama released this information himself. Then a bunch of neotards and Fox News latched onto it because they knew their knuckle-dragging base would eat it up like pudding.
- rcran, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2Glad to here this got cleared up.
- rcran, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11hear,
- datcrazydj, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Ay! Don't hate on CNN. They report good news.
The other day I learned that Fidel Castro has an artificial anus. Now THAT is quality news you'll only read on CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/01/15/castro.condition/index.html- Ndiggnation, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1Wrong reply, please digg down..
- BOOFMAN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1actaully thats been reported on Michael Savage's radio program and hundreds of other news outlets.
- ohLook, on 10/12/2007, -21/+7Wow, CNN sent a correspondent all the way to Indonesia to debunk a rumor about a democratic candidate? How could Fox News possibly think there's any bias out there? Someone should check and see how many times CNN or MSNBC have gone that far to disprove some stupid piece of information that's floating around about Bush. I'll give you a hint, it starts with ZERO.
I don't really like Bush, but come on guys.- ryanissuper, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11I don't think you understand how news works. Most real news organizations have correspondents. These correspondents can be in all sorts of crazy places, even Indonesia. Then, when something newsworthy happens, the correspondent is already there and they don't have to send anyone.
- Ndiggnation, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Who ran the story in the first place?
So what if he did attend a "madrassa" anyways? As stated above, it simply means school. We've had basically, with the exception of Kennedy, nothing but WASPS in the White House throughout our history. As we become more diverse (no, that's not a dirty word), our government should reflect that. Hell, we've never even had a woman in at this point, and as far as we've gotten from the "norm" is a rich Irish Catholic.
Now, I'm not saying that we should elect someone based on race or creed, but even if Obama is a raving Muslim, what does it matter? He reportedly is not, unless you believe he's using that whole "deception during jihad" tact. If he has the interests of America at heart, who cares what his background is?
Sadly, to most of the American public, it does matter. They will see black and supposedly Muslim before anything else. Then again, the Presidential elections really aren't about issues anymore, just a popularity contest. See President #43...and Obama is a pretty popular man.
It's more likely than ever, with the 2008 election, that history will be made...
BTW, I'm from Illinois and voted for Obama. - Ndiggnation, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I guess the point that post of mine is that being American and being Muslim are not mutually exclusive. I will say that I am agnostic, and not a big fan of religion in general, does that make me un-American?
- ohLook, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3@ryanissuper
Take away the fact that they didn't really 'send' a person to Indonesia, my point still exists. CNN HQ actually gave this 'mission' if you will to a reporter to do a report on a rumor. I don't see any effort like that for the republicans unless it's something they did wrong of course. - jamessavik, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5>>So what if he did attend a "madrassa" anyways?
You young punks don't have any experience with religious fanatics. Ask your grandfathers about the Japanese. - armyvet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Ndiggnation
There have been 11 presidents that do not meet the "WASP" moniker you have placed them with. Eleven, one-fourth of our presidents have not been WASPs. They include Unitarians, Deists, Catholic, and not affiliated.
Now, I got my information from wikipedia. I don't particularly care for wikipedia, but it's good for a quick glance. I'd rather get information from more thoroughly trustworthy sites. - dggeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@ohLook
Yeah, you're right. The truth is a waste of time. Fox has it right with their attitude of "reporting" whatever pops into their head when they hear a rumor.
- Dolomite, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3Damage Control? Cover up?
- musicmantrs, on 10/12/2007, -15/+62 days ago CNN was a right-wing news org. for the Obama/Osama (you refused to believe people make mistakes) and now they are gods. GG
- ryanissuper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Who are you talking to?
- chickentonight, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2lol, good call.
- reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Umm who's saying they are "gods"? They did a good job at finding out the actual info on the school.
You know, what actual news networks are supposed to do. - Swift2, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4I'd be very happy to see CNN or any other news network report on the truth -- whether it helps or hurts the candidates I like. If we lose that, we lose the republic entirely, and replace it with Fox and Friends with Steve Doocy.
This is how the noise machine has worked for about 20 years: in this case, Obama got a few days of unobstructed good press, because the right was disorganized after getting their asses handed to them. But the opposition research started, first in a trickle: Obama sounds like Osama. Heh-heh. Oh, and his middle name is "Hussein," which is the equivalent of "Joe." So that created the template. They read the book, and found out about the school in Indonesia. Hey, he went to school with Muslims, this guy named Hussein. So Insight magazine, owned by the Washington Times, owned by the wacko religious cultist Sun Myung Moon, who has lost billions in the rag over 20 years, publishes the story about the "madrassa." It may mean, literally school, but the meaning is clear: it's a school that exists to turn out fanatics. They were set up by the Saudi Wahabis and by Pakistan (our friends, right?). So the intent was clear: to start a myth, like the Swift Boaters. Like "flip-flop," like all the other BS campaigns they've run over the years. The idea was, make this crazy stuff stick, so that people who don't follow politics will think something vaguely anti-American when they see Obama.
It used to be that one of the things the media did was look at the commercials from each candidate, and figure out if the charge was true, untrue, or somewhere in between. They had given up their role. More OJ, more shark attacks, less facts. At least once, one network said, no, we investigated that, and it's not true at all.
The Washington Times, Insight, and FOX should apologize, but they won't. They're figuring out the next lie to tell.
- thanksgiving, on 10/12/2007, -19/+898% of conservatives are racists, doesn't surprise me at all.
- reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3Bigots would be a better term.
- dagobah77, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6And you get your statistics from where? The far-right doesn't account for all conservatives.
- axiomata, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7source?
- dasluvaluva, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Wow, you're much worse than any conservative I've ever met. Especially in the ignorance department for making such a sweeping (and false) accusation.
- reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I think this statement would be more accurate:
Most racists are conservatives.
Source: http://www.myass.com - dagobah77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Most communists are liberal. Does that make it right to judge all liberals based on them?
- jamessavik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6>>98% of conservatives are racists, doesn't surprise me at all.
100% of people who believe in generalizations are simpletons. - tehmoth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4actually most communists are not liberal, liberalism is too bourgeois for them. American Liberalism wouldn't even be considered left-wing outside of the US.
- amightywind, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3@thanksgiving
"98% of conservatives are racists, doesn't surprise me at all."
I prefer to think of myself as a vigilant guardian of high office. No ragheads in the Whitehouse!
- chaimpot0k, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11That's right, ***** off Fox News.
- reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13Fox News makes me sick. Anyone who watches it should be ashamed.
- Ndiggnation, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4I watch it, and I hate Fox News. :) Just have to know the enemy, you know?
- grafholic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2okay so media reports something incorrect in an attempt to cast some negative "facts" about a political candidate, but the real problem here is the tie between religion and politics in the US politics. so what if someone's practicing Muslim, and so what if one attended a school of such and such religious focus, and i get very frustrated to see a comment such as "One Fox News caller questioned whether Obama’s schooling means that 'maybe he doesn’t consider terrorists the enemy.'" Seriously? man!
- Robozilla, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3It feels good to see American news channels presenting facts, especially when said facts negate the outright lies of another channel.
Maybe I'll watch CNN now (but probably not). - r81984, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Its interesting how newscasters can be fired for reporting false stories about Pres Bush, but when its about a Obama, whos a democrat, no one at fox news or any of the other outlets gets fired.
Its really shows who controls the media. - bishop, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I question those who denounce FoxNews yet have nothing to say about thinkprogress.org.
- boomboxer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1answer: fox news is the most-watched news network in america, while thinkprogress.org is a relatively little known website.
- BOOFMAN, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Fox reported what they did based on a media report from the web. This morning Fox and Friends, the morning show, issued a correction and apologized for getting some of the facts wrong,
All news media outlets make mistakes sometimes, it was CNN that showed the video of terrorist and had the caption 'where's Obama'. At least Fox cleared it up and apologized for not double checking the facts.
Since I'm not a democrat maybe someone can explain why Obama is so popular. I'm curious to hear peoples opinions of the guy. He seems on the surface to be intelligent and well spoken but the media fawning all over him is disturbing.- baxtermaddux, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3just listen to his podcast and you will understand. the man is freaking awesome
- 46and2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2He is hung.
- bigdaddyk, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4True or not, I'd rather not let him get him get anywhere near becoming commander in chief of the greatest military in the world.
- darkmule, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Whys that? Because hes Black? Because hes 'liberal?', Because of his middle name? I think we deserve a good answer to your statement. Your statement seems harsh and empty.
- Brian48216, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Because the current commander in chief is doing sucha bang up job right?
- Eastlygod, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2'Greatest Military in the World?'
Don't make me laugh.
- darkmule, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3What makes a school Islamic? Guilt by association. Indonesia is the largest Islamic populated country in the world.
My grandfather and I were discussing this earlier and it really is a petty move by all means. He was what like six or seven years old at the time? How much control over your own education do you have anyway, plus the fact the school seemed fairly diverse. Kudo's to CNN for actually looking into it and debunking it. Its pretty sick that people make attempts at low shot ***** like this.
@BOOFMAN
Obama is popular because his name is awesome! Naw, getting past that factor, he has good ideas and concepts around current policy by the Bush Administration, he is also considerably more 'liberal' (take the term with a grain of salt) than Mrs. Clinton. Clinton is a very moderate person (being she is a former republican). Obama by far is the 'liberal' in the race, and when I say liberal I really do mean it. However I have yet to see a good interview from Obama that would give me an Idea as how he would act as President, whether it would be in a bi-partition way or a partition way.
I myself am not a registered democrat, nor a republican for that matter. I do encourage you to read up on Obama, just because hes just an interesting man.- axiomata, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"What makes a school Islamic? Guilt by association. Indonesia is the largest Islamic populated country in the world. "
I didn't know all American school's were Christian, after all, the US is the largest Christian populated country in the world. Guilt by association ... great concept that is. - darkmule, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I was just making note of it from the 'fox news' point of view. Did you watch their tossing around of 'omg he was raised muslim!' They were making it guilt by association.. Don't take my words out of context. :
- stevebee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Debunking it? In what was is it debunked?
Obama DID go to Islamic school for four years. He WAS raised in an Islamic country by an Islamic step-father. Was it his fault? No.
As to what's wrong with that? Plenty. It is almost certain that he absorbed many, if not all, of the sixth century anti-women, anti-freedom beliefs that are central to Islam. - krishenn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@stevebee:
I don't think you can necessarily make that association. I received all my schooling from a Catholic institution and I am absolutely certain that I did not absorb any arcane Christian beliefs.
- axiomata, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"What makes a school Islamic? Guilt by association. Indonesia is the largest Islamic populated country in the world. "
- daxsymbiont, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6how ***** racist can the right wing be.
go back to your cave. - scbysnx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2noooo cnn thinks obama is osama remember? 2k diggs? .. maybe those people were just stupid.. yep.. they were stupid
- TheOtherGuy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Dugg for seeing actual investigative journalism on a mainstream network.
Also nice to hear an Australian accent on the journalist :) - brindon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Give the puppet Osama Hussein Barrack a chance! He has not yet begun to dance...
As GOB's puppet Franklin says, "George Bush Doesn't Care about Black Puppets" - boydemc2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0time to start lynching the F-heads from F-News. They got us into Iraq - a huge mess that has cost 100,000's lives (but only 3000 American so it doesn't matter???) - with similar propoganda. I would like to describe them as the last holdout of every bigot in the country, but unfortunately they are no hold-out, they are very strong and influence a lot of reasonable people in unreasonable ways.
- theghoul, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Fox news doesnt like black people.
(oh sorry, too soon for my modified Kanye West quote?)- stevebee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Are you insane? Fox News is a mainstream news organization. I watch it every night.
It IS fair and balanced. With a slight bend to the conservative side.
For example, Fox News is the only one that I saw that played video clips of Democrats saying, in 1998, that Saddam had WMD. Hillary, Kerry, and all the rest. All the other stations concealed it because it works against the "Bush lied" scenario.
About Fox News, how often have you watched it? Hmmm? Before making such a serious accusation?
- stevebee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Are you insane? Fox News is a mainstream news organization. I watch it every night.
- amightywind, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4CNN 'debunked' the story by insisting that unnamed sources cannot be reliable. If that were the case 2/3 of the NYT's political stories would be false and Bob Woodward would be a fraud. Barack Hussein Obama clearly attended school for 4 years in Indonesia. Indonesia is not now, nor was it 40 years ago a secular country. What can you conclude? Obama was raised a Muslim. That makes Obama an apostate if he is telling the truth about his Christian faith. That is punishable by death in much of the Muslim world. Or Obama is really a closet Muslim ready to sell us all out.
- stevebee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Of course.
It's established fact that 1) his father was Muslim, 2) his stepfather was Muslim, and 3) he went for four years to a Muslim school. In Indonesia, the largest Muslim.
Oh, and 3) that Obama wants to conceal all this.
As well he should. Many, though not all, Americans would rightly be very hesitant to vote for a Muslim president. - stevebee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1
Yup. It's one or the other.
Anyone notice that in Thailand, a Buddhist country that's had big problems with terrorist Muslims, they just had a military coup. Who's the general now in charge? A Muslim.
- stevebee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Of course.
- Cleotis, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5I just hope you libtards don't manage to get this terrorist wackjob elected.
- ateoto, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I'm just glad you have no say in the election. Or at least I'm assuming. Judging by that statement there's no way you can be 18 or older.
- amightywind, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1We're going to strip the bark of the bastard and make him run with Osama Bin Laden!
- ChewyBass, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Regardless of when and where he was raised and schooled, he will not be getting my vote.
- Overturf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@NixonRichard
You said: "...They're not using this to attack Obama . . . they're using it to attack Hillary. Just FYI..."
They are using it to attack both of them. Create a story and attribute it to the Clintons. Shift the blame there and neglect to figure out if the story is even valid, make both campaigns scramble to figure out what happened, issue denials, make both groups out to be somewhat tainted. It's Swift Boating with a twist, and anyone who is missing that is a tool.
I do not look forward to the garbage the right wing will unleash to make sure neither of them are elected. Get ready for a very nasty time, politically...shame on us for paying attention to this stuff and not recognizing it for what it is. Which is, yet more dirty tricks by the establishment to make sure the American people never get a fair shot at really understanding for what any of the candidates actually stand, or would do for our country.- stevebee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Why is it a dirty trick to tell the truth?
These things are facts. It's up to the voters to give the facts whatever importance and weight they deem necessary.
But it's not a dirty trick to get the facts out. Nor was it a dirty trick to let the American public know that there were lots of questions about how Kerry won his medals. And that Kerry was only in Viet Nam for a couple of months. And that he went there with movie cameras and had people filming him looking tough striding around with an automatic weapon. So he could use the footage years later.
Nor is it a dirty trick to let Americans know that the reason there was a flu vaccine shortage a couple of years ago is that Hilary Clinton used the power of the federal government to make it unprofitable to manufacture flu vaccines. THus, almost every company ceased production.
- stevebee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Why is it a dirty trick to tell the truth?
- Favre4Favre, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Blame it on conservatives when we all know Hillary released the story. Nice.
- Sublime059, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Hey, guess what, you are a stupid *****.
- Sublime059, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Hey, guess what, you are a stupid *****.
- nacrotek, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Funny how quick the Communist News Network (CNN) was to clear up thisstory, but when the false reports were going around about President Bushs service record they were infallible. No media bias here, move along sheeple.
- armyvet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1It's not the COMMUNIST News Network. It's the CLINTON News Network.
- strfiter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@nacrotek
How is CNN communist in any way?
Try to learn what you're talking about before you make stereotypical claims.
You use "communism" as a derogatory term or call somebody a "communist" without ever showing what makes them that. How about I just start calling you a Right-wing Honky?
- yourbrokenoven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1why the hell is this guy in the news so much? who cares if he was or is a muslim? there are FAR more radical people in office. what about exposing exactly why so many in politics are freemasons.
- Favre4Favre, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Comparing the free masons to a death cult? Your tinfoil hat needs reinforced, the ***** is still getting through.
Oh, and get out of your moms basement.
- Favre4Favre, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Comparing the free masons to a death cult? Your tinfoil hat needs reinforced, the ***** is still getting through.
- unicronband, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Barack & Roll
- AtHomeBoy2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I love how they TOTALLY slapped Fox News across the face.
"CNN did what any SERIOUS news station would do..." - krazz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0I love CNN, they are the world's only truly unbiased news. Thank the good lord Jesus Christ for blessing the wonderful and honest professional journalists of CNN, and may the Devil himself reign down a fiery storm of death and pestilence on those evil bastards at FOX News. FOX News is broadcast directly from the bowels of hell with O'reilly himself spewing nothing but vicious lies from that forked tongue of his. Paula Zahn is an angel sent from heaven with the hand of our good lord Jesus forever resting on her precious shoulder.
- Carramrod72, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Would it kill Fox and Friends to say "we don't know, lets not speculate on national TV in front of the millions of people who watch the news for 10 minutes and formulate an opinion based on that ten minutes..."
All these news stations have their flaws, BUT, you have to be blind to see that rich conservatives are the one group in this country that has the most to lose by the election of a leader who isn't a wealthy conservative....Fox news is the network of rich conservatives and the rest of the idiots who watch and actually believe that it is "fair and balanced" are fooled into thinking that it is patriotic. Terrorism and fear are used against us and we are called anti American if we see through that or don't want to live in fear of the next terror alert on Fox News..
Now if you excuse me I have to go check the color of the terror level so I can plan my day accordingly... - Depthfunction, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The throught process of Fox News reporters:
1) Obama went to school in Indonesia.
2) Indonesia is a predominately muslim nation.
3) ???
4) Madrassa!! - mdhauke, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2This is very convenient for Hillary Clinton. Plant seeds of misinformation on Obama and it automatically gets blamed on the right wing. Middle of the road Fox News didn't make up this story, it came from a source. Shrillery!
- lxdengar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Middle of the Road Fox News"? Are you on crack? That's retarded.
- faskippy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't know who the hell put this out, and neither do you. Whether it was Faux News or Hillary, they are both just as trustworthy. It is convenient as hell for both. I will steer clear of both.
- Rounin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/22/video-cnn-debunks-obama-madrassa-story/
- IronToter, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0The bottom line makes this madrassa story stupid: Obama is woefully unqualified to be President. Senators make horrible Presidents and this clown has only been a Senator for 2 years. WRT this thread, you hard-core lefties seem to ignore that it was Queen Hillary's people who dug this little gem up. Do not try to blame it on Fox News, this is another example of how nasty that woman is.
- citizenmatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Because Texas governors with no foreign policy experience make GREAT presidents. *snort*
- dundelunk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So fox news has no accountability for airing the story? Since when does Fox answer to the Clintons?
- jamessavik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hillery or Obama?
Australia or Canada? - strfiter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Personally, I hope he does win the ticket for the Democratic Party in 08. I know I support most, if not all, of his policies. I think Obama would make an excellent president, especially in comparison to current politics.
- lopla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Obama is finished, anyone who thinks otherwise does not know how the American population think. Obama is finished right now just the same as the swiftboat vets took down Kerry. Obama's water has been tainted and eventhough it's fabricated and untrue it's still tainted. He could never win now. He is a covert Muslim terrorist, a smoker, and a sex offender.
- faskippy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think that if he can show, without a doubt that his studies did NOT include radical teachings, most people will stick with him. I am weary that the different skin color will be an issue with a lot of people, though. I see a lot of support for him on the blogs, but don't think that is a true cross section. Already, the polls show him at about 24 pts. behind Hillary, at only 17%. But, who the hell knows how accurate that is, since it is in the mainstream media which we know is slanted. It will be an uphill battle for him, but I still hold out hope that he can prove his "cleanliness". Candidates in the past haven't had to "prove", just deny. This time however, it will have to be proof. Something we all require due to the past screwings we've gotten by this admin, and are finally waking up from. Good luck, Obama.
- faskippy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The other day, I read one of the linked articles on another story that said this had been debunked. While the article said the claims that he had been exposed to radical teachings were untrue, it based this on the claims being "problematic" and "unverifiable". Now, I like Obama too, but "problematic" and "unverifiable" are hardly debunking. I also don't think visiting the school is going to do a whole lot as far as getting information if they HAD been teaching with a radical slant. I mean, does anyone think they would just admit it? Unfortunately, I have learned that any politician will twist truth to appeal to the masses. That, sadly, means I don't trust Obama either. I hope that he can come up with something that will show these assholes are lying. I already suspect that this holds no water, but I want proof, not just his autobiography. Please Obama, give me something more, if at all possible.
- LaserBear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No matter what people say, Fox is crooked, and has been since the owner is George Bush's cousin. They offer tilted information. No that others dont', but they're the worst.
- rstevens, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Fox news is an embarrassment to men and women of all nations. They lack dignity, respect, and clarity of vision.
Boycott anything they produce and decide today to find ways you can uplift the human race.
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