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- Anpheus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+40Don't digg the man down, he's got a legitimate complaint. When people question your allegiance to "The President," remind them that the Constitution of the United States of America isn't impeachable in our current system of government. Remind them that the Constitution has been a set of values that has guided the United States to _increasing_ tolerance and freedom, and that it's only when the elected leaders turn their heads or abuse their power that the Constitution is abused or ignored.
You won't find the current leaders of government referring to the Constitution often: it scares the ***** out of them that it's going to outlast them and that they can do very little to stop that. It scares them that the Constitution empowers the people, and that they can do very little to stop that. It scares politicians ***** to know that, because the Constitution is the one thing that very few of them ever seem to uphold, and that's why you'll never hear a party talking point referring to life or liberty, because it's all about securing more power for them.
If we don't take control of our government, we have only ourselves to blame. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -25/+49Inaction is just another form of support, why dont you stop supporting him by acting.
Your constitution means NOTHING because YOU do not enforce it. Next time I hear some of you complain about your rights and the constitution I WONT LISTEN ANYMORE because it means NOTHING.
Its WORTHLESS - sibhod, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19I vote, but my candidate looses.
I call, but I get voicemail or interns.
I write, but I get form letters in return.
I protest, and I get gassed, tasered, or arrested.
What exactly do you suggest I do? - Libberkey, on 10/12/2007, -8/+24Bush Almighty is to blame - and he has plenty of people in his posse, including American people who think their job, politically, is to sit on the couch while their children are murdered in an immoral war, while the Constitution is trashed by one of the bastards to took an oath to uphold it, while the treasury is drained dry and loans are sought from the worst possible source to support this horrible, immoral war.
People, if this country is to be saved, you MUST get up off your "good intentions" and get those servants in Washington (the ones acting like they are your rulers) back to work supporting the Constitution, and mending their messes. - hehe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@Libberkey Voting good people into office will help, but it can't undo a ton of dammage that has already been done. We either stay the course and lose more lives--both Americans and civillioans. Or, we can pull out now and basically guarantee a civil war, some anarchy, and who knows what else. Thank you, Bush, for putting us into a lose-lose situation. (And he wonders why the war is losing some of the only support it had...)
- MrPrefect, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Your country gives you the right to bear arms for a reason.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson - DigitAl56K, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I agree, don't mod this guy down, although perhaps he could have phrased his point better and with fewer capital letters :)
I would say that inaction is not a form of support, but if an observer attempted to estimate the average citizens' valuation of the constitution today, based on the past several years of passive acceptance of Government actions, they might think that it held little value at all.
Of course, we are faced with a bizarre situation in which the people of America are subjected daily to Government propoganda that the media seems to broadcast with little objection for who knows what reason, and it has become clear through the revelations of many non-mainstream sources that we as civilians, through this propoganda, are 'set-up', mislead, and prepared to initiate wars using tactics that if we weren't living through them would sound like outlandish conspiracy theories of the most preposterous kind.
The real question is "What action could any one of us reasonably take without being branded a terrorist?". It seems to me that today, through the engineering of our environment under the guise of the 9/11 attacks, many of us are more scared of the Bush administration than of any terrorist threat we might face. - JAFFA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I dont want to sound like im defending Bush, The Republicans or American foreign policy (and im a limey in merry olde England) ... BUT ... Assuming the Democrats get in at the next election, do you really believe they will radically alter anything? Will they withdraw troops from Iraq and Afghanistan? Halt the 'War on Terror'? Personally i cant see it ... Theres too much invested now .... It has to go on. Anything less than a perceived victory will be unacceptable and will leave the US impotent politically and militarily in the eyes of the world.
This will go on for generations .... And the world will weep. - Clbck, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9How do you suggest we enforce it? We vote for people to represent us, and even if they do represent us well, it is not a garunteed win.
- chase001, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10It's not Bush's job to sell wars. That's why the Neo-cons have Fox "News", Rush Limbaugh and AM Radio.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11...Revolution...
- goodoldharris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5sibhod:
Acting as an individual isn't effective. If you're really interested in having an impact on government, you should get involved with an organization committed to the kind of political changes you want to see, and work through the organization.
Of course, it's much easier to be apathetic and not get involved. And that's why most normal people (i.e. non-megalomaniacs) do little or nothing. And that's why governments in every country all over the world are pretty much permanently run by a bunch of pricks. - sjm20k, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Does anyone else feel the Iraq folley is like a Vietnam Jr? Every time I hear "terrorist" on the news it feels equally interchangable with the "godless communists" of old, who threatened our very existance at every turn. With this we have been led into a seemingly endless war that grows less popular every day. Our troops slowly lose resolve and cannot really pin-point the exact reason for which they began fighting.
Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it, so they say. And it seems our hindsight is growing shorter and shorter. - DigitAl56K, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Since there were never any discovered that particular objective had been met before anyone set foot in Iraq.
- piznut, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7While it's not FTA, saying the republicans are increasingly against the war is not an innaccurate statement. If you assume (rough numbers) that half of the population is republican and less than a third of the population support the war (a number that has been trending downward)...well you do the math.
You've also got GOP stalwarts like Pat Buchanan and then right-wing moderates (McCain) coming out against the current administration's failed foreign policy...it all points to a trend. I don't think it's unreasonable to deduce some sort of trend here.
The bottom line is that instead of fighting a war on terror, or god forbid attempting to resolve some of the policy issues that make us a target, we are spinning our wheels in iraq and inflaming the situation. Since we invaded iraq do you think that we have a) More Friends or b) More enemies?
People are slowly but surely starting to see through the FUD around Iraq. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I highly doubt you'll get a few hundred thousand people to stand there quietly for a few hours.
I'm thinking more... nonviolent rioting, after all, Democracy in its truest form is the mob - Kajico, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Yes there are Republicans who are not just skeptical of Bush but down right distrustful of him, and there are still those blindly follow him. Unfortunatley they won't ever switch sides, and there is nothing that they can do about it because to speak out against Bush in the party is speaking out against the party, and to side with Democrats is just out of the question, since both sides have a generalised opinion of what each party represents. More and more are becoming Independant, and even then there are factions.
It'd be nice if people would stop bashing each other and form a respectable party and stop generalising people. So many people think in absolutes, and that leaves a lot of people outside, and this cycle of Red and Blue power will always go on. - webXL, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Whoa, where did this come from: "Even Republicans are increasingly skeptical about U.S. odds of success in Iraq"?
FTA: "A year since his last visit, even Utahns are increasingly skeptical about U.S. odds of success in Iraq..." "Overall, 42 percent of Utahns polled said they feel less optimistic about Iraq than one year ago."
Does Utahn = Republican? Or is this just more anti-war propaganda? - schnitzi, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8"One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed," William F. Buckley Jr. wrote in February.
Wait, wasn't the objective to rid Iraq of WMDs? Since there are none there now, the objective must've succeeded. - ASHole71, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Jaffa, there is no plan from the Democrats all they do is point out mistakes. Granted mistakes are made by everybody but without plans i do not see how they can win to much.
Also if we pull out immediately from either of the fights it will look like Somalia again which is what OBL stated showed the US as a "Paper Tiger" and kick started the plans for Sept 11th.
Though i am a conservative, it would be nice to have a choice with candidates that provide some kind of plan. - djbruker, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Bush Sr. famously said "Iraq will not be another Viet Nam".
Bush Jr. proved him wrong. - wibblewibble, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4He's right, he is one of the few people on here that hit the nail on the head, we all claim to want the truth but when we dont like what we see, we start to attack them as being Anti American. Well , sometimes the truth is ugly. Nobody likes to be told their wrong, called a liar or be suckered.
I guess we really cant handle the truth.
There are big hard questions to be asked, the mental state of the nation has hit an all time low when we start to attack people who seek the truth.
So much for "Truth, Justice and the American way".
So much for "To protect and serve" they dont seem to be protecting and servings you or I anymore. - Clbck, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Technically wouldn't Iraq need to have WMD's before we could get rid of them? That would mean we failed on that. The only way to complete it is to give them some, and then get rid of them.
- piratefish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i always find outside perspective to be 'spot on' and this is another case in point. i truly don't believe there will be any radical change if the dems win in. in fact this whole two party system has alienated many who would really like to see a government "by the people, for the people."
- wibblewibble, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4You mean the same people that get all hot and bothered when trying to protect their 2nd ammendment gun rights, but when it comes to the crunch, they are nowhere to be seen nor heard? I think of them as Armchair Americans.
- wibblewibble, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4The people who WROTE your CONSITUTION where committing HIGH TREASON but when it comes to the crunch today you dont want to be labled a "terrorist"???
Can you explain to me what the difference is? - wibblewibble, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Get everybody together outside congress, a few hundred thousand should be enough to get the message across to them and the world.
Dont do anything, just sit there. QUIETLY, dont give them more ammo. - BullyJack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What are you smokin', @stinknugget?
I wasn't even sure he was speaking English. - abqjudy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2ooops: ideas of loyal opposition and bi-partisanship. Don't think Dems in power ever treated the other party as badly as the recent admin has done.
- DocDEB, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Well stinknugget here's how it works here. In November we castrate GWB by taking away his Republican majorities in Congress. After that GWB becomes a very lame duck (look it up if you don't know what that means). During those two years the investigations start harassing GWB's administration. In two years, no matter what, GWB is gone because of the Constitution. He's not Glorious Supreme Leader for Life Doctor George Walker Bush. After that we the people have an opportunity to elect someone better. Will we do that? Well that remains to be seen but we the people will have the right courtesy of the Constitution do that. We don't need a military coup. We don't need an assassin. We don't need an armed revolution. We do need to think and to vote!
- ne0shell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Get informed for God's sake - Utah is very Republican and yes, most true conservatives are now opposed to Bush and the policies of his administration. When you pull out that "anti Bush - liberal" ***** you paint yourself into a very small corner that's getting smaller every day. Worship of Bush does not make you a Republican or a conservative - get over it.
- piratefish, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2and we've already done that once...remember?
- ne0shell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2There are times when you must vote AGAINST something rather than voting for a candidate. While I am a conservative I will be voting AGAINST the current congress and senate who have allowed our constitution and civil liberties to be subverted, who refuse to secure the borders and who allowed Bush to sign America into a North American Union. I can't say the democrats have a better plan but I can say the Republican majority in power now has a plan I cannot support. I can only hope that a loss of power for the majority and it's administration will send a message to our elected civil servants and remind them who they work for. I also hope such a loss will make it more difficult for those who are buying up politicians to do so.
- OBDriftwood, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Bush will be sending banners to the jackals of the Mainstream Media reading "Mission Accomplished".
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2and yes, I would do it myself but I think it should be an American Citizen that steps up to do this, I don't really think a Canadian leading a protest in the U.S. would be all that effective
- Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6sibhod,
When all else fails, buy ammo. - brimg87, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2The quote by Thomas Jefferson is important, but I don't think you have to take it literally. Our country holds such high values that over time we lose sight of what it is to be an American. In order to keep the power in the hands of the people you do need a "revolution" once and awhile. However, I don't think it needs to be a violent one; especially in today's "Information Age".
- chabuhi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Well, seems like the only way to move anybody to action would be if they could do it from behind the comfort of their keyboard and mouse.
Don't look for a lot of people here to go outside to participate. (Not saying everyone, but I'd be willing to bet it's quite a few who will only get involved so long as there is a convenient point-and-click interface.) - Jerichop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Whoever thought Bush was out in Iraq to make it a success?! For Bush, Iraq is already a success...he managed to steal hundreds of billions dollars from the American taxpayers and give it to his friends at the Defense department and Halliburton.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2what needs to happen is someone needs to step up and organize a specific date and location for a mass protest, aim for 1 Million+ strong, march through the streets of a major city, let everyone know that the ***** hit the fan and they need to start paying attention.
- chase001, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Terrorist=Communist=Emmanuel Goldstein. (Insert Boogie Man Here) hates you and wants you all dead. Rule by fear.
- joybran, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@ Jaffa
You're right. The Dems won't do anything different. They get the same benefits from war that Republicans get, more power and more loot to direct toward their friends. Politicians never care about the costs in lives and wealth to the people they supposedly "serve." - Koosebane, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2SELL a war?
That's the silliest concept I've ever heard...unless that is a simplistic way of putting the need to defend against the propaganda machine the terrorists use with skill.
Has the President failed to respond to the glut of antiwar propaganda that floods the airwaves and Internet? Has he failed to counteract the constant barrage of calculated morale crushing actions of the terrorists? Has he failed to counteract the intellectually dishonest argumentum ad nauseam put forward on the rather sudden and miraculous "hoodwinking" of the American Congress? Has he failed to point a finger at the Iraqi people for their embrace of the old, backward, blood thirsty ways over a move forward into the twenty first century to settle matters diplomatically via an elected government?
Absolutely.
Historically, as wars go.....this one is not as statistically horrid as anything experienced in the past. Yet, it is perceived to be a lost cause by many citizens.
I attribute that to the successful media campaign that has been waged by terrorists. I can turn on the television and find news pieces on OBL and his minions with relative ease.
"Selling" the war is not what needs to be done. Counteracting the propaganda machine of terrorists and highly visible anti-American activists is the cure for what ails the President. He is losing the war of information.
And before knees start jerking over this attempted neutral assessment of the actual problems we face in Iraq, I'll preempt it all with stating I didn't vote for the man and I am not a member of any political party.
Since I have no misplaced loyalties to cloud my judgment, I can smell skewed propaganda from any side quiet readily and I'm not afraid to point it out. - TheZorch, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2This article doesn't tell us anything more than we already know.
And that is....
Bush is an idiot! - riverrunner, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2yeah that sounds great but lets say I get my gun and want to revolt - now what? start shooting at cops, soldiers? how does that help really?
the only thing we have going for us is mass protest. take to the streets. hundreds of thousands of people. this usually gets some attention. here I even looked it up for you - saturday september 24, washington dc. Be there!
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=3091 - abqjudy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1They will probably just try to impeach the bastards, both Bush and Cheney. I am a social liberal and a fiscal conservative, currently registered as a Democrat for reasons of state party politics, not because the De ms in congress represent me very well. I would hope that they don't go through what we went through with Clinton. This is part of what started the entire destruction of the ideas of "loyal opposition" and bi-partisan efforts. The christianists were so blushing outraged at sex in the White house, that they lost their marbles. Poor ignorant of history babies had their tantrum to no avail, except that Rove then got the idea of appealing to them and sold it to Bush and here we are with Bush and cohorts. I think much of what is seen as Dem inaction is just avoidance of the kind of extremism that got us where we are today:
I don't know what they would do, but I do think they are more likely to follow the law than the current wing nuts are. I am ready to change parties if someone can show me that they have any chance at all of creating a truly centrist, moderate party that could put all the fools in their places. I fear a third party will likely just split people off from Dems and we will not be rid of the blight on our nation that way.
::Sigh:: - jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1You must be dark sided
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0MHK8ntKqk - djbruker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2What to do?
Mass citizen's arrest of Bush and Cheney.
Congress really should impeach Bush, but when Republicans have both the White House and Congress, they will definately, willingly, irresponsibly, fail to provide oversight of the executive branch.
I don't know why the FBI hasn't moved in to arrest either. I thought their personnel were chosen with a tough filter to get only extremely honest people commited to right and wrong as defined by American laws. Maybe there are laws disallowing them from arresting a sitting president, but what about Cheney and Rumsfield? - Epictetus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@hehe I think that we should not be overly worried about a civil war in Iraq. Almost every current democracy has gone through such a war in it's formative years. Civil war is a normal part of establishing a democracy. The US technically had two; the Revolution and the Civil war. France had one. The UK has had several; 'winning' some and loosing others. If you look carefully you will see that the historical pattern for democracies is establishment, civil war, peace, wash rinse repeat.
- riverrunner, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Small edit - that protest march was last sept - nowhere on the page did it say 2006 - oh well.
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