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- yakimushi, on 10/12/2007, -23/+142Because all the neocon evangelicals want a theocracy where they get to control morality, media, and all else.
- Matt23, on 10/12/2007, -11/+110I still don't quite follow the logic that the phrase "Happy Holidays" is insulting to "Christian America." The phrase broadens the scope to be more inclusive, what exactly is wrong with that?
- matrox212, on 10/12/2007, -21/+78Conservatives, by design, always resist change. It has nothing to do with logic, they think it's bad solely because it's different from how they do it.
- daGUY, on 10/12/2007, -9/+63There is no logic to it because the whole thing is made up. No Christians I know are offended by "Happy Holidays," just like the way I'm not offended by "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Hanukkah" even though I don't follow those religions. The point of ANY of those phrases is essentially to wish someone well, which should be accepted regardless of religion. Anyone who wants to turn this into a fight like O'Reilly is is just inventing a problem where none exists.
- dagnabbit, on 10/12/2007, -8/+55Bill O'Reilly owned himself, you gotta love that. Gearing up for the holidays, are we? Bill, why do you hate America?
- Forever-Zero, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32"Mr. O'Reilly also objects, obviously, to the use of the phrase "Happy Holidays" as anti-Christian, although, for some people, there is also a -- a celebration of the New Year. So Christmas and the New Year are actually two holidays, so there is a plural, which in the English language necessitates the use of the letter "S." Now, I suppose you could say "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" but you probably have ***** to do."
-Jon Stewart - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+35@Matt23
'Incusive' is the very problem to Bill O'Reilly. Extreme conservatives (and I mean the far extreme--even other conservatives are embarassed by his antics) such as him don't want to be 'included' with everyone, they want to be held above everyone else. They don't want their traditions and holidays to be recognized with everyone else's, they want their traditions and holidays to be recognized at the expense of everyone else's.
In short, they don't want equal treatment, they want special treatment. And if you don't give it to them, they'll try to claim that you're somehow discriminating against them or even persecuting them. Thus the various cries of, "it's acceptable to mock Christians, but no one else" and, "America is fast becoming an anti-Christian country". - sbassin, on 10/12/2007, -15/+41@yakimushi
Spot on. - daGUY, on 10/12/2007, -7/+33Priceless. I'm guessing somebody else wrote what was on the teleprompter for that segment and after he read it out loud he realized that it didn't line up with what his position is supposed to be...haha.
- shawnfassett, on 10/12/2007, -13/+35What's sad is we are trying to understand crazy. Crazy is crazy...never abides by logic.
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21@matrox212:
Try not to use "conservatives" in place of "traditionalist." I'd like to thing that I'm a conservative Libertarian, but the word, "conservative" (as well as the word, "liberal") has been used in so many different generalizations, it's almost lost all of its real meaning. - vudicarus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23his brain has been infiltrated by liberal multi-cultural worms.
- ptFoe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16We should spam his email with "Happy Holidays"
- taylorhayward, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17O'Rielly is a rabble rousing idiot. Shocking.
- thefirstenemy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14O'Reily isn't an extreamist.
He even says so himself. He's fair and balanced. - hambend, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14You know where the word "holiday" comes from? Holy day. And when I get given a day off work in observance of some religious tradition, I'd call that a holiday. Is that a problem? What the ***** is this assclown talking about?
- falloutsyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15He reminds me of Lewis Prothero, you know the voice of england? From V for Vendetta.
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I call Freudian slip.
- EarlofSlander, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Prayer has no place in school, just like facts have no place in church.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10OK, I'll bite. Just what *is* O'Reilly then?
- shadus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14Why is anything this extremist says news? He's a tool just like the extremists on the other side of the fence.
- signal15, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Why do people insist that our country needs to have its own religion?
- wafflekaffe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Do these conservative nutjob brownshirts (o'lielly, hannity, limbaugh, ingrahm, etc.) need to trot out this tired issue every holiday season? Anything to stir up some hate and diversion to keep peoples attention off the really important issues: Why are we letting rich thieves rob society blind? Why can't we pay for healthcare and education at least for kids, while corporate war profiteers like defense contractors, oil companies, and Halliburton steal billions from us? Why do we put up with lazy lying politicians who are in the back pocket of corporations?
Their plan is to pit American against American while they steal us blind, and we fall for it every time. - RedStateRetard, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Another Cut-and-Runner on the War against Christmas.
Every time you say happy holidays, the baby jebus cries. - Foma, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8From the Wikipedia article for Neoconservatism:
"Because neoconservatives believe that human nature is innately selfish, they believe that a society with no commonly accepted values based on religion or ancient tradition will end up in a war of all against all."
Sounds pretty compatible with a theocracy to me. What's your point, geekee? - DrMic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Ahhh... the James T. Kirk school of TV reporting, eh?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10The man is full of *****, its as simple as that.
- matts0344, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Yep, seen the show before and you are correct.
I don't see it as bad if stores WANT to say happy Holidays, because maybe they want to be more polite and not assume you celebrate christmas. But if they want to say Merry Christmas thats fine by me too.
Believe whatever you want to belive, celebrate whatever you want to believe, let other people do the same. - benplaut, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6We don't know yet, but our scientists are hard at work trying to find out
- Ajajadude, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6He thinks saying "Happy Holidays" vs. "Merry Christmas" is immoral or some ***** like that. I used to know, but the space that knowledge took up was replaced with more important matters.
His whole "war on Christmas" thing still pisses me off, though. - Phatt138, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5CopperFalcon:
"In short, they don't want equal treatment, they want special treatment."
I totally agree, but I don't think it's just that they WANT special treatment - it's that they're USED to it.
Similarly, an unfortunately large amount of Christians believe that our government (which is far more religious than it has any right to be at the point in time) and school systems are "turning against" Christianity; what they fail to realize is that it only seems that way because our institutions have always had a heavily pro-Christian subtext.
Keep in mind that they're (largely) not trying to be dicks about it - this stuff travels by word-of-mouth, and they all hear a second-hand, exaggerated version from one another. I live in a heavily Conservative-Christian area, and hear these half-truths all the time - they may start as malicious propaganda, but in the end your average Joe C. Christian doesn't mean harm by it.
In other words - as you said - they're merely downgrading Christianity to the same status as other religions instead of putting it on an unconstitutional pedestal. What angry Christians refuse to see is that they've always had an unfair advantage in civic life...and despite the 'downgrade,' still do. - Ajajadude, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6It's hard to ignore him completely. Too many people in this country watch him religiously and soak in every word he says. Then those people interact with you and if they catch you saying "Happy Holidays," you're in trouble.
- Dakart, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Anyone whose ever been even remotely involved in broadcasting knows that that was a teleprompter error... Looks like the script just said "Holidays" and he added the Christmas and Hanukkah part on his own.
- codeguydotcom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3BO is awesome! you are all just jealous!!! That statement was totally natural and you girlymen/gals have way too much time on your hands.com
- GetDownMoses, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8I'll get dugg down for this, but do you guys really think that Bill himself believes half the things he says??? He's an entertainer first and foremost, and he knows his audience. That doesn't make him any less of a tool, but he's smarter than you guys give him credit for.
- LastVisibleDog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4The Barking Moonbats at ThinkProgress are complete loons - there is no pause. He was talking about ALL the holidays.
More innaccurate tripe from the propaganda hate-speach blog ThinkProgress - HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4and Festivus.
- OldNumber7, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I have a feeling that connection was crafted quite intentionally when they were making the film. I read the graphic novel but can't recall exactly what the Voice was like in it, probably similar though.
- jrvp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Here's the deal. Saying happy holidays is not offensive. Telling us we may not say Merry Christmas IS!!!
Just because I'm a teacher in school, or I'm a librarian in a public library, or I'm a front desk person at the DMV does not mean you can take away my free speech and shut me up by saying I'm not allowed to say Merry Christmas. That's what the War on Christmas is all about.... not the the stupid "It's those damn neocons..." tirade you see all over the place. - vaduzl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3 Happy Holidays , i always thought that was for Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years , and happens to include all other cultural holidays in the same time frame . Why would anyone be offended one phrase could pick up two months worth of Holidays? English speakers found a very handy vernacular. I never meant to deny anyone, myself I am a big US thanksgiving supporter
- Refrag, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5He's (pretending like he is) mad that people are celebrating holidays other than the one he does.
- KicktheDonkey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"Just because I'm a teacher in school, or I'm a librarian in a public library, or I'm a front desk person at the DMV does not mean you can take away my free speech and shut me up by saying I'm not allowed to say Merry Christmas."
Actually, I haven't read-seen-heard of ANYBODY telling ANYONE that they can't say 'Merry Christmas'. What I have heard is a lot of "stories" about local governments changing Christmas celebrations to Holiday celebrations, etc. And most of those stories were proven to be NOT true.
Can you point to a single, verified story where a government employee was told specifically NOT to say 'Merry Christmas'?
Otherwise, I've heard of private companies putting up signs that say 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas'. But, last time I checked, private companies had every right to do that (as well as tell their employees what to say). - Thorninyourside, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You are not alone...what happened to this once great nation? Granted, there is no other place on Earth I would rather live, but I think it's time we took back what's ours. Let's make America wonderful again...by banning television!
- Filius, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Wow. Simply enthralling, this. These intense videos really make my day.
- Palmetto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I don't mind "happy holidays" except when a person or business goes out of its way to avoid saying Merry Christmas..
I wouldn't like hearing it on Christmas Day for example..
Happy Holidays has been around for a very long time.. If it is part of a war on Christmas, this war is at least 50 years old. - shadus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Its sad when ***** news and comedy hit closer to home than the media in general.
- shadus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oh sarcasm!
- 0zzy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Who celebrates Christmas as a Christian now a days? Not most of us, shouldn't be too offensive if we wish you a happy present-giving-day under the tree that santa brought.
- shadus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I love how the extreme conservatives always blame the liberals (well and vice versa really) when in reality anyone who doesn't agree, lock, stock, and barrel with their polices is obviously a (insert name they deem derogatory here-- nazi, liberal, socialist, communist, extremist, etc) In reality, most of the people who are disagreeing are moderates in some form or another... sure some are moderates with a liberal leaning and some are moderates with a conservative leaning.
It's a lot like radical islam really... if you're not with us, you're against us.
Most people who practice islam are NOT that way... they're moderates and are more than happy to do their own thing which doesn't involve explosions, hatred, or anything else like that.
This is just an extension of the practice humans have used for centuries to alienate people who are of a different opinion.
The christians are baby eaters, the pagans are baby eaters, the liberals are baby eaters, the conservatives are baby eaters, the jews are baby eaters, the nazis are baby eaters... blah blah blah. - cchance, on 02/14/2009, -0/+1Bill's a friggin idiot i never really liked this guy i mean seriously 9 times out of 10 he doesn't know what hes talking about
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